Robert has been keeping way ahead of me on gaim news and updates and doing a great job on the ebuild... so much so that even if I have an ebuild ready the day of realease there is usually one on bugzilla by the time I commit it. If you search bugzilla you will find numerous other bugs and ebuilds submitted, and Robert's ebuilds are of consistently high quality. (aside) I know last time I had a new maintainer for gaim he lasted like 2 months before kicking it with personal business, I hope that this try to find a reliable Gaim maintainer works out :-D (no pressure Robert)
If you want someone _just_ for maintaining gaim and gaim-encryption, I could probably still handle that. But I was brought in mainly for going through user-submitted ebuilds, of which I couldn't find time to do. Just wanted to clear that up. But sounds like Robert is on the ball so hopefully things roll on!
PS: Bug 29997 has a new gaim ebuild with gaim-encryption.
*bump* :)
It seems Robert has slipped through the cracks. I always welcome some help here since now I'm the de facto contact for all of net-im. Assuming Robert is still interested, can we get him through the machine?
http://dev.gentoo.org/~avenj/quiz Thar be the mighty developer quiz. Please answer each of those questions to the best of your ability. Feel free to make liberal use of the Gentoo Development Policy and Developer HOWTO documents on http://gentoo.org. Also feel free to ask other developers. The important thing is you learn how to do it the right way. When you are done email your answers to recruiters@gentoo.org and post a note here saying you have sent your answers in. Please don't post your answers here.
What's the status here?I'd like to get him through the process, but we have not received quiz, copyright, ssh and gpg pub keys so far.Thanks!
Sorry. To say I have been "swamped" lately would be an understatement. :) Everything should be done now. Rizzo gave me the test URL. I will do it and turn stuff in.
I'm going to close this bug for now. You are more then welcome to reopen the bug when you have more time, but you currently do not seem to be interested. Thanks.
Deedra this is my fault. kabuto submitted his answers for a pre-review and I let it slip through the cracks of my inbox. This will be finished up this week.
Sent in quiz answers and info.
kabuto don't forget your copyright, ssh and gpg pub keys. copyright process is here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/copyright/
The fact that it required closing this bug to wake everybody up isn't a great sign; I do not feel that it would be overly worthwhile to do this at this current stage (particularly for a minor package). If we need people for something else, we'll check back with you.
I really don't understand what the issue is here. I _just_ discussed this with dmwaters a couple of days ago. Considering how long this bug was opened before I returned and took over on his behalf, the week that has elapsed since his sending in the answers is lightning quick. I don't see that any of the recruiters had contact Rob since his answers were sent in. Nor am I aware of any stated time limit that recruits need to act within. Please point it out if I am mistaken. Also kabuto would be helping on all of net-im, not just gaim. I'm starting to get Oracle bugs sent my way since word has leaked out that I'm a DBA so it will be nice to have the extra eyes and hands. I didn't realize that weight of a package was a factor. Also I'm not sure what scale you are using when saying gaim is a "minor" package. It's not a foundation library or anything, but it is arguably among the top ten applications used on the desktop (and consistently ranked #1 on sf.net activity stats). But, like I said, I didn't think anyone's subjective weight system should matter.
dmwaters came to me for advice on the bug due to concerns about the level of time commitment that can be made by the dev in question. I looked at his history of contributions and the activity on this bug and weighed it against those concerns. I take full responsibility for the lack of action prior to handing over new devs to dmwaters. By "minor" I refer to the fact that the ebuild is not complex in a relative sense. I hope you are not really suggesting that recruiters should not weigh ebuilds against each other to determine whether they require a new dev or not -- each new dev is a security risk and another person to manage, so it's in Gentoo's best interest to try to minimize the number of developers brought in. Robert: can you detail what precisely you'd like to do besides maintaining the gaim ebuild, and additionally give us some information on what level of commitment you can offer time-wise?
Here is some ebuilds I have done: gaim (updates and patches) gphoto (1/2 the ebuild code is mine exif/driver builds) zinf (updates, debug) simplecdrx At the time that Brandon asked me to be a dev I had plenty of free time and gaim didn't have an "official" handler. Don mentioned he could put in some time with it, which seems to be all support now. When the quiz was finally showed to me I had a project at work that was taking all my time. I would say it is up to Don and how much time he has and what he needs done. I will still update the ebuilds I have done when need. I don't know if maintainers are need on any of the above.
come talk to me and let's go over your quiz etc.
Kabuto, what's going on here? I asked you to clarify a few points on your quiz, but have not heard back from you as of yet. This is where my concerns are with this new dev. I feel like I need to continually push and push to get what we need from him. My concern is that what happens if we make him a dev? Will he keep up with the work he takes on? or will we have to keep on top of him in order for him to get things done. I apologize if this comes across as harsh. It's not meant to be that way, but it is a concern I've had, and it's only continually reinforced. Deedra
Oh. Sorry didn't know I wasn't supposed to go out of town with my family. SCrew this. I've had it.
robert, one of the biggest issues that's been created here could have been avoided, had you bothered to update deedra via email or irc. I've been privy to this bug from day 1, and I know the kinds of feelings this brings, when people have to constantly push -- it feels like we're babysitting. Not a sleight against you, just that we don't have the will or the time to constantly remind people. You seem angered by this, and I can understand it. But you must also understand our position. We're trying to co-ordinate hundreds of developers online, and we can't afford to have people who constantly need a FEW reminders (such as this bug closing to get your attention). I'm very sorry, but maybe sometime in the future when your time commitment is more solid, or you become more responsive, can we revisit your being a developer. For now, let's just say it's postponed.
The assertion that the bug closing was needed to get his attention is not true, and as I've stated before it was needed to get MY attention and Robert was waiting on me. Seemant I know I've made this clear to you and others in #gentoo-dev when this first came up. Robert has stated to me that he was chatting with dmwaters this past Friday about his quiz and was never given a time limit on when to turn in his revised answers. Today is only Tuesday, and since on weekends I normally am away from the computer with my family I don't find it unreasonable to assume he or you or anybody might do the same. That makes it at most 2 days, and despite that fact that a time limit was never stated, you feel the need to keep "reminding" him. He was responding just fine on Friday, so I don't think he hasn't been "responsive" by any stretch. This particular issue is dead but I just want to state my disappointment in the overall handling of the matter. If you wanted him to get back to you by a certain time, clearly state that. Otherwise I don't see how you hold the right to chastise anyone for being unresponsive.
