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Bug 81956 (anarchy) - Returning developer: Jory Pratt (anarchy)
Summary: Returning developer: Jory Pratt (anarchy)
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: anarchy
Product: Gentoo Developers/Staff
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Retirement (show other bugs)
Hardware: All All
: High normal (vote)
Assignee: Gentoo Recruiting Team
URL:
Whiteboard: infra-done: 2019-10-30
Keywords:
: 281701 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2005-02-13 21:29 UTC by Matthew Kennedy (RETIRED)
Modified: 2019-12-21 13:24 UTC (History)
9 users (show)

See Also:
Package list:
Runtime testing required: ---


Attachments
morphic's forwarded email to me (morphic.txt,520 bytes, text/plain)
2005-07-19 21:44 UTC, Deedra Waters (RETIRED)
Details
id_rsa.pub (id_rsa.pub,738 bytes, text/plain)
2019-03-14 20:55 UTC, Jory A. Pratt
Details

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Description Matthew Kennedy (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-02-13 21:29:50 UTC
Jory would like to join the qmail herd to work on qmail, qmail documentation and
qmail friends and integration with software such as vpopmail, courier, imap and
relay-ctrl.  robbat2 and myself intend to mentor Jory during the new developer
period.
Comment 1 Matthew Kennedy (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-02-13 21:33:49 UTC
His email address is anarch@penguin-geek.com
Comment 2 Robin Johnson archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2005-02-27 02:21:15 UTC
Hey Jory,
I don't know if mkennedy has spoken to you.

Please complete the ebuild quiz:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/quiz/ebuild-quiz.txt
and email to both mkennedy and myself.
Comment 3 Jory A. Pratt 2005-02-28 19:14:24 UTC
Robbin sorry for the delay. I managed to crash system so bad I had to reinstall I should have ebuild quiz done here in next few days I am working on it as fast as possible.
Comment 4 Matthew Kennedy (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-03-03 09:03:57 UTC
See also Bug #83717 and Bug #83635
Comment 5 Tom Martin (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-04-01 09:42:56 UTC
Jory, please contact me on IRC, then I'll run through your quizzes and get you set up.

Thanks, and sorry for the delay,
Tom
Comment 6 Tom Martin (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-04-02 14:18:08 UTC
All done.

Welcome aboard, Jory.
Comment 7 Tim Yamin (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-04-16 15:45:03 UTC
Changing bug titles to comply with new developer bug title conformance standards, sorry for the spam.
Comment 8 Deedra Waters (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-07-19 21:40:38 UTC
Reopening for tracking purposes. I've received 2 complaints now about 
 Anarchy blowing up at users, and being rather hostile towards them.  
 From what i gather from talking to anarchy, he does have a rather short 
 fuse when the right buttons are pushed. He has apologized to the user 
 that's listed in the complaint that i will attach, and he's also agreed 
 to apologize to the second user that I no longer have the complaint for 
 since i accidently trashed my inbox..
 
Comment 9 Deedra Waters (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-07-19 21:44:25 UTC
Created attachment 63850 [details]
morphic's forwarded email to me

Morphic forwarded this to me
Comment 10 Robin Johnson archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2005-07-19 23:08:51 UTC
dmwaters: did you attach the right file?

It's just a very short note that doesn't seem to be related to this.
"This is the email I sent dholm."
but no other email.
Comment 11 Deedra Waters (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-07-20 06:53:06 UTC
Alright, seems like i attached the wrong part of the email. i guess i 
 can thank pine for that.:) Here's what i origionally tried to attach.
 
 
 On Tuesday 28 June 2005 07:02, you wrote:
 > Hi David,
 >
 > Sorry to have to do this, but I'm pretty mad with Anarchy right now.
 > morfic provided me with a log from today on #gentoo-ppc:
 >
 > http://voxnet.dyndns.org:5003/clipboard/?board=3201
 >
 > We do not treat users like this in #gentoo-ppc.  I know I personally
 > take great care to make sure that we provide a welcoming community, 
 even
 > if the user is a total ass.  (See sktrdie for example :p)  This user 
 was
 > asking a legitimate question, the documentation is *not* clear, and
 > ultimately the user left.  I just don't want to see this become a 
 trend.
 >
  > I'm not sure how you want to handle it, but I figured that it was 
 better
 > to bring this up to you instead of handling it myself.
 >
 > Sorry to have bothered you with this crap, I know I'd rather be 
 coding. ;)
 >
 > -Joe
  
 
 
Comment 12 Disenchanted (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-22 21:34:58 UTC
http://larvalstage.com/zinc/net.kook/index.php

just thought this belongs here
Comment 13 Jory A. Pratt 2005-10-22 22:06:41 UTC
resignation has been sent to -core morphic can take his slander out on someone
else I refuse to stand for it. 
Comment 14 Matthew Kennedy (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-22 22:40:34 UTC
morpic, do you believe everything you come across on the Internet?  Care to
explain why you've attached this nonsense?
Comment 15 Disenchanted (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-22 23:09:37 UTC
the person "slandered" on that page happens to have the same personality as the
anarchy as i have had the pleasure to get him to know as over the past months

Comment 16 Ferris McCormick (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-23 06:32:27 UTC
I had thought this was resolved, but instead it seems to be getting out of hand.
 Has either of you (morphic, anarchy) talked to the ombudsman?  I am explicitly
CC-ing him on this to request his comments.

Reopening for tracking.
Comment 17 Disenchanted (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-23 21:31:03 UTC
----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Re: [Bcm43xx-dev] revision 313
Date: Tuesday 27 September 2005 16:10
From: "Jory A. Pratt" <anarchy@gentoo.org>
To: Michael Buesch <mbuesch@freenet.de>

Michael Buesch wrote:

>On Tuesday 27 September 2005 07:26, Jory A. Pratt wrote:
>  
>
>>This is bad when gcc-3.4.4 can not handle compiling such a simple module 
>>such as this .... should be addressed fairly soon.
>>    
>>
>
>simple???
>It is your task to read the README.
>
>  
>
As I just told the last wise ass it has nothing to do with reading the 
README ieee80211 is already installed.


the email above is what gets pasted from here:

 http://bcm-specs.sipsolutions.net/irc-logs/bcm-specs.2005-09-27

the email is in reply (off-list i believe) to the thread that starts here:

https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2005-September/000229.html

i didn't have the email to paste, and if you follow the suggestion to google for
his name you find the link i pasted earlier

now i might not know anarchy as well as other people, i do not think the way he
treats people is proper, no matter as what kind of person you might know him
from who knows where, he does not present himself to others

promised Sejo@devrel i would add this for completeness once i have it, now i do
and i pasted it
Comment 18 Disenchanted (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-23 21:33:06 UTC
should say "he does not present himself in a good way to others"

appologies for that oversight before comitting
Comment 19 Ferris McCormick (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-24 11:32:09 UTC
I am closing this, temporarily at least, and restricting general distribution. 
This bug is really not the best vehicle for the current discussion.  The
conflict taking place here should be resolved in a more private setting.

Please do not comment further on this bug (except perhaps for g2boojum).

Regards,
Ferris
Comment 20 Grant Goodyear (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2005-10-25 13:58:01 UTC
Nah, since things seem to have been resolved, I'll leave it alone.  If anarchy
wishes to talk to me, he's welcome to do so (preferably by e-mail).
Comment 21 Danny van Dyk (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2006-06-25 04:03:08 UTC
See mail to -core/-dev.
Comment 22 Seemant Kulleen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2006-06-25 05:06:20 UTC
Kloeri, Infra,

Please put a hold on this for the moment.  I believe Jory was just overreacting on -core/-dev.
Comment 23 Bryan Østergaard (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2006-07-06 02:40:59 UTC
Jory reconsidered. Closing bug again.
Comment 24 Mike Doty (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-16 18:58:33 UTC
As it appears that the recruiters re-activated Pratts account without any sort of bug or discussion I will state here that I strongly object to his participation within Gentoo in any form.
Comment 25 Denis Dupeyron (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-17 06:27:59 UTC
(In reply to comment #24)
> As it appears that the recruiters re-activated Pratts account without any sort
> of bug or discussion I will state here that I strongly object to his
> participation within Gentoo in any form.

Disagreeing with him coming back is your right. You should however know that this was discussed as Jory came to us cleanly and asked council and devrel the permission to rejoin before anything happened. Council decided it was devrel's business (that was quite some time before the elections). Devrel then discussed it and decided Jory would come back under the conditions the recruiter could assess how well he would behave and that he would be watched closely once he was back.

Jory was re-recruited using the normal process for a returning dev. The only difference is that his quizzes were reviewed with more scrutiny than usual. He also chose to have a mentor (nirbheek) although this is not mandatory when returning.

I'm leaving this bug opened for a while in case there are more questions.

Denis.
Comment 26 Christina Gianelloni (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-17 15:09:26 UTC
I'm in the process of discussing with Calchan why recruitment information was not put in a bug as is the case of new and returning devs. 

Current recruitment process as documented and published:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/index.xml#doc_chap5

Examples of other returning dev bugs:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24485
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251901

Example of new dev bug:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272106

Please note, I am not against anarchy returning. I have stated my support of this. I do however want to ensure he starts off 'on the right foot' with Gentoo Developers and not have someone 'hold it over his head' that he was given special treatment or did not have to follow the process etc.
Comment 27 Christina Gianelloni (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-17 15:12:56 UTC
Another bug was used by Calchan for his return: #281701. That bug is closed, please use this one for commenting.
Comment 28 Mike Doty (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-19 01:53:39 UTC
(In reply to comment #26)
> I'm in the process of discussing with Calchan why recruitment information was
> not put in a bug as is the case of new and returning devs. 
> 
> Current recruitment process as documented and published:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/index.xml#doc_chap5
> 
> Examples of other returning dev bugs:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24485
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251901
> 
> Example of new dev bug:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272106
> 
> Please note, I am not against anarchy returning. I have stated my support of
> this. I do however want to ensure he starts off 'on the right foot' with Gentoo
> Developers and not have someone 'hold it over his head' that he was given
> special treatment or did not have to follow the process etc.
> 

I feel that he was given special treatment due to procedures not being followed.  Whether or not Jory was aware or requested such treatment is not something I can comment on at this time.

Because procedures were not followed no one outside of the devrel/recruiters/council circle was aware that the recruitment was actually happening.  This prevented everyone else from voicing their opinion.
Comment 29 Petteri Räty (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-19 16:43:17 UTC
(In reply to comment #28)
> 
> I feel that he was given special treatment due to procedures not being
> followed.  Whether or not Jory was aware or requested such treatment is not
> something I can comment on at this time.
> 

The fact that there was no comment in this bug when Calchan started working with Jory was an oversight on his part and hopefully this servers as a lesson for the future. There was also some uncertainty about what to do as this bug was restricted. Other parts of the recruitment process were done as usual.


Comment 30 Mike Doty (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-09-01 01:48:47 UTC
Bump, almost 2 weeks without any input from devrel.
Comment 31 Christina Gianelloni (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-09-08 13:01:04 UTC
(In reply to comment #30)
> Bump, almost 2 weeks without any input from devrel.

betelgeuse is a part of devrel and commented; oversight = human error. reviewing the documentation for the recruitment process, the rest of the process is being followed.

It has been stated that everyone has been unable to voice their opinion due to a lack of bug. No one else has commented on this open bug. 
Comment 32 Petteri Räty (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-03 20:01:54 UTC
(In reply to comment #31)
> 
> It has been stated that everyone has been unable to voice their opinion due to
> a lack of bug. No one else has commented on this open bug. 
> 

No comments in months so closing. Also Jory was missing a gentooJoin entry for coming back so added that.
Comment 33 Pacho Ramos gentoo-dev 2013-03-17 10:06:06 UTC
*** Bug 281701 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 34 Pacho Ramos gentoo-dev 2013-03-17 10:07:46 UTC
Jory has mailed gentoo-core telling us he wants to retire. Will give him 15 days to reconsider (as, maybe, he could also drop from some packages maintainership to be able to keep even with his limited time)
Comment 35 Pacho Ramos gentoo-dev 2013-03-21 20:19:27 UTC
He will keep in gentoo :D
Comment 36 Pacho Ramos gentoo-dev 2016-05-21 18:21:45 UTC
He is inactive for a long time
Comment 37 Pacho Ramos gentoo-dev 2016-05-22 12:45:24 UTC
He is still here (buggy script :S)
Comment 38 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2016-12-05 20:30:27 UTC
For bookkeeping purposes, it seems that Anarchy's earlier retirement was handled in bug #139495. I've noted the date (2006/07/07) in LDAP accordingly.
Comment 39 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2018-11-08 12:20:26 UTC
First mail sent.
Comment 40 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-03-10 09:34:38 UTC
Second mail sent.
Comment 41 Jory A. Pratt gentoo-dev 2019-03-11 14:12:11 UTC
(In reply to Michał Górny from comment #40)
> Second mail sent.

Really. if you would have  spoken with the mozilla herd you would have known I had to replace my system. I am in process of a setup if you want to retire go ahead.
Comment 42 Denis Dupeyron (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2019-03-11 19:21:31 UTC
Please don't retire Jory.
Comment 43 Jory A. Pratt gentoo-dev 2019-03-12 02:52:09 UTC
(In reply to Denis Dupeyron from comment #42)
> Please don't retire Jory.

I am not wanting to, but I am tired of the politics and people just looking for a reason to push old devs out the project. Yes I been absent but other things take a priority over Gentoo and the community as a whole when I am not paid for my work.
Comment 44 Jory A. Pratt gentoo-dev 2019-03-14 20:49:22 UTC
RoSh5ohyVaithah3
Comment 45 Jory A. Pratt gentoo-dev 2019-03-14 20:55:03 UTC
Created attachment 569132 [details]
id_rsa.pub

Please find attached new ssh key, per robbat2
Comment 46 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-04-10 13:11:36 UTC
Jory has resumed contributing.
Comment 47 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-10-15 19:11:19 UTC
Jory has announced his retirement today.  We are going to wait the usual 14 days for a change of mind.
Comment 48 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-10-30 10:05:07 UTC
Done / n/a:
- Package reassignment
- Bugs
- Wiki
- Planet

Pending:
- IRC cloak
- Infra
- Forum
Comment 49 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-10-30 10:06:59 UTC
gitolite done
Comment 50 Infra Account for Automated Retirements gentoo-dev 2019-10-30 10:37:04 UTC
LOG: Running on oystercatcher.gentoo.org for CVS/SVN removal
LOG: Removing anarchy from groups
Comment 51 Infra Account for Automated Retirements gentoo-dev 2019-10-30 10:37:05 UTC
LOG: Started on woodpecker.gentoo.org
LOG: Found anarchy.
LOG: Finished at Wed 30 Oct 2019 10:37:04 AM UTC with rc=0
Comment 52 Infra Account for Automated Retirements gentoo-dev 2019-10-30 10:37:10 UTC
LOG: Running on pigeon.gentoo.org for lists
LOG: Removing anarchy from all lists.
Comment 53 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-10-30 10:50:03 UTC
LOG: Running on grouse.gentoo.org for bugzilla retire
LOG: Found 81956 for anarchy.
LOG: Found active user account for anarchy@gentoo.org
LOG: Updated user account.

infra done.
Comment 54 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-10-30 15:19:16 UTC
Jory asked me to revert his retirement.  Reassigning to recruiters.
Comment 55 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-10-31 14:43:04 UTC
I've reverted as many changes to LDAP as I could figure out, reverted gitolite changes, reactivated Bugzilla account, readded you to gentoo-core@ ml.

What you need to do is readd yourself to packages, projects, mail aliases, mailing lists.

I don't know if we preserved your old password or if it'll need a reset.  Please give it some time, and let me know if anything doesn't work.
Comment 56 Mikle Kolyada (RETIRED) archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2019-12-21 13:24:59 UTC
Seems to be all fine.