On todays updates, I have found that depclean wants to remove the whole Plasma Telepathy. I thought this is part of kdenetwork, but I had no clue why it doesn't pull it anymore. Only after examining the ebuild source, I have found that this dependency is controlled by the "webengine" use flag, not something like "ktp" or "telepathy" that I would expect ... Now this is totally counterintuitive, the point of the USE flags is to define which functionality the user wants and then the ebuild pulls the required dependencies and not the vice versa, that the user would say which dependency to use and then the ebuild would provide, maybe, the wanted functionality. Plus this creates mess in the use flags as "webengine" is used by many packages[*], so the user has to define it per-package instead of globally, as enabling it because of Telepathy would lead to pulling in some totally unrelated things like some Nextcloud integration ... [*] Many of them probably candidates for the same kind of change as I am proposing here ... Reproducible: Always
"Yes, but": People want easy global switches for dev-qt/qtwebengine revdeps, and Plasma Telepathy fundamentally is one. This flag was used since 2020, and now its default changed to reflect the fundamentally unmaintained and "broken by default" state it is even according to upstream.
An alternative I have thought about is moving plasma-telepathy-meta out of kdenetwork, into kde-apps-meta, hidden behind a new default disabled IUSE=telepathy flag. In addition, I will likely exclude it from future KDE Gear version bumps.
(In reply to Andreas Sturmlechner from comment #1) > "Yes, but": People want easy global switches for dev-qt/qtwebengine revdeps, > and Plasma Telepathy fundamentally is one. This flag was used since 2020, > and now its default changed to reflect the fundamentally unmaintained and > "broken by default" state it is even according to upstream. Agreed. In principle, I like using USE flags for features, but people want a way to disable qtwebengine easily.
The bug has been referenced in the following commit(s): https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/kde.git/commit/?id=1613a8504d2ccaff9df3916b07ef8988b9353f92 commit 1613a8504d2ccaff9df3916b07ef8988b9353f92 Author: Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> AuthorDate: 2022-07-21 10:10:30 +0000 Commit: Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> CommitDate: 2022-07-21 10:19:30 +0000 kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta: Update IUSE webengine, re-add IUSE telepathy - Switch back IUSE webengine->telepathy - With the flag by default disabled we can allow it to diverge from our IUSE=webengine revdep "rule", similar to kde-apps-meta[pim]. - Also, stop enforcing a minimum ${PV} for plasma-telepathy-meta in anticipation of us stopping to package future zombie releases of it altogether. - Move kde-misc/kio-gdrive behind IUSE +webengine Due to the package dropping its IUSE=kaccounts option we can now move it behind the established anti-qtwebengine flag. Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/782505 Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/859544 Signed-off-by: Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta/kdenetwork-meta-22.07.80.ebuild | 6 +++--- kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta/kdenetwork-meta-22.08.49.9999.ebuild | 6 +++--- kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta/kdenetwork-meta-9999.ebuild | 6 +++--- kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta/metadata.xml | 3 ++- 4 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
The bug has been closed via the following commit(s): https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=1c7d07f251d178f8eb288843ef69437732f1cb30 commit 1c7d07f251d178f8eb288843ef69437732f1cb30 Author: Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> AuthorDate: 2022-07-21 10:10:30 +0000 Commit: Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> CommitDate: 2022-07-21 10:34:32 +0000 kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta: Update IUSE webengine, re-add IUSE telepathy - Switch back IUSE webengine->telepathy - With the flag by default disabled we can allow it to diverge from our IUSE=webengine revdep "rule", similar to kde-apps-meta[pim]. - Also, stop enforcing a minimum ${PV} for plasma-telepathy-meta in anticipation of us stopping to package future zombie releases of it altogether. - Move kde-misc/kio-gdrive behind IUSE +webengine Due to the package dropping its IUSE=kaccounts option we can now move it behind the established anti-qtwebengine flag. Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/782505 Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/859544 Signed-off-by: Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> ...ork-meta-22.04.3-r1.ebuild => kdenetwork-meta-22.04.3-r2.ebuild} | 6 +++--- kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta/metadata.xml | 3 ++- 2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
well, I don't get the "disable qtwebengine easily" part ... the fact that various things are provided by a single package doesn't mean that I'd want to disable/enable all those things (often very distinct) at once - and if I want to get rid of that package, it is easy to spot which thing pulls it, rather than the reverse, to figure out what things across many packages are controlled by that single package (ok, depending on how well the use flag is documented when I issue euse -i ...) anyways, thanks for fixing yeah, ktp "doesn't seem any deader than usual to me" :-)
