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Bug 581370 - Proxy Maintainers project request for a mailing list
Summary: Proxy Maintainers project request for a mailing list
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Infrastructure
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Mailing Lists (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal normal
Assignee: Gentoo Infrastructure
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Reported: 2016-04-27 14:03 UTC by Ian Delaney (RETIRED)
Modified: 2016-09-23 07:08 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description Ian Delaney (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-04-27 14:03:23 UTC
Some members of this project, both users and developers, wish to have a ML made available for addition to the archival records of gentoo.  While the numbers are low, the interest is apparent for this to be made.

The members are aware of the need for both addition to the alias files in the gentoo server as well as subscription to the would be new ML.

The one condition common to all is to have bugmail excluded form the ML since it is already made amply available to all.
Comment 1 Michael 'veremitz' Everitt 2016-04-27 14:15:44 UTC
I think there's an argument for bug mails to go to the mailing list .. if users are notified at the outset, they can choose to opt in/out if they consider it's a problem. Another possibility is making it an opt-out "option" for the ML itself, I'm sure this should be trivial to implement. Ie. you could have a few options which 'types' of email you received on your ML 'subscription'. More flexible than the Bugzilla and being opt-out instead of opt-in by default.

I do feel that the creation of a ML increases exposure to the P-M project and its 'jobs' so that more people can get involved if they see fit. It also increases transparency both within the project and from outside, which should serve to provide better accountability both to Gentoo and the community at large.
Comment 2 Sam Jorna (wraeth) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-04-27 14:24:23 UTC
(In reply to Michael Everitt (IRC: veremit) from comment #1)
> I think there's an argument for bug mails to go to the mailing list .. if
> users are notified at the outset, they can choose to opt in/out if they
> consider it's a problem.
I'm not sure this is wise, given that it will create a significant amount of noise on the mailing list (as well as the archival burden that goes with that).

> Another possibility is making it an opt-out
> "option" for the ML itself, I'm sure this should be trivial to implement.
> Ie. you could have a few options which 'types' of email you received on your
> ML 'subscription'. More flexible than the Bugzilla and being opt-out instead
> of opt-in by default.
I haven't seen a configuration "page", and am not sure what options are available to users/subscribers of mlmmj, but this does seem to be unnecessarily complex. That being said, technically you could also just create a filter in your client, if that's the route that's chosen.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but instead of having all bug mail going to the mailing list, you could instead simply "watch" proxy-maint@gentoo.org on Bugzilla - the option should be in your Email preferences, I believe.
Comment 3 Michael 'veremitz' Everitt 2016-04-27 14:28:47 UTC
(In reply to Sam Jorna (wraeth) from comment #2)
> I'm not sure if you're aware, but instead of having all bug mail going to
> the mailing list, you could instead simply "watch" proxy-maint@gentoo.org on
> Bugzilla - the option should be in your Email preferences, I believe.

Interesting .. will have to give that a roll ..
Comment 4 Sam Jorna (wraeth) (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-04-27 14:29:51 UTC
(In reply to Sam Jorna (wraeth) from comment #2)
> I'm not sure if you're aware, but instead of having all bug mail going to
> the mailing list, you could instead simply "watch" proxy-maint@gentoo.org on
> Bugzilla - the option should be in your Email preferences, I believe.

As mentioned by Coacher in #gentoo-proxy-maint, there's also the Bugzilla Whine's feature.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/editwhines.cgi
Comment 5 Alex Legler (RETIRED) archtester gentoo-dev Security 2016-04-27 14:40:04 UTC
The one thing missing is a name.
Can you discuss internally and post your final suggestion here? Same goes for other discussion, please do that via your project's channels.
Comment 6 Michael 'veremitz' Everitt 2016-04-27 14:49:50 UTC
(In reply to Alex Legler from comment #5)
> The one thing missing is a name.
> Can you discuss internally and post your final suggestion here? Same goes
> for other discussion, please do that via your project's channels.

Noted.
Comment 7 Robin Johnson archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2016-04-27 18:42:52 UTC
(In reply to Alex Legler from comment #5)
> The one thing missing is a name.
The name should match against:
/^gentoo-[^@]+@lists\.gentoo\.org$/

mgorny did raise some concerns on IRC/#gentoo-infra about avoiding potentially private bugs going to a P-M mailing list, as well as security concerns for password resets. I'll ask that he re-iterate them here, for everybody on the p-m alias to see.
Comment 8 Ian Delaney (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-05-06 00:06:10 UTC
By popular request,

gentoo-proxy-maint@lists.gentoo.org

As far as  bug mail is concerned, in my view it will mostly clog and spam the ML.
 The bug mail is already able to be controlled by the means mentioned, and they can be accessed via the alias itself or by advanced searches, even saved searches, in bugzilla.

Thank you
Comment 9 Robin Johnson archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2016-05-30 00:09:45 UTC
Fired in cfengine etc. Give it an hour or two to be created, then it should work.
Comment 10 Michael Palimaka (kensington) gentoo-dev 2016-06-01 16:43:37 UTC
The list seems to be missing from https://www.gentoo.org/get-involved/mailing-lists/all-lists.html and archives.gentoo.org
Comment 11 Kristian Fiskerstrand (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-06-11 21:01:33 UTC
Its now listed but produce a HTTP 500 error:
https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-proxy-maint/
Comment 12 Kristian Fiskerstrand (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-07-13 19:25:54 UTC
(In reply to Kristian Fiskerstrand from comment #11)
> Its now listed but produce a HTTP 500 error:
> https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-proxy-maint/

Any update on this issue?
Comment 13 Robin Johnson archtester Gentoo Infrastructure gentoo-dev Security 2016-07-15 14:54:11 UTC
(In reply to Kristian Fiskerstrand from comment #12)
> (In reply to Kristian Fiskerstrand from comment #11)
> > Its now listed but produce a HTTP 500 error:
> > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-proxy-maint/
> 
> Any update on this issue?

Most, but not all of the mail is there already. Just some of the early emails are missing (25 of 38 are present).
Comment 14 Kristian Fiskerstrand (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2016-07-15 15:02:25 UTC
(In reply to Robin Johnson from comment #13)
> (In reply to Kristian Fiskerstrand from comment #12)
> > (In reply to Kristian Fiskerstrand from comment #11)
> > > Its now listed but produce a HTTP 500 error:
> > > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-proxy-maint/
> > 
> > Any update on this issue?
> 
> Most, but not all of the mail is there already. Just some of the early
> emails are missing (25 of 38 are present).

Good enough for me as long as it will work going forwards