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Bug 93780 - document assumes "mirrorselect" is in my PATH. it isn't.
Summary: document assumes "mirrorselect" is in my PATH. it isn't.
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
Alias: None
Product: [OLD] Docs-user
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Handbook (show other bugs)
Hardware: x86 Linux
: High normal (vote)
Assignee: Docs Team
URL: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook...
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Reported: 2005-05-24 02:45 UTC by Presuming Ed
Modified: 2005-05-24 04:06 UTC (History)
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Description Presuming Ed 2005-05-24 02:45:20 UTC
I'm trying to install Gentoo while booted into my existing Mandriva 2005
installation.  The lines at the top of the quoted page tell me to use
"mirrorselect" to select a mirror, but I can't find the mirrorselect program. 
I'm wondering if it is only available if I boot from the Live CD or something.

I've tried editing make.conf manually, but the "SYNC=" line I end up with looks
like this:

SYNC="rsync://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/gentoo/"

(that URL being a link I've copied from your mirror list), but the
make.conf.example file has links like this:

SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"

I'm not sure whether I need to add a "-portage" and remove the trailing slash
from my make.conf or not.  It would be useful if the documentation could help me
with this.

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
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Comment 1 Shyam Mani (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 02:59:53 UTC
6.a. Chrooting
Optional: Selecting Mirrors

From the top of the page. Optional. You really don't need mirrorselect. And yes,
AFAIK, mirrorselect is available only off the LiveCD or a Gentoo installed machine. 

Can someone please confirm and then close this bug?
Comment 2 Jan Kundrát (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 03:22:52 UTC
If Mandriva doesn't have the `mirrorselect`, it's nto our business. Handbook 
describes installation from Gentoo Install CDs. 
Comment 3 Jakub Moc (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 03:24:09 UTC
As I already commented in another bug report (Bug 93785), the document that you
linked assumes
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=2) that you
are installing from Gentoo installation CD, so I can
Comment 4 Jakub Moc (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 03:24:09 UTC
As I already commented in another bug report (Bug 93785), the document that you
linked assumes
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=2) that you
are installing from Gentoo installation CD, so I can´t see why this should be a
bug. 

Moreover, this step is completely optional. 
Comment 5 Stuart Longland (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 03:27:06 UTC
Well... It's an optional extra.  On an installed machine, you can emerge
mirrorselect manually...

(20:12) beast stuartl # emerge -s mirrorselect
Searching...
[ Results for search key : mirrorselect ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  app-portage/mirrorselect
      Latest version available: 0.89
      Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
      Size of downloaded files: 4 kB
      Homepage:    http://www.gentoo.org/
      Description: Tool to help select distfiles mirrors for Gentoo
      License:     GPL-2

It is worth noting, however, that not all installation methods include
mirrorselect.  The MIPS LiveCD and netboots don't have it (although now I know
where to get it -- I might remedy that)... its presence on other non-mainstream
architectures is questionable too.

However, as Shyam has already said... it's *Optional*... I spose a small note
that this is available on Gentoo/x86 and Gentoo/AMD64 (and perhaps a few other)
LiveCDs only?
Comment 6 Presuming Ed 2005-05-24 03:50:26 UTC
I guess I could install it, but I don't have any mirrors set up.  I was
suggesting that the handbook could offer a little more help in getting me set up
with a valid "SYNC=..." line.  In the end I had to copy the example line from
make.conf.example rather than using my local rsync source.

Comment #2 assumes I'm not using a gentoo install CD, but I am.  I am booting
into Mandriva and installing from the install CD.  This is apparently a
supported way of installing gentoo, according to chapter 6 of
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml

I've raised two bugs since I started following the handbook.  They have both
been closed as 'invalid' almost immediately when I've been trying to offer
suggestions that would help fix the handbook.  I'm confused - should I stop
trying to help?
Comment 7 Jan Kundrát (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 04:01:09 UTC
(In reply to comment #5) 
> Comment #2 assumes I'm not using a gentoo install CD, but I am.  I am 
booting 
> into Mandriva and installing from the install CD.  This is apparently a 
> supported way of installing gentoo, according to chapter 6 of 
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml 
 
As I said in bug 93785, important thing is the environment which provides you 
root filesystem, not the one you're fetching tarballs, stages etc from. 
 
> I've raised two bugs since I started following the handbook.  They have both 
> been closed as 'invalid' almost immediately when I've been trying to offer 
> suggestions that would help fix the handbook.  I'm confused - should I stop 
> trying to help? 
 
This is *not* an issue in Handbook, but in altinstall. Your comments are  of 
course welcome. 
 
So, I'd suggest adding simple "<note>You can expect some things to behave 
differently if you're installing from other media than the officially 
supported one.</note>" to the altinstall (not the handbook). 
Comment 8 Jakub Moc (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 04:06:43 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)


As I noted in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93785#c5, using an
alternative install method assumes that the user employs common sense... So,
make.conf.example is there exactly for the purpose of using it as a sample
configuration file, you can even copy it to make.conf and edit to suit your needs. 

You don
Comment 9 Jakub Moc (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-24 04:06:43 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)


As I noted in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93785#c5, using an
alternative install method assumes that the user employs common sense... So,
make.conf.example is there exactly for the purpose of using it as a sample
configuration file, you can even copy it to make.conf and edit to suit your needs. 

You don´t need mirrorselect at all and won´t even get it when installing from
Mandriva (as common sense suggests). Again, the handbook is aimed at users who
are installing from Gentoo install CD (and no, you are not installing from
Gentoo install CD, you are installing from Mandriva chroot and you don´t need
the install CD at all in this case). 

Yes, you can follow the Gentoo installation handbook - but you need to take is
with a grain of salt (common sense). It needs to be concise and not cluttered
with useless remarks like "don´t run mirrorselect if you are missing it b/c you
are installing from another distribution´s chroot".

Would you like to state what improvements are you exactly suggestion for the
install docs?

Thanks.