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Bug 300021

Summary: Flooded by tinderbox bugs
Product: Gentoo Linux Reporter: Torsten Veller (RETIRED) <tove>
Component: [OLD] DevelopmentAssignee: Gentoo Perl team <perl>
Status: RESOLVED INVALID    
Severity: normal CC: qa
Priority: High    
Version: unspecified   
Hardware: All   
OS: Linux   
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Runtime testing required: ---

Description Torsten Veller (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-07 11:37:33 UTC
This bug flooding is boring at least. We fix one and get five new bugs.

I am not so much interested in perl that i really care about fixing the daily flood of test failures. Especially if these packages are leafs, not in - let's call it - the connected-set-of-perl-packages that probably nobody uses.

I have zero fun.

If anyone cares about resolving them, feel free to do it. The perl team is already looking for new members.

The other options are:
- ignore more bug-reports
- disable tests without investigation
- remove more packages
Comment 1 Samuli Suominen (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-07 11:46:13 UTC
Why is it a problem for you having bugs open? The problems would still be there, even if they were not reported. 

I don't get the logic...
Comment 2 Diego Elio Pettenò (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-07 11:50:54 UTC
I'm all fine for removing packages.

As for the specifics of _today's_ bug flooding about Perl: scarabeus asked me to test perl-5.10 compatibility with the ~arch tree, so I've been running perl-cleaner, which means that ~1500 packages all depending on Perl are being merged, with their tests executed.

You can choose on whether to fix them, leave the bug open so that somebody like David can fix it later, or send out last rites for the package.

Since I didn't identify any particularly big problem with Perl modules before I haven't last-rited any, that doesn't mean that you cannot kill the leaves if you don't care about them.
Comment 3 Torsten Veller (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-07 13:25:51 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> I don't get the logic...

This bugreport probably lacks "logic".
But if I constantly work on the perl bug list and it gets longer and longer, I lose motivation.

(In reply to comment #2)
> I'm all fine for removing packages.

Me too. I will mask more packages if upstream has open bugs but doesn't care to fix them.

I assigned this bug to perl, because I want to know what they think.
That's also why I reopen it.

> As for the specifics of _today's_ bug flooding about Perl: scarabeus asked me
> to test perl-5.10 compatibility with the ~arch tree, so I've been running

So I am asking scarabeus to help fixing the bugs :)
Let's see if that works as well.

> perl-cleaner, which means that ~1500 packages all depending on Perl are being
> merged, with their tests executed.

Which perl-cleaner? Did you have any problems with portage not being able to resolve the deps?

> You can choose on whether to fix them, leave the bug open so that somebody like
> David can fix it later, or send out last rites for the package.
Comment 4 Diego Elio Pettenò (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-07 13:40:22 UTC
I'm pretty sure scarabeus was already helping last night to check at least whether the bugs were 5.10-related or not to begin with. I haven't seen him yet today but that doesn't mean he won't help with the new ones.

perl-cleaner-2 is what I'm using, for 5.10 support, and it's not having any trouble, ~1500 packages *is* what the tinderbox merged that used, supported, or worked with perl.

It's building package 653 of 811 now, and you got the total of eight bugs since I started this, it's not _really_ that much of a flood is it? Of these, three only have perl@g.o in CC rather than as assignee.

Most of the bugs I opened that are for, or have perl CCed are for the site_dir packages that *you* asked about. I've also (just as of late, I know) enabled verbose tests so that you could have more ideas on where the problems lie wrt tests.

If the problem is motivation, how do you expect I feel when the "My Bugs" list keep staying over 1400 entries?
Comment 5 Torsten Veller (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-08 12:42:46 UTC
I must have had a bad day. Sorry.

(In reply to comment #4)
> It's building package 653 of 811 now, and you got the total of eight bugs since
> I started this, it's not _really_ that much of a flood is it? Of these, three
> only have perl@g.o in CC rather than as assignee.

It's not about 5 or 8 bugs.
It's about fixing a bug and getting new ones. I didn't know that you were
testing perl-5.10.1. It felt like a never ending stream of bugs.

But it seems to be my problem that i have to resolve for myself.


> Most of the bugs I opened that are for, or have perl CCed are for the site_dir
> packages that *you* asked about.

Did I really ask you to file site_dir bugs? I honestly can't remember.
I know that I asked you for a list of packages installing to /site (#280728).
The idea was to file bugs together with patches like i did for the first five.

Nontheless without you filing the bugs, probably not more than the first five
would have been filed. A number of the new bugs mentions a fix.
So thanks for filing the bugs.


(In reply to comment #1)
> Why is it a problem for you having bugs open?

"We have such a backlog that we don't really look at it :("

This seems to be true for net-mail. If it's someones pet project, it gets ignored.
Comment 6 Torsten Veller (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2010-01-14 09:26:00 UTC
Closing it now.