Is this considered appropriate behaviour for a user rep? As a user, I'm highly disappointed... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=3573591#3573591: cokehabit> they did something good, seeing as you have a big "retired" bit above your former dev status. We also have devrel to than for that though ciaranm> Huh? The council had nothing to do with that. cokehabit> oh well, we cant share the congratulations everywhere http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3573618.html#3573618, referring to me: cokehabit> i find that he is considered more of a nuisance than a user http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=3586879#3586879, referring to me: devsk> from urbandictionary.com, troll in noun form : "An old, unattractive gay man who hits on young men, and cannot seem to understand that they want nothing to do with him." ... :lol: cokehabit> yup, thats him I've spoken to George about this, and when I asked whether he'd consider retracting his remarks and apologising, he said "of course i'm not", so as per userrel's instructions I'm escalating this to a bug (to devrel, because bugzilla won't let me assign to userrel...).
close but no cigar :)
Yeah, I don't have bugzilla privs to change assignee or the visibility ticky, and there's no default template that goes to userrel. Maybe there should be :)
Locking until userrel can inquire further.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3588868.html#3588868, about Plasmaroo's changes to the devmanual: cokehabit> From what i see by reading it again he seems to have cleared it up from the mess it was in So apparently the devmanual used to be a huge mess, and now it isn't. I'd be interested to hear how he backs that claim up, considering the scope of Plasmaroo's changes -- or is he just badmouthing something that happened to be largely my work without knowing anything about what happened? Unfortunately amne locked the thread without allowing George to clarify his position. Perhaps he could respond here instead?
(In reply to comment #4) > Unfortunately amne locked the thread without allowing George to clarify his > position. Perhaps he could respond here instead? The thread was locked due to not improving after a warning from me. I'd advise anyone involved with this bug to read this thread from the beginning, there's a lot of trolling from both sides involved. Btw what finally made me lock this thread is the slanderous comment about plasmaroo in a thread he isn't even participating or probably reading. I already told ciaranm in another thread that the forums are not the place for his personal agendas and badmouthing people. While cokehabit's behaviour may not be perfect, this really feels like abusing the whole system to me.
(In reply to comment #5) > Btw what finally made me lock this thread is the slanderous comment about > plasmaroo in a thread he isn't even participating or probably reading. For it to be slander it has to be untrue. Incidentally, I'm not blaming you for locking the thread. I agree it wasn't going anywhere, since certain people seem intent upon ignoring basic facts about the reality of ebuild creating.
(In reply to comment #6) > (In reply to comment #5) > > Btw what finally made me lock this thread is the slanderous comment about > > plasmaroo in a thread he isn't even participating or probably reading. > > For it to be slander it has to be untrue. > > Incidentally, I'm not blaming you for locking the thread. I agree it wasn't > going anywhere, since certain people seem intent upon ignoring basic facts > about the reality of ebuild creating. > 1) initial issues, the third reply is in my opinion null and void. That could be taken to be about you (as the original poster was probably implying. However cokehabits reply could be a general hehe yeah that's a troll. As far as slander, I would consider that slander (I know you'll be shocked I'm taking a point different from you). You are saying that he entirely removed you from it and that is not true. To quote the devmanual itself. Editors Tim Yamin <plasmaroo@gentoo.org> Editor Large portions of the handbook were originally written by Ciaran McCreesh. Right on the front page, that doesn't take anything away from you having written "large portions" of it. As well, you stating that all he did was add his name is false. Both he and Mark (Halcy0n) wrote portion's, edited and added some content to the documentation. The slander comes in right at that point that by your own wording, "Plasmaroo's only contribution to it has been to stick his name on it in big letters and hide away the names of those who did the work" Again I must wonder if you talked to people before coming and filing a bug for as far as I'm concerned is attention.
I quote the licence: "at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such other comparable authorship credit." So, uh, the font size is extremely relevant. The devmanual issue has already been discussed on the -dev list (where original authors other than myself have also complained), and requests to have it fixed have been ignored. However, this bug is not for Plasmaroo's misbehaviour, it's for George's. Please stop trying to divert things away from it.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-499595.html Apparently he is proud of being a troll.
ciaranm, I have a suggestion - stop wasting other people's time. Reading through the history of your posts on forums.g.o., tons of people could file a userrel bug about you with _way_ more merit than this one has. TBH, if you can't stand free speech hitting your ego, and if you can't stand that people have a bad opinion of you (based on their past experience and interaction with you) - that's not a userrel problem, that's purely your own fight. Don't pull other people into this.
(In reply to comment #10) > ciaranm, I have a suggestion - stop wasting other people's time. Reading > through the history of your posts on forums.g.o., tons of people could file a > userrel bug about you with _way_ more merit than this one has. Clearly absurd. I hold no role in Gentoo, so userrel have no jurisdiction over me.
(In reply to comment #11) > Clearly absurd. I hold no role in Gentoo, so userrel have no jurisdiction over > me. Clearly missed the point. So, to re-iterate - you are not an "innocent bystander" here, and you can pretty much blame yourself for how other people speak of you.
Locking to userrel (uh sorta, via devrel as userrel has no bugzie abilities of our own, so cc' relevant userrel members).
Christel, Antarus, Tsunam, jmbsvicetto, hparker, tsunam were present on IRC for a meeting to address this issue. We have reached a resolution; it will require authoring some documents which will need to happen over the next couple of days. Once the authoring is complete those documents will be presented and this bug will be closed pending further problems.
(In reply to comment #14) > Christel, Antarus, Tsunam, jmbsvicetto, hparker, tsunam were present on IRC Yes we even cloned Tsunam ;)
The respective parties have received their respective notices about this issue. Forum-mods; if the issues involving cokehabit continue (particuarly of interest are issues involving cokehabit and people other than Ciaran) please re-open so that we can re-evaluate the situation. I implore both parties to try and remain civil with each other.
Reopening, since apparently bug 154082 comment 26 isn't enough of a complaint. From http://cokehabit.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=9, pasting content here given George's past habit of editing posts after people complain about them: --- Monday, 06 November 2006 The joys of poems Written to the tune of "I'm a little teapot" I'm a little ciaranm, short and stout, open my mouth and... ...shit comes out I'm the mini-ciaranm Damn i'm ugly Guess my name it's ess pee bee --- This is entirely uncalled-for, unprovoked, offensive and inappropriate (and ungrammatical, but that's a different issue...). (To heed off one possible objection, it's well established that things written on blogs of people with roles in Gentoo are grounds for a severe bitchslapping.)
There is already a bug open for him. I'm sure if you ask spb nicely he will even send you the comments people post while you are without access to it.
(In reply to comment #18) > There is already a bug open for him. I'm sure if you ask spb nicely he will > even send you the comments people post while you are without access to it. Except that you removed me from the Cc: on that bug, so my complaint there can't be discussed. And unlike some people around here, I don't go getting people to forward on details of private bugs, mailing lists or IRC channels.
Then be patient, you will be re-added once cokehabit responds.
