| Summary: | x11-base/xorg-x11[fonts]: depends on non-free font media-fonts/font-bh-ttf | ||
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| Product: | Gentoo Linux | Reporter: | Sam James <sam> |
| Component: | Current packages | Assignee: | Gentoo X packagers <x11> |
| Status: | RESOLVED FIXED | ||
| Severity: | normal | CC: | bog, dark.knight.ita, flyser42, gentoo, holger, konstantin.popov.89, kripton, linder.gabriel, main.haarp, Manfred.Knick, mcrawford, pacho, trekie |
| Priority: | Normal | Keywords: | PullRequest |
| Version: | unspecified | ||
| Hardware: | All | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
| See Also: |
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873973 https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/27762 |
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| Package list: | Runtime testing required: | --- | |
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Description
Sam James
2022-09-21 02:19:54 UTC
The bug has been referenced in the following commit(s): https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=8e257ee40dcad9b33e1d9949eeee3aeff3bbd642 commit 8e257ee40dcad9b33e1d9949eeee3aeff3bbd642 Author: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> AuthorDate: 2022-10-01 16:31:19 +0000 Commit: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> CommitDate: 2022-10-01 16:32:13 +0000 profiles: Mask x11-base/xorg-x11 for removal Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/755233 Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/872119 Signed-off-by: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> profiles/package.mask | 6 ++++++ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta package? Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by only installing xorg-server. Of the most common "My system isn't working properly" issues I encounter and have helped users with this is one of the most common because they followed the xorg wiki guide advice to only install xorg-server. While I can't speak for Matt, we could possibly keep it if someone else (a user can too!) maintains it. It's just become too much hassle for x11@. (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #2) > I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta > package? > > Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package > become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to > the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by > only installing xorg-server. What package have you found to be missing that leads to a semi functional system? (In reply to Matt Turner from comment #4) > (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #2) > > I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta > > package? > > > > Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package > > become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to > > the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by > > only installing xorg-server. > > What package have you found to be missing that leads to a semi functional > system? Maybe it makes more sense to ask how I'm supposed to know which of the following packages are required? I just unmerged xorg-x11 and now depclean wants to remove: media-fonts/font-adobe-100dpi media-fonts/font-adobe-75dpi media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-100dpi media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-75dpi media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-type1 media-fonts/font-alias media-fonts/font-arabic-misc media-fonts/font-bh-100dpi media-fonts/font-bh-75dpi media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-75dpi media-fonts/font-bh-ttf media-fonts/font-bh-type1 media-fonts/font-bitstream-100dpi media-fonts/font-bitstream-75dpi media-fonts/font-bitstream-speedo media-fonts/font-bitstream-type1 media-fonts/font-cronyx-cyrillic media-fonts/font-cursor-misc media-fonts/font-daewoo-misc media-fonts/font-dec-misc media-fonts/font-ibm-type1 media-fonts/font-isas-misc media-fonts/font-jis-misc media-fonts/font-micro-misc media-fonts/font-misc-cyrillic media-fonts/font-misc-ethiopic media-fonts/font-misc-misc media-fonts/font-mutt-misc media-fonts/font-schumacher-misc media-fonts/font-screen-cyrillic media-fonts/font-sony-misc media-fonts/font-sun-misc media-fonts/font-winitzki-cyrillic media-fonts/font-xfree86-type1 x11-apps/appres x11-apps/bdftopcf x11-apps/bitmap x11-apps/luit x11-apps/sessreg x11-apps/smproxy x11-apps/x11perf x11-apps/xbacklight x11-apps/xcmsdb x11-apps/xcursorgen x11-apps/xdpyinfo x11-apps/xdriinfo x11-apps/xev x11-apps/xf86dga x11-apps/xgamma x11-apps/xhost x11-apps/xinput x11-apps/xkbevd x11-apps/xkbutils x11-apps/xkill x11-apps/xlsatoms x11-apps/xlsclients x11-apps/xmodmap x11-apps/xpr x11-apps/xrandr x11-apps/xrefresh x11-apps/xsetroot x11-apps/xvinfo x11-apps/xwd x11-apps/xwininfo x11-apps/xwud x11-libs/libXxf86dga x11-misc/makedepend x11-themes/xcursor-themes I can live without x11perf and probably a few others, but it should be pretty clear that depcleaning all these will likely result in a few lost toes. Are we supposed to manually add them to the world set? (In reply to Holger Hoffstätte from comment #5) > (In reply to Matt Turner from comment #4) > > (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #2) > > > I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta > > > package? > > > > > > Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package > > > become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to > > > the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by > > > only installing xorg-server. > > > > What package have you found to be missing that leads to a semi functional > > system? > > Maybe it makes more sense to ask how I'm supposed to know which of the > following packages are required? I just unmerged xorg-x11 and now depclean > wants to remove: > > media-fonts/font-adobe-100dpi > media-fonts/font-adobe-75dpi > media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-100dpi > media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-75dpi > media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-type1 > media-fonts/font-alias > media-fonts/font-arabic-misc > media-fonts/font-bh-100dpi > media-fonts/font-bh-75dpi > media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi > media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-75dpi > media-fonts/font-bh-ttf > media-fonts/font-bh-type1 > media-fonts/font-bitstream-100dpi > media-fonts/font-bitstream-75dpi > media-fonts/font-bitstream-speedo > media-fonts/font-bitstream-type1 > media-fonts/font-cronyx-cyrillic > media-fonts/font-cursor-misc > media-fonts/font-daewoo-misc > media-fonts/font-dec-misc > media-fonts/font-ibm-type1 > media-fonts/font-isas-misc > media-fonts/font-jis-misc > media-fonts/font-micro-misc > media-fonts/font-misc-cyrillic > media-fonts/font-misc-ethiopic > media-fonts/font-misc-misc > media-fonts/font-mutt-misc > media-fonts/font-schumacher-misc > media-fonts/font-screen-cyrillic > media-fonts/font-sony-misc > media-fonts/font-sun-misc > media-fonts/font-winitzki-cyrillic > media-fonts/font-xfree86-type1 > x11-apps/appres > x11-apps/bdftopcf > x11-apps/bitmap > x11-apps/luit > x11-apps/sessreg > x11-apps/smproxy > x11-apps/x11perf > x11-apps/xbacklight > x11-apps/xcmsdb > x11-apps/xcursorgen > x11-apps/xdpyinfo > x11-apps/xdriinfo > x11-apps/xev > x11-apps/xf86dga > x11-apps/xgamma > x11-apps/xhost > x11-apps/xinput > x11-apps/xkbevd > x11-apps/xkbutils > x11-apps/xkill > x11-apps/xlsatoms > x11-apps/xlsclients > x11-apps/xmodmap > x11-apps/xpr > x11-apps/xrandr > x11-apps/xrefresh > x11-apps/xsetroot > x11-apps/xvinfo > x11-apps/xwd > x11-apps/xwininfo > x11-apps/xwud > x11-libs/libXxf86dga > x11-misc/makedepend > x11-themes/xcursor-themes > > I can live without x11perf and probably a few others, but it should be > pretty clear that depcleaning all these will likely result in a few lost > toes. > Are we supposed to manually add them to the world set? I think the answer is that none of them are required. My guess is that you may have used xrandr, xev, xhost, or xwd at some point, but probably none of the others. My suspicion is that you won't miss any of the fonts either. But yes, if you want something specific, add it to your @world. (In reply to Matt Turner from comment #4) > (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #2) > > I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta > > package? > > > > Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package > > become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to > > the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by > > only installing xorg-server. > > What package have you found to be missing that leads to a semi functional > system? Currently not aware of all of the x11 apps packages omitted by only installing xorg-server instead of xorg-x11 but among those that are that I recall from observing others we've helped somewhat recently on the discord support is one of the significant packages used to adjust backlight brightness. The overall standing concern stems from users that are not not aware of what a functional system configuration will benefit from and require due to inexperience and or recommendation by the wiki to avoid installing functionally complete configuration. The common difference between xorg-server and xorg-x11 including the fonts packages with a desktop profile weighs in at as best i recall around ~90 packages. That's not an entirely insignificant volume of packages that even I don't recall all of them by name and has been a too frequent common concern I encounter when attempting to aid users with system configurations encountering complications. (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #7) > (In reply to Matt Turner from comment #4) > > (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #2) > > > I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta > > > package? > > > > > > Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package > > > become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to > > > the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by > > > only installing xorg-server. > > > > What package have you found to be missing that leads to a semi functional > > system? > > Currently not aware of all of the x11 apps packages omitted by only > installing xorg-server instead of xorg-x11 but among those that are that I > recall from observing others we've helped somewhat recently on the discord > support is one of the significant packages used to adjust backlight > brightness. It's funny that you mention that. One of the reasons for removing the metapackage is that it pulls in xbacklight which often doesn't work for users (bug 755233). (In reply to Matt Turner from comment #8) > (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #7) > > (In reply to Matt Turner from comment #4) > > > (In reply to Michael Crawford (ali3nx) from comment #2) > > > > I ask if this is masked for removal what is replacing this valuable meta > > > > package? > > > > > > > > Users still do frequently has a consequence of not using this meta package > > > > become recipients of incomplete semi functional system configurations due to > > > > the 20 something x11-apps packages that are dependencies not installed by > > > > only installing xorg-server. > > > > > > What package have you found to be missing that leads to a semi functional > > > system? > > > > Currently not aware of all of the x11 apps packages omitted by only > > installing xorg-server instead of xorg-x11 but among those that are that I > > recall from observing others we've helped somewhat recently on the discord > > support is one of the significant packages used to adjust backlight > > brightness. > > It's funny that you mention that. One of the reasons for removing the > metapackage is that it pulls in xbacklight which often doesn't work for > users (bug 755233). I was unaware of that concern but that package name just stood out as a more significant representation because of it's name. Perhaps some of those fonts packages are already or could be added in addition to fonts-meta and that would resolve the fonts side of the total xorg-x11 meta package. The overall total of 32 x11-apps packages is a greater concern. if xbacklight needs to be depreciated remove it alone or was there something you perhaps had in mind to have the remaining x11-apps packages easily referenced for installation by novice users? There has been in recent years an overwhelming influence upon new or novice gentoo users whom have been influenced to believe "gentoo is minimal" when they may lack the experience to understand the consequences of omitting packages in a software build environment. the xorg-x11 meta package has always filled that role exceptionally well. I too, personally, still find this metapackage useful on minimal-X systems without DE and just with minimal WM + apps. without it system can end up without xkill, xhost, xmodmap, sessreg, xlsclients, xev, xsetroot, setxkbmap, xprop ... unless user explicitly installs those. Some session startup scripts (even those that come with xinit[twm]) will not work properly without some of the mentioned apps and session will not start. ofc will we can modify xinit PDEPEND for USE=twm ofc to include all used apps, but issues with other WMs still stay. Maybe just pulling acpilight first in order and not using IUSE=+fonts is a good enough alternative to completely removing the package? or maybe introducing xorg-tools metapackage that just pulls apps instead? it's an easy package to add to world and forget, unlike hunting for all small utilities 1 by 1. The bug has been closed via the following commit(s): https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=b9ccfc75cfd84824c268d2ef82e2969a0cdc4fdb commit b9ccfc75cfd84824c268d2ef82e2969a0cdc4fdb Author: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> AuthorDate: 2022-10-13 05:01:30 +0000 Commit: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> CommitDate: 2022-10-13 16:24:56 +0000 x11-base/xorg-fonts: Add new metapackage Thanks to Marius Stoica for the proposal and initial ebuild. Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/872119 Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/873973 Closes: https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/27762 Signed-off-by: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> x11-base/xorg-fonts/metadata.xml | 9 ++++++ x11-base/xorg-fonts/xorg-fonts-1.ebuild | 54 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2 files changed, 63 insertions(+) I've additionally pushed a x11-base/xorg-apps metapackage that RDEPENDs on all the x11-apps/ packages from https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/ It's purpose is to pull in all the x11-apps/ packages from https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/, not to be some package that we debate over what is useful for users. The bug has been referenced in the following commit(s): https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=0798c428cbb1a48239ac8ba01cb9a332f483fd72 commit 0798c428cbb1a48239ac8ba01cb9a332f483fd72 Author: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> AuthorDate: 2022-10-13 21:57:46 +0000 Commit: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> CommitDate: 2022-10-13 21:57:46 +0000 profiles: mention x11-base/xorg-apps, x11-base/xorg-fonts in xorg-x11 mask Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/755233 Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/872119 Signed-off-by: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> profiles/package.mask | 3 +++ 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+) |