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Bug 803563 - please drop specific (stage3/iso) dirs from mirrors
Summary: please drop specific (stage3/iso) dirs from mirrors
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Infrastructure
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Other (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal normal (vote)
Assignee: Gentoo Infrastructure
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: 820728 821574 (view as bug list)
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Reported: 2021-07-23 21:21 UTC by Andreas K. Hüttel
Modified: 2021-11-14 14:46 UTC (History)
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Description Andreas K. Hüttel archtester gentoo-dev 2021-07-23 21:21:31 UTC 
During recent reorganizations some stage/iso filenames were changed, and some old directories will now need to be dropped manually from mirroring.

Please delete the following:

from releases/amd64/autobuilds/

drop (including subdirs):
20200218
20210327
20210627T214502Z
20210630T214504Z 


from releases/x86/autobuilds/

drop (including subdirs):
20210109 
20210628T214503Z          
20210704T203738Z 
20210705T232319Z 
20210706T095618Z 
20210706T203912Z 


from releases/riscv/autobuilds/

drop (including subdirs):
20210617T225542Z 

TIA
Comment 1 Andreas K. Hüttel archtester gentoo-dev 2021-08-09 22:01:51 UTC 
On request by Robin, here are the filename prefixes that need to go...

> from releases/amd64/autobuilds/
> 
> drop (including subdirs):
> 20200218

    subdirectories musl/ and systemd/ need to be removed
    (new uploads use a flat directory structure)

    musl/stage3-amd64-musl-hardened-
    musl/stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla-
    systemd/stage3-amd64-systemd-
    systemd/stage4-amd64-systemd-

> 20210327

    musl/stage3-amd64-musl-hardened-
    musl/stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla-

> 20210627T214502Z

   subdirectory hardened/ needs to be removed
   openrc stages now have a suffix -openrc (except musl)

   hardened/admincd-amd64-
   hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-
   hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-
   hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib-
   hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux-
   stage3-amd64-
   stage3-amd64-nomultilib-
   stage3-x32-

> 20210630T214504Z 

   subdirectory hardened/ needs to be removed
   openrc stages now have a suffix -openrc (except musl)

   hardened/admincd-amd64-
   hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-
   hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-
   stage3-amd64-
   stage3-amd64-nomultilib-
   stage3-x32-


> from releases/x86/autobuilds/
> 
> drop (including subdirs):
> 20210109 

   subdirectory musl/ needs to be removed

   musl/stage3-i686-musl-vanilla-

> 20210628T214503Z

   subdirectory hardened/ needs to be removed
   openrc stages now have a suffix -openrc (except musl)

   hardened/admincd-x86-
   hardened/stage3-i686-hardened-
   stage3-i486-
   stage3-i686-

> 20210706T095618Z 

   faulty spec led to a changed installcd name

   install-x86-minimal-openrc-

> 20210706T203912Z 

   faulty spec led to a changed installcd name

   install-x86-minimal-openrc-


> from releases/riscv/autobuilds/
> 
> drop (including subdirs):
> 20210617T225542Z 

   the profile 17.0 stages are not supported anymore and should go away

   stage3-rv64_lp64-
   stage3-rv64_lp64-systemd
   stage3-rv64_lp64d-
   stage3-rv64_lp64d-systemd-
Comment 2 Alec Warner (RETIRED) archtester gentoo-dev Security 2021-08-25 19:38:42 UTC 
(In reply to Andreas K. Hüttel from comment #1)
> On request by Robin, here are the filename prefixes that need to go...
> 
> > from releases/amd64/autobuilds/
> > 
> > drop (including subdirs):
> > 20200218
> 
>     subdirectories musl/ and systemd/ need to be removed
>     (new uploads use a flat directory structure)
> 
>     musl/stage3-amd64-musl-hardened-
>     musl/stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla-
>     systemd/stage3-amd64-systemd-
>     systemd/stage4-amd64-systemd-

This left 20200218 empty; removed it entirely.

> 
> > 20210327
> 
>     musl/stage3-amd64-musl-hardened-
>     musl/stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla-
> 

Removed entirely.

> > 20210627T214502Z
> 
>    subdirectory hardened/ needs to be removed
>    openrc stages now have a suffix -openrc (except musl)
> 
>    hardened/admincd-amd64-
>    hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-
>    hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-
>    hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib-
>    hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux-
>    stage3-amd64-
>    stage3-amd64-nomultilib-
>    stage3-x32-

Removed hardened/

Other directives unclear.

> 
> > 20210630T214504Z 
> 
>    subdirectory hardened/ needs to be removed
>    openrc stages now have a suffix -openrc (except musl)
> 
>    hardened/admincd-amd64-
>    hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-
>    hardened/stage3-amd64-hardened-
>    stage3-amd64-
>    stage3-amd64-nomultilib-
>    stage3-x32-

Removed hardened; other directives unclear.

> 
> 
> > from releases/x86/autobuilds/
> > 
> > drop (including subdirs):
> > 20210109 
> 
>    subdirectory musl/ needs to be removed
> 
>    musl/stage3-i686-musl-vanilla-

Deleted

> 
> > 20210628T214503Z
> 
>    subdirectory hardened/ needs to be removed
>    openrc stages now have a suffix -openrc (except musl)
> 
>    hardened/admincd-x86-
>    hardened/stage3-i686-hardened-
>    stage3-i486-
>    stage3-i686-

Removed hardened.

To be clear; if I removed stage3-i{4,6}86-* there would be only an install cd left.

> 
> > 20210706T095618Z 
> 
>    faulty spec led to a changed installcd name
> 
>    install-x86-minimal-openrc-

Removed

> 
> > 20210706T203912Z 
> 
>    faulty spec led to a changed installcd name
> 
>    install-x86-minimal-openrc-

This folder was not on the machine.

> 
> 
> > from releases/riscv/autobuilds/
> > 
> > drop (including subdirs):
> > 20210617T225542Z 
> 
>    the profile 17.0 stages are not supported anymore and should go away
> 
>    stage3-rv64_lp64-
>    stage3-rv64_lp64-systemd
>    stage3-rv64_lp64d-
>    stage3-rv64_lp64d-systemd-

This folder is not on the mirror.
Comment 3 Sam James archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2021-10-29 17:43:55 UTC 
*** Bug 820728 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 4 Andreas K. Hüttel archtester gentoo-dev 2021-10-31 19:11:32 UTC 
Here is an update list of all files, symlinks, and directories that need to be nuked:

## alpha

# symlinks with outdated targets
releases/alpha/current-iso -> autobuilds/current-iso
releases/alpha/current-stage3 -> autobuilds/current-stage3
releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-iso -> 20210728T195334Z
releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-stage3 -> 20211021T170545Z
releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-stage3-alpha -> 20210728T195334Z

# list files with outdated targets
releases/alpha/autobuilds/latest-stage3-alpha.txt

# old filenames
releases/alpha/autobuilds/20200215T160133Z

# old filenames
releases/alpha/autobuilds/20210728T195334Z/stage3-alpha-20210728T195334Z.tar.bz2*

## amd64

# the ages-old livedvd
releases/amd64/20160704
releases/amd64/20170118

# symlinks with outdated targets
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64 -> 20210630T214504Z
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux -> 20210627T214502Z/hardened
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla -> 20210327/musl
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-nomultilib -> 20210630T214504Z
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened -> 20200619/uclibc
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-uclibc-vanilla -> 20200619/uclibc
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-x32 -> 20210630T214504Z
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-minimal -> 20200705T214503Z
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-minimal-nomultilib -> 20200705T214503Z
releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-systemd -> 20200218/systemd

# list files with outdated targets
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-nomultilib.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-uclibc-vanilla.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-x32.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-minimal-nomultilib.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-minimal.txt
releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-systemd.txt

# the uclibc remains
releases/amd64/autobuilds/20200619

# old filenames and stage4
releases/amd64/autobuilds/20200705T214503Z

# old filenames
releases/amd64/autobuilds/20210630T214504Z

## arm

# symlinks with outdated targets
releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv4tl -> 20210824T170533Z
releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv5tel -> 20210824T170533Z
releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv6j -> 20210824T170533Z
releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv6j_hardfp -> 20210824T170533Z
releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a -> 20210831T170533Z
releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a_hardfp -> 20210831T170533Z

# list files with outdated targets
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-20150722.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-20151012.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-arm64.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-armv4tl.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-armv5tel.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-armv6j.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-armv6j_hardfp.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-armv7a.txt
releases/arm/autobuilds/latest-stage3-armv7a_hardfp.txt

# old filenames
releases/arm/autobuilds/20210824T170533Z
releases/arm/autobuilds/20210831T170533Z

## arm64: no changes yet

## hppa: no changes yet

## ia64: no changes yet

## m68k

# pointless
releases/m68k/autobuilds/current-stage3 -> 20211027T170547Z

## ppc

# pointless
releases/ppc/current-iso -> autobuilds/current-iso
releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-iso -> 20211028T152133Z

# symlinks with outdated targets
releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-stage3-ppc -> 20210714T100634Z
releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-stage3-ppc64 -> 20210714T100634Z
releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-stage3-ppc64-musl-hardened -> 20210714T100634Z
releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-stage3-ppc64le -> 20210704T205146Z
releases/ppc/autobuilds/current-stage3-ppc64le-musl-hardened -> 20210704T205146Z

# list files with outdated targets
releases/ppc/autobuilds/latest-stage3-ppc.txt
releases/ppc/autobuilds/latest-stage3-ppc64-musl-hardened.txt
releases/ppc/autobuilds/latest-stage3-ppc64.txt
releases/ppc/autobuilds/latest-stage3-ppc64le-musl-hardened.txt
releases/ppc/autobuilds/latest-stage3-ppc64le.txt

# old filenames
releases/ppc/autobuilds/20210704T205146Z
releases/ppc/autobuilds/20210714T100634Z
releases/ppc/autobuilds/20210729T033721Z

## riscv

# symlinks with outdated targets
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3 -> 20211029T170530Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3-rv64_lp64-20.0-openrc -> 20210820T170546Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3-rv64_lp64-20.0-systemd -> 20210820T170546Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3-rv64_lp64d-20.0-openrc -> 20210820T170546Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3-rv64_lp64d-20.0-systemd -> 20210820T170546Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3-rv64_multilib-20.0-openrc -> 20210813T170533Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/current-stage3-rv64_multilib-20.0-systemd -> 20210820T170546Z

# list files with outdated targets
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_lp64-20.0-openrc.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_lp64-20.0-systemd.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_lp64.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_lp64d-20.0-openrc.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_lp64d-20.0-systemd.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_lp64d.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_multilib-20.0-openrc.txt
releases/riscv/autobuilds/latest-stage3-rv64_multilib-20.0-systemd.txt

# old filenames
releases/riscv/autobuilds/20210813T170533Z
releases/riscv/autobuilds/20210820T170546Z

## s390: no changes yet

## sh: no changes yet

## sparc: no changes yet

## x86

# ages-old livedvd
releases/x86/20140826
releases/x86/20160514
releases/x86/20160704

# symlinks with outdated targets
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-install-x86-minimal-openrc -> 20210706T203912Z
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i486 -> 20210628T214503Z
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686 -> 20210628T214503Z
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686-hardened -> 20210628T214503Z/hardened
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686-musl-vanilla -> 20210109/musl
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686-uclibc-hardened -> 20201127/uclibc
releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686-uclibc-vanilla -> 20201127/uclibc

# list files with outdated targets
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-20150922.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-install-x86-minimal-openrc.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3-i486.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3-i686-hardened.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3-i686-musl-vanilla.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3-i686-uclibc-hardened.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3-i686-uclibc-vanilla.txt
releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3-i686.txt

# uclibc
releases/x86/autobuilds/20201127

# old filenames
releases/x86/autobuilds/20210628T214503Z
Comment 5 Matt Turner gentoo-dev 2021-11-03 17:06:09 UTC 
Ack.
Comment 6 Georgy Yakovlev archtester gentoo-dev 2021-11-04 04:50:02 UTC 
*** Bug 821574 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 Robin Johnson archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2021-11-04 05:28:01 UTC 
(In reply to Andreas K. Hüttel from comment #4)
> Here is an update list of all files, symlinks, and directories that need to
> be nuked:
> 
> ## alpha
> 
> # symlinks with outdated targets
> releases/alpha/current-iso -> autobuilds/current-iso
> releases/alpha/current-stage3 -> autobuilds/current-stage3
Removed.

> releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-iso -> 20210728T195334Z
NAK: This IS the latest ISO, why should it be removed?

> releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-stage3 -> 20211021T170545Z
This link is already removed.

> releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-stage3-alpha -> 20210728T195334Z
Removed now.

> # list files with outdated targets
> releases/alpha/autobuilds/latest-stage3-alpha.txt
Removed now.

> # old filenames
> releases/alpha/autobuilds/20200215T160133Z
NAK: The system keeps the last 2 ISOs at least, and that means this stays.

> # old filenames
> releases/alpha/autobuilds/20210728T195334Z/stage3-alpha-20210728T195334Z.tar.
> bz2*
NAK: This is the associated stage w/ the the latest ISO. They are a unit.

> ## amd64
> 
> # the ages-old livedvd
> releases/amd64/20160704
> releases/amd64/20170118
Moved to historical.

> 
> # symlinks with outdated targets
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64 -> 20210630T214504Z
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened ->
> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib ->
> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux ->
> 20210627T214502Z/hardened
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib
> -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla -> 20210327/musl
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-nomultilib -> 20210630T214504Z
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened ->
> 20200619/uclibc
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-uclibc-vanilla ->
> 20200619/uclibc
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-x32 -> 20210630T214504Z
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal ->
> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib
> -> 20200705T214503Z/hardened
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-minimal -> 20200705T214503Z
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-minimal-nomultilib ->
> 20200705T214503Z
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage4-amd64-systemd -> 20200218/systemd
> 
> # list files with outdated targets
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-hardened.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-musl-vanilla.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-nomultilib.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64-uclibc-vanilla.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-amd64.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage3-x32.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-minimal-nomultilib.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-minimal.txt
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/latest-stage4-amd64-systemd.txt
See below, the listings and symlinks exist because the files have no newer builds in many cases.

> # the uclibc remains
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/20200619
Removed now.

> 
> # old filenames and stage4
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/20200705T214503Z
This build persists because of multiple targets that have no newer builds:
stage4-amd64-minimal-nomultilib
stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib
stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib
stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib
stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib

> # old filenames
> releases/amd64/autobuilds/20210630T214504Z
(similar)

> ## arm
(not done yet)
> ## m68k
> 
> # pointless
> releases/m68k/autobuilds/current-stage3 -> 20211027T170547Z
already removed?


> ## ppc
(not done yet)

> ## riscv
(not done yet)

> ## x86
> 
> # ages-old livedvd
> releases/x86/20140826
> releases/x86/20160514
> releases/x86/20160704
moved to historical/

> # uclibc
> releases/x86/autobuilds/20201127
> 
> # old filenames
> releases/x86/autobuilds/20210628T214503Z
similar to amd64
Comment 8 Andreas K. Hüttel archtester gentoo-dev 2021-11-04 12:12:41 UTC 
> 
> > releases/alpha/autobuilds/current-iso -> 20210728T195334Z
> NAK: This IS the latest ISO, why should it be removed?
> 
> > # old filenames
> > releases/alpha/autobuilds/20200215T160133Z
> NAK: The system keeps the last 2 ISOs at least, and that means this stays.
> 
> > # old filenames
> > releases/alpha/autobuilds/20210728T195334Z/stage3-alpha-20210728T195334Z.tar.
> > bz2*
> NAK: This is the associated stage w/ the the latest ISO. They are a unit.
> 

Fine because of the "latest ISO". 
I don't agree with keeping the stage3, because it uses an old name, will be expanded to duplicate symlinks and confuse users again.

> > # old filenames and stage4
> > releases/amd64/autobuilds/20200705T214503Z
> This build persists because of multiple targets that have no newer builds:
> stage4-amd64-minimal-nomultilib
> stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib
> stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib
> stage4-amd64-hardened+minimal-nomultilib
> stage3-amd64-hardened-selinux+nomultilib

No. Please remove these. 
* All stage3 exist under new names.
* All stage4 are at this age completely pointless.
  (And if we ever start building them again, they will have new names too.)

> > # old filenames
> > releases/amd64/autobuilds/20210630T214504Z
> (similar)

Guess why I wrote "old filenames"?

I need your help because the name changes led to duplicate symlinks and list entries. And that confuses people who try to find a download.

> > # uclibc
> > releases/x86/autobuilds/20201127
> > 
> > # old filenames
> > releases/x86/autobuilds/20210628T214503Z
> similar to amd64

Here's a suggestion. How about you just copy everything to Glacier or whereever, and then drop the whole list? Then, if anything is still needed, we can restore it, and in the meantime we don't waste time with going back and forth. It's not as if we are talking about huge amounts of data here.
Comment 9 Andreas K. Hüttel archtester gentoo-dev 2021-11-14 14:46:41 UTC 
All done here, no further help needed. Thanks!