Violations of COC based off of rules: # Flaming and trolling. What is trolling? You are deemed to be trolling if you make comments intended to provoke an angry response from others. What is flaming? Flaming is the act of sending or posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. # Posting/participating only to incite drama or negativity rather than to tactfully share information. # Being judgmental, mean-spirited or insulting. It is possible to respectfully challenge someone in a way that empowers without being judgemental Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: read below Actual Results: Comments are designed to push people away from gentoo, and it comes from a gentoo developer who should be supporting and working to get changes done and improve things if they believe they are wrong. Instead of talking personally to people he decided to air it in public, which is designed to inflame someone. Examples of poisonous people that only contribute to having a bad working environment includes: * solar shitlists zlin ferdy peper on his ballot <astinus> wolf31o2: agaffney: Seeing as there appears to be an arms race between $new_asshat_distribution developers who're still part of Gentoo and $non_asshats, consider yourself nominated for the non-asshats team on Gentoo Council Fortunately, nobody cares about poisonous people, of course. -Ferdy Latest Gentoo Montly Newsletter is missing something… what is it? Yeah, right. It doesn’t mention the fact that the council missed their metting and they should get the boot. Gentoo is a joke these days. Trying to stuff shit under the carpet is surely not going to work forever. — ferdy I can’t find a different word to describe this situation. I’m usually very proud of being part of Gentoo, even if I don’t agree with every single thing Gentoo does (hey, unlike others, I’m able to live with people disagreeing). But what happened yesterday is really really sad and shameful. The explanation is long but, fortunately, Alexander wrote a nice blag post explaining what happened: Attack on Exherbo.org Machine Do read it. It is important to know the kind of people you work with, and the kind of people you trust certain resources to. I hope Gentoo does something about this. It is of such a bad taste that I don’t want to get started… You can follow the process here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/229895 . I really do hope Gentoo does something.
If you file a complaint against someone, please CC that person. And opening.
I'm entitled to my own opinion and can express it. I don't insult anybody, I just share stuff I consider appropiate. Also, you didn't even try to resolve the issue with me directly. What are you after? Anyway: > Comments are designed to push people away from gentoo, and it comes from a > gentoo developer who should be supporting and working to get changes done and > improve things if they believe they are wrong. They are designed to let people know what kind of stuff I'm exposed to. Are you claiming I'm not working to get changes done and improve things? Hey, I even ran for the Council this time to CHANGE the stuff I don't like. I can't however, stop people from insulting me in public, so the best thing I can do is letting people know what kind of environment _I_ have to work on. > Instead of talking personally to people he decided to air it in public, which > is designed to inflame someone. Again, it is designed to inform people. I have nothing to say to someone publicly attacking or insulting me in public. Stop trying to change the meaning of my words and my intention. - ferdy
That being said. You should, instead, report COC violations from both solar and astinus for trying to provoke me and insulting respectively, instead. - ferdy
(In reply to comment #2) > I'm entitled to my own opinion and can express it. I don't insult anybody, I > just share stuff I consider appropiate. > The above postings/ sayings are all designed to incite negativity against Gentoo. Someone stating they are going to put certain people on the bottom of their ballot is not the same thing at all. Feel free to submit a bug against them if you feel that strongly about it.
So you take logs from closed invite-only channels where only a handful of people can read them (and all of the are Gentoo developers) and share them with general public to help Gentoo?
(In reply to comment #4) > (In reply to comment #2) > > I'm entitled to my own opinion and can express it. I don't insult anybody, I > > just share stuff I consider appropiate. > > > > The above postings/ sayings are all designed to incite negativity against > Gentoo. No they aren't. I know what my intentions where. In any case, I posted a public apology to those that felt like you. Stop trying to decide upon what my intentions where. > > Someone stating they are going to put certain people on the bottom of their > ballot is not the same thing at all. Feel free to submit a bug against them if > you feel that strongly about it. Yeah, it certainly isn't a way to provoke those people to respond. Right? (In reply to comment #5) > So you take logs from closed invite-only channels where only a handful of > people can read them (and all of the are Gentoo developers) and share them with > general public to help Gentoo? I'm not sure what developer-only channel do you mean. I don't think I've been on any of those for years, someone passed that to me, and didn't tell me where it happened. Not sure what that's got to do with this though. - ferdy
Also I request Joshua explains how stating that I'm usually proud of being part of Gentoo is being negative at all. I think this is all a misunderstanding of my own intentions. This could've been solved easily had Joshua tried to talk to me in private. - ferdy
Ferdy, I'd like to arrange a mutually convenient time for you and I to discuss this bug. Tsunam referenced three items he believes to be in violation of the CoC, hence the root of this bug. You in turn stated that you did not attack a person so sharing your opinions seemed appropriate. Comment #5 seems relevant as you yourself admitted to distributing hear say and I'd like to hear your reasoning and intentions. This may not have so easily been resolved had tsunam tried to speak you directly, as much as I wish sometimes two people need assistance to better communicate, however I'm happy to work with you both to seek some understanding and betterment.
As much as I'd like to resolve this as soon as possible: ---8<--- ferdy@woodpecker ~ $ stat -c %y .away 2008-06-27 22:18:28.000000000 +0000 ferdy@woodpecker ~ $ cat .away In Ireland from the 1st to the 29th of July. No internet connection there. ---8<--- (In reply to comment #8) > Ferdy, I'd like to arrange a mutually convenient time for you and I to discuss > this bug. Tsunam referenced three items he believes to be in violation of the > CoC, hence the root of this bug. You in turn stated that you did not attack a > person so sharing your opinions seemed appropriate. Not only I stated that, I actually didn't. > Comment #5 seems relevant as you yourself admitted to distributing hear say and > I'd like to hear your reasoning and intentions. Sure, someone passed those lines to me and I decided to publish them so that people stating that it is the paludis' devs creating a bad environment get a hold of the real thing here. (Shit flying in every direction, unfortunately). I didn't know where they came from, nor I cared. Those are good examples of trolling. Again, this has NOTHING to do with this bug at all. > This may not have so easily been resolved had tsunam tried to speak you > directly, as much as I wish sometimes two people need assistance to better > communicate, however I'm happy to work with you both to seek some understanding > and betterment. Well, I think it is quite easy to understand and take my position once one leaves the paranoia and the Witch Hunt out of the game. Had I given up on Gentoo already, I wouldn't waste time on it. I'm not sure about others, but my time is valuable enough I can't possibly spend it on stuff I don't belive. It really is that easy. Also, people should learn to live with bad publicity and disagreement. What I posted is completely true, I'm not lying, nor am I spreading any kind of FUD, everything can be checked if someone is bothered enough. I reckon most people would prefer if all of us liked the way Gentoo is and if every single comment about Gentoo would be positive and good. But life isn't like that. - ferdy
(In reply to comment #9) > In Ireland from the 1st to the 29th of July. No internet connection there. We can have our discussion when you return, thank you for the information and enjoy your holiday.
Well, I'm kind of back. Still catching up with some stuff though. - ferdy
Ferdy, IRC may be challenging to make initial contact. Please PM or email me so we may arrange a mutual agreeable time to discuss this bug further.
Ferdy and I spoke today, as did tsunam and myself. Tsunam stated that his desired outcome was CoC enforcement, but that did not mean disciplinary action. I discussed with Ferdy how his words could be interpreted by others, he explained what motivated him at the time, and we discussed how it could be handled in the future (devrel escalation where appropriate). The matter is deemed resolved by all parties, as such I'm closing the bug.
