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Bug 650086 - sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1 - libz.so.1.2.11: undefined reference to `memcpy@GLIBC_2.14'
Summary: sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1 - libz.so.1.2.11: undefined reference to `memcpy@GLIB...
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Gentoo/Alt
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Prefix Support (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal normal (vote)
Assignee: Gentoo Prefix
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Reported: 2018-03-10 11:28 UTC by Martin Mokrejš
Modified: 2018-05-29 10:11 UTC (History)
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2018-03-10 11:31 UTC, Martin Mokrejš
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2018-03-10 11:31 UTC, Martin Mokrejš
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2018-03-10 11:31 UTC, Martin Mokrejš
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2018-03-10 11:32 UTC, Martin Mokrejš
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2018-03-10 15:25 UTC, Martin Mokrejš
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Description Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 11:28:26 UTC
Hi,
  when bootstrapping Gentoo::RAP instance with ./bootstrap-rap.sh I hit the following:

 * zlib-1.2.11.tar.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ...                        [ ok ]
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking zlib-1.2.11.tar.gz to /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work
>>> Source unpacked in /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work
>>> Preparing source in /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11 ...
 * Applying zlib-1.2.11-fix-deflateParams-usage.patch ...
 [ ok ]
>>> Source prepared.
>>> Configuring source in /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11 ...
 * abi_x86_64.amd64: running multilib-minimal_abi_src_configure
/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/environment: line 2526: /apps/gentoo/usr/share/gnuconfig/config.sub: No such file or directory
/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/configure --shared --prefix=/apps/gentoo/usr --libdir=/apps/gentoo/usr/lib64
Using x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ar
Using x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ranlib
Using x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-nm
Checking for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc...
Checking for shared library support...
Building shared library libz.so.1.2.11 with x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc.
Checking for size_t... Yes.
Checking for off64_t... Yes.
Checking for fseeko... Yes.
Checking for strerror... Yes.
Checking for unistd.h... Yes.
Checking for stdarg.h... Yes.
Checking whether to use vs[n]printf() or s[n]printf()... using vs[n]printf().
Checking for vsnprintf() in stdio.h... Yes.
Checking for return value of vsnprintf()... Yes.
Checking for attribute(visibility) support... Yes.
>>> Source configured.
>>> Compiling source in /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11 ...
 * abi_x86_64.amd64: running multilib-minimal_abi_src_compile
make SHELL=/apps/gentoo/tmp/bin/bash -j104 
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -I. -I/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/ -c -o example.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/test/example.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o adler32.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/adler32.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o crc32.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/crc32.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o deflate.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/deflate.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o infback.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/infback.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o inffast.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/inffast.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o inflate.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/inflate.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o inftrees.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/inftrees.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o trees.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/trees.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o zutil.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/zutil.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o compress.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/compress.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o uncompr.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/uncompr.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o gzclose.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzclose.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o gzlib.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzlib.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o gzread.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzread.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -c -o gzwrite.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzwrite.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -I. -I/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/ -c -o minigzip.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/test/minigzip.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -I. -I/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/ -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -c -o example64.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/test/example.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -I. -I/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/ -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -c -o minigzip64.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/test/minigzip.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/adler32.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/adler32.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/crc32.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/crc32.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/deflate.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/deflate.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/infback.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/infback.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/inflate.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/inflate.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/inffast.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/inffast.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/inftrees.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/inftrees.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/trees.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/trees.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/zutil.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/zutil.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/compress.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/compress.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/uncompr.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/uncompr.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/gzclose.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzclose.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/gzlib.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzlib.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/gzread.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzread.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -include zconf.h -DPIC -c -o objs/gzwrite.o /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/gzwrite.c
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ar rc libz.a adler32.o crc32.o deflate.o infback.o inffast.o inflate.o inftrees.o trees.o zutil.o compress.o uncompr.o gzclose.o gzlib.o gzread.o gzwrite.o 
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o example example.o -L. libz.a
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o minigzip minigzip.o -L. libz.a
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o example64 example64.o -L. libz.a
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o minigzip64 minigzip64.o -L. libz.a
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libz.so.1,--version-script,/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11/zlib.map -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o libz.so.1.2.11 adler32.lo crc32.lo deflate.lo infback.lo inffast.lo inflate.lo inftrees.lo trees.lo zutil.lo compress.lo uncompr.lo gzclose.lo gzlib.lo gzread.lo gzwrite.lo  -lc -L/apps/gentoo/usr/lib64 -Wl,--dynamic-linker=/apps/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
rm -f libz.so libz.so.1
ln -s libz.so.1.2.11 libz.so
ln -s libz.so.1.2.11 libz.so.1
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o examplesh example.o -L. libz.so.1.2.11
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -O2 -pipe -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN -o minigzipsh minigzip.o -L. libz.so.1.2.11
libz.so.1.2.11: undefined reference to `memcpy@GLIBC_2.14'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [examplesh] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
libz.so.1.2.11: undefined reference to `memcpy@GLIBC_2.14'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [minigzipsh] Error 1
 * ERROR: sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1::gentoo failed (compile phase):
 *   emake failed
 * 
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info '=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1::gentoo'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv '=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1::gentoo'`.
 * The complete build log is located at '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11-abi_x86_64.amd64'
 * S: '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11'

>>> Failed to emerge sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1, Log file:

>>>  '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/build.log'

 * Messages for package sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1:

 * ERROR: sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1::gentoo failed (compile phase):
 *   emake failed
 * 
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info '=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1::gentoo'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv '=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1::gentoo'`.
 * The complete build log is located at '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11-abi_x86_64.amd64'
 * S: '/apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/work/zlib-1.2.11'

Hmmmm, I was already afraid of this to happen.  Running
  /apps/gentoo/bin/bash ./bootstrap-rap.sh "/apps/gentoo" stage3
somewhere failed :(  Details might be found in the build log:
  /apps/gentoo/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1/temp/build.log
I have no clue, really.  Please find friendly folks in #gentoo-prefix on
irc.gentoo.org, gentoo-alt@lists.gentoo.org mailing list, or file a bug
at bugs.gentoo.org under Gentoo/Alt, Prefix Support.  This is most
inconvenient, and it crushed my ego.  Sorry, I give up.
Should you want to give it a try, there is /apps/gentoo/stage3.log
Comment 1 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 11:31:07 UTC
Created attachment 523270 [details]
build.log
Comment 2 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 11:31:27 UTC
Created attachment 523272 [details]
stage1.log.bz2
Comment 3 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 11:31:54 UTC
Created attachment 523274 [details]
stage2.log.bz2
Comment 4 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 11:32:12 UTC
Created attachment 523276 [details]
stage3.log.bz2
Comment 5 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 11:44:08 UTC
$ ./bootstrap-rap.sh /apps/gentoo stage3                                   
* Bootstrapping Gentoo prefixed portage installation using
* host:   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
* prefix: /apps/gentoo
* ready to bootstrap stage3
!!! emerge not found, did you bootstrap stage1?
$ less /apps/gentoo/stage1.log          
$ find /apps/gentoo/ -name emerge
/apps/gentoo/usr/portage/app-xemacs/emerge
/apps/gentoo/tmp/usr/bin/emerge
/apps/gentoo/tmp/usr/lib/portage/bin/emerge
/apps/gentoo/tmp/usr/lib/portage/pym/portage/tests/emerge
$

Can I re-start stage3 somehow? My EPREFIX is /apps/gentoo.
Comment 6 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-10 15:25:45 UTC
Created attachment 523286 [details]
build.log

build.log from an existing Gentoo::RAP installation with:

$ emerge -pv zlib

[ebuild   R    ] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1:0/1::gentoo  USE="minizip static-libs" 0 KiB
Comment 7 Fabian Groffen gentoo-dev 2018-03-13 09:00:24 UTC
What is the host system here?  Is there a chroot involved?
Comment 8 Martin Mokrejš 2018-03-13 09:09:43 UTC
The parent OS is amd64 with glibc-2.14:

$ uname -a
Linux uv1 2.6.32-696.20.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 12 15:07:59 EST 2018 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-4627 v2 @ 3.30GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
$ cat /etc/redhat-release 
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.9 (Santiago)
$


No, I did not use chroot in any way.
Comment 9 Fabian Groffen gentoo-dev 2018-03-13 09:18:45 UTC
right redhat or derivative

sounds like linker/compiler mismatch
Comment 10 Fabian Groffen gentoo-dev 2018-05-29 10:11:16 UTC
Can you use bootstrap-prefix.sh to see if this still reproduces?