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Bug 408073 - Make the user choose a locale
Summary: Make the user choose a locale
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: [OLD] Docs on www.gentoo.org
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Installation Handbook (show other bugs)
Hardware: All Linux
: Normal normal (vote)
Assignee: Camille Huot (RETIRED)
URL:
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Keywords:
Depends on: 398155
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Reported: 2012-03-13 20:29 UTC by Petteri Räty (RETIRED)
Modified: 2012-04-08 20:23 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Description Petteri Räty (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2012-03-13 20:29:18 UTC
The council just voted on the following:

20:21 <@Betelgeuse> So let's start with this: Should the handbook have a section for the user to choose a locale?
20:22 <@ulm> yes
20:22 <@grobian> Betelgeuse: yes
20:22 <@Chainsaw> Betelgeuse: Yes. It should.
20:22 <+dberkholz> so you're saying we should incorporate the existing localization guide content directly into the handbook?
20:22 <@grobian> Ubuntu indeed seems to be en_US.UTF-8 by default
20:22 <@grobian> (just checked)
20:23 <+dberkholz> we already talk a little about locales in the handbook, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=6
20:23 <@Chainsaw> grobian: I find that Ubuntu has made so much bad calls lately, that I would discourage using them as a guide.
20:23 <@grobian> Chainsaw: just as info, I don't agree with their choice, although I understand from their perspective and vision on their users
20:23 <@Betelgeuse> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=12
20:24 <@Betelgeuse> dberkholz: it is linked to from there
20:24 <@Betelgeuse> dberkholz: I think we want to put a little more emphasis
20:24 <@Chainsaw> Betelgeuse: Yes, it seems too optional this way.
20:24 <@grobian> I think dberkholz's link is actually the place where you want to suggest actually enabling something by default
20:24 <@grobian> iso just making it available
20:25 <@Betelgeuse> jmbsvicetto, hwoarang, dberkholz: input please
20:25 <@Chainsaw> grobian: Better place there, yes. But the current examples are a bit sparse.
20:25 <@grobian> Chainsaw: agreed
20:26 <@Chainsaw> Evening Zac.
20:26 <+dberkholz> sure, i'd be fine with adding extra emphasis on enabling a utf-8 locale in that section i pointed to
20:26 <+dberkholz> seems very reasonable
20:26 <@jmbsvicetto> Betelgeuse: I like the idea of improving the docs
20:26 <@Chainsaw> dberkholz: Okay, let's do that. Update the documentation, but make no actual system changes.
Comment 1 Camille Huot (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2012-03-13 21:04:23 UTC
I'd suggest to move the whole (improved) Locale section to:

8. Configuring your System / 8.c. System Information
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=8#doc_chap3)

This is where the keymap and the clock are defined.

I can do it if you agree.
Comment 2 Jan Kundrát (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2012-03-17 12:38:04 UTC
Does it mean we're going to ask users to go utf-8 by default? That'd be great!

Are the utf8/unicode/whatever USE flags enabled in all profiles?
Comment 3 Sven Vermeulen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2012-03-25 18:01:22 UTC
The locale selection was put that early in the handbook due to historic reasons imo (stage1 and stage2 systems where glibc needed to be (re)build, which caused a massive CPU consumption if it generated all possible locale definitions).

I don't mind having that part moved to cam's suggested location, enhanced a bit so that we tell users to really have (at least) one UTF-8 locale in it. I hope that addresses the council's recommendation sufficiently.

Cam, you asked for it, go do it ;-)
Comment 4 Ulrich Müller gentoo-dev 2012-04-07 12:59:24 UTC
*ping*

Any progress here?
Comment 5 Camille Huot (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2012-04-08 20:23:39 UTC
The locale instructions moved to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=8