Since this also concerns Gentoo/Linux and can make a big difference about our future, please read http://noepatents.eu.org/ and please DO something while we still can... I think Gentoo should at least add a banner to their website, available at http://noepatents.eu.org/index.php/Web_Demo_Against_Software_Patents Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce:
this has been discussed before (numerous times) with the decision always being to stay out of the fracas.
Can u point me to the discussions please because an answer like this only makes me think Gentoo doesn't care about it's own future...
(In reply to comment #2) > Can u point me to the discussions please Maybe it was discussed in IRC, which would mean you cannot be pointed to any. > because an answer like this only makes > me think Gentoo doesn't care about it's own future... This is not the right place to start a flamewar.
As per suggestion in the recent mail on -core by Andrea (lcars), I hereby reopen this bug, as there seemed to be a sentiment that these kinds of discussions happen best on bugs.gentoo.org, for some reason. I reiterate the point of the original poster: I suggest we put a banner on gentoo.org to clearly state that we, the Gentoo community, is against the current patent legislation being passed through the EU government.
i agree with karltk. It would be nice if it's possible. greetings
I don't think Gentoo as a whole should display any kind of political preference to something. We're not here to show our support/non-support of things, but to develop and have fun. I feel if anyone wants to show their feelings about the subject, its best done in their own space so that people can see their personal view about it rather than a simple image on a page.
(In reply to comment #6) > We're not here to show our support/non-support of things, but to > develop and have fun. You won't have much fun with software patents enforced not only in US, but globally instead; that's for sure. You won't have much fun getting sued for using something that shouldn't have been allowed to be patented in the first place and something that you've been completely unaware of that even is subject to patents. You won't have much fun being forced to crap the functionality of your apps b/c of swpat issues, like the other distributions already were forced to in the past. Software patents will neither make Gentoo more fun, nor will they make it a better Linux distribution. That's all from me.
That is your opinion from *yourself* not from the majority of the devs in Gentoo. We can't place political statements on our site without a *clear* majority of gentoo developers wanting this. The recent 'poll' only included a 1/5th of our devs and is hardly a majority. I'm going to cc: the trustees to get their input since this deals with Gentoo's legality.
(In reply to comment #8) > That is your opinion from *yourself* not from the majority of the devs in > Gentoo. We can't place political statements on our site without a *clear* > majority of gentoo developers wanting this. The recent 'poll' only included a > 1/5th of our devs and is hardly a majority. Those who did care could and did vote. Those who did not care did not vote, which does not invalidate the result of the voting - likewise the fact that ~70% of voting age American population did not vote for G.W.B. does not (unfortunately in this case ;p) invalidate the result of the last presidential elections. BTW, Linux and F/OSS is inherently political in it's very nature, it's a political statement on freedom. [1] Exactly the same freedom that software patents are aiming to take away from you. --- [1] GPL Preamble <snip> The licenses for most software are designed to take away your freedom to share and change it. By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software--to make sure the software is free for all its users. ... When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things. To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender the rights. </snip>
Jakub, if you were mature enough to leave another country's internal politics to that country's people, and OUT OF THIS BUG...then maybe what you have to say could be seen as mature and meaningful, but you aren't even mature enough to honor your own words, for instance what happened to that "That's all from me." in comment #7 ? In short, STAY ON TOPIC AND LEAVE MY COUNTRY'S POLITICS TO ME INSTEAD OF WHINGING ABOUT THEM UNDER THE GUISE OF WHINGING ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL SITUATION IN THIS BUG!
(In reply to comment #10) > Jakub, if you were mature enough to leave another country's internal politics to > that country's people, and OUT OF THIS BUG... That was a perfectly valid example how actual voting turnout is irrelevant wrt the validity of voting results, I don't see the point of your complaint, really. And if we are talking about this, how many people voted on Gentoo metastructure reform? Do you consider the results invalid, for that matter? As for the rest, you CAPS LOCK seems broken. :/ And it's you who is vastly OFF-TOPIC here, unfortunately.
Please discuss on ml or other places, as pointed out this is not the proper place for such discussions. thx.
re-closing.
