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Bug 779451 - Request to add Gentoo developer business card to Gentoo Artwork
Summary: Request to add Gentoo developer business card to Gentoo Artwork
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Foundation
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Artwork approval (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal normal (vote)
Assignee: Gentoo Artwork Team
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Reported: 2021-03-31 03:33 UTC by Alice Ferrazzi
Modified: 2021-07-02 22:47 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Description Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-03-31 03:33:00 UTC
I would like to propose this business card to be added in the Gentoo
artwork page and it can be used by Gentoo developers.

This artwork is copyrighted by Gentoo Foundation, Inc. licensed under
CC-BY-SA/2.5

The artwork is made by Takuma Muramatsu, Alice Ferrazzi


Reproducible: Always
Comment 1 Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-03-31 03:38:28 UTC
As I couldn't add the "Gentoo developer business card" as an attachment (size is 1.1M)

You can download the business card from the following link:
https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/sample-20161111T090144Z.zip

d63fe50b378552b5cea46bd7fcea1ce5899ccd137c3a6c66b307309e0a99953c sample-20161111T090144Z.zip
Comment 2 Jonas Stein gentoo-dev 2021-03-31 14:02:55 UTC
I am not sure, how such a card can be used in real life.
The only thing I can imagine is on a booth at a conference. 
But I was never asked for a personal business card, when I helped on a Gentoo booth. (perhaps I am not famous enough ;-) 
Usually the people are interested in Gentoo and I do not trade a personal service.

Should this card show that someone has developer status?
Who may create and use it?
Should the PDF be created by a script in the domain of the Foundation?

Is it clear enough that this "business card" is not a "business" card but a kind of club membership?

BTW: It would be a shame if we would design the card with Adobe products on Windows instead on Gentoo with free and self compiled software.
Comment 3 Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-04-01 01:06:56 UTC
Following the discussion on bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/778284

I vote yes as trustees

Trustees are informed and are represented, also trustees email address is added in CC, as from the FoundationArtworkApproval wiki page.

Gentoo artwork project should help the inclusion of new Gentoo related artwork that follow the approval guide.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Artwork/FoundationArtworkApproval
Comment 4 Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-04-01 01:41:08 UTC
@jstein is not our scope to know if Gentoo users/developers use it as long as they write verifiable information.
Even in the case only one person or no one, is using this Gentoo business card, it needs to be added in the Gentoo artwork page.
The artwork project was made with the scope of welcoming new artwork in Gentoo.
Comment 5 Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-04-01 01:43:06 UTC
As long that is following the artwork approval wiki https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Artwork/FoundationArtworkApproval
Comment 6 Jonas Stein gentoo-dev 2021-04-01 14:20:00 UTC
This ticket is not just about "Artwork", 
but rather about introducing "Membership Cards" or "Business Cards".
=====================================================================

Please discuss this question on the mailing list and solve the open questions. 

After that step, the introduction of membership cards should be backed by more than one person. Here the usage of the Gentoo trademark by developer is involved. So I would expect a common decision by Council AND Trustees.

In a third step we will discuss the design of such a card, Artworks Project will help here.

Your idea with these cards is very interesting, but I will not support a decision which skips all the prior steps and will close the ticket here.
Comment 7 Jonas Stein gentoo-dev 2021-04-02 18:32:26 UTC
Besides the questions above I had a look at the files.
I opened the .svg with Inkscape. 

The files have extremely low quality and should be overhauled:
* which Business Card is 300 mm wide ?!
* card is printed to the edge but there is no cut range. How should that work?
* the vector graphic of the card is simply a copy and paste of bitmaps. Hence it is extremely large and has low resolution
* text is not visible
Comment 8 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2021-04-02 21:33:21 UTC
(In reply to Jonas Stein from comment #7)
> Besides the questions above I had a look at the files.
> I opened the .svg with Inkscape. 
> 
> The files have extremely low quality and should be overhauled:
> * which Business Card is 300 mm wide ?!

Alice wants to be seen as a Gentoo dev from a few meters ;-).
Comment 9 Luca Barbato gentoo-dev 2021-04-03 05:21:46 UTC
(In reply to Jonas Stein from comment #2)
> I am not sure, how such a card can be used in real life.
> The only thing I can imagine is on a booth at a conference. 
> But I was never asked for a personal business card, when I helped on a
> Gentoo booth. (perhaps I am not famous enough ;-) 
> Usually the people are interested in Gentoo and I do not trade a personal
> service.

This is widely different depending on nations, Japan is probably is on the opposite side of the spectrum compared to Europe and USA is somehow in the middle. 

> Should this card show that someone has developer status?
> Who may create and use it?
> Should the PDF be created by a script in the domain of the Foundation?
> 
> Is it clear enough that this "business card" is not a "business" card but a
> kind of club membership?

What is the difference in your opinion? Business Cards are just a paper medium to deliver some information, in some cultures it is so common everybody has it and exchange it after 5minutes of small talk, in other is fairly fringe to even own one.

> BTW: It would be a shame if we would design the card with Adobe products on
> Windows instead on Gentoo with free and self compiled software.

Artists use what they like, I assume the PSD is the source (it opens fine in GIMP btw).

(In reply to Jonas Stein from comment #7)
> Besides the questions above I had a look at the files.
> I opened the .svg with Inkscape. 

Firefox disagrees with Inkscape, I guess we could figure it out with the inkscape developers ^^;

> 
> The files have extremely low quality and should be overhauled:
> * which Business Card is 300 mm wide ?!
> * card is printed to the edge but there is no cut range. How should that
> work?
> * the vector graphic of the card is simply a copy and paste of bitmaps.
> Hence it is extremely large and has low resolution
> * text is not visible

The PSD seems fine in GIMP, probably we can get something better in the SVG.
Comment 10 William Hubbs gentoo-dev 2021-05-10 02:15:54 UTC
We are not sure how this is a council question.
There is no way we can stop someone from creating a gentoo developer
business card if they want to do this, and permission to use the
trademark or logo would need to come from the Trustees.
Comment 11 Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-05-10 03:33:12 UTC
@williamh not sure why this became a topic of the council.
My request is just for making the business card template accessible also to others, doing so by adding it to the Gentoo related artwork wiki page.

Thanks,
alice
Comment 12 Michał Górny archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2021-05-10 07:22:55 UTC
Not that such a thing should come with clear guidelines how to use it.  Otherwise, anyone can start showing off as a Gentoo developers and before you know, Gentoo's reputation is tarnished by some random people with their 'Gentoo business cards' and we can't do anything about it because some developer just happened to officially tell everyone they can have 'Gentoo business cards'.
Comment 13 Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev 2021-05-10 18:39:12 UTC
@mgorny I understand your concern, but they couldn't just make their own business card even without the business card template with a Gentoo logo without us even knowing about this?
I think a business card could be nice for Gentoo users (developers or not) who dedicate time to Gentoo from their spare time. Also, for people that are in charge of organizing Gentoo booths or events and would be a nice way for keeping in touch with other project leaders and coordinator during social events. Even more now that we have a GPG system is a nice way to show our GPG fingerprint in signing events, just add your GPG fingerprint at the end of the business card. With the GPG fingerprint we have better ways to verify Gentoo developers than a business card. 

By the way also Debian is offering a similar template: https://www.debian.org/events/material#cards
Comment 14 William Hubbs gentoo-dev 2021-07-02 22:47:46 UTC
There is nothing for the council to do for this bug, so I am removing
us from CC.