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Bug 393445 - stage3 should be the @system set and the accumulation of "packages.default"
Summary: stage3 should be the @system set and the accumulation of "packages.default"
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Release Media
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Stages (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal enhancement with 1 vote (vote)
Assignee: Gentoo Catalyst Developers
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Blocks: 398295 645024 463455 507774 563148
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Reported: 2011-12-06 20:57 UTC by SpanKY
Modified: 2024-03-03 22:03 UTC (History)
14 users (show)

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Description SpanKY gentoo-dev 2011-12-06 20:57:00 UTC
atm, everything in a stage3 tarball is based on the @system set.  there are some dependencies we'd like to pull out of the @system set, but still have in the stage3 tarball.  to that end, the proposal is to have a new "packages.default" file akin to the "" file.  it'd have the same semantics as "" in terms of profile stacking.

now a stage3 tarball would be the union of the packages listed in "packages.default" and the @system set.
Comment 1 Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2012-12-08 04:58:00 UTC
Yes yes yes. I've been saying that it's silly to drop some of the packages we do at the end of stage3 that 99% of people are going to need to build a functional system, like bison and flex. Both of these were in the system set.
Comment 2 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2013-09-15 08:22:17 UTC
Sounds like something we'd use as well.
Comment 3 Pacho Ramos gentoo-dev 2013-09-15 08:39:50 UTC
(In reply to Michał Górny from comment #2)
> Sounds like something we'd use as well.

(for including dbus, not replacing udev by systemd ebuild)
Comment 4 Rick Farina (Zero_Chaos) gentoo-dev 2013-12-31 21:43:36 UTC
I'm requesting clarity (mostly from spanky) about how packages.default is expected to work.

If at the end of the stage3 build we add in all the atoms from packages.default, do those atoms end up in the world file?

If not, they get depcleaned by users or later catalyst stages and imho that entirely defeats the purpose.

But on the other hand, it seems to mortify some devs that we wouldn't be shipping an empty world file.

please share your thoughts.
Comment 5 David Heidelberg (okias) 2014-01-28 21:04:48 UTC
Reminder. Btw., systemd-9999 +kdbus is actually already able to replace dbus.
Comment 6 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2014-04-16 19:39:51 UTC
(In reply to Rick Farina from comment #4)

seeding the initial @world seems fine.  i don't see why anyone would get upset over the default value when it's so trivial to modify.  it's really no different from existing config files.
Comment 7 Richard Freeman gentoo-dev 2014-04-16 21:06:40 UTC
This seems like fodder for -dev, but I'll bite.  I think it is a good idea.  This would allow things like openssh to be installed by default as they are today, but be removable without a lot of hoop-jumping.  Then we can save @system for true system-wide deps with circular dep issues until we have a better way for handling these.
Comment 8 Rick Farina (Zero_Chaos) gentoo-dev 2014-04-16 21:25:26 UTC
With a heavy heart... Further clarification request.

Is anyone suggesting that we make a stage4 target for catalyst and then renaming it and shipping it as a stage3? Or are we talking about modifying the current catalyst stage3 target to produce a union of packages.default and @system?

I for one am very against shipping a stage4 named stage3, that's confusing.
Comment 9 Mike Gilbert gentoo-dev 2014-07-09 16:22:06 UTC
(In reply to Rick Farina (Zero_Chaos) from comment #8)

That's certainly another way of looking at it. Maybe it would be better leave stage3 as-is, and start putting official "stage4" tarballs on the Gentoo mirrors.
Comment 10 Ulrich Müller gentoo-dev 2021-04-10 11:19:01 UTC

Is anybody working on this? It blocks removal of sys-apps/less from the system set since almost 10 years.