Here comes our latest recruit: Name: Ahmed Ammar Nick: b33fc0d3 Current email: b33fc0d3@gmail.com He's been an amd64 AT (so already has done the ebuild quiz) for some time now and would like to rejoin the amd64 team ;). I'd play the mentor.
Okay! I'll take this one.
Yay, I'm taken
Sent quiz answers to recruiters@gentoo.org.
Any chance you can use a nick with a bit more professionalism to it. l33t speak is not good for our image.
Sorry but b33fc0d3 has always been my alias and it's not l33t speak, it's just one of the few words you can write in full in hex.
b33fc0d3 seems to have little too much of concern about attitude. I'm afraid recruiting him will lead to more "please change your attitude, please be nice" flames on our mailing lists. Herre is an exampl: <ciaranm> that's ok, paludis won't compile with as-needed <ferdy> heh <b33fc0d3> maybe paludis wont <ciaranm> which is fine, because as-needed's behaviour is fundamentally broken <b33fc0d3> but the rest of the system will <b33fc0d3> ciaranm: i think you shouldn't take such a hard stance on this issue <ciaranm> i think you should read up on how your compiler and linker work <b33fc0d3> god <beu> I AM YOUR GOF!!*&#^#&@*#! <ciaranm> now, if you come up with a use case that doesn't involve go faster stripes, i might start to care <b33fc0d3> they were examples <b33fc0d3> not the ONLY reasons <b33fc0d3> and being flamed shows what your attitude is <ciaranm> so, come up with some examples that aren't retarded Then same discussion, bit later: <ferdy> b33fc0d3: there is no problem, you just restart <Kugelfang> b33fc0d3: this is no support channel, this is a development channel <Kugelfang> and what ferdy said <b33fc0d3> Kugelfang: imo this is a dev issue <Kugelfang> as we said, no. <b33fc0d3> restarting a -e is the solution then ... <geoman-campus> your opinion is clearly the minority here ;) <Kugelfang> b33fc0d3: exact <Kugelfang> geoman-campus: apropos opinions! -> sekrit, i need a mail <ferdy> b33fc0d3: there is no solution, because there is no problem... when something fails... you restart the whole proccess. The same you'd do if a package fails to merge <b33fc0d3> adding happy faces behind snarky comments is just wrong. ... These little snippets show clearly that Ahmed is not ready for serious technical discussion, without resorting to his feelings.
To say my side of the story, I was completely mis-understood in that discussion and was just trying to defend myself. christel | i have to say that i dont see how anyone in here flamed or in any way were rude b33fc0d3, if anything you were the one coming in here and showing an attitude and appearing to make demands of the paludis devs b33fc0d3 | i appologose to everyone if it came out like 'demands' b33fc0d3 | appologise*
The ability to recognise and apologize is a good sign. Just the fact that need to "defend" oneself came up, and that subject of "flaming" came up - is very bad sign. Given many recent events inside Gentoo, I'd go towards "better safe then sorry" approach, and would like to see some proof over period of time, that incidents like that will not occur again. One such good proof (as far as I am concerned), would be cool-headed discussion on mailing list, where Ahmed would be clearly answering arguments (without repeating himself), and _not_ reacting to any of presentation aspects of any other discussion paticipants. And if he could also show some signs of following formal logic at the same time, it would be even better.
Ilya, Interesting to see that you can still be negative after someone has apologized. I am cool-headed in discussions but not when I am being bombarded with 'ricer' comments, and yes I do need to become more restrained and will try to do so. I do follow logical reasoning and for that precise reason this discussion began. I think we have got off on the wrong foot, and should either make an attempt to understand each other or agree to disagree.
Ahmed, I have noting against personally you. Witht that in mind, let's look at your answer. (In reply to comment #9) > Ilya, > > Interesting to see that you can still be negative after someone has apologized. As you may have noticed, I recognized the fact you apologized. > I am cool-headed in discussions but not when I am being bombarded with 'ricer' > comments, And, again, as you might have noticed, that is exactly what I am concerned with. > and yes I do need to become more restrained and will try to do so. Good. > I > do follow logical reasoning and for that precise reason this discussion began. Following logical reasoning (when we are talking about formal logic) means 1. You answer arguments. 2. You answer on the same basis as original argument was presented 3. You do not repeat yourself. 4. You quickly recognise need to find a common definition for terms. Let's take this little exchange between you and me in this bug. iluxa: There is an issue where Ahmed takes too sensitive to form of argument presentation Ahmed: I am coolheaded in discussion, but not when I feel presentation is aggressive. This violates #2 - you changed basis of the argument. > I think we have got off on the wrong foot, and should either make an attempt to > understand each other or agree to disagree. There are no right or wrong feet with me. You either are logical, or you are not. You either retract to emotions or you don't. You either are concerned with subject, or with people that present said subject. And at last, you either know the difference between criticism of your ideas and criticism of yourself, or you don't. Failing any of above endangers project.
What channels did those snippets come from? #gentoo-dev? because I don't see it in my scrollback. If it was for another project, I'm not overly concerned, unless he was trolling, which it doesn't look like.
#paludis freenode
As far as I know, paludis isn't recruiting him. So I stand by: if he wasn't trolling it's not completely relevant. However, iluxa's concern is *not* invalid. I would encourage you (Ahmed) to take a cooler approach to discussions.
(In reply to comment #13) > As far as I know, paludis isn't recruiting him. So I stand by: if he wasn't > trolling it's not completely relevant. However, iluxa's concern is *not* > invalid. I would encourage you (Ahmed) to take a cooler approach to > discussions. I agree, and I apologize again.
Ahmed and I spent around an hour today going through parts of his end quiz, I have asked that he spend some more time with his mentor as I do not feel comfortable that he is quite ready to become a developer yet. We have agreed that he will work with blubb a bit more and to rendevouz in approximately four weeks time.
Closing as no communication from Ahmed.
(In reply to comment #16) > Closing as no communication from Ahmed. Sorry got distracted with real life (last year of university etc...). I'd love to re-open this bug but I've lost my mentor (blubb) to the real world!
(In reply to comment #17) > (In reply to comment #16) > > Closing as no communication from Ahmed. > > Sorry got distracted with real life (last year of university etc...). I'd love > to re-open this bug but I've lost my mentor (blubb) to the real world! > Then you need to find yourself a new mentor.
I'm willing to be Ahmed's mentor.
Whoops; not Gnome's bugzilla, no auto-CC
Sent EOM quiz to recruiters.
(In reply to comment #21) > Sent EOM quiz to recruiters. > I see you have been pinging me every once in a while. I suggest you write me an email on when you are available and we can have a scheduled time for the review.
(In reply to comment #22) > > I see you have been pinging me every once in a while. I suggest you write me an > email on when you are available and we can have a scheduled time for the > review. > We had a time schedule for yesterday but Ahmed wasn't able to make it so giving this more time as he is still actively pursuing the matter.
(In reply to comment #23) > > We had a time schedule for yesterday but Ahmed wasn't able to make it so giving > this more time as he is still actively pursuing the matter. > It seems we did review the quizzes last fall and I asked Ahmed to sent reviewed versions of the quizzes to recruiters and then it got stuck in a limbo.
After iterating over the answers with Ahmed, they are now in good enough shape so I set him up. What we did: - LDAP - gentoo-core - bugzilla - cvs/svn groups on cvs.gentoo.org - IRC-cloak - announcement - #gentoo-dev channel access - sent you your LDAP/mail password via encrypted mail What you need to do: - subscribe to mailing lists with @gentoo.org address - request forum status bump in #gentoo-forums or by mail to forum-mods@gentoo.org (if you have a forums count) - send yourself mail to create .maildir - add yourself to mail aliases ( like java@gentoo.org ) see /var/mail/alias on dev.gentoo.org - ask team leads to add yourself to herds.xml for the herds you want to join or do it yourself if you have the permission to do so - set lat and lon attributes in LDAP if you want others to know where exactly you are located - set gentooIM if you want people to be able to contact you via other means than email For the mentor: - You are also responsible for the commits of your recruit during the first month so you should watch the commits of your recruit via gentoo-commits mailing list.
reopening. He didn't get gentooAccess lines before, I added them, but there's no sshPublicKey either, and I don't have any key to put in for him.
(In reply to comment #26) > reopening. He didn't get gentooAccess lines before, I added them, but there's > no sshPublicKey either, and I don't have any key to put in for him. Sorry, I'm still quite busy moving and settling in but I take it you need my public ssh key? isn't that in my homedir @ dev.gentoo.org?
There is a sshPublicKey entry for Ahmed in LDAP so everything should be in order here.
- Last (viewable) bugzilla activity: 246518: 2008-11-13 09:15:59 - Last CVS activity: 3.5 months ago at 12:49 on Sep 24, 2008 First mail sent today.
In his current situation (no internet at home) Ahmed was forced to reduce his activity in Gentoo and move his work elsewhere (like overlays). It should resolve itself in the coming weeks. Bug closed.
Reopening since Ahmed hasn't resumed his activity as promised.
Ahmed, as we never got to a final decision in our IRC talk and you haven't contacted me further, shall we proceed with moving you to staffer and revoking gentoo-x86 access or shall we move forward with the retirement?
Yeah we seem to be in pretty different timezones, I'd prefer being converted to a staffer, I'll help on mailing lists/bugs/overlays.
Let's proceed with move to staffer then.
Jorge, I've now lost access to dev.gentoo.org? Can I please retain that + e-mail?
That shouldn't have happened as this bug has not been handed to the infra team yet. I'll check what's going on.
The logs say the account works fine: Jun 10 17:24:13 woodpecker sshd[9865]: Accepted publickey for b33fc0d3 from 196.202.XX.XX port 57169 ssh2 Jun 10 17:24:35 woodpecker sshd[9883]: Received disconnect from 196.202.XX.XX: 11: disconnected by user Please provide more detail about your problem, there's certainly nothing changed.
(In reply to comment #37) > The logs say the account works fine: > > Jun 10 17:24:13 woodpecker sshd[9865]: Accepted publickey for b33fc0d3 from > 196.202.XX.XX port 57169 ssh2 > Jun 10 17:24:35 woodpecker sshd[9883]: Received disconnect from 196.202.XX.XX: > 11: disconnected by user Nevermind, turned out to be a local issue.
(In reply to comment #34) > Let's proceed with move to staffer then. Actually, Can we put this on hold? I should have more free time now and I think i can push some embedded/arm stuff into gentoo-x86.
I see after another month, your only commit was to add yourself to the arm and embedded teams. Are you planning to do any commits soon?
Another month and half passed by without any change. Seeing that in the last year your only commit was to add yourself to an herd, I'm forced to conclude that you really have no use for your commit privileges in the Portage tree. Let's proceed with the retirement then. Ahmed, thank you for all your past hard work and if you ever find the time to get back, just reopen this bug.
(In reply to comment #41) > Another month and half passed by without any change. > > Seeing that in the last year your only commit was to add yourself to an herd, > I'm forced to conclude that you really have no use for your commit privileges > in the Portage tree. > > Let's proceed with the retirement then. Yes, this is only fair. Can I be switched to staffer, I do help on IRC/mailing lists.
Usual infra-retire done. users need to be checked against *.dev.g.o machines still. forums, planet: your bug.
Forums done.
No blogs account No planet/universe configs
fixed gitosis email and moved to exdevs group
Retirement processing: * gentoo-dev access removed and gentoo cloak removed * processed metadata.xml entries * no herd membership * no project pages entries * all bugs reassigned * no group membership on cvs.gentoo.org * no active account on devboxes. Thanks to armin76
