Ok, I hate to do this, but really this is going too far. Jory won't lay off the personal attacks. His latest on gentoo-dev: From: "Jory A. Pratt" <anarchy@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:09:22 -0500 > After reading this thread I can see this is just another one of ciaran's > b.s games that Stephen happens to back. My question is just how far up > ciaran's ass does stephen go. I am begining to think we will never get > to the end if ciaran and his bullshit around gentoo, nor will we ever > get rid of stephen's bullshit around gentoo. But the project continues > to allow such non-sence and wonders why devs are still walking away. He's taking a technical thread and (assuming I'm not misunderstanding what he's trying to say here) turning it into a personal turd flinging match. Such posts contribute nothing and are a serious inconvenience for all involved. This isn't the first time either. In bug #114944 comment #90, for example, he calls me "the prick". I didn't make too much of an issue of it at the time because I didn't want to distract from other matters, but it's rather indicative of an ongoing behaviour problem. There are other issues too -- the repeated publicity stunt resignations, for example, and the incoherent messages being sent to end users -- but those are less personal and more just making Gentoo look bad. I'd be happy to speak to Jory if someone can find a translator. Unfortunately I have a hard time understanding him, and I fear that without assistance I might end up misinterpreting his words.
Seconded. I was less than impressed by the latest unprovoked outburst on gentoo-dev, and this is just the latest in a long string of incidents.
(In reply to comment #1) > Seconded. I was less than impressed by the latest unprovoked outburst on > gentoo-dev, and this is just the latest in a long string of incidents. > Show your incidents, do not just state your complaint. Hell be a man for once and stand on your own two feet, OOPS did I just say that more for ya to use to allow great devs to be fooled by your work that ciaranm has done for ya!!!!
how exactly do you think your last comment does anything but back up Ciaran's claims ?
By the way here are a few snips of devs that agree with me: <tsunam> thank you. Ref. cpu-flag thread on -dev mailing list <Anarchy> hehe <Anarchy> I can not stand either of the idiots <Anarchy> one so far up others ass I do not know were one ends and other begins <tsunam> spb has annoyed me starting with the addition of the package manager and trying to force changes to portage that way <tsunam> and it hasn't stopped since then <Anarchy> yup that is why devs keep leaving the project <tsunam> that's part of it <tsunam> part of it is also probably burning out (as I'm doing slowly <Flameeyes> Anarchy++ <Anarchy> Flameeyes, huh? <Flameeyes> Anarchy, g-dev <Anarchy> oh <Anarchy> hehe <Anarchy> just call it like I see it <Flameeyes> that said sounds something nasty <Anarchy> shit I am seriuous spb is so far up ciaranm's ass I do not know where he begins and ciaranm ends --> squinky86 (n=jon@gentoo/developer/squinky86) has joined #gentoo-amd64-dev --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to squinky86 <-- hd_brummy has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <-- hparker has quit ("bbiaf") <Anarchy> Flameeyes, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139495 <Flameeyes> Anarchy, should have expected that, i would say just ignore them, but that's just my approach lately toward him <Anarchy> I am not worried about it <Anarchy> fuck it I stated the truth if people do not like it tough shit <lu_zero> hm <lu_zero> Anarchy I raised similar points <lu_zero> and I don't think I'm an extension of ciaranm or spb <Flameeyes> lu_zero, it's not just this time <Anarchy> lu_zero, I have had it with there bullshit on -dev ml period. Everytime one of them disagrees with a dev both try and gang up and hold shit down <Flameeyes> i have my own share of reasons to agree with Anarchy (although i usually just leave them be), i don't really like going digging them up but you can always ask me, and i will The problem truely lies in how you all have bashed devs around for so long most of them refuse to stand up to either of ya.
Wow, talk about jumping overboard here. And its a shock..a shock I tell you to see ciaran file a bug and spb be the first to respond. I will publicly state that there is a "click", a "inner sanctum", that appears to be a few developers who go along with whatever he says. That's some loyalty there, or as some would say blind loyalty. As well, ciaran, you know VERY well the proper procedures for going about this kind of a situation as you were a developer and chose to go directly to filing a devrel bug. That's exactly like going from another student punching you, straight to the president of the united states...this really should be laughed out for that fact. Quite frankly by avoiding the proper way to go about it, you seem to just be wanting to cause a sensation to get attention...positive or negative. The up the ass might have been out of line, however its not a repeat of the swamp incident at least. Shall I expect a devrel bug for myself for this reply as well, because its not liked by the members of that clic? Seriously though. Lets just be adults...get over ourselves (IE screw all your ego's and toss them out the window) so that we can actually do what we all want to do here. For those of you who are wondering what that is....develop, maintain, and build the best damn distro of linux that has come out of a project that doesn't have a financial backer to it. P.S There's lots of sarcasm in here...please find it.
> As well, ciaran, you know VERY well the proper procedures for going about this > kind of a situation as you were a developer and chose to go directly to filing > a devrel bug. Well yes, for reasons I explained in the original bug. Speaking to Anarchy myself has never gotten me anything except incoherent abuse.
no need to restrict it let the users voice there opinions.
I really don't know what is going on with this fellow. I have worked with him only recently with the seamonkey / mozilla transition. He seemed a bit agitated at times, but probably understandable given the stress probably involved with that. Then tonight, I had an intersting encounter in #gentoo-moz: * onemeanasshole (n=pisspot@tx-76-1-76-132.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #gentoo-moz <onemeanasshole> anyone know where I can find anarchy <nichoj> onemeanasshole, he left half an hour or so ago <onemeanasshole> damn <onemeanasshole> anyone in here know about seamonkey and xulrunner <nichoj> depends on what exactly you're wanting to know... <nichoj> I don't know much about it, admittadly <onemeanasshole> I was wanting to know when xulrunner will be unmasked so I can start testing firefox builds against it <nichoj> he had said something about having xulrunner sitting there... but kinda disappeared :-/ <onemeanasshole> what is he in an uproar about? Or was he just going to bed <nichoj> your guess is as good as mine * onemeanasshole is now known as Anarchy <Anarchy> nichoj: thanks for the java breakage <nichoj> Anarchy, what? <nichoj> what's your problem man? <Anarchy> you left no room for blackdown is my problem <nichoj> what...? <nichoj> what about blackdown? <Anarchy> umm other then fact is can not even fullfil the virtual/jdk-1.4 oh nothing <nichoj> Anarchy, what's with the attitude? if there's a problem, I want ot get it fixed <Anarchy> no worry I am not sticking around time for me to move along to sorcerer <nichoj> if it's not a worry, then why bother throwing it in my face? <Anarchy> what it means when I say "no worry" is I do not sweat it I am leaving gentoo once and for all <Anarchy> I have had it with all the bullshit changes that do nothing but cause more headache then they fix <Anarchy> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139495 <Anarchy> you can file your complaints about me on that bug report as well :) I also did a whois to make sure it wasn't someone trying to give him a bad name: * [Anarchy] (n=pisspot@gentoo/developer/Anarchy): Budda * [Anarchy] #gentoo-moz * [Anarchy] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ * [Anarchy] is identified to services * [Anarchy] idle 00:01:05, signon: Thu Jul 6 21:05:19 * [Anarchy] End of WHOIS list. As to why he might out of his way to be like this, and go as far as to point me where to file a complaint... is totally beyond my understanding,
21:50 -!- Irssi: Starting query in FreeNode with hparker 21:50 <hparker> Are you trying to get kicked? If not, why so abrasive? 21:50 <Anarchy> As I said kick me ban me makes no difference 21:51 <hparker> I have an idea what the "punishment" is going to be is why I wanted you to call.... 21:51 <Anarchy> I know what punishment is gonna be LOL 21:51 <Anarchy> I am gonna ensure it before the night is out 21:51 <hparker> ..... 21:52 <hparker> No need to burn bridges, is there? 21:52 <Anarchy> they have all been burned 21:55 <hparker> Hrrmmm 22:02 <Anarchy> have fun with your gentoo ventures 22:04 <hparker> Hate to see you go, but i'm not going to try an dsmooth it over this time 22:05 <Anarchy> is no smoothing nothing over you all the users are the ones I am leaving with noone to maintain such largely used packages 22:05 <Anarchy> derel has fucked me for the last damn time 22:05 <hparker> How did devrel fuck you? 22:05 <Anarchy> how has devrel not fucked me? Now that is the appropriate question 22:06 <hparker> Nothing has been decided 22:07 <hparker> Man, you offended the biggest offender ever... he filed a bug... And that was brought out in the bug 22:18 <Anarchy> no I exposed the truth and that is what was brought out 22:18 <Anarchy> but no worries you can have them close all my shit out as I said I do not worry about devrel or gentoo anymore ... 22:22 <hparker> k As I just told homer close my accounts I have had it with the stress, I have had it with everyone wanting to do what they want when they know shit has to be done for security, I have had it with wine ass wanna be devs who could not hack it then and could not hack it now. So to put it blunt KISS MY FUCKING ASS ALL YOU IDIOTS.
ok, I have no idea what's going on here, Jory, are you drunk? I've had infra suspend cvs access until the wierd stuff that's going on is resolved. I've also removed ops from #gentoo-amd64{,-dev} as he(or someone masquerading as him) was abusing that privilage by trying to ban and then threaten another person. Anarchy, instead of going insane, why don't you try talking to me.
also, don't close this bug.
seems either gothgirls mouth just got extra foul or anarchy is using her account as well. gothgirl is banned from amd64 channels until this is resolved.
about 2245 CDT from #gentoo-amd64 <Gothgirl> see homer is such a pussy he has to msg my wife cause he cant answer me like a little bitch that he is
I've had irc ops removed from anarchys account pending further investigation. he has attacked another dev and his family, who wishes to remain silent for now.
Both services accounts were flagged with 'NoChanOps' - neither the master nick, nor any nick linked to the account can get Ops until the flag is removed. Unfortunately there's no way to selectively flag for #gentoo-* channels, so this restriction applies to all channels on freenode. If/when he officially leaves Gentoo /or/ is booted out/suspended /or/ all this is resolved; please see me directly - don't put this through a staffer who doesn't know the background.
Hmmmm... 1/ Anarchy is seriously overworked and needs a break; and - beer++ but don't use mail/IRC when you are pissed off and those 10+ beers didn't help you to chill out :) 2/ There's been a bunch of not-so-well-thought-out security-related stabilization/masking bugs (the mozilla stuff for sure (Bug 137665), libpng comes to mind next (Bug 138433 and the related crap) - doesn't contribute either if one is burnt-out. 3/ Wrt comment #8, yes there's something weird w/ the new virtual/{jdk,jre} transition (most likely portage-related) - I've seen complaints in forums.g.o. (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-477767-highlight-.html) and Flameeyes noted that on #-dev as well. 4/ @ciaranm - well, you managed to turn the mailing list thread into a pissing contest yet again, if you have personal issues w/ Flameeyes, please take if off-the-list. You cannot see it but the style of your replies and your argumentation are really like pouring gasoline into fire sometimes... 5/ Well, since Anarchy seems to be really retired (Bug 81956) now (or not?) and Ciaran is not a dev anymore, this looks more like userrel@g.o. business to me. :) Shrug... And, who's gonna maintain all the mozilla stuff now? Was this really needed? :X
(In reply to comment #16) > 2/ There's been a bunch of not-so-well-thought-out security-related > stabilization/masking bugs (the mozilla stuff for sure (Bug 137665), libpng > comes to mind next (Bug 138433 and the related crap) - doesn't contribute > either if one is burnt-out. Yeah, Mozilla security is a lot of hard work and isn't fun. > 4/ @ciaranm - well, you managed to turn the mailing list thread into a pissing > contest yet again, if you have personal issues w/ Flameeyes, please take if > off-the-list. You cannot see it but the style of your replies and your > argumentation are really like pouring gasoline into fire sometimes... Seconded. > 5/ Well, since Anarchy seems to be really retired (Bug 81956) now (or not?) and > Ciaran is not a dev anymore, this looks more like userrel@g.o. business to me. > :) Ehh, according to Bug 81956 "Jory reconsidered"; but in this bug he's saying he wants his accounts shut down (Comment #9). My personal recommendation right now is "lay off the crack pipe and get a holiday" but he seems to have flipped his lid a bit too far for that to help right now judging from the IRC logs...
Devrel leads (Jon Portnoy and myself) have decided to retire Jory based on the rampant behaviour displayed in this bug, irclogs and previous complaints. There's just no way we can accept behaviour like that in a community based project and I don't believe there's any way Jory could regain the trust we once had in him not to attack fellow devs or users. A large part of devrel has also expressed that they think retiring anarchy is the best considering everything documented in this bug and otherwise. This note will be sent to gentoo-core immediately.
Infra, please retire anarchy based on the devrel decision.
(In reply to comment #19) > Infra, please retire anarchy based on the devrel decision. Done
forums/planet cleanup please
He's not on planet is he?
(In reply to comment #21) > forums/planet cleanup please > Retired on forums.
geekypenguin@gmail.com banned for abusive language http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137665#c43
(In reply to comment #18) > Devrel leads (Jon Portnoy and myself) have decided to retire Jory based on the > rampant behaviour displayed in this bug, irclogs and previous complaints. > > There's just no way we can accept behaviour like that in a community based > project and I don't believe there's any way Jory could regain the trust we once > had in him not to attack fellow devs or users. > > A large part of devrel has also expressed that they think retiring anarchy is > the best considering everything documented in this bug and otherwise. > > This note will be sent to gentoo-core immediately. > I'm not sure you have that authority. It looks to me like this is a complaint and he should have benefit of procedure. We can suspend him, I suppose, but as part of the complaint resolution group, I do not care to be bypassed.
Ferris, I appreciate that you're trying to give jory fair hearing. However, based on Jory's actions: 1. He quit, apparently disgusted 2. After Homer coaxed him back, he simply became antagonistic The conclusion that most people came to was that Jory did not care to return. Obviously if he does, then it;'s a separate issue, but it does not seem that way to me. Better off for both parties (Gentoo and Jory), if you ask me.
(In reply to comment #26) > Ferris, I appreciate that you're trying to give jory fair hearing. However, > based on Jory's actions: > > 1. He quit, apparently disgusted > 2. After Homer coaxed him back, he simply became antagonistic > > The conclusion that most people came to was that Jory did not care to return. > Obviously if he does, then it;'s a separate issue, but it does not seem that > way to me. > > Better off for both parties (Gentoo and Jory), if you ask me. > That's fair. I think my discomfort is because the wording of Comment #18 makes it appear to be something different (unilateral devrel action), and I'd feel more comfortable if kloeri or avenj could clarify that they acted as they did because Jory was retiring anyway. That makes devrel look much better. I really do not want to open old wounds here. (Both on this bug and on "devrel is a cabal...")
Personally I feel the decision to drop Jory was correct regardless. Blowing a serious gasket and throwing around serious threats may get you removed from Gentoo without a lot of bullshitting around. I'm sorry, but when it becomes acceptable behavior and a mere "developer conflict" to behave in such a manner, we're in real trouble. If this is a serious problem it may be something worth discussing with the council, however I don't see anything unreasonable or untoward about straightforwardly stating that jumping off the deep end is not OK here.
(In reply to comment #27) > > That's fair. I think my discomfort is because the wording of Comment #18 makes > it appear to be something different (unilateral devrel action), and I'd feel > more comfortable if kloeri or avenj could clarify that they acted as they did > because Jory was retiring anyway. That makes devrel look much better. > > I really do not want to open old wounds here. (Both on this bug and on "devrel > is a cabal...") > Normally I'd be all for following normal conflict resolution procedures but in this case Jory stated several times that he was leaving regardless (see comments about sorcerer, all bridges being burned etc.) and was being abusive towards other developers. So this was in part based on Jory saying himself he was retiring even though I didn't state that in comment 18.
(In reply to comment #29) > (In reply to comment #27) > > > > That's fair. I think my discomfort is because the wording of Comment #18 makes > > it appear to be something different (unilateral devrel action), and I'd feel > > more comfortable if kloeri or avenj could clarify that they acted as they did > > because Jory was retiring anyway. That makes devrel look much better. > > > > I really do not want to open old wounds here. (Both on this bug and on "devrel > > is a cabal...") > > > > Normally I'd be all for following normal conflict resolution procedures but in > this case Jory stated several times that he was leaving regardless (see > comments about sorcerer, all bridges being burned etc.) and was being abusive > towards other developers. > > So this was in part based on Jory saying himself he was retiring even though I > didn't state that in comment 18. > That's fine, thanks for clarifying. That is the qualification I was asking for, and what makes retiring him legitimate (no policy violation) in my opinion. My point all along has been that the wording of Comment #18 makes it look as if we were retiring a developer for behaving badly on the Bug, bad behavior on IRC, and a lot of complaints of abusive behavior --- all without providing any open process so that the community could know what was going on. My concern is that if you substitute "Ciaran" for "Jory", that is pretty much what ciaranm was accusing devrel of over a year ago, and what got us to a formal policy in the first place. Echoing Joshua in Comment #5, ironically this is ciaranm's bug, and I'd have expected him to object after Comment #18. But for some reason he didn't. That makes it harder for me to explain what I've been trying to say. Now I'm happy and I'll shut up. Sorry for not raising this point earlier; I was prety much unavailable last week because of a long holiday weekend followed by a few days off and some family issues. I'm just now getting completely caught up and doubtless have failed to read some critical email. By the way, as with Comment #5, believe it or not, there is a wee bit of sarcasm in my earlier remarks. :)
I've removed all metadata.xml references to anarchy in the portage tree so I believe we're all done now.
As it appears that the recruiters re-activated Pratts account without any sort of bug or discussion I will state here that I strongly object to his participation within Gentoo in any form.
Please reference his developer bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81956#c26 for his return.
