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Bug 91369 - seperate docs-team and translation efforts on bugzilla
Summary: seperate docs-team and translation efforts on bugzilla
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Infrastructure
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Bugzilla (show other bugs)
Hardware: All All
: High minor (vote)
Assignee: Jeffrey Forman (RETIRED)
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Reported: 2005-05-03 16:37 UTC by Jonathan Smith (RETIRED)
Modified: 2011-10-30 23:14 UTC (History)
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Description Jonathan Smith (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 16:37:01 UTC
would it be possible to seperate, on bugzilla, docs-team and translation efforts? i work with english docs, and want to follow all bugs related to english documentation, but i am rather tired of getting (literally) 50+ emails about russian, greek, and klingon translation.

its not that i don't appreciate the near-heroic efforts of the translation teams to keep them up-to-date, just that my work has nothing to do with them and don't want the emails.

i would suggest creating translations-team@gentoo.org, which has all the translators...
Comment 1 Marcelo Goes (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 16:44:30 UTC
Sounds good to me too, it makes it easier to follow updates in the English version .
Comment 2 Jonathan Smith (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 16:51:16 UTC
should i add infra to cc? aren't they responsible for creating the alias of docs-team@gentoo.org? (which would have to be split)
Comment 3 Flammie Pirinen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 17:02:23 UTC
Setting up a filter on a email client should be trivial task to anyone nowadays. For example I use following for sylpheed-claws:
subject regexpcase "\\[(sv|fr|dutch|cs|es|ru)\\]" & from matchcase "bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org" mark_as_read.
This only works of course, if the translators remember to tag their bugs properly.

> i would suggest creating translations-team@gentoo.org, which has all the translators...

I suggest against this. Finnish translator(s) are equally interested about {russian,swedish,greek,blah} translations as English doc-devs. And I can't invent any use for such alias anyways, everything translators care about too is the changes in English docs (which will always be send to docs-team still, no?).

If you want to have some sane policy, just don't CC translations to docs-team@g.o at all: that was what I originally did, but someone noted me that afterwards that I should spam Finnish translations to docs-team as well.
Comment 4 Jonathan Smith (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 17:10:36 UTC
translation teams would be subscribed to both docs-team and translations-team

this would enable them to recieve english updates as well as their own...

while a filter would be possible, it would be a pain, would still use both my and gentoo's bandwidth unnecessarily, and might filter out other messages (i get _lots_ of bugzilla mail)

it really wouldn't be that hard to change it, and it would also be easier to track/sort en doc bugs verses translation bugs
Comment 5 Flammie Pirinen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 17:31:13 UTC
re comment 4:
> translation teams would be subscribed to both docs-team and translations-team

Why? I thought you wanted to get rid the spam, not redistribute it. The translator teams don't mostly care about the other language spam any more than you do.

If you want to have easily querable things, bugzilla does have better ways to do it than to use query by cc'd email addresses ;-)
Comment 6 Jonathan Smith (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-03 17:35:52 UTC
then how about seperate lists for every language?

having one list for the enirety of documentation is just no longer viable imho
Comment 7 José Alberto Suárez López (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-04 04:47:46 UTC
is a good idea :)
and why not separete it in different languages?
Comment 8 Xavier Neys (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-04 09:09:26 UTC
I'm with Flammie.

Why not an alias per language? Because b.g.o does not know about them and fixing that will not happen overnight. If it does happen in the future, I'll want the language list to be updated automatically.

Why not a different alias for all translations? As Flammie pointed out, it would only shift the problem. FYI, out of 31 users listed in the docs-team alias, 24 are translators.

Besides, the only reason you receive all those mails you're not interested in, is because you asked for them in the first place.
Either keep receiving them and filter on "[xx]" which will filter out most translations, or don't and save a search on bugs.g.o and query it when you feel like it.
Gentoo devs have the advantage that they can filter on dev.g.o whereas you have to filter on your own box.

My vote goes to a WONTFIX
Comment 9 Marcelo Goes (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-04 11:59:11 UTC
Having said that I like the idea, I agree it is more of a problem to implement it than it is to filter e-mail. If you guys think it is just too much trouble, I vote WONTFIX too.
Comment 10 Jonathan Smith (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-04 12:16:03 UTC
re comment #8:

while i understand that its a minor thing to some (mainly those who it doesn't affect, which seem to be the majority of those on docs-team), i can see this being a problem when the team becomes bigger. i know of at least a few people who are probably wanting to officially join soon, including myself; with gentoo's exponential growth, i see this trend only continuing

when this occurs, i could see it being a bigger problem for more people.

however, if it is a massive pain to fix, then don't bother. i thought it only took changing a few aliases in dev.g.o and educating people on which to cc in bugzilla (docs-team@g.o or translations-team@g.o). the bugs which are already open only need to have the cc/assigned changed, which is a simple one-time fix, and new bugs can be simply filed under the correct address
Comment 11 Sven Vermeulen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-07 12:10:28 UTC
I'd rather not separate this either for mostly the same reasons as Xavier. After all, taking a quick look at the overview of bugreports gives a nice idea which ones are translation-specific and which ones aren't.
Comment 12 Jonathan Smith (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-05-07 12:12:46 UTC
swift + neysex saying no = WONTFIX

i still don't agree, but its ok. sorry to hastle you guys