Pappy is getting way out of line with regards to his mentoring of Peter Mazinger, and their reluctance to follow the new developer guidelines. He has been disrespectful and insulting to other developers (especially dmwaters) on mailing lists and irc, even taking the issue to the public by cross-posting to -dev. This is unacceptable behavior as a developer, and I feel that more should be done to stop this. I don't see any prior bugs on his behavior, but other people have mentioned that he is a "loose cannon". With that in mind I wouldn't give him the axe on this instance, but definately some course of suspension needs to be taken, with a warning that the next time will be permanent. If he refuses to accept that he has been out of line, then maybe we need to think about something more than a suspension. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3. (irc log from 12/14/04) 06:17 -!- pappy_ [pappy@pappy.de] has joined #gentoo-devrel 06:17 < pappy_> dmwaters: you are not giving me orders. 06:18 < pappy_> dmwaters: not you. 06:18 < pappy_> you wanna see me getting off on that? 06:18 < pappy_> and you WANT to see me getting this thing personal? 06:18 < pappy_> you can have that if you really say pleeeeease. 06:19 < pappy_> if all people would take things serious as you, we could pack up things and start bragging all day long about stuff that breaks left and right of us. 06:19 < pappy_> you dont know me 06:19 < pappy_> lets take this personal 06:19 < pappy_> lets take it to -dev 06:20 < pappy_> lets hurt many many people 06:20 < pappy_> you will make a good job on that 06:20 < pappy_> i am pretty sure 06:20 < pappy_> end of discussion, eh? 06:20 -!- pappy_ [pappy@pappy.de] has left #gentoo-devrel [] We have also been asked to suspend him from another member of the development team: From: Daniel <dragonheart@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo To: devrel@gentoo.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:05:47 +0930 Cc: Alexander Gabert <pappy@gentoo.org> I highly recommend suspending Alexander Gabert <pappy@gentoo.org> based on the gross breaches of Etiquette policy (http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3&chap=2). -- Daniel Black <dragonheart@gentoo.org>
just to document this.. I don't plan on posting the whole thread to this bug, but this note from pappy shows his intent: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Peter Mazinger new developer http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35971 From: Alexander Gabert <pappy@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-core@robin.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:15:52 +0100 On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 08:55 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> there was no reason to take this shit off of gentoo-core and into gentoo-dev >> >> doing so accomplishes nothing but pisses off (even more) people ... it was my intention to do that. You know, when it itches, don't scratch it. But you do it nevertheless. You scratch it. And it starts to bleed. -- gentoo-core@gentoo.org mailing list
Due to the fact that pappy's recent behavior could be called erratic at best, I will be having pappy's Gentoo privileges temporarily suspended for a period of 30 days beginning today. Pappy's access should be reinstated if he so desires on January 14th. I'll be coordinating with Kurt to ensure that notification goes out at the time of account suspension.
Created attachment 45982 [details] another irc log from #-devrel with pappy Just so this is documented, I talked with him on #-devrel today, and this is the log..
Accounts are suspended, notification sent
Just finished reading the logs. What's to say pappy won't get his access back and do something intentionally to tarish the rest of the Gentoo community's image? He seems VERY disgruntled and strikes me as the type who wouldn't think twice about taking revenge for being suspended. He's already shown his willingness to air dirty laundry in a public forum (-dev ML). My vote is to axe him now. Normally I wouldn't take such a harsh stance, but this situation is much more serious than a pissing contest between developers.
Making a martyr out of him is unlikely to help things much. I think he'd be more likely to do as you suggest, Jason, if we got rid of him now. Sure we can go around saying, "But he's not a Gentoo dev! He can't possibly tarnish Gentoo's image now!" but that's completely false.
He's already tarnished Gentoo's image by taking this to -dev. Rather than decide now whether or not we wish to cut him off for good, we should let his actions over the next month decide this.
i suggest that he's been put back as a dev, but that we watch him closely. If he steps over the line again, then more permanent actions should be taken. People tend to make mistakes, and if we don't get over them we'll only hurt Gentoo with it. Pappy made some mistakes, well it's time he shows now he learned by them. But give him the chance. greetings
pappy's one month suspension time is up. Recruiters, could you please make sure pappy's accounts are reactivated?
I did a passwd -u pappy on lark and toucan. I'm not sure if thats how locked him up initially, but let me know if he's still having problems.
...pappy has announced his resignation in a mail to -core on Feb 2nd. Infra, please make sure his accounts are shut off again.
Accounts disabled and moved on toucan and lark. Also checked in the aliases. Deedra/Cyber: You should make sure pappy@g.o isn't sub'd to any of the lists.
Account removed from nemo.amd64.dev.gentoo.org.
Retired on roll-call.
removed from -core
He's retired on toucan, and I've removed him from lists. I'm doing his irc access now.
He managed to be retired and come back. He behaved well for a while but I fear he is slipping into his old behavior patterns again.
Adding Alexander for comment. What's this about?
(In reply to comment #18) > Adding Alexander for comment. What's this about? > i don't know? It's the first time i'm getting to see this bug, and i am pretty surprised that it exists at all. All i can say now is that i'm sorry what i said to cshields back then. -Alex
Sorry for the ambiguity --- question is addressed to solar mor than to pappy.
Alexander mailed his resignation to devrel@ today. Infra, please process his retirement.
planet done
Created attachment 154371 [details] CoC violation from pappy on planet.gentoo.org infra received complaints about a CoC violation regarding pappys blog post titled "is the open source paradigm crippled by an inherently flawed approach to providing systems security?" on 2008-05-23. As he is already being retired, I had dsd remove his planet access and blog.
infra-processed now.
- Removed access from #gentoo-dev - Removed gentoo/developer cloak - Removed from herds.xml - Removed from project pages - Reassigned all remaining bugs
- metadata done
Not listed as a developer on the forums.
No planet account. Retirement complete.
*** Bug 24688 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
