My greetings to the entire community of Gentoo Developers.
I would only like to state that in order to have a proper operating system
become widely acceptable, you must make it easier for new users to access its
distrubution channels. It is a very nice idea to have such a meta distribution
as your own, and to have all these custom made features because it uses all
the resources our hardware has.
There is a problem though. The absence of at least ONE official downloadable
CDROM from your sites. Not every user can have access to your "vendors" like
Tux or Cheapbytes. Not every user has access to a FAST CABLE LINE. Several
countries are still on 56k mainly because of cost. Or several people cannot
afford to spend hours in downloading the files without being able to get a
good look and fast on the system.
Think of this too : If you are honestly considerating the fact of having an
enterprise like structure and develop a strong commercial model (based on
support I hope), you are probably move to the server market too. I do not
think that many IT departments would care enough to even consider Gentoo as
nothing but a toy should not they be able to test it fast and see how it
It is possible allready to make a cdrom using some hacks. You could either
post your own recipe on this subject, or provide a basic 1 BOOTABLE CDROM as a
downloadable edition. There is no need to have the sources precompiled. The
portage system is designed to grab the sources from the cdrom and compile them
on the fly i presume.
Consider the fact that there is another way to gain over this: Many linux
magazines offer download editions of other distros. Guess which ones are all
people getting, mostly new users : REdHAt and M<andrake. That is not fair.
Should you consider my proposals, you wil lsee that eventually you are the
ones to benifit fomr all of this.
A net-less gentoo install, I guess
"""It is a very nice idea to have such a meta distribution as your own, and to
have all these custom made features because it uses all the resources our
This requests *a* CD which has at least the contents of the stage1-CD plus as
much sources as possible too. A reasonable minimum in my eyes would be: all
sources stage3 needs (no point to discuss, it is required!) plus X, Gnome *and*
KDE. If not Gnome *and* KDE are fitting on one CD, I'd vote for dropping both
to avoid the impression that Gentoo favours one of them and to include a simpler
environment like XFCE instead.
As long as emerge has no features to request sources from removable media and to
request a media change if needed, only one such source is manageable easily.
This is why i write "a CD" and not CDs. But with the limit of making *a* CD, it
should be easy with existing tools.
How much will fit on such a CD? I cannot guess that. Starting with a world
file that contains all wishes, "emerge -ef" plus the emerge -f glibc will be the
answer presented in the distfiles dir (assumed it was empty before these commands).
Why stage1? Thats the required minimum and including stage2 or stage3 would
mean to be processor specific again and will only waste precious space that is
needed for the sources.
"""There is no need to have the sources precompiled. The portage system is
designed to grab the sources from the cdrom and compile them on the fly i
Basically ok, but see above because of the limits that with the current emerge
command all has to fit on one CD if you wish to keep it simple (no manual
copying of sources from multiple CDs).
"""I do not think that many IT departments would care enough to even consider
Gentoo as nothing but a toy should not they be able to test it fast and see how
This sentence does not imply that it *must* be a source distribution. Imagine a
CD with precompiled packages. If such a CD would be built for i586, the
majority of systems would be able to use it and for a fast demonstration of
Gentoo it would be up and running in minutes. Yes!!! Minutes!!! Using
precompiled packages i can make a stage1-to-stage3 transition in less then 10
minutes on my old k6/500 system. The changes to the bootstrap process are
minimal and trivial!
And for bringing Gentoo to a wider audience, such a "binary CD" would be more
suited in my eyes because owner of slower systems would not have to compile for
And please dont overestimate the "optimization" things. Time is money and most
IT departments will not optimize Gentoo for each different system individually.
A faster machine mostly will be cheaper than wasting manpower on the question
of how to save some milliseconds by optimizing binaries. And USE vars like -X
are neat for someone who has more time than money but my experience @work ist
that i easier get bigger harddisks than the time to think about such
In fact I vote for having both types of CDs and for extending emerge to have
some means to cope with removable media for getting the sources.
I'd like to see such an extended emerge and a set of CDs with all packages
precompiled and all sources. That would be the breakthru for spreading Gentoo!
*** Bug 5024 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
This will be/is addressed by the "Gentoo Reference Platform" that will be part
of Gentoo Linux 1.4_rc2 (released around 25 Dec 2002) and all further releases.
Moving these so we can remove the "Install CD" component from "Gentoo Linux".
I apologize to everyone for this spam, but according to the bugzilla developers,
this is the only reasonable way to do this.