| Summary: | Mailing lists that are considered inactive should be marked on the website | ||
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| Product: | Websites | Reporter: | Allen Brooker (AllenJB) <gentoo-bugs> |
| Component: | Other | Assignee: | Gentoo Infrastructure <infra-bugs> |
| Status: | RESOLVED FIXED | ||
| Severity: | normal | CC: | phajdan.jr, vincent, wonko |
| Priority: | High | ||
| Version: | unspecified | ||
| Hardware: | All | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
| URL: | http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml | ||
| Whiteboard: | |||
| Package list: | Runtime testing required: | --- | |
| Attachments: | lists.xml.patch | ||
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Description
Allen Brooker (AllenJB)
2009-11-04 14:50:42 UTC
AllenJB, Can you make a list of what you think should be marked inactive and what criteria you used (X months with no post, etc) I haven't done any detailed analysis - I don't have access to subscriber lists, which may help determine how dead lists are, and don't have time to go through all the archives to look at when the most recent postings were and what they were. I already gave one example (tho a quick grep shows that one does appear to have been remove). A few more at glance: - Two lists I would pick out straight away are gmn and cygwin (last on-topic posts was 2008). - scire hasn't seen any real activity since 2007 (ignoring the quickstart anouncement, which I believe was cross-posted to quite a few lists). - nx doesn't even seem to have an entry on the official archives, so at a guess nothing has ever been posted to that list. - uk hasn't seen activity in 2 years. The point is that if users want help, one of the methods they turn to is the mailing lists. But what use is posting to a mailing list that's inactive? Removing or marking dead lists would help users to find the active lists relevant to their interests much more quickly. I will head this "project" 1) Present a list of MLs to close 2) Get docs-team to provide input on how to handle website 3) Send announcement to gentoo-announce/dev-announce 4) Follow through. Step 1 starts here but will need further feedback on the mailing lists. I will do that early next week. $ cat lists-remove.txt gentoo-doc-lt Reason: Only 1 post, late 2008 gentoo-extreme-security Reason: Never was a real project, 1 post. gentoo-doc-id Reason: Only posts have been 2 spam messages. gentoo-forum-translations Reason: 2 posts, 2007. gentoo-translators Reason: 3 posts, all spam. 2008 gentoo-arm Reason: 4 posts total, last 2006 gentoo-gwn-fr Reason: GWN is not alive. gentoo-gwn-pl Reason: GWN is not alive. gentoo-dev-lang Reason: 7 posts total, last 2007 gentoo-ia64 Reason: Not active. last 2006 tenshi-announce Reason: Not used, current release is .11, last used for .4 2006 gentoo-cvs Reason: Dead, not used. Not on archive index. gentoo-scire Reason: Dead, last 2008 tenshi-user Reason: Not used, last 2006 gentoo-media Reason: Besides spam, last used 2006 gentoo-proctors Reason: Not used since 2007. 14 message total. Pinged jmbviscetto gentoo-gwn-nl Reason: GWN is not alive. gentoo-doc-hu Reason: Last project commit: 3 years ago, last ML 2007 gentoo-user-kr Reason: Rarely used, last late 2009 with no reply gentoo-doc-nl Reason: last 2007 gentoo-gnustep Reason: Keep but questionable. Probably be closed during next cleanup gentoo-test Reason: Not on archive index. gentoo-xbox Reason: Dead project gentoo-cygwin Reason: Dead Project, last 2008 gentoo-gwn-de Reason: GWN is not alive. gnap-dev Reason: Dead Project, some life recent but..? www-redesign Reason: Dead Project gentoo-gwn Reason: Dead project gentoo-installer Reason: Dead project gentoo-performance Reason: Not active, recent spam gentoo-osx Reason: Dead project Josh: I want you to be in the loop here because lists.xml is going to need some work explaining that these lists are archived but closed for new posts. I'm hoping you can help wordsmith the page for me. This is pending discussion so no action needs to happen now (ETA 2 weeks out). There is/was talk of reviving the website redesign project, so maybe give www-redesign a stay of execution until a decision has been reached on that. How about a gentoo-misc list to replace the low traffic and inactive ones? It would also be good for new projects that may or may not work out. There shouldn't be any problems as long as subjects start with "[whatever]" and people use filters. (In reply to comment #5) > There is/was talk of reviving the website redesign project, so maybe give > www-redesign a stay of execution until a decision has been reached on that. We can re-open it later. (In reply to comment #6) > How about a gentoo-misc list to replace the low traffic and inactive ones? It > would also be good for new projects that may or may not work out. There > shouldn't be any problems as long as subjects start with "[whatever]" and > people use filters. Sounds like chaos to me mainly because there is no good archiving/search solution. (In reply to comment #3) > I will head this "project" > > 1) Present a list of MLs to close > 2) Get docs-team to provide input on how to handle website > 3) Send announcement to gentoo-announce/dev-announce > 4) Follow through. > 1 & 3 are done. Need to follow through with updated lists.xml page and infra closing the lists for new posts. Paweł seems[1] to be interested in this. Update: Still waiting for infra action to close lists in comment #4. [1]: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_dd23ba04ecb35f9020198556dc1b965a.xml Created attachment 240245 [details]
lists.xml.patch
Josh, this can be applied before the lists are actually closed, if you want :)
(In reply to comment #9) > Created an attachment (id=240245) [details] > lists.xml.patch > > Josh, this can be applied before the lists are actually closed, if you want Done. Thanks for the patch. *** Bug 334541 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** The following lists are now closed per the request here.
The gmn/gwn lists have always been aliases for each other, so are closed to fill this request. I have also closed the gwn-admin{,-de,-es} lists.
gentoo-arm
gentoo-cvs
gentoo-cygwin
gentoo-dev-lang
gentoo-doc-hu
gentoo-doc-id
gentoo-doc-lt
gentoo-doc-nl
gentoo-extreme-security
gentoo-forum-translations
gentoo-gmn
gentoo-gmn-admin
gentoo-gmn-admin-de
gentoo-gmn-admin-es
gentoo-gmn-de
gentoo-gmn-es
gentoo-gmn-fr
gentoo-gmn-nl
gentoo-gmn-pl
gentoo-gnustep
gentoo-gwn
gentoo-gwn-admin
gentoo-gwn-admin-de
gentoo-gwn-admin-es
gentoo-gwn-de
gentoo-gwn-es
gentoo-gwn-fr
gentoo-gwn-nl
gentoo-gwn-pl
gentoo-ia64
gentoo-installer
gentoo-media
gentoo-osx
gentoo-performance
gentoo-proctors
gentoo-scire
gentoo-test
gentoo-translators
gentoo-user-kr
gentoo-xbox
gnap-dev
tenshi-announce
tenshi-user
www-redesign
Please research the following lists and tell me if they can be closed as well. They were present on the list server and archives, but NOT on the lists.xml page. gentoo-biz gentoo-devconference gentoo-docs-review gentoo-guis gentoo-hardened-dev gentoo-kbase gentoo-managers gentoo-nx gentoo-ops gentoo-palooza gentoo-ppc-stable gentoo-tinderbox (In reply to comment #13) > gentoo-biz > gentoo-devconference > gentoo-docs-review > gentoo-guis > gentoo-hardened-dev > gentoo-kbase > gentoo-managers > gentoo-nx > gentoo-ops > gentoo-palooza > gentoo-ppc-stable > gentoo-tinderbox No news about the above lists still. Listing was cleaned by Jorge. |
