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Bug 8072 - 1.4 install guide claims stage 3 has kernel sources and portage tree
Summary: 1.4 install guide claims stage 3 has kernel sources and portage tree
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: [OLD] Docs-user
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Gentoo Linux x86 Installation Guide (show other bugs)
Hardware: x86 Linux
: High minor (vote)
Assignee: Docs Team
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Keywords:
: 8805 8874 12696 (view as bug list)
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2002-09-18 13:08 UTC by Robert Coie (RETIRED)
Modified: 2003-02-04 19:42 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Description Robert Coie (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-09-18 13:08:05 UTC
Some forum users have been confused by the fact that the install guide is
claiming that stage 3 tarballs include a portage tree and a set of kernel
sources, completely avoiding the need for network access during this part of the
installation.  If the intention is to in fact include these things as part of
the stage 3 tarballs in the final 1.4 release, please ignore this bug. 
Otherwise, the install guide should be changed to reflect current reality.
Comment 1 John Davis (zhen) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-10-06 22:05:19 UTC
Spanky, 
Does 1.4 do this?

//ZhEN
Comment 2 John Davis (zhen) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-10-07 23:05:14 UTC

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 8874 ***
Comment 3 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2002-10-08 10:01:36 UTC
i think since the 1.4 isnt final yet, somethings are still not final ;) 
Comment 4 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2002-10-08 10:01:56 UTC
*** Bug 8874 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 5 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2002-10-08 10:01:57 UTC
*** Bug 8805 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 6 John Davis (zhen) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-10-08 13:34:53 UTC
Is this really a doc issue then?

//ZhEN
Comment 7 Ulf Bartelt (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-10-09 09:12:40 UTC
We had a chat on #gentoo-release (before building 1.4_rc1) and consensus(?) was:

 * there are different kernels

 * there are different sysloggers

 * there are different crondaemons

and one of the central points of gentoo is: the user decides...

Including one of these things would be drawing a decission, the user shall make
for himself...

Maybe this info didn't find it's way to the doc-team?

Technically it is adding 2 or 3 lines to the build scripts to include this stuff
again...

...but i prefer what the docs say: "When emerge system completes, you'll have a
stage3 Gentoo Linux system."

This *is* before installing kernel, syslogger and crond...

I didn't check the docs line by line...

Maybe there are contradictive statements in other places...
Comment 8 John Davis (zhen) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-10-13 12:17:31 UTC
Nope, there are no contradictive statements. I just went through build.xml and
cleaned up the entire document, and I did not see any mention of this bug.

//ZhEN
Comment 9 Jeff Kowing 2002-10-15 09:04:30 UTC
From what I can see in the CVS repo, build.xml, rev 1.35 still needs the
following sentence removed from the document:

The stage3 image now also includes complete linux sources and a Portage tree
snapshot, eliminating the need to do an <c>emerge sync</c> later, but it is
highly recommended to do so anyway. </p>
Comment 10 Jeff Kowing 2002-10-15 09:07:36 UTC
Looking at build.xml, rev 1.35, I believe the following sentence still
needs to be removed:

The stage3 image now also includes complete linux sources and a Portage tree
snapshot, eliminating the need to do an <c>emerge sync</c> later, but it is
highly recommended to do so anyway. </p>
Comment 11 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2002-10-15 18:40:11 UTC
i suggest we dont touch it till 1.4 final comes out ;) 
Comment 12 John Davis (zhen) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-10-15 20:46:26 UTC
Why?
If this is an issue, it should be fixed now. I am assuming that the setup of 
the stages is not going to change, so why wait?

//ZhEN
Comment 13 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2002-12-26 08:01:47 UTC
drobbins: can you comment on which this should be ?
stuff included or not ?
Comment 14 SpanKY gentoo-dev 2002-12-26 08:02:08 UTC
*** Bug 12696 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 15 John Davis (zhen) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2002-12-26 23:45:16 UTC
I have revamped the docs once again, and unless I am mistaken, all references to
the fact that the stage3 is a "fully complete" system have been removed. The
guide has been reorganized so that the user is instructed to do an 'emerge sync'
before they do anything with stage installs. It is quite apparent that network
access is required.

Cheers,
//ZhEN