22:29 <@FlAFKeyes> damn i hate when this happens
22:29 <@FlAFKeyes> i used last time the scanner and all was ok
22:29 <@FlAFKeyes> now... it's not
22:29 <@lu_zero> run sane-find-scanner as root
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22:30 <@FlAFKeyes> lu_zero, it's still fou nd
22:30 <@FlAFKeyes> but scanimage -L does not find it
22:30 <@FlAFKeyes> it seems it's unable to load the firmware, again :|
22:30 <@FlAFKeyes> i don't remember how i fixed the first time
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22:35 <@Cardoe_> FlAFKeyes: probably by creating another virtual
22:37 <@ciaranm> anyone feel like proofreading GLEP 43 before i post it?
22:37 <@seemant> link?
22:37 <@ciaranm> http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/glep-dir.txt and .html
22:38 <@ciaranm> there's probably at least one silly typo  that i missed...
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22:39 <@seemant> ciaranm: looks fine to me
22:40 <@ciaranm> thanks
22:40 <@seemant> I even like the bit about rac
22:40 <@ciaranm> heh
22:40 <@slarti> thoand's going to be helping out with the video disc recorder ebuilds. say hello :)
22:40 <@seemant> hi thoand
22:41 <@tomk> ciaranm: it should be Nov in the date headers
22:41 <@thoand> hello world :)
22:41 <@ciaranm> thoand: welcome. use repoman or get stabbed to death by a rusty spork
22:41 <@ciaranm> tomk: should it? i forget, i'm i'm getting confused by all the date formats...
22:42 <@thoand> ciaranm: ;) I'll
22:42 <@tomk> ciaranm: dd-mmm-yyyy
22:42 <@seemant> no no no
22:42 <@seemant> yyyymmdd
22:42 <@ciaranm> Created: <date created on, in dd-mmm-yyyy format>
22:42 <@seemant> at least that one is universal
22:42 <+antarus|work> ciaranm, do you really think that itself requires a glep? :)
22:42 <@seemant> oh
22:42 <@ciaranm> antarus|work: changes to the GLEP process need a GLEP themselves
22:43  * ciaranm goes to reread GLEP 1
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22:44 <@ciaranm> heh. we're supposed to post GLEPs to the forums? oh well
22:44 <@dragonheart> welcome thoand
22:45 <@solar> -mmm- is dumb ;/
22:45 <@ciaranm> solar: indeed it is
22:45 <@solar> cant use numerical expressions is what I'm thinking
22:46 <@ciaranm> someone go write GLEP 44: Less stupid date formats
22:46 <@bonsaikitten_> unix timestamp?
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22:46 <@hansmi> bonsaikitten_: will overflow in 2038
22:46 <@ciaranm> only 32 bit
22:46 <@dragonheart> glep45 - why time doesn't matter
22:47 <@solar> they are nice but then you have to convert seconds into a useable timestamp.
22:47 <@bonsaikitten_> but you can extend it to 64bit without breaking much
22:47 <@solar> which defeats the idea of the current glep. keeping things simple
22:47 <@hansmi> Why not ISO 8601? yyyy-mm-dd
22:47 <@ciaranm> 8601 is sane
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22:48 <@ciaranm> heh, toand didn't last long
22:48 <@seemant> indeed
22:48 <@dostrow_work> eh 8601 has several standards... yyyy-Www-dd
22:48 <@seemant> someone crashed his/her chatzilla
22:48 <@spb> chatzilla must die anyway
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22:49 <@jakub> Www - wft? :D
22:49 <@ciaranm> week
22:49 <@jakub> yeah, but anyway - wtf :)
22:49 <@seemant> wft - wtf?
22:49 <@solar> I like YYYYMMDD myself
22:49 <@seemant> who fucked that?
22:49 <@seemant> solar: yep me too
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22:50 <@ciaranm> solar++
22:50 <@jakub> seemant: emerge wtf && wtf wtf :)
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22:52 <@seemant> jakub: you said wft, that's what I was wtf'ing
22:52 <@jakub> yeah, date in year-week-day format is really wtf...
22:53 <@hansmi> day would be day of the week, then?
22:53 <@dostrow_work> jakub: would read 2005-W45-07 for today
22:54 <@jakub> hmmm, that's really informative ;p
22:54 <@ciaranm> would it?
22:54 <@ciaranm> not W45-01?
22:54 <@dostrow_work> err yeah 01
22:54 <@jakub> ah, that's informative as well
22:54 <@jakub> even more
22:55 <@dostrow_work> 1st day 45th week, year 2005.....sucky format....but hey ISO 8601 legal
22:55 <@jakub> hmm... what about some fuzzy time in ISO format... :>
22:56 <@jakub> like - a nice winter evening *g*
22:56 <@hansmi> And what will people with some other calendar do? Convert it to theirs? Maybe we should publish the date in some stellar time.