Looks like it is a time to create a bug to track reorg progress. I will post the proposed list (so far only 1 reject to the list of involved people) here. If there is an expected non-trivial discussion of some particular category/herd, please create a separate bug and make it blocking this one, so that we can stay organized.. Proposed herd names have sci- stripped, but I am not sure how to go about that really atm.. The preliminary split: category: #packages (proposed herd name), comment if any sci-astronomy: 11 (astronomy) morfic, phosphan, zx, ribosome, aliz, corsair, mr_bones_ sci-biology: 58 (bio?) ribosome, corsair, j4rg0n, mcummings, sediener, pbienst, apokorny, hansmi?, phosphan, lostlogic? sci-calculators: 26 (calc?) centic?, cryos, ribosome, spyderous? sci-chemistry: 50 (chem?), sci-crystallography was proposed to split off spyderous, markusle?, phosphan, marcus, hannes, ribosome?, kugelfang, agriffis, hansmi? sci-electronics: 34 (electronics?) calchan, chrb?, agriffis?, phosphan, ribosome, plasmaroo, hansmi, cryos?, gustavoz? sci-geosciences: 8 (geosci?) ribosome, spyderous, cryos, nerdboy, mholzer? sci-mathematics: 34 (math?), interest in sci-proof was mentioned, possible split in symbolic and numeric.. plasmaroo, agriffis?, mattam, cryos, ribosome?, markusle, spock, phosphan sci-misc: 19 (sci) cryos, hansmi?, phosphan, ribosome, kugelfang?, pbienst sci-visualization: 20 (??) markusle, phosphan, ribosome, cryos, kugelfang, latexer?, j4rg0n?, corsair?, spyderous Looks like we can have new categories: sci-crystallography - seems to be enough packages and maintainers sci-mathematics may be split into symbolic and numeric (anybody to really comment?). Few more categories-to-be if there is enough "material". May start as herds under -misc or something more related: sci-cad (cad?) sci-physics (physics?) sci-linguistics (??) George
A short note: It may not be worth trying to get it all done at once - this is mostly "internal stuff" and I am not going to push anybody who is not going to put 5 minutes into thinking about it. However lets at least split off the ones where there is an interest. So, the procedure could be: 1. Create a bug for the herd/new category, listing packages and involved devs. 2. Let people comment - would one week be enough 3. Create a herd or category (if there are enough packages) and adjust metadata/move stuff around.. How about this approach? The "to be" herds that have seemingly shown enough interest: crystallography, sci-math-proof, electronics ?physics? George
Ok i'll take a look at some physics related packages and start a new category for it if it's needed. I'm offering help to take care of physics packages and start a "sub-project" for physics if noone is against it.
Herds I should probably be in: chemistry, biology, crystallography, visualization, maybe physics. Not calculators or geosciences.
I would definitely like to contribute to sci-physics. Otherwise I'd like to be in chemistry, biology, and visualization since this is where my personal and professional interests are.
Been really busy as of late, so haven't contributed as much as I might have to the discussion. The marcus dev is actually me when the environment variable wasn't set for a few months... Doh! So marcus = cryos. I can see the point to splitting off the sci herd if people really are getting worried about its size and it is scaring them away. I have been very busy lately and so Gentoo has not received as much time as usual. I would definitely support a sci-physics herd and category if there were the packages. I would also like to be in it. I would join astronomy (maybe), calculators, chemistry, electronics, geosciences, mathematics, misc and visualisation. I would be in favour of shorter names, but can live with the longer ones. I think sci-crystallography would arguably work well in sci-physics, but if not I would probably join sci-crystallography too as I do work with X-ray/neutron diffraction and reflection. I think we should be a top level project though and would fully support that. Our herd testers and overlay are doing pretty well too. Hoping to catch them on IRC soon too.
(In reply to comment #5) > longer ones. I think sci-crystallography would arguably work well in > sci-physics, but if not I would probably join sci-crystallography too as I do > work with X-ray/neutron diffraction and reflection. As a protein crystallographer, I simply can't support this. =)
If there is something related to physics imo this are the packages i saw: please add any i missed /sci-misc/camfr sci-misc/lightspeed sci-misc/mpb/ sci-misc/oww ? sci-misc/xfoil sci-astronomy/maestro sci-chemistry/shelx sci-chemistry/rasmol sci-chemistry/probe/ sci-chemistry/platon sci-chemistry/ortep3 sci-chemistry/molmol sci-chemistry/moldy/ sci-chemistry/molden sci-chemistry/mead/ sci-chemistry/maid sci-chemistry/eden sci-chemistry/cns/ sci-chemistry/abinit a few sci-chemistry packages like molmol is used in both chemistry and physics (for solid state).
Herds I should be a member of: biology, chemistry, calculators and mathematics. Not astronomy, electronics or geosciences.
(In reply to comment #6) > (In reply to comment #5) > > longer ones. I think sci-crystallography would arguably work well in > > sci-physics, but if not I would probably join sci-crystallography too as I do > > work with X-ray/neutron diffraction and reflection. > > As a protein crystallographer, I simply can't support this. =) > I think crystallography should be placed as a new top-level sci-category (sci-crystallography), as it does not belong to either physics, chemistry, biology or math strictly, but all of those use and contribute to this special science.
(In reply to comment #7) > If there is something related to physics imo this are the packages i saw: > please add any i missed > sci-chemistry/shelx > sci-chemistry/rasmol > sci-chemistry/probe > sci-chemistry/platon > sci-chemistry/ortep3 > sci-chemistry/molmol > sci-chemistry/moldy > sci-chemistry/molden > sci-chemistry/mead > sci-chemistry/maid > sci-chemistry/eden > sci-chemistry/cns I will not support moving any of the above to physics, although I would support sci-crystallography for those related to it. > sci-chemistry/abinit This should probably be in a sci-physics, as well as the CAMPOS ebuilds in Bugzilla somewhere.
i understand but i use molmol and molden for studing element structures in solid state physics. This is a little difficult to organize since yes it could be on crystallography
(In reply to comment #11) > i understand but i use molmol and molden for studing element structures in > solid state physics. This is a little difficult to organize since yes it could > be on crystallography We could consider moving them to sci-visualization, but they seem good enough where they are and it's more valuable to me to retain the CVS history.
I could contribute to sci-physics, sci-astronomy, sci-libs and some dev-python packages related to science. My specialty is cosmology and high energy physics. I did some ebuilds in the scientific overlay (as bicatali), and has contributed some bugs, as a sci herd tester. By the way, doesn't the scientific overlay, which was also created for beginners to train on package maintaining, overlap with the mentoring process?
Sebastian please add yourself to bug 138711 so we can discuss a bit.
As Sebastien, I'm a herd tester. I would like to contribute to sci-electronics and sci-mathematics mainly, and to sci-visualization and sci-physics in a smaller amount. Thanks, Lucas Chiesa (tulku)
Everyone that want's to be on sci-mathematics herd please join bug 139682. For Herd Testers after get this reorg done we will start working again for induvidual herds. Since sci-physics is done, feel free to send me an email or talk with me on #gentoo-science so i can add you to sci-physics alias and start working again. Thanks
It's time to create sci-mathematics sub project. Should we take sci-calculators packages too ? Everyone interested please add yourself to bug 139682 and start discuss about the new sub project.
I'm kinda wondering whether the blas and lapack stuff deserves its own herd. blas-reference lapack-reference cblas-reference blas-atlas lapack-atlas acml mkl eselect-blas eselect-lapack eselect-cblas lapack-config blas-config (both *-config dead soon)
I'd say put them in sci-mathematics, or keep sci-libs.
How about a sci-numerics, or rather a math-numerics, since math-proof is on its way. With crunching-number and numerical analysis packages: sci-libs/acml sci-libs/blas-atlas sci-libs/blas-reference sci-libs/cblas-reference sci-libs/cln sci-libs/djbfft sci-libs/fftw sci-libs/gsl sci-libs/lapack-atlas sci-libs/lapack-reference sci-libs/mkl sci-libs/scipy sci-mathematics/glpk sci-mathematics/octave sci-mathematics/scilab From the gentooscience overlay: sci-libs/arpack sci-libs/minuit sci-libs/umfpack And other that I certainly forget.
Very much outdated and forgotten.
