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Bug 750029 - kde-plasma/plasma-meta should work without elogind/systemd
Summary: kde-plasma/plasma-meta should work without elogind/systemd
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Linux
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Current packages (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal enhancement
Assignee: Gentoo KDE team
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Reported: 2020-10-19 00:59 UTC by Luke-Jr
Modified: 2020-10-25 08:28 UTC (History)
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Description Luke-Jr 2020-10-19 00:59:02 UTC
At least kde-plasma/plasma-meta and sys-auth/polkit seem to work fine without any logind.

Other packages with this common REQUIRED_USE should probably also be checked whether they actually require it or not.
Comment 1 Andreas Sturmlechner gentoo-dev 2020-10-19 05:19:29 UTC
Don't use plasma-meta if you don't want logind.
Comment 2 Luke-Jr 2020-10-19 14:27:39 UTC
(In reply to Andreas Sturmlechner from comment #1)
> Don't use plasma-meta if you don't want logind.

Why not? That is not a solution. There is no reason to have a hard logind dependency in plasma-meta. You also have lots of USE flags to disable other optional components.
Comment 3 Andreas Sturmlechner gentoo-dev 2020-10-19 17:11:04 UTC
We don't support it, plain simple, and I consider your system broken if you run it like that.

All the way back to 2015 your only option besides logind was consolekit, the latter is gone now. That's how old that discussion would be, and I'm not having it now.
Comment 4 Jonas Stein gentoo-dev 2020-10-19 18:03:19 UTC
I think we can close this ticket in that case.
Is this documented anywhere already?
Comment 5 Luke-Jr 2020-10-19 18:27:17 UTC
Nothing has been resolved.

Even if the KDE team doesn't wish to support it, it is supported upstream and there is no reason to make it entirely impossible for users. Until now, we could set USE=consolekit and use package.provided to not have that either - but with consolekit removed, there is no way to get the same logind-less KDE system.

Additionally, this bug affects more than just plasma-meta anyway.
Comment 6 Jonas Stein gentoo-dev 2020-10-25 01:55:56 UTC
I think the best is to document the reasons for and against this enhancement somewhere and discuss it outside the bug tracker. 
You can also provide patches, or interested users test the enhancement in an overlay.

A discussion in this ticket will not lead to anything useful.
Please do not reopen again, if KDE closes this ticket.
Comment 7 Andreas Sturmlechner gentoo-dev 2020-10-25 08:24:47 UTC
(In reply to Luke-Jr from comment #5)
> Nothing has been resolved.
That's indeed the conclusion of WONTFIX.
Comment 8 Andreas Sturmlechner gentoo-dev 2020-10-25 08:28:24 UTC
(In reply to Jonas Stein from comment #6)
> I think the best is to document the reasons for and against this enhancement
There's no such thing as upstream support, there is nothing to document.