As the lookup path for xorg-x11 (as of `man X` says) looks at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 (XFILESEARCHPATH), there is no possibility for X to access locale specific parts under /etc/X11/{lang}/app-defaults. Example of the problem is MoTV, which uses /etc/X11/{de,fr,fs,it...}/app-defaults for its locale-dependent strings. But X knows only about /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults, which is a symlink to /etc/X11/app-defaults. I think the way how to do this correctly is to modify the search path of X for searching /etc/X11 instead of only /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 by default. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: Portage 2.0.51.22-r2 (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.3.6, glibc-2.3.5-r1, 2.6.13.1 i686) ================================================================= System uname: 2.6.13.1 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz Gentoo Base System version 1.6.13 ccache version 2.3 [enabled] dev-lang/python: 2.3.5-r2 sys-apps/sandbox: 1.2.12 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r6 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6 sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r10 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.18-r1 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.11-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86" AUTOCLEAN="yes" CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref /usr/share/config /usr/share/texmf/dvipdfm/config/ /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/platex/config/ /usr/share/texmf/xdvi/ /var/qmail/control" CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d" CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles" FEATURES="autoconfig ccache distlocks sandboc sandbox sfperms strict userpriv usersandbox" GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo" LANG="cs_CZ.ISO-8859-2" LC_ALL="cs_CZ.ISO-8859-2" LINGUAS="cz cs en" MAKEOPTS="-j2" PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages" PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp" PORTDIR="/usr/portage" PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage" SYNC="rsync://147.32.127.222/gentoo-portage" USE="x86 X a52 aac aalib acpi alsa apache2 arts audiofile avi bash-completion bdf berkdb bitmap-fonts browserplugin ccache cdda cddb cdparanoia cdr cpudetection crypt cups curl dbus dga dhcp divx4linux dpms dvd dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode esd extensions fam fbcon ffmpeg firefox flac font-server foomaticdb fortran freetype ftp gd gdbm gif gimp gimpprint gphoto2 gpm gs gstreamer gtk2 hal iconv icq ieee1394 imagemagick imlib ipv6 java javascript jikes jp2 jpeg jpeg2k junit kde kdeenablefinal kdexdeltas kqemu lame libcaca libg++ libwww lirc lzo lzw mad maildir matroska mikmod mjpeg mmx mng motif mozilla moznocompose moznoirc moznomail mozsvg mp3 mpeg mplayer mysql ncurses network nls no-old-linux nosrc nptl odbc offensive ogg oggvorbis openexr opengl oscar oss pam pam_chroot pam_console pam_timestamp pccts pcmcia pcre pdflib perl php png pnp posix postgres ppds python qt quicktime quotas readline real rtc samba scanner sdl sharedmem slang sox spell sql sqlite sse sse2 ssl stroke svg svga tcltk tcpd tetex tga theora threads tidy tiff transcode truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb userlocales v4l v4l2 vcd vim-with-x vorbis wifi win32codecs wmf xine xinerama xml2 xmms xosd xpm xprint xrandr xscreensaver xv xvid xvmc yv12 zlib zvbi video_cards_radeon linguas_cz linguas_cs linguas_en userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc" Unset: ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LDFLAGS
This sounds like an upstream feature request, so I'm marking it as such. Please file a bug at bugs.freedesktop.org, in the xorg product. Then post the URL here. Thanks!
Only one question: It is xorg-x11, who moved /usr/X11R6/lib/app-defaults into /etc/X11/app-defaults and created a symlink for it? If yes, I'll create new feature request. Thanks.
I mean it was not the ebuild (and Gentoo), who made this change. I'm I right?
Although the recent ebuilds have moved existing installation structions from the X11R6 directories to their present locations, this was only to prepare the way for the directory choices made by upstream. In short, Gentoo's X-related directories are not Gentoo-specific, they're all from upstream.
Thanks for the explanation. Added a bug at freedesktop.org: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4626
Much thanks.
Resolved also on bugs.freedesktop.org: We've agreed that the app-defaults should still be installed in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults, as was done before. All the apps in Xorg CVS head are now fixed to install there again.
It looks like we've configured the path to be /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults, except a few applications (notably xterm and openmotif) do stuff in /etc/X11. Does this break anything currently?
This is what I figured out with XTerm-204 with and without removed libdir settings in its ebuild for X.org-7.0.0_rc2: 1) /etc/X11/app-defaults and /etc/X11/{LANGUAGE}/app-defaults are used, when present 2) /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults and /usr/lib/X11/{LANGUAGE}/app-defaults are used as well So the only difference for X.org-7 is where app-defaults are normally installed. Nothing more. /etc/X11/app-defaults and /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults are searched (in this order) anyway (for XTerm at least).
I'm re-opening here. Upstream's new paths should take effect the next time we update the respective tarballs. Probably won't happen before then since nothing is actually broken by modular's current paths, if I understand your comments correctly.
(In reply to comment #10) > I'm re-opening here. Upstream's new paths should take effect the next time we > update the respective tarballs. Probably won't happen before then since nothing > is actually broken by modular's current paths, if I understand your comments > correctly. Any update, as all timestamps for Xorg7.0 have 21-Dec-2005, nearly one full month since Joshua's respons?
I cannot confirm anything now as I do not have my Gentoo computer available for at least 14 days. Sorry. The question is if all ebuilds (xterm for example) installs things into /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults dir and not info /etc/X11/app-defaults.
A brief look (equery) told me that x11-libs/motif-config-0.10 installs files into /etc/X11/app-defaults.
I'm still not sure whether the correct location is /etc/X11/app-defaults or /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. (With the modular xorg, /usr/X11 -> /usr) Please see bug 106173, which corrected from the latter to the former for xosview. Bug 133881 seems to ask the same question for xlockmore.
(In reply to comment #14) > I'm still not sure whether the correct location is /etc/X11/app-defaults or > /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. (With the modular xorg, /usr/X11 -> /usr) > Please see bug 106173, which corrected from the latter to the former for > xosview. Bug 133881 seems to ask the same question for xlockmore. Maybe Donnie Berkholz knows more. I found one xorg bug, but I do not understand, what is the result... Just for reference: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5051
In modular X, packages should install their app-defaults files to /usr/share/X11/app-defaults/. /etc/X11/app-defaults/ is the location for system administrator overrides to these defaults.
