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Bug 700110 - Bugzilla harrassment from matsaman@gmx.com
Summary: Bugzilla harrassment from matsaman@gmx.com
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Community Relations
Classification: Unclassified
Component: User Relations (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal normal (vote)
Assignee: Gentoo Community Relations Team
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Reported: 2019-11-14 18:53 UTC by Matt Turner
Modified: 2019-12-10 14:24 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2019-11-14 18:53:41 UTC
https://bugs.gentoo.org/682384#c12

I'd like to request a temporary ban from bugzilla for matsaman@gmx.com for his abusive behavior in bug 682384.

I don't have any clue why this particular bug has set him off, but the insinuation that I've done something wrong and the accusation that I've not participated in discussions or whatever is unacceptable, especially from a user that I've never seen before and has only a minimal presence on bugzilla (6 bugs commented/cc'd as far as I can tell).
Comment 1 matsaman 2019-11-22 19:22:02 UTC
I'd like to request that this childish request of Turner's be largely ignored.

The assertions I made are either:
 - not-discourteous opinion ("an incredibly poor action"), to which Turner replied to with "/ignore", or
 - verifiable & corroborated:
    - "a package almost every desktop user utilizes"
    - "one person who uses '-*'"
    - "thinks every flag with the same name will do the same thing"
    - "ignored all the other developers who commented on this bug" Two other developers (amounting to all the developers who participated in the bug discussion) were demonstrably generally against the bug's request

Referring to a change that was made against the discussion all developers made in the bug as "an incredibly poor action" and which is verifiably problematic for the reasons stated is not harrassment.

Replying not-discourteously to someone who replied to me (with "/ignore") is not harrassment.

...and if you actually want to bring this down to a pointless who's-used-Gentoo-longer contest, you will be disappointed.
Comment 2 Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2019-11-22 20:13:19 UTC
(In reply to matsaman from comment #1)
> I'd like to request that this childish request of Turner's be largely
> ignored.
> 
> The assertions I made are either:
>  - not-discourteous opinion ("an incredibly poor action"), to which Turner
> replied to with "/ignore", or

That's obviously discourteous, especially since you have never stated what problem you think exists.

>  - verifiable & corroborated:
>     - "a package almost every desktop user utilizes"

True, but irrelevant.

>     - "one person who uses '-*'"

True, but irrelevant.

>     - "thinks every flag with the same name will do the same thing"

Those are your words. I don't think that's otherwise accurate.

People hate IUSE=minimal for what it's worth.

>     - "ignored all the other developers who commented on this bug" Two other
> developers (amounting to all the developers who participated in the bug
> discussion) were demonstrably generally against the bug's request

What the fuck are you talking about?

Leio said "I think it makes sense to move the USE flag to some other name (such as twm)"

Jer asked a question.

You're just making shit up.
 
> Referring to a change that was made against the discussion all developers
> made in the bug as "an incredibly poor action" and which is verifiably
> problematic for the reasons stated is not harrassment.

What's the opposite of "QED"?

> Replying not-discourteously to someone who replied to me (with "/ignore") is
> not harrassment.

Your comment in 682384#c14 is again discourteous and factually false, as I stated above.

Worse, is 682384#c14. I mean, really, who are you to tell me to participate in a discussion? Are you kidding? Have you looked at bugzilla? Have you looked at git? Have you looked upstream?

> ...and if you actually want to bring this down to a pointless
> who's-used-Gentoo-longer contest, you will be disappointed.

I don't bring up your bugzilla activity or lack thereof as a who's-used-Gentoo-longer contest but to indicate that there's no history between us and there's nothing to indicate that you have some obvious reason to drop into a bug six months after it was closed to tell me that my contribution was an "incredibly poor action". I bring it up to point out the absurdity of a dude that I can find virtually no trace of telling me that I should participate in a discussion for a change.

Seriously, what gives? What problem did I cause you?
Comment 3 Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2019-11-22 20:14:24 UTC
(In reply to Matt Turner from comment #2)
> Worse, is 682384#c14.

Meant 682384#c16 here.
Comment 4 Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2019-11-22 20:19:27 UTC
Last bugzilla activity before starting this was 2017-05-16 19:56:17, FWIW.
Comment 5 matsaman 2019-11-23 00:38:23 UTC
FYI I read some of what has been posted above, and will not be attempting any additional participation at this bug.
Comment 6 Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2019-11-23 01:39:44 UTC
(In reply to matsaman from comment #5)
> FYI I read some of what has been posted above, and will not be attempting
> any additional participation at this bug.

Fine with me, if you'll answer

> What problem did I cause you?

Because I must have caused some problem I did not foresee and still do not understand for you to go to the trouble to find the bug six months later.
Comment 7 Mikle Kolyada (RETIRED) archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-12-10 14:24:45 UTC
The Community Relations team has evaluated the complaint and not found
sufficient evidence to issue a temporary bugzilla ban for
<matsaman@gmx.com>.

It was agreed upon that both parties could have handled their
communication issues in a more polite and productive way.
The Community Relations team issues a formal warning to
<matsaman@gmx.com> for confrontational behaviour as demonstrated in the bug #682384.

The Community Relations team also reminds all the involved parties that
Gentoo is a community in the first place and disagreements naturally
happen, but communication must remain professional.