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Bug 84617 - Idea to Manage Meta Package --pretend Listing Mess
Summary: Idea to Manage Meta Package --pretend Listing Mess
Alias: None
Product: Portage Development
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Enhancement/Feature Requests (show other bugs)
Hardware: All All
: High enhancement (vote)
Assignee: Portage team
Depends on:
Reported: 2005-03-09 04:15 UTC by illuminata
Modified: 2007-01-11 03:52 UTC (History)
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Description illuminata 2005-03-09 04:15:32 UTC
Well, I'm a supporter of the monolithic ebuild method for KDE myself because it keeps --pretend so clean. Not to mention it makes unmasking masked packages much easier when wanting a full KDE installation. So when I found out that Gentoo wouldn't be offering monolithic ebuilds for KDE 4.0, I found myself upset with the decision (don't mind providing meta or individual ebuilds for those who want them, though). However, I did think of a way to make looking through a potential slew of ebuilds a bit easier, and it involves some changes to emerge. This might just make things easier for those both currently using or those soon to be forced using meta packages alike.

Start Idea

1. When an ebuild has -meta at the end and that ebuild is called upon directly (emerge --pretend kde-meta), all packages would be listed as normal. However, when packages covered under the meta ebuild are called upon indirectly (emerge --pretend world), the output wouldn't show all of the packages, but instead just a listing for the meta ebuild with a number off to the side denoting how many packages will be handled.

For example, output would look like "portage-path/package-meta (100)" instead of rattling off every single package that would be taken care of.

2. Then, a flag could be created to expand the contents of what's covered under the meta package, something like --metaexpand or whatever cool name you want to give it. Applying that alongside a --pretend would then show the contents of the affected listing(s). Might want to add a little disclaimer that emerge kde-meta shouldn't be re-emerged if all you're wanting to do is upgrade/downgrade/etc those particular packages.

End Idea

So, there you have it. So now, a user can have their emerge --pretend world (or similar) output look quite a bit cleaner. If they feel like looking at what's gonna happen to packages under a meta ebuild, then all they have to do is emerge --pretend that-meta.

If it works for ya, cool. If not, I was tired when I wrote it. Just trying to think of some way to not have a mess to look at and thought that there might be something to this. At the very least, I hope it gets you devs talking about the subject of --pretend listing cleaning.
Comment 1 Brian Harring (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-03-09 04:18:01 UTC
Check the dev ml for metapkg glep spb proposed, it would (basically) do this automatically without adding a special case '-meta' detection.
Comment 2 Jason Stubbs (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-16 08:30:06 UTC
I don't really like special casing this at all, if it were to be done. Perhaps 
only list packages specified on the command line or those comprising a target 
if a target is specified? 
Comment 3 Zac Medico gentoo-dev 2005-10-16 14:24:23 UTC
I don't like a special case for this either.  Perhaps it could be implemented as
an alternative display option (akin to --tree) the summarizes dependencies
rather than listing them all verbosely.
Comment 4 illuminata 2005-10-16 17:12:54 UTC
I guess I assumed at the time that you guys were gonna slap -meta at the end of
all meta ebuilds. I agree that there probably shouldn't be special casing in
this sense now that stuff like xorg 7.0 is going to be modular, etc.

So, here's another idea. I agree with comment #2. Comment #3 sounds like my
suggestion of a new option from comment #1, but in reverse (assuming that I
understand it correctly). I'd still prefer that expansion of a meta listing be
done manually instead of making a summary manual since keeping things tidy from
the start and then having the option to see more seems nicer than having to look
at an expanded list no matter what.

I also don't know whether there should be a new option for expanding a meta
list, or if emerge should list all of the packages under a meta by just using

Also, for another idea, an ebuild could be considered meta by indicating that it
is indeed a meta within the ebuild itself. That way, you'd eliminate having to
append -meta to each meta ebuild while still being able to implement some of the
ideas in comment #1. You could also have [ebuild M] indicate that you're dealing
with a meta package.
Comment 5 Marius Mauch (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2007-01-11 03:52:53 UTC
I'd say to revisit this when we have general support for depgraph output plugins.