When I first installed Gentoo and fired up X my fonts were huge. I found out later that this was due to using the wrong dpi fonts, so now my kdm/gdm/xdm config passes in the -dpi 75 paramter. This makes KDE look fantastic. Unfortunately, GTK apps have tiny fonts. I can fix this by going into gnome-control-center and double-clicing on the Font control. When I do this, before my very eyes, the fonts in gnome-control-center get bigger, and thereafter every GTK app's fonts are the nice, normal size they should be (note that going to the font control directly with gnome-font-properties achieves the same result. However, once I do this, my fonts in KDE are screwed up -- they are extremely large again, until I kill X and restart. I'm guessing that some setting is being set (or unset) by gnome-font-properties, but I'd like to have the fonts in both systems look correct, all of the time (hope that's not too much to ask!) As I don't experience this problem in SUSE, or Fedora Core, both of which were on my laptop before Gentoo, I know that this can be fixed, but now how. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Start KDE. Enjoy the normal fonts with Qt apps and strain to see fonts with GTK apps. 2. Start gnome-font-properties. Watch the GTK fonts magically, instantly get normal size. Enjoy them. 3. Start Qt apps again (such as the KDE Control Center) and sigh at the huge fonts that have taken the place of the previously-normal ones. I will add emerge info information later -- I'm not on the correct computer.
emerge --info: scales root # emerge --info Portage 2.0.51.19 (default-linux/x86/2004.3, gcc-3.3.5, glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1, 2.6.11-ck3 i686) ================================================================= System uname: 2.6.11-ck3 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1700MHz Gentoo Base System version 1.4.16 Python: dev-lang/python-2.3.4-r1 [2.3.4 (#1, Mar 20 2005, 11:41:26)] dev-lang/python: 2.3.4-r1 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.59-r6, 2.13 sys-devel/automake: 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.5, 1.4_p6, 1.6.3, 1.9.4 sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r1 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.10-r4 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.8.1-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86" AUTOCLEAN="yes" CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/env /usr/kde/3.3/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /usr/share/texmf/dvipdfm/config/ /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/platex/config/ /usr/share/texmf/xdvi/ /var/qmail/control" CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles" FEATURES="autoaddcvs autoconfig ccache distlocks sandbox sfperms" GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo" MAKEOPTS="-j2" PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages" PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp" PORTDIR="/usr/portage" SYNC="rsync://rsync.us.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage" USE="x86 X a52 aac acpi aim alsa apache2 apm arts audiofile avi bash-completion berkdb bitmap-fonts bluetooth bzlib calendar cdparanoia cdr crypt cups curl divx4linux dvd dvdr dvdread emboss encode esd exif expat fam ffmpeg flac font-server foomaticdb fortran ftp gd gdbm gif gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal icq imagemagick imap imlib jabber java javascript jikes joystick jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad maildir mbox mikmod mime mmap mmx motif mozilla mp3 mpeg msn mysql mysqli ncurses nls nptl ogg oggvorbis opengl oscar oss pam pdflib perl php png pnp python qt quicktime readline recode samba sdl sharedext sharedmem slang slp sndfile sockets spell sse ssl svg svga sysfs tcpd tetex threads tiff tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb vcd wifi wxwindows xine xml2 xosd xpm xv xvid yahoo zlib" Unset: ASFLAGS, CBUILD, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY xorg.conf: # XFree86 4 configuration created by pyxf86config Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/nvidia" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # FontPath "/usr/share/fonts" FontPath "unix/:-1" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "synaptics" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "LeftEdge" "120" Option "RightEdge" "830" Option "TopEdge" "120" Option "BottomEdge" "650" Option "FingerLow" "14" Option "FingerHigh" "15" Option "MaxTapTime" "360" Option "MaxTapMove" "110" Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75" Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20" Option "MinSpeed" "0.3" Option "MaxSpeed" "1.5" Option "AccelFactor" "0.040" Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed" "200" Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed" "200" Option "UpDownScrolling" "1" Option "CircularScrolling" "1" Option "CircScrollDelta" "0.1" Option "CircScrollTrigger" "2" # Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" # Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "LCD Panel 1920x1200" HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0 ModeLine "1920x1200" 193.2 1920 2048 2256 2592 1200 1201 1204 1242 -hsync +vsync Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5650" Option "NoLogo" "yes" Option "RenderAccel" "On" Option "NvAGP" "1" Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = aspect-scaled, Dithering = default" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "1920x1200" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1920x1200" "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection
Created attachment 54727 [details] KDE Control Center in the beginning, normal The KDE Control Center in the beginning, with normal fonts.
Created attachment 54728 [details] The Gnome Control Center in the beginning with too small fonts The Gnome control center before opening up the Font control. The fonts are too small.
Created attachment 54729 [details] The Gnome Control Center after opening the Font control The Gnome Control Center after opening the Font app. Note that the fonts are now the correct size.
Created attachment 54730 [details] KDE Control Center with fonts too large The KDE Control Center after opening up the Gnome Font control app. The fonts are now too large, even though GTK programs now have normal sized fonts instead of small ones.
(By the way, I stole my xorg.conf file from my Fedora Core install (the fonts work there!), hence the comments that aren't normal for a Gentoo xorg.conf). Attached are some files. normal_kde_cc.png shows what the KDE Control Center looks like in the beginning, with normal fonts. abnormal_gnome_cc.png shows what the Gnome control center looks like in the beginning, where the fonts are really small. normal_gnome_cc.png shows what the Gnome control center looks like after I open up the Font control app, with the Gnome fonts the correct size, and finally abnormal_kde_cc.png shows what the KDE Control Center looks like after opening up the Font app, with the fonts too large.
Starting gnome-font-properties will start the gnome-settings-daemon, which takes over the font settings, I don't we can do much for it on the kde side. Note that this is not Gentoo specific, e.g.: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22821.html http://www.guilinux.com/viewtopic.php?topic=321&forum=93 Maybe properly setting resolution/dpi could help: 1920x1200 + 75dpi --> X thinks your monitor has a ~30 inches diagonal.
Have you tried using a different dpi? That seems the saner thing to do.
That's kind of the problem. I have the DPI set how I want it, passing -dpi 75 to X via kdmrc's ServerCmd, but what *seems* to be happening is that when the Gnome font control is opened, it changes the DPI of all the fonts. This results in Gnome fonts looking nice, at the right size (which they don't until the Gnome font control is opened...they're too small), but the KDE fonts being huge. What I need to do is get the Gnome fonts bigger to begin with, and the gnome settings daemon or whatever it is that's causing this problem to not change the DPI of all the X fonts, which it seems to be doing.
> What I need to do is get the Gnome fonts bigger to begin with, and the gnome > settings daemon or whatever it is that's causing this problem to not change the > DPI of all the X fonts, which it seems to be doing. Reassigning to the gnome team as this is a request concerning gnome-settings-daemon. (But this is probably an UPSTREAM bug/feature as documented in comment #7.) However, please realize that the dpi setting is not a free parameter, it should be consistent with the resolution you use and the screen size. If resolution and dpi are not consistent, a lot of applications will be confused.
what does 'xdpyinfo | grep resol' give in an xterm ?
The command gives the following: resolution: 100x100 dots per inch I should note that I changed the resolution to 100 (using -dpi 100 instead of -dpi 75) to try to get it to even up a bit. This worked a little, but starting the gnome font properties dialog still changes the KDE fonts...they're just a little more uniform at 100 dpi.
Closing as UPSTREAM after seeing these references: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104341 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151816 The discussion can be moved there.
Thanks. I'll get on the Gnome team's case about this. Looks like its a serious and long standing bug.
