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Bug 271305 - net-analyzer/{nam,ns}: New packages
Summary: net-analyzer/{nam,ns}: New packages
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo Linux
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Current packages (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: High enhancement (vote)
Assignee: Default Assignee for New Packages
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Keywords:
: 293364 (view as bug list)
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2009-05-26 13:20 UTC by Federico Ferri (RETIRED)
Modified: 2009-11-18 15:36 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description Federico Ferri (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-05-26 13:20:05 UTC
Please remove nam and ns from tree.
Last upstream release was February 3, 2005.
In addition depends on the unmaintained dev-tcltk/otcl (dead upstream? or just lethargy? last release March 10, 2007), which is [hopefully] going for removal too.

A replacement for nam/ns is gns3 [1], available in sunrise overlay.

These packages (nam, ns, otcl, tclcl) are copied to [2] so that is still possible to build them at any later time.

[1]: http://www.gns3.net/
[2]: http://overlays.gentoo.org/dev/mescalinum/changeset/4
Comment 1 Peter Volkov (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-05-26 18:23:50 UTC
ns itself is not a dead project. gns3 is not replacement but just a different project.

Currently ns now evolves into ns-3 and actually currently upstream gonna rewrite everything using python and they even did first pre-release and have some further plans: http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap 

I'm not sure about nam but I think it's better to keep ns in the tree for some unspecified time but of course if you think otcl should be hardmasked, hardmask all this packages (like you already did). [OffTopic]Also I'm not sure why we need any abadonware overlay since we already have CVS exactly for such things - to get old software ;)[/OffTopic]
Comment 2 Antti Mäkelä 2009-05-27 10:47:12 UTC
I'd also like to keep ns2/nam in tree.

GNS3 is a completely different thing, even if it's also a network simulator.
Comment 3 Federico Ferri (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-05-27 11:17:23 UTC
ok, I see your points.

but those packages prevent the stabilization of other major packages (tcl-8.5, tk-8.5 mostly).  I'd rather keep them masked, do you agree?

eventually, ns-3 will be released, and obsoleted packages could be dropped. btw I won't touch any pkgs without hearing netmon's last word.

cheers
Comment 4 Jeremy Olexa (darkside) (RETIRED) archtester gentoo-dev Security 2009-05-30 01:22:31 UTC
# Federico Ferri <mescalinum@gentoo.org> (26 May 2008)
# Deprecated cause depending on unmaintained dev-tcltk/otcl.
# Everything being moved to 'abandonware' overlay.
# Possible replacement: net-misc/gns3 (sunrise overlay)
# Going for removal in ~30 days if no one objects.
# removal bug #271305
net-analyzer/ns
net-analyzer/nam

abandonware overlay is really pointless when we have CVS attic and sunrise if a user steps up to maintain said apps. ;)
Comment 5 Antti Mäkelä 2009-06-08 16:43:36 UTC
I hope you are aware that ns-3 is actually already going in version 3.4, and 3.5 slated for release this summer.. (http://www.nsnam.org/)
Comment 6 Federico Ferri (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-06-08 19:03:30 UTC
yep, we talked on IRC.
packages are not going to be removed.
will remain masked for tcl8.5 stabilization though.
Comment 7 Jeremy Olexa (darkside) (RETIRED) archtester gentoo-dev Security 2009-06-08 20:00:02 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> packages are not going to be removed.

Your bug then ;)
Comment 8 James Broadhead 2009-07-06 14:59:51 UTC
(In reply to comment #7)
> (In reply to comment #6)
> > packages are not going to be removed.
> 

Good. As previously stated, gns3 is not an equivalent program. 

also, the latest ns-2 release is 2.3.4, Jun 17 2009. 
http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-build.html

Finally, nam is used in and by ns-3 and should not be removed. 

Comment 9 Samuli Suominen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-07-29 20:34:09 UTC
Removed from tree; since apparently no commits was made for progress on this. If I removed something that was *working* i'll be reverting this asap.
Comment 10 Antti Mäkelä 2009-08-03 06:12:04 UTC
NS2 was and is working for me just fine. Obviously I can no longer reinstall it or anything like that since package is gone..
Comment 11 Jeroen Roovers (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-04 02:09:22 UTC
(In reply to comment #9)
> Removed from tree; since apparently no commits was made for progress on this.
> If I removed something that was *working* i'll be reverting this asap.

Please put them back. :)
Comment 12 Jeroen Roovers (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-04 02:14:01 UTC
Oh wait, otcl was removed as well, eh?
Comment 13 Jeroen Roovers (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-08-04 02:16:41 UTC
There are still "daily snapshots" at [1] that might be usable, even if no releases were done in years.


[1] http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/dist/daily/
Comment 14 Justin Lecher (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-11-16 10:19:46 UTC
*** Bug 293364 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 15 Alex HeadHunter Pyattaev 2009-11-16 10:30:42 UTC
People! NS2 is obsolete and sucks, that's true. But, there is a big issue -some people DO NEED extactly NS2 and nothing else, since windows users do not want to migrate to NS3.
So, everyone who is looking for NS2 - use this distribution:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=149743&package_id=169689&release_id=684492 
It is all-in-one package of NS2 and all it's deps, you can install it easily in your homedir or opt. 
PS: sorry for dup bug report.
Comment 16 Antti Mäkelä 2009-11-18 15:36:54 UTC
(In reply to comment #15)
> People! NS2 is obsolete and sucks, that's true. But, there is a big issue -some
> people DO NEED extactly NS2 and nothing else, since windows users do not want
> to migrate to NS3.

  More because NS3 doesn't still have all features of NS2 (such as Mobile IP :))