The abuse users are putting up with on amd64 channel is unacceptable. The entire channel can be off topic as long as Kingtaco has no problem with the topic that is being spoken. Once the topic is addressed he does not like he retaliated against the users kicking and ban'ng them if they do not agree with him. If someone can show me where #gentoo-amd64 is on topic 50% of the time I would agree with his call but channel is 75% of the time off topic. Perfect example of this is talk of drug activity, devs join in the convo and it is not off topic, if a dev is not in the convo it is off topic according the the guidelines Kingtaco is going by. Logs will be attached showing full details in just a min Reproducible: Always Actual Results: I spoke with marineam about it and he see no problem with how kingtaco has addressed the problem with channel being off topic. Expected Results: bahavior from a dev is to be respectable and resolve a conflict instead of esculating the conflict.
Created attachment 107233 [details] log of #gentoo-amd64 showing the off topic issue that is being blown out of proportion
Created attachment 107235 [details] convo with ombudsman
Created attachment 107238 [details] updated log showing retalation for filling a devrel bug about Kingtaco
I am not obligated to keep the channel on topic. If such topics offend you, don't join. At the same time, I am the channel owner. When I desire, I direct the channel to remain on topic. This is at my discretion and the other amd64 members, whom I chose to give this privilege to. When I saw the channel off topic, I gently reminded people to get back on topic. You blew it out of proportion. You then started acting in a way to undermine my authority(the authority that comes with owning a channel) I kicked you as a warning. You then further goaded me with empty threats of "going to the ombudsman" You are banned from #-gentoo-amd64, #gentoo-amd64-dev. If I suspect you are abusing gothgirls account again, I will ban her from these two channels as well.
1. #gentoo-amd64* channels aren't developer relations territory (we only deal with #gentoo-dev directly) 2. I don't see why asking you (and others) to stop talking about masturbation is wrong. The channel might be off-topic a large part of the time but that's not the same as not having any limits. Even if the limits aren't always enforced for whatever reason, everybody still have to obey by them when asked by an op. 3. If you want to talk about completely off-topic things such as this you're free to do so in ##otw.
Okay folks. Not like you guys are going to belive me here. But I'm going to voice this for the record anyways. Anarchy has NOT logged in anywhere as me tonight. The comments posted in #gentoo-amd64 were strictly from me in an attempt to state MY opinion as to what was going on. There have been many a nights when conversations much worse than what was being said tonight have transpired in that channel and nobody has said anything at all about them. For some odd reason though, tonight, something was said about them. KingTaco accusing Anarchy of doing something he hasn't done shows that he has something personal here against him. There are many indicators as to when Anarchy is misusing my account (spelling being a major one here, correct sentence formation is another. I may not be perfect on those, but I try a lot harder than he does most of the time.) My comments on that channel were punctuated as best I can recall, the spelling was as proper as I could make it. There was *NO* reason to boast out immediately that it was Anarchy and not myself. That was a personal thing in an attempt to discredit this report and any action being taken by Anarchy against KingTaco.
(In reply to comment #6) > Okay folks. Not like you guys are going to belive me here. But I'm going to > voice this for the record anyways. Anarchy has NOT logged in anywhere as me > tonight. The comments posted in #gentoo-amd64 were strictly from me in an > attempt to state MY opinion as to what was going on. There have been many a > nights when conversations much worse than what was being said tonight have > transpired in that channel and nobody has said anything at all about them. For > some odd reason though, tonight, something was said about them. KingTaco > accusing Anarchy of doing something he hasn't done shows that he has something > personal here against him. There are many indicators as to when Anarchy is > misusing my account (spelling being a major one here, correct sentence > formation is another. I may not be perfect on those, but I try a lot harder > than he does most of the time.) My comments on that channel were punctuated as > best I can recall, the spelling was as proper as I could make it. There was > *NO* reason to boast out immediately that it was Anarchy and not myself. That > was a personal thing in an attempt to discredit this report and any action > being taken by Anarchy against KingTaco. > It doesn't matter whether that was you or anarchy. Thing is that KingTaco asked everybody to get back on topic and anarchy decided it should be a general chat channel where all topics are allowed and told kingtaco so. (Un)fortunately anarchy doesn't decide what's on and off topic in #gentoo-amd64 and the ops there have every right to enforce some limits. As long as it's done in a reasonable way (which I think it was from reading logs) I don't see any problem with that and I'm not going to do anything further about this. PS. I think it's rather bad behaviour stating your opinion (that it was about anarchy and not general off-topic'ness) like you did and immediately leave the channel again. If you want to help you could at least give people a chance to respond.
(In reply to comment #7) > It doesn't matter whether that was you or anarchy. Thing is that KingTaco asked > everybody to get back on topic and anarchy decided it should be a general chat > channel where all topics are allowed and told kingtaco so. > Apparently it matters to some otherwise the comments about him misusing my account would not have been made. > (Un)fortunately anarchy doesn't decide what's on and off topic in #gentoo-amd64 > and the ops there have every right to enforce some limits. As long as it's done > in a reasonable way (which I think it was from reading logs) I don't see any > problem with that and I'm not going to do anything further about this. > > PS. I think it's rather bad behaviour stating your opinion (that it was about > anarchy and not general off-topic'ness) like you did and immediately leave the > channel again. If you want to help you could at least give people a chance to > respond. > Not that anyone bothers to care, but I was forced offline by a net issue and the only way for me to get BACK online was to reboot to using osx as linux isn't playing nicely with my router tonight.
(In reply to comment #6) > Okay folks. Not like you guys are going to belive me here. But I'm going to > voice this for the record anyways. Anarchy has NOT logged in anywhere as me > tonight. The comments posted in #gentoo-amd64 were strictly from me in an > attempt to state MY opinion as to what was going on. There have been many a > nights when conversations much worse than what was being said tonight have > transpired in that channel and nobody has said anything at all about them. For > some odd reason though, tonight, something was said about them. KingTaco > accusing Anarchy of doing something he hasn't done shows that he has something > personal here against him. There are many indicators as to when Anarchy is > misusing my account (spelling being a major one here, correct sentence > formation is another. I may not be perfect on those, but I try a lot harder > than he does most of the time.) My comments on that channel were punctuated as > best I can recall, the spelling was as proper as I could make it. There was > *NO* reason to boast out immediately that it was Anarchy and not myself. That > was a personal thing in an attempt to discredit this report and any action > being taken by Anarchy against KingTaco. > No where have I accused anarchy of abusing your account. I said I suspected it; I did, I do, and I will continue to in the future. When we had to deal with anarchys abusive behavior in the past, I talked to you and you would not or could not secure your accounts from him. I have no reason to believe the situation has changed. The very fact that you accuse me of holding a grudge is inflammatory, offensive and absurd. If you truly believe yourself, you're welcome to resign.
So with having absolutely ZERO proof you still stick by thi?. You have nothing proving it was him, you will never have anything proving it was him because it was NOT him. Despite the fact that I am wasting my time and energy here, I feel it has to be said. Kloeri, See, this is why I said what I said in private. I knew that this is how I would have to continue as a developer. Having someone constantly lurking over my shoulder and judge every move I make in contempt simply because he does not like my husband will NOT in any form or fashion make working for Gentoo a pleasureable experience. How can you expect a dev to want to do ANYTHING for this project knowing the kind of judgement and possible harrassment they will be subjected to if they happen to make one tiny mistake?? I can just imagine the hell I will go through if I happen to slip just once... Heaven forbid that I make a typo in one of my commits.. "OH no look, anarchy's (ab)using her account again omg let's ban her now"
Ok, I'm going to close this bug. As I've already explained I don't see any wrongdoings on Mikes part when he banned Jory from #-amd64 and neither did the ombudsman (Thanks Marineam for your quick help). And for the fight between Kathryn and Mike over Mikes suspicion that Anarchy might be able to abuse Kathryns accounts I suggest solving that in private. Continuing this in public is likely only going to increase the already heated discussion. My take is that if Kathryn explained that she's taking basic precautions against abuse (locking terminals etc.) and Mike gives Kathryn a little slack it could all be solved but I don't see how Developer Relations can help. We can't ask Mike to forget his suspicion (what would that achieve anyway?) and we can't really help Kathryn be happy with such suspicions. The only thing devrel can really do is ask both parties to reconsider their harsh stand on this and see if you can't come to some kind of understanding between you. Feel free to poke me (preferably in private) if any of you feel I can help any further.
