| Summary: | gnome-base/gnome-core-apps: cleanup | ||
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| Product: | Gentoo Linux | Reporter: | Pacho Ramos <pacho> |
| Component: | [OLD] GNOME | Assignee: | Gentoo Linux Gnome Desktop Team <gnome> |
| Status: | RESOLVED WONTFIX | ||
| Severity: | normal | CC: | alexander, c.a.strahl, nicolas.poehlmann, poncho |
| Priority: | Normal | ||
| Version: | unspecified | ||
| Hardware: | All | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
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| Package list: | Runtime testing required: | --- | |
| Bug Depends on: | |||
| Bug Blocks: | 463242 | ||
Regarding "seahorse" I am referring it's useful if we pull in gnome-keyring ;) (In reply to Pacho Ramos from comment #0) > And, then, I wonder if we really should supply it. gnome-base/gnome with all > USE flags disabled will get a fairly minimum desktop, the only additions > would be: If USE flags give the control such that gnome-light can almost be mimicked, I'd say give it a go; otherwise I wouldn't appreciate it (and would thus go back to to merging its dependencies in a set :P). > >=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-${PV} -> needed by gnome-shell Hmm, wish this were optional; I don't see the point in having this when I do not have or want Evolution as I use something else, I could look into making this optional again. It's a fairly simple patch to remove the TODO's from the pop out menu when you click at the top of GNOME shell. > >=app-crypt/seahorse-${PV} -> this is really useful, do we really > want people to drop it? Well, I don't feel a need to use it; probably others will feel the same. > >=media-video/totem-${PV} -> I would have no problem installing it, > maybe put it behind a "+gstreamer" USE flag could help if people get angry :/ Yes, it will at least bother them; people usually run something they prefer. > >=gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-${PV} Assuming this is the documentation, doc USE flag? :) > >=gnome-extra/yelp-${PV} -> I would really make this optional due > the really heavy webkit-gtk requirement Yes, it is nice to be able to use GNOME 3.8 without webkit-gtk; I do that. (In reply to Tom Wijsman (TomWij) from comment #2) [...] > > >=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-${PV} -> needed by gnome-shell > > Hmm, wish this were optional; I don't see the point in having this when I do > not have or want Evolution as I use something else, I could look into making > this optional again. It's a fairly simple patch to remove the TODO's from > the pop out menu when you click at the top of GNOME shell. > Well, I first thought on pulling it *in the meta* depending on global "eds" USE flag... but if it's mandatory by gnome-shell... I am unsure :/ Regarding making it optional in gnome-shell too, I would wait for other team members opinion as usually upstream refuses that changes and carrying one more patch like this forever would add us more work > > >=app-crypt/seahorse-${PV} -> this is really useful, do we really > > want people to drop it? > > Well, I don't feel a need to use it; probably others will feel the same. > OK, after re-thinking it I think you are true => maybe under "extras"... > > >=media-video/totem-${PV} -> I would have no problem installing it, > > maybe put it behind a "+gstreamer" USE flag could help if people get angry :/ > > Yes, it will at least bother them; people usually run something they prefer. > > > >=gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-${PV} > > Assuming this is the documentation, doc USE flag? :) > > > >=gnome-extra/yelp-${PV} -> I would really make this optional due > > the really heavy webkit-gtk requirement > > Yes, it is nice to be able to use GNOME 3.8 without webkit-gtk; I do that. Well, I doubt between putting yelp/gnome-user-docs under "doc" or "webkit" or one per each. The problem is that gnome-user-docs won't probably be useful without yelp I'm currently using gnome-light. But if gnome metapackage will provide the same via use flags, this would be OK. Are we going to discuss this again to end up to the same conclusion. This is afair the 3rd bug about this in the last years, gnome ebuild is for what we consider to be, as per usptream recommendations, the gnome desktop. gnome-light is meant for nay-sayers to want to have their word on everything. Please keep it that way. (In reply to Gilles Dartiguelongue from comment #5) > Are we going to discuss this again to end up to the same conclusion. > > This is afair the 3rd bug about this in the last years, gnome ebuild is for > what we consider to be, as per usptream recommendations, the gnome desktop. > > gnome-light is meant for nay-sayers to want to have their word on everything. > > Please keep it that way. OK: - What about the webkit USE flag for gnome-base/gnome? webkit-gtk is really a beast that takes really a long time and resources to compile :S webkit is used in epiphany, evolution and empathy, all core apps to my understanding. A use flag in gnome-core-apps ebuild is ok, but in my opinion, it must be enable for gnome meta. I guess would be similar to cdr and bluetooth -> add webkit USE for core, and webkit? for gnome ebuild, enabling by default on both (In reply to Pacho Ramos from comment #8) > I guess would be similar to cdr and bluetooth -> add webkit USE for core, > and webkit? for gnome ebuild, enabling by default on both Forget that, I was thinking in other meta ;) Seeing metas again, looks like webkit USE flag wouldn't save much. Packages needing webkit-gtk in gnome-core-apps meta are: yelp -> this with gnome-user-docs could be behind a "+doc" USE flag empathy -> wouldn't it fit better in gnome-extra-apps meta? I have used it only one time after installing first 3.8 version, after that I reverted to pidgin and I don't think it is a "core" app at all. Well, as looks like Gilles and me are not able to reach a consensus on this, will close and keep status quo (as the other team members don't have a strong opinion on this) *** Bug 464736 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 567760 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** |
Reading ebuild I saw: # This is a wrapper for the 'light' GNOME 3 desktop, and should only consist of # the bare minimum of libs/apps needed. It is basically gnome-base/gnome without # any apps, but shouldn't be used by users unless they know what they are doing. And, then, I wonder if we really should supply it. gnome-base/gnome with all USE flags disabled will get a fairly minimum desktop, the only additions would be: >=app-crypt/gcr-${PV} -> needed by gnome-shell >=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-${PV} -> I think should be mandatory >=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-${PV} -> needed by gnome-shell >=app-crypt/seahorse-${PV} -> this is really useful, do we really want people to drop it? >=app-editors/gedit-${PV} -> Maybe could be moved to "extras" or a "minimal" USE flag could be added to gnome-base/gnome >=app-text/evince-${PV} -> Probably interesting to move it to "extras" >=gnome-extra/gnome-contacts-${PV} -> I would do the same -> extras >=media-gfx/eog-${PV} -> unsure since it's useful and I don't see much lightweight replacements >=media-video/totem-${PV} -> I would have no problem installing it, maybe put it behind a "+gstreamer" USE flag could help if people get angry :/ >=net-im/empathy-${PV} -> I really think this belong to "extras" (well, I am still a pidgin user :P) >=gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-${PV} >=gnome-extra/yelp-${PV} -> I would really make this optional due the really heavy webkit-gtk requirement What do you think?