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Bug 266253

Summary: adobe-100dpi and adobe-75dpi fonts
Product: Gentoo Linux Reporter: Mirek Kratochvil <exa.exa>
Component: Current packagesAssignee: Gentoo X packagers <x11>
Status: RESOLVED INVALID    
Severity: normal    
Priority: High    
Version: unspecified   
Hardware: All   
OS: All   
Whiteboard:
Package list:
Runtime testing required: ---
Attachments: mirror of tinypic picture showing the problem.

Description Mirek Kratochvil 2009-04-15 13:53:45 UTC
Hi,

I want to ask why xorg-server depends on following packages:
media-fonts/font-adobe-100dpi
media-fonts/font-adobe-75dpi

Dependency seems illogical, not needed (as no one wants to use those fonts; and who really wants, knows it), and causes at least those problems:

1] by default configuration, bitmap fonts are prioritized above .ttf fonts of same name; therefore (for example) helvetica fonts are rendered ugly in many applications.

2] using those fonts somehow causes problems with several configurations (one is radeon+xnest, second is just radeon and upgraded system. I will ask the corresponging people to provide detailed affected package versions, as soon as I can.) Screen with example is at [1], sorry for linking tinypic.
(Also, I know this is more like a problem of pango/xft/another renderer; but is triggered only by those fonts.)

3] bug #249190 and this xorg-server dependency inevitably cripple all peaceful efforts to remove both adobe-fonts; so user always ends at rm -rf.

I guess that given enough search, one could come with more issues.
It would be nice to have the dependencies disabled, so gentoo systems are 100% usuable without any deeper xft know-how.

If I missed a good reason why the fonts MUST be installed, please explain it.

Thanks
exa

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1.install xorg-server
2.see the fonts are bad
Comment 1 Mirek Kratochvil 2009-04-15 13:56:04 UTC
... and the image I forgot to link comes here ...

[1] http://i40.tinypic.com/2j9mbm.jpg

again, sorry for tinypic.
Comment 2 Tomáš Chvátal (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-04-15 13:56:47 UTC
Removed in 1.6
still present in 1.3 and 1.5
Not sure why it is needed in 1.5.
@remi/donnie: do you know why it is still at 1.5. I thought it is needed only for 1.3
Comment 3 Mirek Kratochvil 2009-04-15 13:58:51 UTC
Created attachment 188448 [details]
mirror of tinypic picture showing the problem.

Wow, I can attach it here!
Comment 4 Rémi Cardona (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-04-19 13:28:16 UTC
I think you're having driver issues rather than font issues...

Please attach your xorg.conf, your Xorg.0.log and please paste the output of emerge --info
Comment 5 Donnie Berkholz (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-04-30 00:46:06 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)
> Removed in 1.6
> still present in 1.3 and 1.5
> Not sure why it is needed in 1.5.
> @remi/donnie: do you know why it is still at 1.5. I thought it is needed only
> for 1.3

Needed for some utilities that are part of 1.5, xorgcfg wasn't it?
Comment 6 Rémi Cardona (RETIRED) gentoo-dev 2009-05-25 22:57:22 UTC
There are too many issues being mentioned in this bug to ever be productive :
 - core X fonts should render properly, if not, that's a bug of its own
 - toolkits and applications are responsible for the fonts they use, if you have issues with specific apps and toolkits, please file bugs against them
 - we are slowly but surely working on getting rid of core X fonts as much as possible

In short, please don't hesitate to open new bugs for each issue you might have.

Thanks