complete unedited #gentoo-dev log sense 1 Dec 2005

gentoo-dev-12-01.log (text/plain), 1.31 MB, created by Mike Doty (RETIRED) on 2005-12-09 08:40:28 UTC

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Dec 01 00:04:28 compnerd_	SpanKY, vapier: ping
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Dec 01 00:06:50 cshields	compnerd_: ha!  new libtool && fix_libtool_files.sh fixed it
Dec 01 00:07:56 compnerd_	cshields: lol, thats the last thing I said though :-p
Dec 01 00:09:07 cshields	right, I'm letting you know it worked
Dec 01 00:09:13 cshields	I'm off to bed..  'night
Dec 01 00:09:17 compnerd_	cshields: ah, good to hear though :-)
Dec 01 00:09:19 compnerd_	nite cshields
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Dec 01 01:53:35 SpanKY	amne: pong
Dec 01 01:53:48 SpanKY	compnerd: pong
Dec 01 01:53:50 SpanKY	SeJo: pong
Dec 01 01:56:01 amne	SpanKY: i had some problems after upgrading gcc 3.3.6 to 3.4.4. it turned out i had a file /etc/env.d/gcc/config-i686-pc-linux-gnu that still had gcc 3.3.5 set. is it possible to say that file is bogus unless someone uses a cross compiler and it should be deleted in case someone has problems?
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Dec 01 01:59:18 compnerd_	SpanKY: hey, have a repoman(1) man page patch
Dec 01 02:00:22 compnerd_	SpanKY: http://dev.gentoo.org/~compnerd/files/repoman_iuse_invalid.patch
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Dec 01 02:01:54 SeJo	SpanKY: there is a new cvs foe E17 that is faster updated and more accessible, can i switch it in the eclass and commit it? (new cvs is every 30 mins updated with dev cvs)
Dec 01 02:02:02 SeJo	s/foe/for/
Dec 01 02:02:50 SpanKY	amne: yes
Dec 01 02:03:33 SpanKY	SeJo: i dont really like that idea
Dec 01 02:03:36 SeJo	SpanKY: noticed it when i patched the embrace module anon cvs off sourceforge is ages behind
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Dec 01 02:04:01 SeJo	SpanKY: it's the cvs raster told me to use
Dec 01 02:04:11 SeJo	ach ok, got a reason for it?
Dec 01 02:04:50 SpanKY	compnerd: added
Dec 01 02:05:06 SpanKY	SeJo: ive seen things like that come and go and got tired of tracking their availabilities ?
Dec 01 02:05:08 compnerd_	SpanKY: cool
Dec 01 02:05:55 SpanKY	SeJo: i'll add support for $E17_ECVS_SERVER which you could set in your make.conf
Dec 01 02:05:58 amne	SpanKY: good to know, cheers
Dec 01 02:06:27 SpanKY	amne: with gcc, native compiler is just 'config', anything else is a 'cross-compiler'
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Dec 01 02:06:42 SpanKY	amne: but binutils is not the same way, it always uses 'config-$CTARGET'
Dec 01 02:06:52 SeJo	SpanKY: ok thanks
Dec 01 02:07:00 SpanKY	    ECVS_SERVER=${E17_ECVS_SERVER:-ECVS_SERVER:-cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment}}
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Dec 01 02:09:33 amne	SpanKY: uhm, yes (not that i really know that whole stuff that well) ;-)
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Dec 01 02:16:20 lu_zero	good morning
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Dec 01 02:42:46 phreak``	morning lu_zero
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Dec 01 02:44:05 robbat2	night all
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Dec 01 02:45:21 mjc	morning lu_zero
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Dec 01 02:46:31 Halcy0n	amne: could you put a dress on for SpanKY...he's weird like that.
Dec 01 02:46:50 jakub	:D
Dec 01 02:46:59 amne	Halcy0n: hm? sorry missed the last 2 minutes or something
Dec 01 02:47:14 *	amne puts on his robe and his wizard hat
Dec 01 02:47:17 Halcy0n	amne: didn't miss anything :)
Dec 01 02:47:27 amne	ah, hehe
Dec 01 02:48:19 brix	Halcy0n++
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Dec 01 02:48:43 SpanKY	SHAKE THAT MONEY MAKER
Dec 01 02:52:18 ferringb	...
Dec 01 02:52:27 amne	scared now
Dec 01 02:52:28 ferringb	you all are loons.  g'day.
Dec 01 02:52:35 ferringb	not scared, just confused.
Dec 01 02:52:44 ferringb	about the norm really, at least as long as I can remember...
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Dec 01 02:54:12 Halcy0n	ferringb: it'd be completely unexciting otherwise.
Dec 01 02:54:49 *	mjc shakes SpanKY 
Dec 01 02:55:14 lu_zero	^^;
Dec 01 02:55:25 mjc	what's going on everyone
Dec 01 02:55:34 SpanKY	building PROLOG
Dec 01 02:55:35 nerdboy	night ppl
Dec 01 02:55:45 amne	nite nerdboy
Dec 01 02:55:49 *	lu_zero is about to setup a test streaming server
Dec 01 02:55:53 lu_zero	nite nerdboy
Dec 01 02:55:58 lu_zero	SpanKY eh?
Dec 01 02:56:01 lu_zero	ouch
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Dec 01 02:56:22 *	mjc is playing with daap
Dec 01 02:56:45 *	mjc considers making a daap relay
Dec 01 02:57:48 *	amne feels bad for not even knowing what daap is
Dec 01 02:58:47 zaheerm	audio discovery/sharing protocol
Dec 01 02:58:49 mjc	itunes music sharing protocol
Dec 01 02:58:59 SpanKY	that's fine, daap is retarded
Dec 01 02:59:10 mjc	zaheerm: discovery is done with mDNS/Bonjour/Rendezvous
Dec 01 02:59:17 eradicator_	Halcy0n: uhm. I did CC everyone for the security bug
Dec 01 02:59:23 mjc	hhow is daap retarded?
Dec 01 02:59:28 mjc	http://www.opendaap.org/
Dec 01 03:00:29 mjc	http://mt-daapd.sourceforge.net/
Dec 01 03:00:31 mjc	hahaha
Dec 01 03:01:13 zaheerm	mjc: true
Dec 01 03:02:17 mjc	indeed
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Dec 01 03:07:09 Halcy0n	eradicator_: you marked it stable for x86 though.
Dec 01 03:09:14 *	ferringb mutters
Dec 01 03:09:16 ferringb	cvs is slow :/
Dec 01 03:09:21 jakub	erm, can someone punt this crap, plz? http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-apps/gmemusage/
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Dec 01 03:09:38 jakub	ChrisWhite had one of his days, apparently
Dec 01 03:09:42 ferringb	heh
Dec 01 03:09:45 mjc	http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169831&cid=14155032
Dec 01 03:09:46 ferringb	branch?
Dec 01 03:09:51 ferringb	ahh, yes, branch.
Dec 01 03:10:00 ferringb	jakub: working on it right now.  just verifying it's not going to eat cvs.
Dec 01 03:10:04 ferringb	...much.
Dec 01 03:10:16 jakub	ferringb: thanks, it's already eaten my esearch :>
Dec 01 03:10:21 ferringb	hmm?
Dec 01 03:10:29 ferringb	shouldn't be seeing it.  it's a seperate branch from main...
Dec 01 03:10:31 jakub	aux_get(): ebuild path for 'sys-apps/gmemusage-0.2-old' not specified:
Dec 01 03:10:54 ferringb	wth...
Dec 01 03:10:57 marienz	as far as I can see there's also a 1.1 that's in main?
Dec 01 03:11:01 ferringb	fun.
Dec 01 03:11:11 SpanKY	no ChangeLog either heh
Dec 01 03:11:12 ferringb	hmm.
Dec 01 03:11:17 jakub	ferringb: ^^^ when running eupdatedb
Dec 01 03:11:21 marienz	and a 1.1.1.1 that's in the chris branch with a 0-line diff from the one in main?
Dec 01 03:11:27 ferringb	marienz: yep.
Dec 01 03:11:31 marienz	don't ask me wtf the chris branch came from.
Dec 01 03:11:31 mjc	hahaha
Dec 01 03:11:37 jakub	SpanKY: he's done more - see his castpodder commit ;p
Dec 01 03:11:55 jakub	which additionally does not work when installed *g*
Dec 01 03:12:32 SpanKY	man, these ebuilds are so alpha
Dec 01 03:12:35 brix	errr - perhaps having him commit to a branch is a good choise after all
Dec 01 03:12:46 brix	-s+c
Dec 01 03:12:48 SpanKY	he must hate using '|| die'
Dec 01 03:12:50 Halcy0n	It was a mistake that he commmitted them at all.
Dec 01 03:13:09 jakub	:)
Dec 01 03:13:22 SpanKY	i punted the -old and all of castpodder
Dec 01 03:13:25 jakub	I suspect some cvs job during a frenzy anime session :)
Dec 01 03:13:29 Halcy0n	For some reason cvs history isn't showing all of the commits or I would have removed them.
Dec 01 03:13:48 *	ferringb reiterates his nuke the branch command
Dec 01 03:14:02 jakub	thanks
Dec 01 03:14:05 ferringb	cvs rtag -B -d chris gentoo-x86 <-- should kill his branch.
Dec 01 03:14:12 amne	jakub: something really disturbing must have happened in that anime
Dec 01 03:14:13 Halcy0n	ferringb: not going to nuke the shit not in his branch though.
Dec 01 03:14:22 ferringb	yep.
Dec 01 03:14:24 latexer	SpanKY: nice commit messages.
Dec 01 03:14:25 Halcy0n	For example, the thing jakub just pointed out.
Dec 01 03:14:28 ferringb	then we do a cvs co -rchris
Dec 01 03:14:33 *	marienz wants a branch too!
Dec 01 03:14:37 ferringb	and start untagging. ;)
Dec 01 03:14:40 jakub	amne: lol
Dec 01 03:14:58 *	Halcy0n stabs marienz 
Dec 01 03:15:01 Halcy0n	No branch for you :)
Dec 01 03:15:02 mjc	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98211&package_id=105189&release_id=356415
Dec 01 03:15:08 marienz	awww :(
Dec 01 03:15:10 SpanKY	latexer: i watched PCU recently :)
Dec 01 03:15:19 ferringb	marienz: commit your fixes to savior! ;)
Dec 01 03:15:22 latexer	SpanKY: great movie.
Dec 01 03:16:05 brix	"gutter"?
Dec 01 03:16:05 marienz	ferringb: yeah, guess I should, let me see if tailor has a dry run button first though
Dec 01 03:16:09 Koon	latexer: while you're here... could you please have a look at bug 113201 ? ipsec-tools seems to be your turf
Dec 01 03:16:35 Koon	SpanKY: got a few where we need you, too :)
Dec 01 03:16:47 SpanKY	brix: watch PCU :P
Dec 01 03:16:57 latexer	Koon: yeah, i've been kinda apesh*t catching up after t-day.
Dec 01 03:17:05 latexer	Koon: i'm about to crash, but i'll look at it tomorrow.
Dec 01 03:17:07 ferringb	marienz: would be appreciated :)
Dec 01 03:17:14 Koon	latexer: fine with me
Dec 01 03:17:50 Koon	SpanKY: how base-system wants to handle bug 112140 ?
Dec 01 03:18:15 Koon	SpanKY: also we seem to be in a deadlock on bug 105380.
Dec 01 03:18:17 brix	Pokers Curse Uniformly?
Dec 01 03:20:26 SpanKY	http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60030035&trkid=189530
Dec 01 03:21:24 brix	aha
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Dec 01 03:24:42 mjc	could someone ~ppc-macos media-sound/mt-daapd-0.2.3-r1?
Dec 01 03:24:56 SpanKY	did you test it ?
Dec 01 03:24:59 mjc	yes.
Dec 01 03:25:17 mjc	compiles, runs, etc.
Dec 01 03:25:22 mjc	working great under load =)
Dec 01 03:25:28 SpanKY	done
Dec 01 03:25:35 mjc	cool.
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Dec 01 03:26:40 jakub	lol, he broke another one :>
Dec 01 03:26:43 UberLord	morning all
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Dec 01 03:26:49 mjc	jakub: heh
Dec 01 03:26:49 jakub	Bug 114111
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Dec 01 03:26:58 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114111; "winki 0.3.11 : !!! Security Violation: A file exists that is not in the manifest."; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Marcello Magaldi->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114111
Dec 01 03:27:11 jakub	plus patch does not work
Dec 01 03:28:35 UberLord	winki?
Dec 01 03:28:36 mjc	SpanKY: hmm, looks like I need to add a function for ppc-macos' cron replacement and such instead of the crappy initscripts
Dec 01 03:28:40 marienz	win 27
Dec 01 03:28:42 UberLord	!meta winki
Dec 01 03:28:43 jeeves	UberLord: Package: media-video/winki  Herd: video Maintainer: video
Dec 01 03:28:43 marienz	err, sorry
Dec 01 03:28:57 jakub	UberLord: chriswhite's "fix0red" ;p
Dec 01 03:28:59 marienz	why are those commits not showing up in #-commits?
Dec 01 03:29:15 jakub	marienz: b/c no commit message and completely screwed?
Dec 01 03:29:16 UberLord	I was just curious as to what winki was ....
Dec 01 03:29:31 marienz	hmm, no commit messages might do it
Dec 01 03:29:57 marienz	or the whole branch weirdness
Dec 01 03:30:03 *	marienz has nfc how cvs branches work
Dec 01 03:30:19 UberLord	svn brances are simple - their just directories :)
Dec 01 03:30:30 UberLord	s/bracnces/branches
Dec 01 03:30:35 UberLord	whatever - lol
Dec 01 03:30:36 SpanKY	s/their/they're/
Dec 01 03:30:50 *	UberLord sighs and drinks some coffee
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Dec 01 03:31:25 ferringb	god cvs is slow....
Dec 01 03:31:28 UberLord	any kde peeps around - I've got an issue with 3.5.0 (or maybe just kde, first time I've tried it)
Dec 01 03:31:35 amne	wasn't there some recent change concerning /usr/X11R6/lib/? seems that whole directory is orphaned on my box
Dec 01 03:31:46 SpanKY	/usr/X11R6 is totally AFK now
Dec 01 03:31:50 marienz	yeah
Dec 01 03:31:51 UberLord	/usr/X11R6 no longer exists for modular
Dec 01 03:32:05 *	amne isn't using modular, stable x86 box here
Dec 01 03:32:08 marienz	/usr/X11R6 is only a symlink for stable
Dec 01 03:32:13 SpanKY	latest monolithic is the same way
Dec 01 03:32:26 marienz	(or was it ~x86? I might be off a revision)
Dec 01 03:32:40 UberLord	which is a sod as some apps have -L/usr/X11R6/lib in their makefiles
Dec 01 03:32:46 *	UberLord looks at fbpanel
Dec 01 03:32:58 r2d2	stuff has been moving out of /usr/X11R6/ for a while
Dec 01 03:33:14 r2d2	all the stuff in there should be symlinks by now
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Dec 01 03:34:28 amne	ah, i see. thanks
Dec 01 03:34:50 amne	seems /usr/lib/thunderbird/ was orphaned
Dec 01 03:35:05 r2d2	started around 6.8.0-r4 I think
Dec 01 03:35:37 r2d2	http://www.livejournal.com/users/spyderous/6314.html
Dec 01 03:36:43 SpanKY	Koon: i'll have cpio fixed shortly
Dec 01 03:37:10 Koon	SpanKY: kewl
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Dec 01 03:45:00 strerror_work	moin moin
Dec 01 03:45:57 SpanKY	Koon: i'd have to sit down and spend sometime looking at the openldap issue ... and honestly, i dont really want to; i dislike ldap :)
Dec 01 03:46:15 tigger^	what ldap issue?
Dec 01 03:46:23 Koon	SpanKY: heh. Thijnk of it as an autotools issue :)
Dec 01 03:46:28 tigger^	I mean, which of the million
Dec 01 03:46:30 tigger^	oh, rpath
Dec 01 03:46:31 tigger^	boo
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Dec 01 03:49:55 Koon	UberLord: got a minute ?
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Dec 01 03:51:10 UberLord	Koon: sure
Dec 01 03:52:10 Koon	UberLord: please join #gentoo-gnap for a small initscript ordering discussion
Dec 01 03:56:09 mjc	hmm gentoo/win32
Dec 01 03:56:11 mjc	almost sounds scary
Dec 01 03:56:42 jakub	o_O
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Dec 01 03:57:05 mjc	 bonsaikitten you're wacko
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Dec 01 03:59:06 UberLord	mjc: we've known that for years ..... ;)
Dec 01 03:59:17 mjc	UberLord: you think I'm new here?
Dec 01 03:59:18 bonsaikitten	mjc, no, frustrated :-)
Dec 01 03:59:20 mjc	..
Dec 01 03:59:22 mjc	=P
Dec 01 03:59:27 mjc	by?
Dec 01 03:59:37 bonsaikitten	mjc, windows lacks basic software managment ... so ... portage does that ... :-)
Dec 01 03:59:43 UberLord	the length of his wang ..... :P
Dec 01 03:59:43 mjc	indeed
Dec 01 03:59:47 mjc	HAHA
Dec 01 04:00:22 bonsaikitten	UberLord, yeah, it's hard to hide a 32" weapon
Dec 01 04:00:27 mjc	lol
Dec 01 04:00:55 UberLord	and the 1 gallon blood transfusion required for your 32 inches
Dec 01 04:01:13 mjc	UberLord: six
Dec 01 04:01:25 bonsaikitten	that's the frustrating part ... everytime it goes up I go down ;-)
Dec 01 04:01:29 mjc	bonsaikitten: I'm frustrated by mt-daapd not working on windows and I don't want to download cygwin + libs at 10K/s
Dec 01 04:01:31 mjc	port it for me
Dec 01 04:01:46 bonsaikitten	mjc, not now, but sounds like a nice challenge
Dec 01 04:01:54 mjc	it should be pretty quick
Dec 01 04:02:06 mjc	cygwin should mean nearly no hacking whatsoever
Dec 01 04:02:13 mjc	128Kbit = suck
Dec 01 04:02:33 bonsaikitten	uhm
Dec 01 04:02:45 bonsaikitten	cygwin = redhat quality code
Dec 01 04:03:12 bonsaikitten	"whee, I pretend to be a full glibc implementation and just return 1 for that function because it's not implemented!"
Dec 01 04:03:23 mjc	bonsaikitten: I just want it to run for now, making it clean later is fine
Dec 01 04:03:33 mjc	=P
Dec 01 04:04:08 mjc	yeah, their gui tool programmers suck too. haha
Dec 01 04:06:20 bonsaikitten	*grrr* who b0rked vmware?
Dec 01 04:06:23 bonsaikitten	again?
Dec 01 04:07:09 mjc	ME
Dec 01 04:07:13 SpanKY	search bugzilla
Dec 01 04:07:33 *	bonsaikitten is getting frustrated at a number of regressions in the last 72h
Dec 01 04:12:16 *	SpanKY adds that to the list of things i dont care about
Dec 01 04:12:20 mjc	bonsaikitten: so work on my feature enhancement
Dec 01 04:13:17 *	mjc is a pain when he has had little sleep
Dec 01 04:13:48 SpanKY	s/when he has had little sleep//
Dec 01 04:14:21 *	mjc beats SpanKY 
Dec 01 04:14:29 mjc	painful enough yet?
Dec 01 04:14:35 SpanKY	harder
Dec 01 04:14:42 SpanKY	^you're making me
Dec 01 04:14:49 mjc	lol
Dec 01 04:14:59 jakub	:D
Dec 01 04:15:35 amne	make #-dev an anime and you know what confused chris white so much
Dec 01 04:15:44 mjc	the other thing that mt-daapd needs is the ability to store its db on a different FS from the music files
Dec 01 04:16:40 mjc	 /Volumes/WORKGROUP;OPTERON/Music contains all my music but it is read only so other people don't futz around
Dec 01 04:17:03 mjc	mt-daapd uses inodes to refer to the files or some ridiculous stuff
Dec 01 04:21:46 bonsaikitten	hehe
Dec 01 04:21:55 bonsaikitten	and you expect a n00b like me to make it work?
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Dec 01 04:24:23 mjc	shouldn't be difficult to convert it to an array of chars containing paths or something...
Dec 01 04:24:31 mjc	it's more efficient to use inodes but
Dec 01 04:24:35 mjc	whatever
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Dec 01 05:08:44 Koon	mcummings: please see bug 114113, we might have an emergency.
Dec 01 05:08:47 GenBot	Koon: Bug 114113; "dev-lang/perl: Perl format string integer wrap vulnerability"; [Gentoo Security :: Vulnerabilities]; {ASSIGNED}; Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114113
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Dec 01 05:25:45 tigger^	ey mikey
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Dec 01 05:25:56 tigger^	mcummings: tiny patch, and it's correct
Dec 01 05:27:35 mcummings	Koon: i will work as fast as i can (real life is being a bitch the last few weeks) - will test this against all versions and post to the bug once posted in portage for testing.
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Dec 01 05:29:33 mcummings	tigger^: aye, still need to confirm against our extremely outdated copies of perl :)
Dec 01 05:29:51 *	mcummings sighs that our perl tree is old now...
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Dec 01 05:36:45 mcummings	Koon: building 5.8.6 and 5.8.7 with the patch now
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Dec 01 05:53:18 mkay	who is responsible for bugzilla?
Dec 01 05:53:29 phreak``	mkay: jforman that is
Dec 01 05:53:37 mkay	thanks
Dec 01 05:53:41 mkay	jforman: ping
Dec 01 05:53:49 phreak``	yw
Dec 01 05:54:04 UberLord	!herd kde
Dec 01 05:54:05 jeeves	UberLord: (kde) caleb, carlo, centic, cryos, flameeyes, greg_g, motaboy
Dec 01 05:54:45 UberLord	^^^ ping - I get kicker crashing on logout resulting in a slow logout - supposed to be fixed in 3.4.2, but I'm running 3.5.0 - want me to file a bug?
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Dec 01 05:58:23 cryos	UberLord: Yes please. Not seen that with 3.5.0 - did you use a fresh .kde or let it migrate your old one?
Dec 01 05:59:30 UberLord	cryos: brand new 3.5.0 - trying kde for the first time since 1998 - heh
Dec 01 06:00:01 UberLord	cryos: basically on logout, screen goes black, waits for around 5 seconds and a new kicker appears then we logout
Dec 01 06:00:26 UberLord	cryos: happens on my x86 laptop and amd64, both using gcc4 if that helps, both brand new installs
Dec 01 06:01:01 phreak``	UberLord: doesn't happen here (on x86 that is) with gcc-4.1
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Dec 01 06:01:51 cryos	UberLord: I am using it on my amd64 compiled with GCC 4.0.2 I think without any issues like that.
Dec 01 06:02:35 cryos	UberLord: Have you customised it at all? Anything that might help reproduce and I will try it.
Dec 01 06:03:08 UberLord	cryos: no customised thingies at all - just emerged kdestop, kwin, kmail, kword and all the deps for 3.5
Dec 01 06:03:25 UberLord	how do I get a backstrace of kicker?
Dec 01 06:04:27 cryos	UberLord: That is weird. If you file a bug the other guys can take a look too. That one I am not sure of myself.
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Dec 01 06:08:56 UberLord	cryos: any way to turn off session management?
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Dec 01 06:12:43 cryos	UberLord: Control Centre -> KDE Components -> Session Manager
Dec 01 06:13:07 cryos	You have quite a few options available on there.
Dec 01 06:13:31 UberLord	but not one that says "no session management whatsoever"
Dec 01 06:13:38 UberLord	nm, I've found a workaround
Dec 01 06:13:52 UberLord	there's a flag to kicker for something like --nocrashhandler which solves my issue
Dec 01 06:13:59 cryos	Start with an empty session?
Dec 01 06:14:11 UberLord	ok it probably still crashes on exit, but it's fast
Dec 01 06:14:20 UberLord	now, to find a way to use that flag by default
Dec 01 06:17:43 jkt|	hmm, could anyone explain me why is `emerge -e system && emerge -e world` required after gcc/3.3->3.4 upgrade?
Dec 01 06:18:02 jkt|	I mean, why system at first and then again system + world...
Dec 01 06:18:14 jkt|	(bug 102876)
Dec 01 06:18:17 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 102876; "Adding link to the migration HOWTO, to gcc-3.4.x ebuilds"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {REOPENED}; Mathieu Bonnet->Docs Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/102876
Dec 01 06:19:49 bonsaikitten	jkt|, fix toolchain, then rebuild everything?
Dec 01 06:20:31 jkt|	well, but isn't toolchain pulled in as a dependancy of "everything"?
Dec 01 06:21:05 bonsaikitten	yes, but still you might need two build cycles to get everything correct
Dec 01 06:21:14 *	bonsaikitten can't remember the details a.t.m.
Dec 01 06:21:19 jkt|	okay
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Dec 01 06:29:25 mcummings	Koon: all set
Dec 01 06:31:10 Koon	mcummings: ok, will call for stable, many thx
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Dec 01 06:41:16 jforman	mkay: yo?
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Dec 01 06:49:23 jakub	kevquinn: ping
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Dec 01 06:49:35 jakub	!!!    /usr/portage/dev-lang/pike/pike-7.6.24.ebuild
Dec 01 06:49:35 jakub	!!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size
Dec 01 06:49:37 jakub	^^^
Dec 01 06:50:24 amne	omgwereallgonnadie!
Dec 01 06:52:14 jakub	lol
Dec 01 06:52:35 bonsaikitten	yes, the new portage will be written in perl6, haskell and C#
Dec 01 06:52:48 bonsaikitten	it will need windows vista to run at decent speed
Dec 01 06:52:57 bonsaikitten	and it will be unable to install GPL software
Dec 01 06:53:11 solar	jakub: probably better to send kevinq email vs expecting him to pong you on irc. He is not much of an irc user
Dec 01 06:53:29 mkay	jforman: would it be possible to add timezone setting in bugzilla account and see local time when browsing bugs?
Dec 01 06:54:07 jforman	mkay: not that i am aware of. there is no user-defined TZ for each account
Dec 01 06:54:31 jforman	it is all actually based upon the backend DB, which sucks even more. i cant even set bugs.g.o to UTC, since the backend DB is set to PDT
Dec 01 06:54:45 mkay	jforman: i know there isn't, but i'm asking if is it possible to have it in future?;>
Dec 01 06:55:03 jforman	i can only imagine something like that would require a large hack into the buzilla source, which i would resolve UPSTREAM
Dec 01 06:55:19 mkay	:| to bad;/
Dec 01 06:55:32 jforman	i am hopefully going to drop in the new bugzilla tomorrow morning, around this time, at which will solve some issues we're having. then i will look into adding more patches in
Dec 01 06:56:35 mkay	nice to hear that. remember about me if you see something similar;>
Dec 01 06:56:40 jforman	heh will do
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Dec 01 07:39:27 amne	welcome to the lair
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Dec 01 07:43:05 UberLord	of evil, sin and perversion - but don't let spb put you off ;)
Dec 01 07:43:19 spb	thanks hun
Dec 01 07:43:25 UberLord	np darling
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Dec 01 07:57:44 araujo	Morning!
Dec 01 07:58:00 nixnut	hi araujo
Dec 01 07:58:53 araujo	Hello nixnut
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Dec 01 08:24:21 Koon	rocket: ping
Dec 01 08:24:55 *	amir_ grumbles and kicks glibc
Dec 01 08:25:15 amir_	"This combination is generally discouraged. Try: CFLAGS='-Wl,-z,now' emerge glibc"
Dec 01 08:25:40 ---	kerframil_ is now known as kerframil
Dec 01 08:25:55 *	amir_ grins evily and points out that he recompiled his whole system especially to use these flags and not others
Dec 01 08:26:58 tchiwam	ping vapier
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Dec 01 08:36:34 rocket	Koon: pong
Dec 01 08:41:05 *	araujo wonders if the cache updating will pass from 52% someday
Dec 01 08:41:59 nixnut	araujo: patience :P  or patch portage
Dec 01 08:43:33 gustavoz	Anarchy: the firefox typeahead patch digest is b0rked
Dec 01 08:43:57 spb	ok, who here knows alsa?
Dec 01 08:44:35 spb	knows as in 'can tell me why it doesn't work'
Dec 01 08:45:22 jakub	Anarchy: uhm, and btw people are still screaming about Deep Park ;p
Dec 01 08:46:32 araujo	spb, wait .. let me get my crystal magic ball.
Dec 01 08:46:46 Anarchy	jakub, let them scream my hands are tied
Dec 01 08:46:52 Anarchy	gustavoz, rm and refetch it
Dec 01 08:47:07 spb	araujo: i was kinda assuming that people who didn't know it wouldn't be interested in error messages ;p
Dec 01 08:47:13 jakub	Anarchy: heh... :)
Dec 01 08:47:24 gustavoz	Anarchy: distfiles.gentoo.org is my distfiles mirror, and it's b0rked
Dec 01 08:47:31 gustavoz	Anarchy: gentoo.osuosl.org too
Dec 01 08:47:50 Anarchy	http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/embed-typeaheadfind.patch matches what I have here in the tree
Dec 01 08:48:03 gustavoz	Anarchy: ok, doesn't match cvs then
Dec 01 08:48:09 nattfodd	this thing isn't solved yet ???
Dec 01 08:48:13 araujo	spb, i am not an expert, thouhg ive been able to tweak and solve my own problems with alsa, , you can paste the error somewhere or in privmsg if you want.
Dec 01 08:48:15 nattfodd	was reported three weeks ago
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Dec 01 08:48:24 Anarchy	gustavoz,  that is cvs one min
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Dec 01 08:48:44 gustavoz	MD5 cb90e9f6097b975187892682ed286544 embed-typeaheadfind.patch 41361
Dec 01 08:49:01 gustavoz	a46b34ab3bf14489bf33681fedabbac0  /usr/portage/distfiles/embed-typeaheadfind.patch
Dec 01 08:49:01 gustavoz	 -> distfiles
Dec 01 08:49:09 Anarchy	MD5 cb90e9f6097b975187892682ed286544 embed-typeaheadfind.patch 41361
Dec 01 08:49:26 Anarchy	cb90e9f6097b975187892682ed286544  /usr/portage/distfiles/embed-typeaheadfind.patch
Dec 01 08:49:44 geoman-campus	gustavoz: I have the same problem
Dec 01 08:49:49 spb	araujo: http://rafb.net/paste/results/flIz0l25.html
Dec 01 08:50:06 gustavoz	geoman-campus: blame Anarchy, he doesn't seem to understand
Dec 01 08:50:24 gustavoz	it doesn't matter how many times i fetch it and from different mirrors, it's b0rked
Dec 01 08:50:29 geoman-campus	gustavoz: yep
Dec 01 08:50:37 spb	and http://rafb.net/paste/results/sTToJC57.html
Dec 01 08:50:42 araujo	spb, mm.. that looks more like a module compilation problem
Dec 01 08:50:43 mkay	anyone owns athlon-xp with 1gb ram?
Dec 01 08:50:51 geoman-campus	Anarchy: in other words, fix your shit!
Dec 01 08:50:56 gustavoz	oh, and btw, replacing patches from distfiles without changing the name is kinda bad
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Dec 01 08:51:26 spb	araujo: aye ... that happens after merging alsa-driver. different error if i use the in-kernel drivers
Dec 01 08:52:09 araujo	spb, i see you using hardened ....
Dec 01 08:52:15 spb	yes
Dec 01 08:52:19 nixnut	spb: got the right alsa-headers?
Dec 01 08:52:28 spb	nixnut: latest ~x86
Dec 01 08:52:34 nixnut	ought to do
Dec 01 08:52:41 spb	1.0.10, that is
Dec 01 08:53:02 *	gustavoz tries more mirrors - still b0rked
Dec 01 08:53:09 spb	the strange thing is that it worked fine yesterday
Dec 01 08:53:18 spb	and i haven't changed anything except for a reboot
Dec 01 08:53:25 Anarchy	gustavoz,  I have test 5 different mirrros and md5 comes back same on all of them
Dec 01 08:53:50 gustavoz	Anarchy: osuosl is bad, distfiles is bad, adelie is bad, what else?
Dec 01 08:53:56 phreak``	mkay: yah, but it has 1.5G
Dec 01 08:54:22 Anarchy	gustavoz, so all the devs and AT's that have been testing and keywording have bad files from the mirrors is what you are saying?
Dec 01 08:54:50 araujo	spb, you only use alsa as modules in your kernel?
Dec 01 08:54:56 spb	yes
Dec 01 08:54:59 gustavoz	Anarchy: i'm saying rename the thing
Dec 01 08:55:09 araujo	spb, i'd say that you booted the wrong kernel then dude
Dec 01 08:55:16 gustavoz	Anarchy: when you change a patch distfiles doesn't get updated the same time as cvs, and keeping the name is bad
Dec 01 08:55:20 spb	araujo: oh?
Dec 01 08:55:27 Anarchy	gustavoz, patch has not changed
Dec 01 08:55:40 Anarchy	it is the same patch from 1.0.x branch
Dec 01 08:55:43 araujo	spb, yes, do you have several kernels hanging around?
Dec 01 08:56:03 spb	i do, and for the last week or so i've been using 2.6.14-hardened
Dec 01 08:56:44 spb	and yes, it has been that one, since it's the only option that grub will boot without asking for a password
Dec 01 08:56:47 araujo	spb, well, the error means the following, those modules can't be inserted into the running kernel
Dec 01 08:56:58 spb	i guessed
Dec 01 08:57:01 mkay	phreak``: hmm - no problems, when you compile kernel for athlon procesor?
Dec 01 08:57:10 araujo	That usually happens when you do what i just told you.
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Dec 01 08:57:42 phreak``	mkay: nope .. never had :)
Dec 01 08:58:07 spb	araujo: no, i'm running the same kernel i have been for the last several days, and the config in /usr/src/linux is exactly the same as that for the running kernel
Dec 01 08:58:12 araujo	Booting a kernel and trying to load modules not compiled for it.
Dec 01 08:58:24 araujo	Ok mm...
Dec 01 08:59:06 araujo	spb, have you tried recompiling the drivers'
Dec 01 08:59:10 spb	yes
Dec 01 08:59:12 spb	same thing
Dec 01 08:59:35 araujo	I'd go for a whole kernel recompilation then.
Dec 01 08:59:58 spb	could always try it
Dec 01 09:00:21 mkay	phreak``: hmm - i have strange issue. random compilation faults (just like i'd have broken hardware). problem does not exists if i either remove one of my memories (i've got 2x512mb) or recompile kernel but for 486, not for athlon (i havn't tried diffrent families yet...)
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Dec 01 09:00:40 mkay	bug in kernel?
Dec 01 09:00:41 araujo	I really don't know how hardened deals with these things
Dec 01 09:00:55 araujo	It might be something hardened dependent too.
Dec 01 09:01:26 spb	i've been using the same pax options for several months and it's been working fine with them
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Dec 01 09:02:44 araujo	spb, haven't you compiled your kernel recently?
Dec 01 09:03:00 phreak``	mkay: then you've probably a broken/faulty ram-module :)
Dec 01 09:03:06 spb	araujo: tuesday, apparently
Dec 01 09:03:14 spb	says uname -a
Dec 01 09:03:37 spb	well, 02:29 on tuesday, so basically monday
Dec 01 09:03:58 araujo	spb, this is your first rebooting then?
Dec 01 09:04:01 spb	no
Dec 01 09:04:08 spb	third since rebuilding it
Dec 01 09:04:12 mkay	phreak``: but they work with kernel compiled for 486!;> besides - no matter which one i remove i've got this problem... and i've run memtest (with both inserted) for about 8hours - no errors..
Dec 01 09:04:18 Anarchy	geoman-campus, as you so gracefully put it, Fix your shit gustavoz  tracked his problem down to a proxy issue.
Dec 01 09:04:27 mkay	argh
Dec 01 09:04:31 UberLord	yay - eselect opengl set xorg-x11 goes into an infinite loop
Dec 01 09:04:32 geoman-campus	Anarchy: I don't use a proxy
Dec 01 09:04:38 *	spb hands Anarchy some punctuation
Dec 01 09:04:38 araujo	spb, so you're getting this error after the third rebooting?
Dec 01 09:04:41 spb	araujo: yes
Dec 01 09:04:42 mkay	no matter, which one i remove i don't get this problem*
Dec 01 09:04:42 mkay	;>
Dec 01 09:04:50 geoman-campus	Anarchy: therefore, fix your shit ;)
Dec 01 09:05:28 gustavoz	geoman-campus: it seems the same filename was used for some other ebuild (or is)
Dec 01 09:05:37 geoman-campus	gustavoz: seriously?
Dec 01 09:05:42 gustavoz	geoman-campus: thus proving my point - don't use ambiguous(sp?) filenames
Dec 01 09:05:44 GenBot	'ambiguous' seems to be the correct spelling.
Dec 01 09:05:48 geoman-campus	that's an awful mistake...
Dec 01 09:05:57 gustavoz	geoman-campus: yeah, i had it in my distfiles mirrors too (with the "wrong" md5sum)
Dec 01 09:05:59 gustavoz	don'
Dec 01 09:06:06 gustavoz	and i don't wanna track down who used it
Dec 01 09:06:16 araujo	spb, i'd recompile the whole kernel
Dec 01 09:06:26 geoman-campus	well, I would venture a guess that it existed before the firefox 1.5 patch
Dec 01 09:06:52 araujo	spb, this is might be also hardened-dependent
Dec 01 09:06:58 Anarchy	geoman-campus, it did was introduced back in 1.0.6 so epiphany could be compiled against firefox
Dec 01 09:07:25 spb	araujo: i doubt it
Dec 01 09:07:26 gustavoz	Anarchy: someone else used it and pushed it to distfiles at some point, please use some kind of version in distfiles patches pls
Dec 01 09:07:56 Anarchy	gustavoz,  I am gonna find who else has used it as it is only to be used with firefox for epiphany
Dec 01 09:09:11 gustavoz	Anarchy: yay! and i have yet another different version on my distfiles at home!
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Dec 01 09:10:18 gustavoz	e0442e619add9045d0d04e97c274bc85  embed-typeaheadfind.patch
Dec 01 09:10:18 gustavoz	 41038
Dec 01 09:10:32 spb	Anarchy: alternatively, you could do as everybody else does and use a non-ambiguous filename for your distfiles
Dec 01 09:10:49 Anarchy	gustavoz, one min that looks like it is from 1.0.6-r* release which had an md5 correction
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Dec 01 09:11:34 spb	ie something that includes a package name and version to which it applies
Dec 01 09:12:15 Anarchy	MD5 e0442e619add9045d0d04e97c274bc85 embed-typeaheadfind.patch 41038
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Dec 01 09:12:33 Anarchy	that is from 1.0.6-r3
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Dec 01 10:02:47 kingtaco|work	vapier, SpanKY: ping
Dec 01 10:05:08 vapier	kingtaco|work: what you want sucka
Dec 01 10:05:20 kingtaco|work	vapier, everything sucks
Dec 01 10:05:35 kingtaco|work	vapier, can I edit the devbox list, or should I have you do it?
Dec 01 10:06:17 vapier	wtf is a devbox list
Dec 01 10:06:44 kingtaco|work	developer box list
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Dec 01 10:07:01 kingtaco|work	http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/dev-machines.xml
Dec 01 10:07:06 vapier	oh that
Dec 01 10:07:18 vapier	i thought infra subdir was restricted
Dec 01 10:07:22 vapier	or at least it was last i checked
Dec 01 10:07:30 kingtaco|work	I have 1 addition now, and will have another one in a couple of weeks
Dec 01 10:07:32 vapier	e-mail me the info and i'll throw it up
Dec 01 10:07:35 kingtaco|work	kk
Dec 01 10:07:40 vapier	make sure to include ssh keys !
Dec 01 10:07:46 kingtaco|work	yeah
Dec 01 10:08:03 kingtaco|work	thanks
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Dec 01 10:38:36 Weeve	can we just make use flag definitions recursive by default?  it seems that's how everybody defines them anyway
Dec 01 10:38:45 vapier	?
Dec 01 10:39:25 Weeve	foo - enables support for foo
Dec 01 10:39:31 Weeve	doesn't tell me what the hell foo is
Dec 01 10:40:16 vapier	esearch foo
Dec 01 10:40:36 Weeve	not all use flags map up to a package name
Dec 01 10:41:09 Weeve	plus if you get multiple results, you could still have a guessing game on your hands
Dec 01 10:41:25 vapier	dont worry, every dog has his day
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Dec 01 10:42:25 phreak``	Mr_Bones_: india (afaik)
Dec 01 10:42:37 phreak``	!away seemant
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Dec 01 10:43:01 jeeves	seemant ->  In Boston, without dev box.  Dev Box arrives in the middle of November, that's when I will return.  I don't check mailing lists or aliases -- I'm on IRC, but better to contact alternate people.
Dec 01 10:43:01 Weeve	use flags, not dogs :-P
Dec 01 10:43:01 SuperLag	Mr_Bones_: seemant is in India.
Dec 01 10:43:08 SuperLag	Mr_Bones_: refer to latest GWN
Dec 01 10:43:19 Weeve	it's just down the street from boston
Dec 01 10:43:30 Mr_Bones_	ah, I never read that
Dec 01 10:43:50 Mr_Bones_	!seen chriswhite
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Dec 01 10:44:51 Mr_Bones_	why is he not following the nick/username policy?
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Dec 01 10:44:57 vapier	i think he went underground
Dec 01 10:45:19 axxo	there is no nick/username policy
Dec 01 10:45:19 SuperLag	nick/username policy?
Dec 01 10:45:24 SuperLag	this is news to me
Dec 01 10:45:29 Weeve	well if we want to pick about policy, then why aren't people signing all their emails?
Dec 01 10:45:31 axxo	and if there is, i'm fighting it
Dec 01 10:45:34 SpanKY	YEAH UNDERGROUND, LIKE UNDER THEIR HOUSE
Dec 01 10:45:34 *	Weeve glares at vapier 
Dec 01 10:45:41 vapier	shut up SpanKY
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Dec 01 10:46:04 vapier	axxo: said policy existed before you, so now is a fine time for you to object
Dec 01 10:46:12 *	zx spanks spanky
Dec 01 10:46:17 Mr_Bones_	the policy is that your dev username matches your nick.  It's been that way for a long time.
Dec 01 10:46:25 vapier	zx: i got mkds yesterday
Dec 01 10:46:31 vapier	gonna throw down the BLUE SPARKS
Dec 01 10:46:33 zx	lol
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Dec 01 10:47:25 vapier	zx: btw, read pa yesterday ?
Dec 01 10:47:29 vapier	if you havent, READ IT NOW
Dec 01 10:47:46 zx	k
Dec 01 10:50:34 vapier	poor Mr_Bones_ had to change his e-mail
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Dec 01 10:51:35 Mr_Bones_	yeah but I'm not bitter.
Dec 01 10:51:42 Mr_Bones_	much
Dec 01 10:51:43 vapier	it's better this way
Dec 01 10:51:49 vapier	your old e-mail reminded me of a dog
Dec 01 10:52:53 geoman-campus	Mr_Bones_: why did you have to change your email?
Dec 01 10:53:11 vapier	cause of the policy stupid
Dec 01 10:53:26 geoman-campus	right, and this policy is... ?
Dec 01 10:53:28 blubb|laptop	what policy?
Dec 01 10:53:44 vapier	though e-mail shall not invoke images of dogs
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Dec 01 10:53:51 blubb|laptop	lol
Dec 01 10:53:52 vapier	s/though/thou/
Dec 01 10:53:57 geoman-campus	was about to do that...
Dec 01 10:53:58 geoman-campus	heh
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Dec 01 10:54:33 vapier	he voilates the dangling underscore clause though
Dec 01 10:54:55 Mr_Bones_	bah.  only because I couldn't use .'s
Dec 01 10:54:58 vapier	thou shall leave no underscore dangling !
Dec 01 10:55:36 blubb|laptop	what's next? do not invoke images of fish?
Dec 01 10:55:51 kingtaco|work	fish can be sexy
Dec 01 10:55:56 vapier	you can use . in e-mail
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Dec 01 10:57:24 Mr_Bones_	but not for nicks
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Dec 01 11:18:02 brix	ReJ: SOS?
Dec 01 11:18:40 ReJ	brix: I hope so. My knowledge of morse code is quite limited.
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Dec 01 11:19:35 brix	heh
Dec 01 11:20:10 jforman	brix!
Dec 01 11:20:23 brix	jforman!!
Dec 01 11:20:37 brix	digested all that turkey yet?
Dec 01 11:20:37 jforman	how goes in the world of the untethered
Dec 01 11:20:47 jforman	yes. thankfully
Dec 01 11:22:03 brix	I ought be assembling my prototype PCB...
Dec 01 11:22:15 brix	but I have -ENOSUGAR
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Dec 01 11:22:52 Flameeyes	solar, ping :P
Dec 01 11:23:11 carpaski	!seen codespoon
Dec 01 11:23:12 glbt	I found 2 matches to your query (sorted): carpaski codespoon. carpaski (n=carpaski@gentoo/developer/carpaski) was last seen joining #gentoo-dev 2 days, 1 hour, 48 minutes ago. carpaski is still on #gentoo-dev.
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Dec 01 11:23:16 UberLord	brix: enough with the -Es
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Dec 01 11:24:21 brix	UberLord: are you tired of looking them up in errno.h?
Dec 01 11:25:53 UberLord	brix: return -ENOTISJUSTSILLY;
Dec 01 11:26:10 UberLord	hmmm, typo
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Dec 01 11:28:32 Flameeyes	fwiw.. spb, ping, you should know, too :P
Dec 01 11:28:40 spb	hm?
Dec 01 11:29:23 Flameeyes	spb, i'm going to give a try to hardened-sources.. needs someone to bother if i'm unable to start x or something else ;)
Dec 01 11:29:40 spb	uh huh
Dec 01 11:30:27 Flameeyes	so you're here, i can build it now :)
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Dec 01 11:37:20 *	nattfodd is wondering...
Dec 01 11:37:26 nattfodd	what happens with the header in an ebuild ?
Dec 01 11:37:43 nattfodd	it's written in bold in ebuild writing guide that it should be left empty
Dec 01 11:37:48 nixnut	it meets another header and starts breeding
Dec 01 11:37:53 nattfodd	but for bumps, it seems to work fine just renaming it
Dec 01 11:37:54 UberLord	lol
Dec 01 11:38:07 ReJ	nattfodd: It's filled out automatically.
Dec 01 11:38:12 Flameeyes	nattfodd, when you bump there's no need to change the hearder, cvs takes care of that
Dec 01 11:38:18 nattfodd	ok, thanks
Dec 01 11:38:34 Flameeyes	you can also write $Header: haha that will go away, bleah $ and it should work, too ^^;;
Dec 01 11:39:51 nattfodd	I'll try this one someday :)
Dec 01 11:39:54 UberLord	except don't have any text after the 2nd $ otherwise it will stay there
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Dec 01 11:47:22 lu_zero	good evening
Dec 01 11:47:38 nixnut	evening lu_zero
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Dec 01 11:52:43 jakub	hmmm... new portage depends on pax-utils? o_O
Dec 01 11:53:03 Flameeyes	hi lu_zero
Dec 01 11:53:28 *	lu_zero is half alive today
Dec 01 11:53:41 Flameeyes	and half vampire?
Dec 01 11:53:46 nixnut	hehe
Dec 01 11:53:55 Flameeyes	you should avoid RPGs if they make you so :P
Dec 01 11:53:58 nixnut	half undead
Dec 01 11:55:11 Joker	hmm my freshclam acts weird ... says "up to date" for days ... but when i manualy tigger it updates
Dec 01 12:02:18 Betelgeuse	jakub: Yes, needed for FEATURES="stricter"
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Dec 01 12:03:00 *	brix awaits FEATURES="evenmorestrict"
Dec 01 12:03:25 gustavoz	FEATURES="omgoptimized"
Dec 01 12:03:53 nixnut	FEATURES="ludicrousspeed"
Dec 01 12:04:20 ReJ	FEATURES="ignoredalladviceandnowibrokeitgottokeepthepiecestoo"
Dec 01 12:04:31 Betelgeuse	FEATURES="makeitdetectallmybugs"
Dec 01 12:05:08 nixnut	FEATURES="givesheadtoo"
Dec 01 12:05:20 jakub	Betelgeuse: ayeee, joy! ;p
Dec 01 12:05:50 *	jakub wants FEATURES="beer" ;p
Dec 01 12:06:06 ReJ	FEATURES="offensive" would be nice. :)
Dec 01 12:06:17 jakub	heh
Dec 01 12:06:17 geoman-campus	we already have a USE flag for that, heh
Dec 01 12:06:35 ReJ	geoman-campus: For which?
Dec 01 12:06:41 Betelgeuse	ReJ: offensive
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Dec 01 12:06:46 geoman-campus	USE="offensive"
Dec 01 12:06:58 ReJ	That's different.
Dec 01 12:07:19 geoman-campus	I'm just saying :P
Dec 01 12:07:23 gustavoz	he wants pr0ntage
Dec 01 12:07:24 jakub	ReJ: you want portage to keep insulting you? ;p
Dec 01 12:07:33 gustavoz	emergz0r g0atpr0n
Dec 01 12:07:34 ReJ	This is about utils being offensive. "What, you want -funroll-all-loops?!? Are you kidding, you n00b?"
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Dec 01 12:07:53 geoman-campus	jakub: nah, he just wants to see some boobies while emerging
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Dec 01 12:08:13 ReJ	"~x86 eh? You effing ricer!"
Dec 01 12:08:13 jakub	heh
Dec 01 12:08:13 geoman-campus	ok, time for a job interview, bbl
Dec 01 12:08:36 solar	Flameeyes: pong
Dec 01 12:08:57 ReJ	Mmmm. A more interesting spinner would certainly be worth the CPU cycles, perhaps.
Dec 01 12:09:29 lu_zero	solar have you had problems with the latest ffmpeg patch?
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Dec 01 12:12:38 solar	lu_zero: not tested the most recent one yet
Dec 01 12:13:33 solar	lu_zero: the others work fine for me. It's just his 1 case of getting rid of the fomit-frame-pointer with -O0
Dec 01 12:13:50 solar	but -O0 does not shock me all that much.
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Dec 01 12:14:33 solar	lu_zero: how did your benchmarking tests go?
Dec 01 12:17:06 sekretarz	where can i find ferringb patch, which fixes "updating portage cache" stop on 50%?
Dec 01 12:17:17 lu_zero	solar starting now
Dec 01 12:17:24 lu_zero	today I had another full day...
Dec 01 12:17:57 brix	sekretarz: check his blog
Dec 01 12:18:10 *	nixnut kicks ff-1.5 for being stupid
Dec 01 12:18:11 jakub	sekretarz: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ferringb/portage/2.0/3.0-cache-backport-experimental-7.patch
Dec 01 12:18:33 sekretarz	thanks :D
Dec 01 12:18:38 jakub	ricer! ;p
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Dec 01 12:27:20 jkt|	amne: ping
Dec 01 12:27:25 amne	jkt|: pong
Dec 01 12:27:39 jkt|	amne: well, I have some feedback for your gcc-3.4 thread
Dec 01 12:27:59 jkt|	amne: why the --oneshot in `emerge -uav1 gcc`?
Dec 01 12:27:59 amne	jkt|: great, what is it?
Dec 01 12:28:20 amne	so it doesn't get added to the world file
Dec 01 12:28:32 jkt|	--upgrade doesn't add it, afaik
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Dec 01 12:29:30 amne	really, never heard that before
Dec 01 12:30:13 amne	seems you're right
Dec 01 12:30:30 jkt|	another point - `emerge -1 sys-libs/libstdc++-v3` vs. `emerge sys-libs/libstdc++-v3`
Dec 01 12:30:42 jkt|	you should ommit --oneshot as well, imho
Dec 01 12:31:33 amne	same thing about the world file here. as long it's only a dependency it shouldn't be necessary to add it to the world file. if some application needs a newer version it should require a newer version of the dependency
Dec 01 12:31:40 amne	(at least as far i understand it)
Dec 01 12:32:45 jkt|	well, if you install something into system with --oneshot, portage won't update it (unless it is in some dependancy of other package that gets updated)
Dec 01 12:33:03 jkt|	and emerge --depclean will remove it
Dec 01 12:33:08 amne	oh
Dec 01 12:33:25 jkt|	unless gcc-3.4 depends on it and you just want to emerge it before gcc-3.4
Dec 01 12:33:47 jkt|	I'm not an ebuild developer, so if someone could verify that...
Dec 01 12:34:08 jakub	jkt|: gcc-3.4 depends on that crap on x86
Dec 01 12:34:12 amne	from what i've read some ebuilds _should_ require libstdc++-v3 and pull it in, let's see what depclean does
Dec 01 12:34:47 jkt|	jakub: well, so then there's no need to pull it in explecitely, is it?
Dec 01 12:35:02 jakub	jkt|: well, it depends on it if you don't have 3.3 installed
Dec 01 12:35:08 jkt|	ah :-(
Dec 01 12:35:50 jkt|	so the --oneshot is probably sane here (imho)
Dec 01 12:36:18 jakub	nod
Dec 01 12:36:40 amne	sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 doesn't get killed by depclean so it should be safe
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Dec 01 12:38:25 amne	about emerge -ua1, earthwings (who suggested the -1) also suggested -a1 and not -ua1
Dec 01 12:38:33 amne	and there he is :-)
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Dec 01 12:40:30 Earthwings	here i am. with voice even ;-)
Dec 01 12:40:42 Earthwings	my point is just that --update is not needed here
Dec 01 12:41:04 jkt|	Earthwings: well, imho you *want* to upgrade :-)
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Dec 01 12:41:10 Earthwings	and libstdc++-v3 should be a pulled in as dep, not?
Dec 01 12:41:22 jkt|	Earthwings: 19:34 <@jakub> jkt|: gcc-3.4 depends on that crap on x86
Dec 01 12:41:23 Earthwings	jkt: but it does even without --update
Dec 01 12:41:28 jkt|	Earthwings: 19:35 <@jakub> jkt|: well, it depends on it if you don't have 3.3 installed
Dec 01 12:42:08 jkt|	well, --update is imho nicer ;-)
Dec 01 12:42:50 amne	in doubt we could leave a footnote "use -uav1 or -u or -1 or whateve floats your boat" ;-)
Dec 01 12:43:01 jkt|	that's ugly
Dec 01 12:43:09 jkt|	!metadata gcc
Dec 01 12:43:11 jeeves	jkt|: Package: sys-devel/gcc  Herd: toolchain Maintainer: toolchain
Dec 01 12:43:17 jkt|	!herd toolchain
Dec 01 12:43:18 jeeves	jkt|: (toolchain) agriffis, avenj, azarah, dostrow, eradicator, g2boojum, halcy0n, iluxa, jhuebel, kevquinn, kumba, lu_zero, lv, method, mutex, pfeifer, pvdabeel, solar, tgall, vapier
Dec 01 12:43:29 jkt|	^^ what is better? :-)
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Dec 01 12:43:58 Halcy0n	jkt|: can you summarize what just happened for "what is better"? :)
Dec 01 12:44:32 brix	Earthwings!
Dec 01 12:44:36 brix	long time no see
Dec 01 12:44:43 Earthwings	hi brix :-)
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Dec 01 12:44:51 brix	how goes?
Dec 01 12:45:01 Earthwings	brix: always around, just not in -laptop
Dec 01 12:45:10 Earthwings	brix: fine, thakns
Dec 01 12:45:12 brix	ah
Dec 01 12:45:15 brix	glad to hear
Dec 01 12:45:17 jkt|	Halcy0n: well, `emerge -1au gcc` or `emerge -1a gcc` or `emerge -ua gcc` :-)
Dec 01 12:45:26 Earthwings	brix: maintainer of laptop-mode tools contacted me
Dec 01 12:45:31 brix	oh?
Dec 01 12:45:34 Earthwings	brix: maybe we can talk in -laptop later
Dec 01 12:45:38 brix	ok
Dec 01 12:45:42 brix	what about?
Dec 01 12:46:01 Earthwings	brix: next version of laptop-mode-tools and some new features he plans
Dec 01 12:46:02 Halcy0n	jkt|: don't see the need for -l at all.  And without having context, just do `emerge -ua gcc'.
Dec 01 12:46:08 brix	ok, cool
Dec 01 12:46:14 jkt|	Halcy0n++
Dec 01 12:46:16 brix	Earthwings: why did he contact you?
Dec 01 12:46:24 amne	praise the decision maker :-)
Dec 01 12:46:27 jkt|	Halcy0n: context is https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-407840.html
Dec 01 12:46:45 Earthwings	brix: some feedback on the power management guide
Dec 01 12:46:54 brix	ah, of course
Dec 01 12:47:17 Halcy0n	jkt|: even the -v is fine, get rid of l though.  Users aren't going to care about the changelog.
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Dec 01 12:47:23 amne	ok, change to -uav is in
Dec 01 12:47:32 SwifT	hi all
Dec 01 12:47:37 Earthwings	Halcy0n: it's a one for --oneshot
Dec 01 12:47:38 nixnut	gday SwifT
Dec 01 12:47:42 Earthwings	not l for changelog
Dec 01 12:47:49 SwifT	hi nixnut
Dec 01 12:47:53 amne	hi SwifT
Dec 01 12:48:12 Halcy0n	Earthwings: hmm, I need a new font, they look almost identical :)  Even oneshot is not needed though.
Dec 01 12:48:13 amne	hehehe. Halcy0n: there's a german saying that wanking can make you blind.... :-P
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Dec 01 12:48:25 jkt|	Halcy0n: "1" as "one"
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Dec 01 12:48:47 Halcy0n	Don't see the need for oneshot either :)
Dec 01 12:48:58 brix	Halcy0n: not needed, but required if gcc shouldn't end up in world?
Dec 01 12:49:29 Halcy0n	brix: shouldn't end up in world if you specify -u.  I don't think it would atleast.
Dec 01 12:49:45 Halcy0n	emerge gcc would insert it into world, but emerge -u shouldn't.
Dec 01 12:49:46 brix	Halcy0n: oh, ok
Dec 01 12:49:51 Halcy0n	Hit one of those portage guys though :)
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Dec 01 12:51:10 amne	at least i'm not the only one who didn't know about -u implying -1 :-)
Dec 01 12:52:10 Earthwings	if i see it right, then glibc would be compiled three times during the update
Dec 01 12:52:36 brix	three?
Dec 01 12:52:41 Halcy0n	amne: I have no idea :)
Dec 01 12:52:50 amne	Earthwings: 1x emerge -e system, 1x emerge -e world?
Dec 01 12:53:04 Earthwings	1x emerge -uav gcc
Dec 01 12:53:14 Earthwings	if there's an old version of glibc on the system
Dec 01 12:53:15 Halcy0n	Earthwings: not necessarily on the last one.
Dec 01 12:53:21 Earthwings	but potentially
Dec 01 12:53:31 Halcy0n	Either way, we are a source based distro, you should <3 compiling by now.
Dec 01 12:53:38 Halcy0n	:)
Dec 01 12:53:43 amne	if it moves, compile it! :-)
Dec 01 12:54:17 Earthwings	my point was just that the --update is not needed as it will be done later anyway
Dec 01 12:54:22 Earthwings	but i'll shut up now :-)
Dec 01 12:54:36 Halcy0n	Earthwings: -e world will not update it, afaik.
Dec 01 12:55:03 amne	Halcy0n: it did on my box
Dec 01 12:55:35 Earthwings	Halcy0n: don't think so
Dec 01 12:55:46 Halcy0n	amne: hmm, interesting.  Honestly, I don't care which way you put it, so long as the end result is the same.
Dec 01 12:56:03 Earthwings	if -e world would only update the current version, ebuilds no longer in the tree couldn't be recompiled
Dec 01 12:56:34 Halcy0n	How about this, stick `emerge -u world` at the top and lets call it a day.
Dec 01 12:57:07 brix	brad[]: ping
Dec 01 12:57:24 amne	emerge -e with changed versions isn't a problem, as it only emerges all packages in world, not specific to versions
Dec 01 12:57:25 jkt|	Earthwings: well, afaik --emptytree world will emerge every package in the world file *and* its denepdancies
Dec 01 12:57:45 jkt|	and it wants to re-emerge glibc here
Dec 01 12:57:49 amne	yupp
Dec 01 12:57:51 brix	(and system is included in world)
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Dec 01 12:58:27 Halcy0n	amne: wolf is rewriting this currently in guidexml anyway.  Maybe you can just use his as a template afterwards since he's rewording a lot of it.
Dec 01 12:58:54 Earthwings	jkt|: choosing always the best version of deps, right?
Dec 01 12:59:19 brix	Earthwings: right
Dec 01 12:59:23 amne	Halcy0n: sure, if someone comes up with a better version i'll happily use it. just wrote this down because no one else started something ;-)
Dec 01 12:59:34 Halcy0n	amne: I just gave him yours to use as a template :)
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Dec 01 13:00:47 amne	Halcy0n: so, do we already have an ETA?
Dec 01 13:01:11 Halcy0n	amne: dunno, he's working on it now I believe.
Dec 01 13:01:16 amne	it's friday here in 4 hours ;-)
Dec 01 13:01:30 Halcy0n	EST is the only timezone that matters anyway :)
Dec 01 13:01:33 amne	heh, i meant on stabling, not the doc
Dec 01 13:01:40 amne	ESTonia?
Dec 01 13:01:47 Halcy0n	Eastern Standard Time
Dec 01 13:01:54 Halcy0n	Aka, east coast USA :)
Dec 01 13:01:57 spb	negative
Dec 01 13:02:03 spb	GMT is the one true timezone
Dec 01 13:02:21 nixnut	all others are just imaginary
Dec 01 13:02:33 brix	who needs timezones? make that UTC
Dec 01 13:02:39 nixnut	just figments of deranged minds
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Dec 01 13:05:53 amne	Halcy0n: btw, apart from the problems i documented (ran into all of them myself) the upgrade worked for me
Dec 01 13:06:22 Halcy0n	amne: cool.  Thanks.
Dec 01 13:07:02 Griffon26	If my compile with gcc 3.4.4 fails with undef'd refs to __guard and __stack_smash_handler, what can be going wrong? Where do these symbols normally come from?
Dec 01 13:07:26 nixnut	buggered glibc
Dec 01 13:08:03 solar	yeah. our virtual/libc provides those symbols
Dec 01 13:08:15 Griffon26	hmm, conditionally compiled in or something?
Dec 01 13:08:34 solar	they should never be conditional.
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Dec 01 13:09:00 solar	using any USE=vanilla stuff?
Dec 01 13:09:03 Griffon26	let's see if they're really missing...
Dec 01 13:09:13 Griffon26	nope
Dec 01 13:10:04 solar	scanelf -s__guard /lib/libc.so.6
Dec 01 13:10:14 Griffon26	oh right...
Dec 01 13:10:20 solar	that returns ET_DYN __guard /lib/libc.so.6 ?
Dec 01 13:10:20 *	Griffon26 slaps himself
Dec 01 13:10:36 Griffon26	I'm compiling valgrind here, which specifically does NOT link to glibc iirc
Dec 01 13:11:07 Griffon26	-fno-stack-protector should also work I suppose
Dec 01 13:11:38 solar	yeah it should. or http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/ssp/ssp_simple.c
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Dec 01 13:33:48 latexer	morning all.
Dec 01 13:33:55 kingtaco|work	hola latexer
Dec 01 13:34:02 latexer	how's it going?
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Dec 01 13:34:18 kingtaco|work	can't complain, just got back from a week in amsterdam
Dec 01 13:34:40 latexer	nice.
Dec 01 13:34:56 latexer	your car get keyed when you got home?
Dec 01 13:35:35 kingtaco|work	don't have one
Dec 01 13:35:37 kingtaco|work	:)
Dec 01 13:36:14 latexer	that works then.
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Dec 01 13:37:01 brix	latexer: I wonder who owned the car you keyed then
Dec 01 13:37:04 rangerpb	!herd ppc64
Dec 01 13:37:04 jeeves	rangerpb: (ppc64) corsair, dostrow, nigoro, omkhar, ranger, tgall
Dec 01 13:37:07 rangerpb	!her java
Dec 01 13:37:11 rangerpb	!herd java
Dec 01 13:37:12 jeeves	rangerpb: (java) absinthe, axxo, betelgeuse, compnerd, karltk, luckyduck, nichoj, sejo, st_lim, zx
Dec 01 13:37:20 latexer	brix: no no, it was an oblique reference to the movie Pulp Fiction.
Dec 01 13:37:25 brix	I know
Dec 01 13:37:36 latexer	ahh. ok.
Dec 01 13:37:43 brix	le big mac
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Dec 01 13:38:08 latexer	heh.
Dec 01 13:38:52 ReJ	Cheese Royale?
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Dec 01 13:39:18 rangerpb	luckyduck, you around?
Dec 01 13:39:58 rangerpb	or compnerd
Dec 01 13:40:38 Betelgeuse	rangerpb: luckyduck is missing in action
Dec 01 13:40:46 Betelgeuse	rangerpb: been for months now
Dec 01 13:41:09 brix	lucky bastard
Dec 01 13:41:17 brix	the rest of us are stuck here
Dec 01 13:42:01 kingtaco|work	Betelgeuse, he was around for a bit, iirc schools got him bad
Dec 01 13:42:17 Betelgeuse	kingtaco|work: Well last commit is in May.
Dec 01 13:42:59 Betelgeuse	But I hope he gets back some day.
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Dec 01 13:46:58 kingtaco|work	Betelgeuse, iirc, Kugelfang has been in contact
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Dec 01 13:47:36 Betelgeuse	kingtaco|work: I have heard that other people have talked with him too.
Dec 01 13:48:17 vapier	ha, current wwwredesign.gentoo.org is a final release candidate ?
Dec 01 13:48:26 vapier	must be the first of many :P
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Dec 01 13:48:46 Betelgeuse	vapier: I hope not.
Dec 01 13:49:00 brix	+1
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Dec 01 13:49:09 Betelgeuse	vapier: The Handbook is still a lot worse than the current one.
Dec 01 13:49:09 vapier	i hope so, there's a bunch of things on the mailing list that havent been addressed :p
Dec 01 13:49:16 vapier	not really
Dec 01 13:49:22 SuperLag	The only thing I don't like on it is the infinity symbol
Dec 01 13:49:41 Betelgeuse	SuperLag: Is that the logo or something else?
Dec 01 13:49:46 latexer	i don't like having the 'optimize' item right along the top.
Dec 01 13:49:54 Halcy0n	I still have trouble reading some of it because of the colors.
Dec 01 13:49:59 latexer	let's give others *more* fuel for calling gentoo a ricer distro.
Dec 01 13:50:02 vapier	the infinity logo sucks as does the big purple bar that wastes so much space
Dec 01 13:50:29 nixnut	"Note:" listings are still near invisible green on grey
Dec 01 13:50:30 SuperLag	Betelgeuse: yep.  The logo.
Dec 01 13:50:47 Halcy0n	The light puke green is hard as hell for me to read.
Dec 01 13:50:52 nixnut	"Important:" is even worse... yellow
Dec 01 13:50:59 kingtaco|work	latexer, you don't have solid crome 89" tires, a 46" exaust pipe and a 40 foot wing on your car?
Dec 01 13:50:59 jakub	yeah, infinity-- and I hate navigation boxes at the bottom, stupid and useless
Dec 01 13:51:03 vapier	Halcy0n: sorry, but user interface guidelines say you suck
Dec 01 13:51:09 latexer	kingtaco|work: surprisingly enough... no.
Dec 01 13:51:13 Halcy0n	vapier: damn my color blindness...
Dec 01 13:51:21 ian|static	the whole redesign kinda sucks. its really differs from what ppl vote for initially.
Dec 01 13:51:23 kingtaco|work	latexer, damn man, get with the times
Dec 01 13:51:42 latexer	i'll get on that.
Dec 01 13:51:44 Halcy0n	I like that navigation on the site is now consistent, but some of these colors are extremely hard for me to read.
Dec 01 13:52:31 Halcy0n	We also seem to be hiding some of the navigation at the bottom of the page.
Dec 01 13:52:36 Halcy0n	I just finally noticed that was even down there.
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Dec 01 13:53:03 vapier	yeah well if you ask curtis, that is NON NEGOTIABLE
Dec 01 13:53:14 latexer	lol.
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Dec 01 13:53:20 vapier	i think that dude needs a lesson in how to speak to his people
Dec 01 13:53:45 Halcy0n	Well, i'm going to have to write some CSS to change all of the colors on the website because I can't read it without my eyes hurting.
Dec 01 13:53:56 latexer	so the 'optimize' item is more important than the actual useful links on the bottom?
Dec 01 13:54:07 vapier	latexer: NON NEGOTIABLE
Dec 01 13:54:07 spb	latexer: yes
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Dec 01 13:54:15 Halcy0n	latexer: just call it what it is, a "ricer logo".
Dec 01 13:54:18 spb	because the only point in gentoo is that you can change the cflags
Dec 01 13:54:33 kingtaco|work	vapier, I think he's tired of some people acting like assholes about the redesign
Dec 01 13:54:39 latexer	maybe i'll have to chime into this redesign thread.
Dec 01 13:54:42 latexer	as much as i don't want to.
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Dec 01 13:54:56 latexer	kingtaco|work: dealing with *ssholes is part of working on gentoo.
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Dec 01 13:55:06 vapier	kingtaco|work: maybe, but that doesnt change the fact that his e-mail came off as basically 'heres how its going to be, the rest of you can f**k off'
Dec 01 13:55:06 *	latexer looks over at ciaranm.
Dec 01 13:55:28 Halcy0n	Hmm, the green on the grey is just unreadable.  I think someone just said that though.
Dec 01 13:55:48 Halcy0n	His latest blog post also basically implied this is the absolute final revision.
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Dec 01 13:55:55 brix	latexer: ciaranm has been acting much more friendly lately
Dec 01 13:55:57 kingtaco|work	latexer, indeed, though it doesn't have to be that way
Dec 01 13:56:07 kingtaco|work	vapier, yeah, I agree, the email is a bit rough
Dec 01 13:56:09 latexer	brix: i know, i'm just giving him a hard time.
Dec 01 13:56:15 brix	heh
Dec 01 13:56:49 nixnut	Halcy0n: hehe, yeah I did mention that, but nice to see it's not just me :)
Dec 01 13:57:10 Halcy0n	nixnut: I'm color blind, if colors don't have much contrast, you can pretty much assume I can't read it.
Dec 01 13:57:24 Halcy0n	That green is hard for me to read on any background.
Dec 01 13:57:25 nixnut	Halcy0n: ah, I see
Dec 01 13:57:37 spb	render it in greyscale and see whether you can still read it
Dec 01 13:57:47 nixnut	Halcy0n: the yellow on grey can't be much better then :)
Dec 01 13:58:06 Halcy0n	nixnut: where is that?
Dec 01 13:58:32 kallamej	Halcy0n: warning code listings
Dec 01 13:58:33 nixnut	http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org/doc/en/xml-guide.xml
Dec 01 13:58:47 nixnut	has all the examples
Dec 01 13:59:01 Halcy0n	Oh my god.  That's just painful.
Dec 01 13:59:19 vapier	no, it's HIG
Dec 01 13:59:30 vapier	take a page from GNOME ... clearly they're right and you're wrong !
Dec 01 13:59:58 kallamej	yellow should only be used on black
Dec 01 14:00:16 Halcy0n	Even then, that shade of yellow is way too bright, its distracting.
Dec 01 14:01:08 nixnut	mmm, not here, the text is just pretty much not readable
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Dec 01 14:01:33 jakub	oh well, the top purple bar wastes about 1/4 of visible space here w/ 1152x864 resolution... essentially useless... bleh; well the design seems final at least per that blog entry, so why bother
Dec 01 14:01:45 jakub	yellowon gray is plain bad
Dec 01 14:01:51 nixnut	yup
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Dec 01 14:02:33 jakub	and virtually noone will use the navigation boxes if he has to scroll all the way down to find them
Dec 01 14:03:00 nixnut	yeah, should be in a side bar
Dec 01 14:03:15 jakub	or replace the top purple thing
Dec 01 14:03:19 nixnut	indeed
Dec 01 14:03:29 Halcy0n	Its all nice that this is what people chose, but you know what...peopel suck then.
Dec 01 14:03:36 jakub	:D
Dec 01 14:03:42 nixnut	hehe
Dec 01 14:03:45 latexer	can we make this a lesson for the future: *NEVER* let the users vote on something as important as this ever again.
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Dec 01 14:04:04 kallamej	the majority is always wrong...
Dec 01 14:04:08 Halcy0n	latexer++
Dec 01 14:04:18 jakub	latexer++ indeed
Dec 01 14:04:25 latexer	kallamej: most countries have a minimum age for voting.
Dec 01 14:04:35 latexer	kallamej: so that 12 year olds that don't understand don't vote Barney into office.
Dec 01 14:04:37 Halcy0n	First thing you learn in CS classes, users don't know what they want or need.
Dec 01 14:04:59 ciaranm	the problem isn't the users here. the problems curtis119 and SwifT
Dec 01 14:05:02 kallamej	latexer: indeed, but some adults would do it too
Dec 01 14:05:05 ciaranm	and my are disappeared
Dec 01 14:05:20 latexer	kallamej: wanna do a poll of *devs* on who likes the design, and who doesn't?
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Dec 01 14:05:52 kallamej	latexer: feel free to do one yourself, I didn't vote for this design
Dec 01 14:06:17 ciaranm	i might've voted for the concept. i sure as hell would not have voted for the infinity or the obnoxious details
Dec 01 14:06:17 vapier	prob was that this was the best design of all the proposed ones when the vote ran oh-so-long-ago :)
Dec 01 14:06:35 Halcy0n	Yea, it had to be over a year ago now.
Dec 01 14:06:44 Halcy0n	Don't understand how it takes a year, but okay.
Dec 01 14:07:04 vapier	i dont make comments about why it took so long since i didnt work at all on it
Dec 01 14:07:06 ciaranm	ok. which retarded spazmo came up with embed-typeaheadfind.patch in SRC_URI?
Dec 01 14:07:06 vapier	:p
Dec 01 14:07:11 kallamej	of the comments in the forum thread mentioning the infinity symbol, a majority didn't like it
Dec 01 14:07:16 vapier	ciaranm: i think that was Anarchy
Dec 01 14:07:21 brix	this reminds me of the gimp.org redesign... <sigh/>
Dec 01 14:07:34 jakub	or SF ;p
Dec 01 14:07:40 jakub	cannot find anything there
Dec 01 14:07:46 vapier	ciaranm: i think you should write another slacker glep but this time for the site redesign :P
Dec 01 14:07:55 ciaranm	heh
Dec 01 14:08:01 vapier	summary: do nothing
Dec 01 14:08:02 nixnut	hehe
Dec 01 14:08:05 jakub	yay
Dec 01 14:08:13 jakub	vapier++
Dec 01 14:08:23 Halcy0n	I still really like the idea of kicking someone off the island every month.
Dec 01 14:08:38 latexer	brix: heh. yeah, this is the second one of these you've had to go through.
Dec 01 14:08:44 Halcy0n	I can think of a few people I would personally like to see go. O:)
Dec 01 14:09:09 brix	latexer: this time I'll stay out of the debate and the design
Dec 01 14:09:21 ciaranm	bleh. need food. too lazy to make sure that it really is Anarchy's fault before i call him a retard and reopen that bug.
Dec 01 14:09:22 vapier	eh, kicking turns the system into popularity rather than actually punting the losers after a time
Dec 01 14:09:24 latexer	brix: makes sense.
Dec 01 14:09:26 jforman	latexer!!!!
Dec 01 14:09:32 latexer	jforman!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 01 14:09:37 latexer	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 14:09:38 GenBot	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 14:09:40 jakub	lol
Dec 01 14:09:41 Halcy0n	ciaranm: what ebuild?  I'll look for you so you can do so.
Dec 01 14:09:44 jforman	lovely
Dec 01 14:09:51 ciaranm	Halcy0n: mozilla-firefox
Dec 01 14:09:53 jforman	latexer: just got my schedule for the spring. biggest joke. ever.
Dec 01 14:09:55 Halcy0n	1.5?
Dec 01 14:10:00 latexer	jforman: heh. 2 classes?
Dec 01 14:10:00 ciaranm	yeah
Dec 01 14:10:01 brix	jforman: oh?
Dec 01 14:10:09 brix	latexer: hey now
Dec 01 14:10:13 *	ciaranm goes to find something cookable
Dec 01 14:10:13 jforman	latexer: yeah. Monday and Thursday night. 630-945. thats it.
Dec 01 14:10:19 brix	latexer: I have two classes this semester ;)
Dec 01 14:10:33 jkt|	hmm, green-on-grey--
Dec 01 14:10:50 brix	jforman: 630-945 would be in the morning
Dec 01 14:10:50 latexer	jforman: lol. nice.
Dec 01 14:10:56 latexer	brix: slacker.
Dec 01 14:11:07 jakub	jkt|: and purple_bar--
Dec 01 14:11:12 Halcy0n	ciaranm: http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/www-client/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox-1.5_beta2-r1.ebuild?r1=1.1&r2=1.2
Dec 01 14:11:18 jforman	latexer: i kinda wish the Thurss was on Tues or Weds, but i'll take it. sort kills doing any midweek interviews if i dont skip class
Dec 01 14:11:31 brix	jforman: for gods sake - why can't you americans use the metric system and have 24 hours a day like the rest of the world? ;)
Dec 01 14:11:37 latexer	jforman: my best college semester was spring of my freshman year. had classes tuesday and thursday only.
Dec 01 14:11:59 jkt|	jakub: you mean the "manage", "customize", "optimize",...?
Dec 01 14:12:06 jakub	yup
Dec 01 14:12:07 Halcy0n	latexer: wow...you can remember your freshman year?  Mine's just a big drunk blur.
Dec 01 14:12:07 jforman	latexer: yeah, i was the oddball. i never had fridays off in 4 years of texas
Dec 01 14:12:15 jforman	hah
Dec 01 14:12:21 latexer	Halcy0n: i actually didn't drink my freshman year.
Dec 01 14:12:23 jkt|	jakub: purple_bar--, yeah :-(
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Dec 01 14:12:29 latexer	jforman: ouch.
Dec 01 14:12:36 brix	latexer: but you smoked a lot?
Dec 01 14:12:38 Griffon26	solar: you there?
Dec 01 14:12:43 latexer	brix: heh. no.
Dec 01 14:12:47 jforman	jforman: but then again, i graduated with a math degree rather than a psych degree, and can actually make something of myself ;)
Dec 01 14:12:51 latexer	brix: i did all that freshman year of highschool.
Dec 01 14:12:55 brix	latexer: then how did you become what you are today?
Dec 01 14:13:00 jforman	luck
Dec 01 14:13:05 latexer	brix: serendipity (sp?)
Dec 01 14:13:07 GenBot	'serendipity' seems to be the correct spelling.
Dec 01 14:13:16 jforman	and he can even spell..its a miracle
Dec 01 14:13:19 brix	I need a dictionary.. again.
Dec 01 14:13:31 brix	ah
Dec 01 14:13:38 brix	dict.org++
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Dec 01 14:13:50 latexer	m-w.com++
Dec 01 14:13:55 jforman	brain++
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Dec 01 14:13:59 ReJ	dict.die.net++
Dec 01 14:14:01 vapier	`emerge dictd && dict retard`
Dec 01 14:14:10 jakub	heh
Dec 01 14:14:18 jforman	mike, jakub
Dec 01 14:14:29 brix	jforman: heh
Dec 01 14:14:34 jakub	jforman!!!
Dec 01 14:14:38 vapier	`dict mentally hilarious`
Dec 01 14:14:47 rangerpb	anyone remember the trick for telling apache to process embedded php in an .html file? I've been hunting around w/o any luck ;(
Dec 01 14:14:50 brix	jeffrey forman?
Dec 01 14:14:51 vapier	jforman: when i need you i'll call, stfu
Dec 01 14:14:59 jforman	fair enough
Dec 01 14:15:05 vapier	rangerpb: just mark .html files as php ?
Dec 01 14:15:10 jforman	rangerpb: <? ?>
Dec 01 14:15:13 jforman	err <?php ?>
Dec 01 14:15:29 *	vapier touchs jforman's bum
Dec 01 14:15:31 jforman	or what vapier said
Dec 01 14:15:33 rangerpb	yeah, thats the embedded part I am talking about; but apache isnt processing the php gorp
Dec 01 14:15:36 jforman	vapier: honestly, i told you to stop that
Dec 01 14:15:44 agaffney	rangerpb: just tell apache that .html files should be processed by mod_php...look at /etc/apache2/modules.d/*mod_php* and see how it does it for .php files
Dec 01 14:15:49 vapier	AddType application/x-httpd-php .html
Dec 01 14:15:56 agaffney	yeah, that
Dec 01 14:15:58 Halcy0n	What vapier said
Dec 01 14:16:15 rangerpb	yeah ok, thats making sense.
Dec 01 14:16:17 jakub	rangerpb: you probably want another suffix, though
Dec 01 14:16:26 vapier	jforman: your mouth says no but your eyes say yesplz
Dec 01 14:16:27 jakub	like, phtml
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Dec 01 14:16:58 vapier	yeah, if your site is largish, having all .html files processed through php will be a sweet perf hit
Dec 01 14:16:59 brix	or .rangerphp
Dec 01 14:17:10 vapier	or, here's a really crazy idea, .php
Dec 01 14:17:12 Halcy0n	Or .php
Dec 01 14:17:20 jkt|	or .blesmrt :-)
Dec 01 14:17:27 jakub	phtml is in default config
Dec 01 14:17:27 jforman	todayhow many gntoo developers does it take to make common sense?
Dec 01 14:17:34 jforman	today's question: how many gntoo developers does it take to make common sense?
Dec 01 14:17:45 spb	third time lucky?
Dec 01 14:17:48 brix	jforman: depends who the devs are
Dec 01 14:17:50 vapier	probably less than it takes to get jforman to properly spell Gentoo
Dec 01 14:17:50 jforman	no, 2 is fine
Dec 01 14:18:02 jforman	thats what you're here for
Dec 01 14:18:02 *	spb renames this channel to #gntoo-dev
Dec 01 14:18:07 jforman	haha
Dec 01 14:18:08 ReJ	-O3
Dec 01 14:18:13 jforman	spb: vowels cost more
Dec 01 14:18:21 spb	WELL PAY MORE FOR THEM THEN
Dec 01 14:18:28 *	jforman makes a foundation request
Dec 01 14:18:33 Griffon26	solar: ping
Dec 01 14:18:40 vapier	plz2by4v0w3l
Dec 01 14:18:47 spb	"please supply jforman with money to buy his missing vowels"
Dec 01 14:18:52 *	jakub hands a half-empty beer to jforman ;p
Dec 01 14:18:53 cshields	heh
Dec 01 14:19:05 vapier	will work for vowel ?
Dec 01 14:19:20 brix	who is vowel?
Dec 01 14:19:24 jakub	:D
Dec 01 14:19:33 vapier	your mother
Dec 01 14:19:36 ReJ	/jn #gnt-dv, fr ll yr rcr nds
Dec 01 14:19:50 vapier	shes says to make sure you EAT YOUR BEANS
Dec 01 14:19:52 jakub	rheeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 14:19:54 GenBot	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 14:20:03 brix	rhet
Dec 01 14:20:05 GenBot	rheeet!
Dec 01 14:20:12 spb	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Dec 01 14:20:21 *	spb wonders how far you can push it these days
Dec 01 14:20:26 jkt|	blesmrt!
Dec 01 14:20:26 brix	spb: he doesn't like you
Dec 01 14:20:30 spb	so i notice
Dec 01 14:20:38 spb	but then noone does, so it's hardly unexpected
Dec 01 14:20:45 brix	aww
Dec 01 14:21:01 nixnut	heh
Dec 01 14:22:59 christel	aww
Dec 01 14:23:07 nixnut	lol
Dec 01 14:23:20 jakub	heh
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Dec 01 14:26:09 xmerlin	good evening everybody
Dec 01 14:27:45 nixnut	good evening xmerlin
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Dec 01 14:29:49 Mr_Bones_	Anarchy: wanna do the local use flags for mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird too?
Dec 01 14:30:01 nelchael	ferdy: ping
Dec 01 14:30:14 ferdy	nelchael: pong
Dec 01 14:30:32 nelchael	ferdy: can I bump dev-util/git ?
Dec 01 14:30:38 ferdy	nelchael: to what ?
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Dec 01 14:31:17 ferdy	nelchael: oh ... so there is a new version.... ok, I missed the announce email
Dec 01 14:31:17 nelchael	ferdy: 0.99.9k
Dec 01 14:31:28 nelchael	ferdy: no problem :)
Dec 01 14:31:32 ferdy	nelchael: I'll have it in a couple of mins
Dec 01 14:31:33 ferdy	sorry
Dec 01 14:31:43 nelchael	ferdy: great :)
Dec 01 14:32:18 ferdy	tgall_foo: ping
Dec 01 14:32:51 Anarchy	Mr_Bones_, give me a bit just got in gonna rework thunderbird ebuild to not support the canvas use flag as it is invalid on it
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Dec 01 14:35:42 simonov	hi all!
Dec 01 14:36:12 solar	Griffon26: pong
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Dec 01 14:39:47 MetalGOD	!herd pda
Dec 01 14:39:47 jeeves	MetalGOD: (pda) fafhrd, liquidx
Dec 01 14:39:57 MetalGOD	pingy
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Dec 01 14:45:27 jeeves	simonov: (utf8) lanius
Dec 01 14:45:39 simonov	!seen lanius
Dec 01 14:45:40 GenBot	lanius was last seen 3 weeks, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying ':P' in #gentoo-dev.
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Dec 01 14:45:53 simonov	bad ...
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Dec 01 14:50:22 Betelgeuse	Anarchy: ping
Dec 01 14:50:40 ReJ	Quite a small herd, that is. :)
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Dec 01 14:52:14 ReJ	He commented on bugs.g.o but a week ago.
Dec 01 14:52:55 jakub	heh...
Dec 01 14:53:08 ReJ	Can't remember ever seeing him on freenode...
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Dec 01 15:09:17 simonov	jakub: what do you mean?
Dec 01 15:09:53 ferdy	tgall_foo: re-ping
Dec 01 15:10:02 jakub	simonov: emerge wtf && wtf mia
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Dec 01 15:13:34 simonov	:)
Dec 01 15:14:09 simonov	hm ...
Dec 01 15:14:16 simonov	it's so bad ...
Dec 01 15:14:33 simonov	who now working in utf8 herd?
Dec 01 15:15:14 simonov	i want to be memeber of this herd
Dec 01 15:16:10 Griffon26	solar: if you could take a look at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9090629&forum_id=32038
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Dec 01 15:18:43 Griffon26	solar: if I'm not mistaken, one of the few options left to me is to build ssp_simple.c into a library and include that on the command-line after -lgcc
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Dec 01 15:22:34 solar	Griffon26: yeah pretty much you can provide those stubs. But you probably need to remove the syslog() stuff
Dec 01 15:23:05 geoman-campus	so is it just me, or does firefox 1.5 lick dirty balls?
Dec 01 15:23:16 spyderous	still compiling it
Dec 01 15:23:17 latexer	s:1.5::
Dec 01 15:23:39 Griffon26	building it into valgrind itself doesn't work. Looks like it's gonna be more patching than I would like to.
Dec 01 15:23:48 spyderous	but i'm prepared to whine about my favorite extensions being unavailable
Dec 01 15:23:53 Griffon26	solar: why are those things in glibc anyway?
Dec 01 15:23:56 bonsaikitten_	geoman-campus, since it depends on gtk+-2.8 I masked it :-)
Dec 01 15:24:27 geoman-campus	1.5 has been kicking me in the nuts continuously since I installed it this morning
Dec 01 15:24:47 geoman-campus	well, even before I installed it, but that's a matter of somebody not bothering to verision their patches...
Dec 01 15:24:51 geoman-campus	*version
Dec 01 15:24:53 spyderous	hope you're wearing protection
Dec 01 15:25:01 spyderous	oh yeah, that digest error?
Dec 01 15:25:04 geoman-campus	spyderous: unfortunately, no :\
Dec 01 15:25:06 spyderous	that was cool.
Dec 01 15:25:09 geoman-campus	yeah, the digest error
Dec 01 15:25:30 solar	Griffon26: cuz it's logical for them to be there or in ld-linux.so
Dec 01 15:25:50 solar	Griffon26: gcc4 is going to move them basicly into ld-linux vs libc.so
Dec 01 15:25:57 Griffon26	are they called from more places than just libgcc?
Dec 01 15:26:12 solar	all over the place
Dec 01 15:26:25 solar	the __guard_setup() is called from __libc_start_main()
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Dec 01 15:28:27 Griffon26	solar: all valgrind maintenance seems to be of late is to get information about hardened stuff and then have the valgrind developers tell me that stuff is weird/wrong.
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Dec 01 15:30:46 solar	well there are many forms of hardened popping up
Dec 01 15:31:02 solar	in that thread you see a guy talking about in kernel ssp.
Dec 01 15:31:29 solar	thats not only wrong it's a utter waste of resources.
Dec 01 15:33:04 Griffon26	where are you getting that from?
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Dec 01 15:33:21 Griffon26	it looks to me like the guy was in the same situation I am in
Dec 01 15:33:48 solar	the std hardened way at gentoo is going to be seen as somewhat strange. Yeah I can see that. wrong? Please give me email addrs if somebody out there needs to be clued in
Dec 01 15:33:49 solar	I have enabled stack protection (STACK GUARD) in the kernel as well as the
Dec 01 15:33:51 solar	libraries (LIBC ...)
Dec 01 15:33:59 solar	line 4 of the url you posted
Dec 01 15:34:20 solar	HLFS ^^
Dec 01 15:34:23 Halcy0n	Just curious, who do I have to stab to get something posted on gentoo-announce@ and the front page?  (For reference for tomorrow)
Dec 01 15:34:55 Griffon26	oh right
Dec 01 15:35:03 spyderous	i'd probably stab #gentoo-infra as a whole
Dec 01 15:35:03 Griffon26	hlfs?
Dec 01 15:35:10 Halcy0n	spyderous: alright, thanks.
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Dec 01 15:36:01 Griffon26	solar: well, except for that line, the kernel doesn't come into play in his problem.
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Dec 01 15:38:35 solar	I know. But I'm pointing out it's guys like that who confuse others to what we were trying to accomplish.
Dec 01 15:39:03 solar	Griffon26: anyway why would you be trying to build valgrind with a hardened gcc anyway?
Dec 01 15:39:32 Griffon26	I'm not
Dec 01 15:39:35 Griffon26	afaik
Dec 01 15:39:45 Griffon26	default gcc 3.4.4 profile
Dec 01 15:39:59 solar	your libgcc.a just has references to them?
Dec 01 15:40:16 solar	nm /usr/lib/libgcc.a
Dec 01 15:40:17 Griffon26	I think it's because valgrind does -lgcc
Dec 01 15:40:29 solar	but -static ?
Dec 01 15:40:55 Griffon26	just a sec
Dec 01 15:41:33 solar	ie not shared. not for use with a .so
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Dec 01 15:41:47 solar	btw its /usr/lib/gcc/*-pc-linux-gnu/*/libgcc.a
Dec 01 15:42:06 Chainsaw	*g* ISUE
Dec 01 15:42:41 Griffon26	solar: yeah: U __stack_smash_handler
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Dec 01 15:43:54 ciaranm	Halcy0n: thanks
Dec 01 15:44:09 ciaranm	Anarchy: dude, what's the deal with the broken distfile naming? not good.
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Dec 01 15:44:54 solar	Griffon26: the functions that libgcc.a provides are math functions mostly. Really there is no reason for libgcc.a to be built that way.
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Dec 01 15:45:22 solar	Griffon26: for now the only solution is to include some stubs or ignore unresolved symbols
Dec 01 15:45:22 Griffon26	solar: any idea what could've caused it then?
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Dec 01 15:46:02 solar	sure. you had hardened enabled when you built gcc
Dec 01 15:46:18 ciaranm	remember kids, don't do hardened!
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Dec 01 15:46:29 ciaranm	it doesn't make you cool.
Dec 01 15:47:05 bonsaikitten_	but it makes your vpenis harder ;-)
Dec 01 15:47:12 ciaranm	bleh. why don't my nice purdy x cursors work after i switched to ~arch gtk+2?
Dec 01 15:47:17 ciaranm	someone must pay!
Dec 01 15:47:28 solar	k well the trolls have come out of the woodwork. I'm outta here
Dec 01 15:47:42 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, that's a feature from upstream ;-)
Dec 01 15:47:55 ciaranm	i don't want no stinkin' features!
Dec 01 15:48:12 bonsaikitten_	then don't upgrade gtk
Dec 01 15:48:36 bonsaikitten_	I masked 2.8 locally since it's foobar
Dec 01 15:48:36 ciaranm	i also don't want a firefox that is full of gaping security holes
Dec 01 15:48:37 Griffon26	solar: so all people with a hardened system are going to run into this problem then. And they can't fix it by remerging valgrind with other settings.
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Dec 01 15:49:01 latexer	ciaranm: so don't use FF.
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Dec 01 15:50:57 ciaranm	latexer: hrm, lynx *is* pretty tempting
Dec 01 15:51:13 latexer	heh.
Dec 01 15:51:22 spyderous	how about epi
Dec 01 15:51:38 latexer	i use epiph as my main browser, pretty happy with it.
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Dec 01 15:51:45 ciaranm	too many deps
Dec 01 15:51:47 spyderous	or konqi
Dec 01 15:52:27 spyderous	that reminds me, i need to try the modular kde sometime after confcache is working in the tree w portage
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	konqui is a bit weird as a browser ... for ftp, fish, ... it's nice, but as a webbrowser I find it a bit lacking
Dec 01 15:59:01 ciaranm	konqy has even more deps
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	yeah, well i find linux a bit lacking! i'm switching to beos.
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Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	hehe
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	spyderous, it's lacking adblock, it is quite slow in rendering pages, it crashes more foten than FF
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	on a scale from IE to FF I give it 2.4 Opera
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	i've never had problems with any of them
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	I've been trying to switch myself over to konq
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	but it pisses me off enough to keep me on firefox
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	heh, that's about the way i am with mail clients
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Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	earlier today, when I tried to load up a page with flash, the flash animation locked up
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	ah, who cares about flash anyway
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	and unbeknowest to me at the time, there was some sort of "nspluginbrowser" process that was stuck running
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	i didn't even install the plugin on my laptop
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	flash is so x86 ;-)
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	which took over my sound device and wouldn't let anything else output
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	I have a piece of shit dell with that emu10k1x card which sucks balls...doesn't do full duplex
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	in my office that is
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Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	I was about to take a baseball bat to the computer before I noticed that process running and killed it
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	argh
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	spyderous: I care about flash, because espn.com doesn't work properly without it
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	geoman-campus, I used to have one, I upgraded to onboard sound
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	creative is evil!
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	and damnit, I need my sports fix
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	then turn on your tv
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	no tv in the office ;)
Dec 01 15:59:01 brix	I care about flash too - mostly the kind you write to, though
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	i see the obvious solution
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Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	oh yeah, and for some damn reason, flash isn't working at all in firefox 1.5
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	I just get blank areas
Dec 01 15:59:01 bonsaikitten_	feature :-)
Dec 01 15:59:01 spyderous	and then there's the less obvious one of installing a tv tuner
Dec 01 15:59:01 geoman-campus	even though it is listed in the plugins
Dec 01 15:59:13 geoman-campus	spyderous: no cable hookup in here anyway :\
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Dec 01 15:59:26 spyderous	just bring in a minidish
Dec 01 15:59:30 geoman-campus	heh
Dec 01 15:59:45 geoman-campus	actually, I think I *do* have tv tuner in this machine
Dec 01 15:59:49 kito	flash is the 15 minute guitar solo of web design
Dec 01 15:59:59 geoman-campus	the video card is a radeon all-in-wonder 9200
Dec 01 16:00:21 geoman-campus	there is a coax connector next to the dvi
Dec 01 16:00:33 bonsaikitten_	kito, I'd say it's more a sitar
Dec 01 16:00:54 geoman-campus	kito: bad analogy...some 15 minute guitar solos kick ass
Dec 01 16:01:17 kito	sure some do, but they are still self indulgent
Dec 01 16:01:17 spyderous	yeah, like the metallica one in binge n purge
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Dec 01 16:02:38 geoman-campus	spyderous: by the way, know anything about exa totally b0rking the display using the radeon driver in 7.0.0-rc2?
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Dec 01 16:03:11 spyderous	geoman-campus: nope, file a bug
Dec 01 16:03:32 spyderous	upstream, CC me and Josh_B
Dec 01 16:03:45 geoman-campus	I probably will, when I get some time
Dec 01 16:03:52 geoman-campus	right now, I have to go home
Dec 01 16:03:55 geoman-campus	bbl
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Dec 01 16:11:28 jforman	anyone know the status of humpback?
Dec 01 16:11:41 agaffney	 awol
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Dec 01 16:21:42 foser	swimming with the fishes
Dec 01 16:25:58 tgall_foo	ferdy, thanks for the update...  I use git a bit ... and fairly cutting edge versions ... so I guess in that way perhaps I was pushing it along if only for my own evil nefarious uses :-)
Dec 01 16:26:31 ferdy	tgall_foo: heh... it just so happens that version was a bit broken with our diff version
Dec 01 16:27:04 tgall_foo	what fun would git be if it was perfect :-)
Dec 01 16:27:38 ferdy	hahaha
Dec 01 16:27:58 ferdy	tgall_foo: you are free to keyword 'k', it should be much better than 'j' if you want :)
Dec 01 16:28:12 tgall_foo	thanks ferdy !
Dec 01 16:29:03 ferdy	I also want to add a good git.eclass to the tree so we can add a 'live' ebuild (as git-9999999.ebuild or something)
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Dec 01 16:29:19 marienz	yay bootstrapping
Dec 01 16:29:26 ferdy	that'll be somewhen near the end of the month or something
Dec 01 16:30:00 *	marienz wonders what portage is going to say if you attempt to merge git-9999 before merging any other git version
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Dec 01 16:30:57 ferdy	marienz: it will require you to merge an earlier version of git of course
Dec 01 16:31:08 ferdy	git 'live' will be slotted for that purpose
Dec 01 16:31:28 marienz	hmm, just curious if portage handles that, but with slots it probably does
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Dec 01 16:33:06 ferdy	I think it does the right thing... I'll see when I really start working on it
Dec 01 16:33:32 marienz	I accidentally wrote something that depended on itself once and that got portage a bit confused iirc
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Dec 01 16:52:44 ReJ	lol -> bug 114199
Dec 01 16:52:48 GenBot	ReJ: Bug 114199; "Emerge of openoffice 2.0 uses all space in /var by filing /var/tmp/portage"; [Gentoo Linux :: Unspecified]; {NEW}; James Mason->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114199
Dec 01 16:53:00 jforman	uhh duh
Dec 01 16:53:08 ReJ	harharhar
Dec 01 16:53:10 agaffney	...
Dec 01 16:53:15 marienz	"duh" is exactly what I thought
Dec 01 16:53:18 jforman	ouch...on a p3/700 ?!?
Dec 01 16:53:18 ReJ	RESOLVED INVALID?
Dec 01 16:53:21 amne	there's always a first time you compile OOo
Dec 01 16:53:22 agaffney	what a dumbass
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Dec 01 16:54:00 ciaranm	heh. OOo isn't the worst
Dec 01 16:54:04 amne	jforman: i always compile(d) OOo on my duron 800 and pentium 866, takes only ~24hs
Dec 01 16:54:10 marienz	ciaranm: what is?
Dec 01 16:54:12 jforman	thats not bad
Dec 01 16:54:16 ciaranm	marienz: probably some of the haskell stuff
Dec 01 16:54:16 jforman	amne: i've done it in about 4 hours
Dec 01 16:54:34 ciaranm	that or vim spell files, some of which need four gigs of RAM to generate :)
Dec 01 16:54:34 amne	jforman: on a duron 800? ;-)
Dec 01 16:54:40 marienz	ciaranm: I was kind of impressed by the installed size <-> tarball size ratio for boost, but perhaps I don't remember that correctly.
Dec 01 16:54:46 jforman	amne: heh, 3 p4/2.8 HT's distcc'd together
Dec 01 16:54:50 ciaranm	marienz: boost is mostly templates
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Dec 01 16:55:37 marienz	iirc it ballooned from 10 megs to 100 megs or something like that
Dec 01 16:55:54 amne	jforman: that's pretty slow then. app-office/openoffice-2.0.0 took 5hs 8mins on my pentium-m 2ghz w/ ~500 ram. you sure it did even distribute accross distcc?
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Dec 01 16:56:15 ciaranm	OOo doesn't distribute or parallel build
Dec 01 16:57:00 amne	sounds reasonable when comparing those times
Dec 01 16:57:05 agaffney	ciaranm: yes, it does...you just need to set a magical env var
Dec 01 16:57:14 ciaranm	agaffney: yeah, and then it doesn't work
Dec 01 16:57:19 agaffney	ciaranm: did for me
Dec 01 16:57:23 ciaranm	fluke
Dec 01 16:57:35 agaffney	ciaranm: I had my netra help my athlon compile it twice
Dec 01 16:57:40 agaffney	OOo 2.0
Dec 01 16:57:48 marienz	two flukes? :P
Dec 01 16:57:53 agaffney	heh
Dec 01 16:58:13 ciaranm	go try it with MAKEOPTS=-j32
Dec 01 16:59:14 ReJ	jer gentoo-x86/app-office/openoffice/ (ChangeLog openoffice-2.0.0.ebuild): Made OOo build to use less disk space (bug #114199). (Portage version: 2.0.53_rc7)
Dec 01 16:59:16 GenBot	ReJ: Bug 114199; "Emerge of openoffice 2.0 uses all space in /var by filing /var/tmp/portage"; [Gentoo Linux :: Unspecified]; {RESOLVED:INVALID}; James Mason->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114199
Dec 01 16:59:30 ReJ	j/k
Dec 01 16:59:59 marienz	ReJ: lurk in #-bugs, there's more "fun" ones occasionally
Dec 01 17:00:19 ReJ	marienz: Yet another #gentoo- channel? :-\
Dec 01 17:00:38 ReJ	I try to keep the number <10 . :)
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Dec 01 17:00:47 marienz	doomed.
Dec 01 17:00:57 ReJ	hmf
Dec 01 17:01:08 genstef	<10? How does that work?
Dec 01 17:01:18 marienz	it doesn't!
Dec 01 17:01:30 ReJ	I said I *try*. :)
Dec 01 17:01:36 genstef	ReJ: there is #gentoo-desktop, #gentoo-laptop
Dec 01 17:01:47 genstef	#gentoo-kernel
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Dec 01 17:01:54 ReJ	#gentoo-basement?
Dec 01 17:01:54 genstef	#gentoo-video
Dec 01 17:02:03 ReJ	#gentoo-bedroom
Dec 01 17:02:20 ReJ	There's a list of Gentoo channels on www.g.o too.
Dec 01 17:02:29 marienz	incomplete
Dec 01 17:02:42 genstef	ReJ: try /msg chanserv list #gentoo*
Dec 01 17:03:09 genstef	-- End of list (100/352 matches shown) --
Dec 01 17:03:11 ReJ	Sounds like fun. Does it scroll for very long? Can my 160 MHz manage that?
Dec 01 17:03:16 genstef	there are 352
Dec 01 17:03:27 genstef	it shows only 100
Dec 01 17:03:35 ReJ	Bug!
Dec 01 17:03:38 ReJ	Feature?
Dec 01 17:07:08 ReJ	Ought to set up an assignee funnybugs@ to automatically accumulate a list, pipe that into a fortune mod wrangler.
Dec 01 17:07:30 ReJ	Somehow.
Dec 01 17:07:33 amne	there's a funny bugs thread somewhere on the forums, let's see
Dec 01 17:08:13 ReJ	bug 114187
Dec 01 17:08:15 GenBot	ReJ: Bug 114187; "Bison and nocxx"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Stefan de Konink->Gentoo's Team for Core System packages; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114187
Dec 01 17:08:33 ajax	you need a tracker bug
Dec 01 17:08:35 amne	there it is: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-280522.html
Dec 01 17:08:36 ReJ	g++ not found?
Dec 01 17:08:49 ReJ	*clickity*
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Dec 01 17:20:28 marienz	ReJ: actually, that bug was perhaps not quite invalid, as afaics the failing code is in bison-2.1/examples
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Dec 01 17:20:57 ReJ	marienz: Build a nocxx system and you have no c++ executable...
Dec 01 17:21:04 marienz	nod.
Dec 01 17:21:13 ReJ	User can reopen it too.
Dec 01 17:21:21 marienz	hence his request to make bison grow a nocxx flag, so it won't build the c++ example if you don't have c++.
Dec 01 17:21:39 ReJ	hmm
Dec 01 17:21:52 ReJ	So it's just in the samples code, you think?
Dec 01 17:22:07 ReJ	And nothing else in system would use c++?
Dec 01 17:22:22 marienz	sure, lots of other stuff in the system uses c++
Dec 01 17:22:29 marienz	but afaik the only thing in the base system that does is groff.
Dec 01 17:22:45 ReJ	I think you have a valid point.
Dec 01 17:24:04 ReJ	The thing is, I was mainly looking at how he described what he was trying to do, which basically implies he doesn't know.
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Dec 01 17:24:27 ReJ	Best I can do now is CC myself...
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Dec 01 17:25:04 marienz	I get a bit annoyed with bugs that say "I think it would be trivial to..." yet don't include a patch.
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Dec 01 17:25:13 ReJ	Still, my second comment describes the exact sentiment I point out above.
Dec 01 17:25:56 marienz	the uclibc++ thing makes me suspect he's missing something.
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Dec 01 17:26:22 ReJ	Indeed.
Dec 01 17:26:42 ReJ	The word "pure" should sound your alarm bells too. :)
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Dec 01 17:29:07 solar	yeah that guy is wrong. One can clearly see it's c++ code
Dec 01 17:29:46 ReJ	solar: But wouldn't it be trivial to add IUSE="nocxx"? ;-)
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Dec 01 17:30:13 solar	yeah real trivial
Dec 01 17:30:49 solar	in the future you can reassign bugs with the words uclib* to embedded@
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Dec 01 17:31:26 ReJ	solar: ok
Dec 01 17:31:39 ReJ	Even invalid bug reports?
Dec 01 17:31:49 solar	sure we like to make fun of people too
Dec 01 17:31:54 ReJ	lol
Dec 01 17:31:57 ReJ	Sorry.
Dec 01 17:32:12 solar	it's all good. invalid is invalid
Dec 01 17:32:20 ReJ	:)
Dec 01 17:32:21 solar	infact thats the first ever uclibc++ bug I've seen
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Dec 01 17:32:35 ReJ	And I took it from you! Aw.
Dec 01 17:33:08 solar	spanky I think.
Dec 01 17:34:08 ReJ	?
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Dec 01 17:35:12 ReJ	SpanKY stole my ID?
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Dec 01 17:43:38 solar	I dont think you have an ID till he humps your leg
Dec 01 17:44:13 marienz	what! they never told me that when I signed up!
Dec 01 17:45:22 ferringb	the spanky leg humping experience is kind of an implicit thing when you become a dev...
Dec 01 17:50:20 ReJ	ok, I'll write to my recruiter instantly! Oh wait.
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Dec 01 17:52:29 ferringb	hah
Dec 01 17:52:39 ferringb	ReJ: fat luck getting that tool to listen to ya ;)
Dec 01 17:52:46 ReJ	rofl
Dec 01 17:53:13 mkay	axxo: just for courius: why have you added "=www-client/opera-9*" to package.mask? we don't have ebuilds for that anyway;>
Dec 01 17:53:23 ReJ	Ahem.
Dec 01 17:53:33 ReJ	Been wondering about that ever since he did it..
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Dec 01 17:54:24 ReJ	You kind of notice that when you immediately write your own ebuild for it, only to find it p.masked somehow.
Dec 01 17:54:43 ReJ	s|immediately|immediately upon release of a preview|
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Dec 01 17:55:48 ReJ	lanius seems to have a policy not to put betas and previews of Opera in the tree, and I do respect that.
Dec 01 17:56:25 mkay	well - i'm not sure. opera was always stable... even pre-releases
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Dec 01 17:56:44 ReJ	I have my problems with Opera 9.0 Preview 1.
Dec 01 17:56:46 mkay	BTW: the preview is already released. i've seen ebuilds for that somewhere in net
Dec 01 17:56:57 mkay	oh - you're using it?;>
Dec 01 17:56:59 ReJ	Sure.
Dec 01 17:57:07 marienz	you'll find ebuilds for just about anything somewhere on the net these days
Dec 01 17:57:09 mkay	well - i have problems with 8.51:|
Dec 01 17:57:23 ReJ	Every since it came out, since I had written an ebuild for it and un-p.masked it because of axxo's doing.
Dec 01 17:57:39 ReJ	So that's somewhere last month.. Couple of weeks running it now.
Dec 01 17:57:40 mkay	;]
Dec 01 17:57:48 ReJ	mkay: What kind of problems?
Dec 01 17:58:08 mkay	hmm - maybe i'll try it either... any changes in ebuild taken from 8?
Dec 01 17:58:22 ReJ	diff?
Dec 01 17:58:50 ReJ	I provided a new ebuild for 9.0_pre1 in bug 113405...
Dec 01 17:58:53 GenBot	ReJ: Bug 113405; "Maintainer-friendly ebuilds for www-client/opera"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Jeroen Roovers->Heinrich Wendel; http://bugs.gentoo.org/113405
Dec 01 17:59:16 mkay	ReJ: it takes 100% of cpu sometimes and a while ago it used 60% of my ram and this amount was still growing;/
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Dec 01 17:59:22 mkay	60% is 600mb
Dec 01 17:59:24 ReJ	lanius didn't like the nerdy exposed ebuild versioning. :)
Dec 01 17:59:38 ReJ	Yes, memory consumption, CPU usage...
Dec 01 17:59:50 ReJ	That's typical of a preview. 8.51 shouldn't have that.
Dec 01 18:02:07 mkay	yep - it's strange a bit;/ i've never had problems with opera and i've always used to install even p.masked versions..
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Dec 01 18:02:48 ReJ	But you're talking about 8.51?
Dec 01 18:02:49 mkay	for now i've downgradd it to 8.50..
Dec 01 18:03:03 ReJ	Plugins usually have their faults...
Dec 01 18:03:04 mkay	yes - those problems with 8.51
Dec 01 18:04:56 ReJ	Lots of tabs opened?
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Dec 01 18:05:24 mkay	about 25 i think;>
Dec 01 18:05:29 ReJ	ok
Dec 01 18:05:47 mkay	but it's rather normal for me. i've always had about 15-25
Dec 01 18:06:03 rane	cool
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Dec 01 18:06:19 mkay	(and there's no tab with flash or anything like that)
Dec 01 18:06:20 ReJ	25 is average for me too.
Dec 01 18:06:59 ReJ	So it's not the operamotifwrapper that's doing all the CPU usage?
Dec 01 18:07:56 mkay	no, i'm sure it's opera
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Dec 01 18:08:07 ReJ	ok
Dec 01 18:10:41 ReJ	I'll downgrade to 8.51 and check. :)
Dec 01 18:15:18 mkay	;]
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Dec 01 18:23:49 SuperLag	marienz: does that include paymycollegetuitionbill-1.0.ebuild? Can I find that on the net? ;)
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Dec 01 18:24:47 ciaranm	is uclibc++ usable yet?
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Dec 01 18:26:02 ciaranm	ugh. looks like not
Dec 01 18:26:09 ReJ	lol
Dec 01 18:26:16 ReJ	Only with -nocxx.
Dec 01 18:26:22 ciaranm	a deque for std::map is just plain wrong. *sigh*
Dec 01 18:27:06 marienz	a *deque*?
Dec 01 18:27:23 ciaranm	makes absolutely no sense
Dec 01 18:27:46 ciaranm	the memory requirements thing is also bs.
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Dec 01 18:35:16 Halcy0n	ciaranm: why would you want a deque and a map?  I'm not seeing the need.
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Dec 01 18:36:26 ciaranm	Halcy0n: no no. uclibc++ implements std::map using a deque
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Dec 01 18:36:48 ciaranm	so you don't get the logarithmic lookups or inserts required by the standard
Dec 01 18:36:56 Halcy0n	ciaranm: ah.
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Dec 01 18:40:34 drobbins	hiya
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Dec 01 18:57:23 RiverRat	drobbins: In case you haven't heard it recently:  "Thanks for starting Gentoo, I love it!"
Dec 01 18:57:48 drobbins	aww thanks :)
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Dec 01 18:58:56 latexer	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114146
Dec 01 18:59:05 latexer	awesome excessive use of the "DoS" acronym.
Dec 01 18:59:22 ReJ	Yes.
Dec 01 18:59:51 ReJ	I find "X server temporarily attacks the CPU" hilarious, personally.
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Dec 01 18:59:59 latexer	heh.
Dec 01 19:00:49 ReJ	Kind of plastic. Like "gcc briefly vomits over your bad reference."
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Dec 01 19:03:17 ReJ	Hmm. Might be the same utmp problem I and a couple of others are seeing with screen on x86, though.
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Dec 01 19:09:39 drobbins	back
Dec 01 19:11:28 rane	hi drobbins
Dec 01 19:11:31 rane	how's going?
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Dec 01 19:21:51 drobbins	rane: decent
Dec 01 19:23:05 Anarchy	evening drobbins
Dec 01 19:23:43 drobbins	hiya Anarchy
Dec 01 19:23:58 Anarchy	you take plunge with your lappy yet?
Dec 01 19:24:18 drobbins	plunge as in getting gentoo on it?
Dec 01 19:24:24 Anarchy	yeah
Dec 01 19:24:32 drobbins	hoping to tonight maybe
Dec 01 19:24:41 drobbins	just got home internet access
Dec 01 19:24:46 ferringb	drobbins: use portage .53 plus patches from my devspace, kthnx
Dec 01 19:24:52 drobbins	got that working this afternoon, just got vonage working
Dec 01 19:24:59 Anarchy	I finally got hp fixing issues in bios for acpi :)
Dec 01 19:25:01 drobbins	ferringb: really? :)
Dec 01 19:25:09 drobbins	Anarchy: kewlies :)
Dec 01 19:25:11 ferringb	heh
Dec 01 19:25:24 ferringb	drobbins: faster cache, roughly 50% less memory usage, plus a few other niceties.
Dec 01 19:25:32 drobbins	very nice
Dec 01 19:25:33 ferringb	d.g.o/~me/portage/2.0/ <-- here
Dec 01 19:25:37 drobbins	ok
Dec 01 19:25:47 ferringb	ignore the "experimental".  it's year old code ;)
Dec 01 19:25:51 Anarchy	drobbins, once they get all that fixed gonna get them to add a block for linux to os detection for enabling acpi specifics :-b
Dec 01 19:26:59 *	ciaranm mutters something about releasing 2.0.54, being 2.0.53 + that one patch
Dec 01 19:29:35 ferringb	ciaranm: will be the case most likely.
Dec 01 19:29:38 ferringb	plus pre/post hooks
Dec 01 19:29:52 ciaranm	yay
Dec 01 19:30:24 MetalGOD	ferringb, about marking 2.0.53 stable you guys will release a final version soon ?
Dec 01 19:30:38 ferringb	jason's department, but yeah, should.
Dec 01 19:32:45 dmwaters	evening
Dec 01 19:32:58 ferringb	hola deedra
Dec 01 19:33:05 latexer	dmwaters: howdy.
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Dec 01 19:33:57 dmwaters	latexer: :)
Dec 01 19:34:05 latexer	dmwaters: how's it going?
Dec 01 19:34:18 dmwaters	latexer: it's going
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Dec 01 20:01:30 Halcy0n	dmwaters: ping
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Dec 01 20:01:57 dmwaters	Halcy0n: talk to me
Dec 01 20:02:03 Halcy0n	dmwaters: /query ?
Dec 01 20:02:12 dmwaters	yeah
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Dec 01 20:12:37 ReJ	!meta bind
Dec 01 20:12:38 jeeves	ReJ: Package: net-dns/bind  Herd: bind Maintainer: [e-mail] Description: ISC's bind dns server, used the world 'round.
Dec 01 20:13:25 ciaranm	used by more people than djbdns, despite it being full of security holes. now what does that tell you about djb?
Dec 01 20:15:59 ajax	that his license is for poo
Dec 01 20:16:42 nerdboy	yo
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Dec 01 20:19:03 ferringb	ciaranm: the output from your script is god awful...
Dec 01 20:20:44 Halcy0n	ferringb: eshowkw?  I use it all the time :)
Dec 01 20:21:28 ciaranm	ferringb: better than the alternatives
Dec 01 20:21:43 Halcy0n	Its fast, and gives me what I want to see.
Dec 01 20:21:54 ciaranm	exactly
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Dec 01 20:22:33 ferringb	ugly output :P
Dec 01 20:22:43 ciaranm	it's in colour usually
Dec 01 20:22:51 ferringb	eh, just dislike the keywords vertically
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Dec 01 20:23:12 ciaranm	there's a good reason for that
Dec 01 20:23:24 ciaranm	you'd understand it if you did arch stuff :P
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Dec 01 20:24:46 ferringb	meh.
Dec 01 20:24:54 *	ferringb shrugs, still is ugly ;)
Dec 01 20:25:00 ciaranm	effective!
Dec 01 20:25:02 jforman	evening fellas
Dec 01 20:25:12 ciaranm	evenin' jeff
Dec 01 20:25:19 jforman	early morning to you
Dec 01 20:26:03 jforman	ciaranm: since you seem to be the most flame retard-ant one around here, who would you feel about some bugzilla downtime tomorrow, say in about 12-14 hours?
Dec 01 20:26:04 ciaranm	so it is
Dec 01 20:26:20 ciaranm	jforman: hah, fine by me, i'll be networkless then
Dec 01 20:26:39 jforman	well if it passes the "ciaranm-stfu" test, downtime it is
Dec 01 20:27:01 ferringb	jforman: downtime for what?
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Dec 01 20:27:10 jforman	bugzilla upgrade
Dec 01 20:27:16 jforman	finally got the time tomorrow morning EDT to do it
Dec 01 20:27:48 ferringb	hmm.  y'all ever come up with a solution that doesn't have bugzie totally unresponsive during backups btw?
Dec 01 20:28:04 jforman	there is no way, because i backup the DB when i bring bugzilla down.
Dec 01 20:28:20 jforman	i could keep bugzilla up, but i'd lock the tables, if it HAD to stay up. but its still basically useless
Dec 01 20:28:30 ciaranm	ferringb: that one's easily solved by a nice fancy disc array with flashcopy
Dec 01 20:28:34 ferringb	single mysql db handling it, or
Dec 01 20:28:34 jforman	i would rather reduce the amount of complexity and just bring it all down
Dec 01 20:28:47 ferringb	ciaranm: or you knock the slave offline and pull from it, resync when brought back up
Dec 01 20:28:55 ciaranm	ferringb: bad idea
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Dec 01 20:29:00 ferringb	ciaranm: reasoning?
Dec 01 20:29:00 ciaranm	ferringb: very bad idea
Dec 01 20:29:02 jforman	ferringb: take it as a time to refill your preferred beverage, take a smoke, or club a baby seal...
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Dec 01 20:29:23 *	ferringb isn't advocating rsync or anything of the sort mind you
Dec 01 20:29:26 ciaranm	ferringb: a) you'll get an inconsistent snapshot, b) you're just asking to lose both sets of data when a single drive fails
Dec 01 20:29:31 ciaranm	the solution is flashcopy
Dec 01 20:29:45 ferringb	eh?  how would you lose both sets?
Dec 01 20:30:00 jforman	be that as it may, it would take copious amounts of scantily clad women who know MySQL and bugzilla to convince me to keep it up during the upgrade
Dec 01 20:30:19 ciaranm	when the main drive fails and you happen to have an inconsistent snapshot on the backup drive
Dec 01 20:30:33 spb	how many of the puns/innuendoes in that line were intended ?
Dec 01 20:30:45 ferringb	lock bugzie in some fashion prior to knocking the slave offline.
Dec 01 20:30:52 jforman	spb: probably not as many as you read
Dec 01 20:31:05 ciaranm	ferringb: which gives you what over flashcopy?
Dec 01 20:31:11 jforman	ferringb: its not goign to happen. right now the DB is hosted by the OSL, on a single physical machine. once they start leveraging MySQL, i'll revisit the idea
Dec 01 20:31:16 spb	well, the most obvious was "keep it up", so let's start by asking about that one ;p
Dec 01 20:31:20 ferringb	jforman: just talking...
Dec 01 20:31:33 jforman	spb: touche, i didnt even catch that one
Dec 01 20:31:55 spb	oh, and "numbers", please
Dec 01 20:32:03 ferringb	ciaranm: flashcopy as in volume copy?
Dec 01 20:32:04 spb	last i knew women were a discrete quantity
Dec 01 20:32:14 ciaranm	ferringb: as in T(0) hardware copy
Dec 01 20:32:17 ferringb	if so, the inconsistancy issue you speak of is there also unless I'm missing something
Dec 01 20:32:31 ciaranm	flashcopy is rather sneaky. it knows about databases
Dec 01 20:32:36 ferringb	clarify
Dec 01 20:32:57 ciaranm	it tells the database to flush and suspend, copies the drive and tells the database to wake up again
Dec 01 20:33:07 ciaranm	the key part being, the copy takes less than a tenth of a second
Dec 01 20:33:22 ferringb	yeah, basically a flush, then a split of the volume... sort of
Dec 01 20:33:33 ciaranm	flashcopy isn't a split. it's a copy
Dec 01 20:33:53 ferringb	how's it manage tenth of a second transfers if it's a literal copy?
Dec 01 20:34:04 ciaranm	COW!
Dec 01 20:34:04 *	ferringb is reading a crappy ibm page about it, not getting as much info as I'd like
Dec 01 20:34:10 ciaranm	actually, there's more to it than cow
Dec 01 20:34:21 ciaranm	the document you want is one of the redbooks
Dec 01 20:34:24 ferringb	yeah, deletes ;)
Dec 01 20:34:32 ferringb	err, or not, that's a write also.
Dec 01 20:34:35 robbat2	what mysql backend do you use?  myisam or innodb?
Dec 01 20:34:47 ciaranm	ferringb: point is, it's handled at the hardware level
Dec 01 20:34:57 jforman	robbat2: no clue actually. havent looked in a while
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Dec 01 20:35:10 robbat2	jforman, if it's myisam, then use mysqlhotcopy
Dec 01 20:35:17 ferringb	ciaranm: requiring what from hardware?
Dec 01 20:35:18 ciaranm	to the host, you've got two separate copies of the data, and you can start writing to each of them independently straight off
Dec 01 20:35:43 ciaranm	ferringb: requiring that the hardware is fastT or ESS, silly :)
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Dec 01 20:35:58 ferringb	ciaranm: is our hardware fastT or ESS, silly? :)
Dec 01 20:36:12 ferringb	well, more of a jforman question there...
Dec 01 20:36:16 ciaranm	ferringb: hopefully next time we upgrade
Dec 01 20:36:20 jforman	ferringb: eh?
Dec 01 20:36:23 ciaranm	ibm like us, right?
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Dec 01 20:36:38 robbat2	hometime for me
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Dec 01 20:36:51 ferringb	huh
Dec 01 20:36:54 ciaranm	not that we have anywhere that could host ESS. but fastT starts small
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Dec 01 20:37:18 ciaranm	someone find seemant and get him to blag more hardware for us!
Dec 01 20:37:20 *	ciaranm giggles
Dec 01 20:37:28 ferringb	jforman: finding out the table type would be good, since mysqlhotcopy looks kind of nifty
Dec 01 20:37:41 ferringb	s:table type:backend used:
Dec 01 20:37:42 jforman	ferringb: nod. i will check next time i log into the db tomorrow morning
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Dec 01 20:38:17 *	ferringb still thinks abusing binary logging ain't horrid, since you get a live backup db in the process
Dec 01 20:38:29 ferringb	course... slows down writes.
Dec 01 20:39:08 ferringb	hmm.  actually... been a while since I've dinked with that crap, what's the actual cost of flipping on binary logging in terms of overhead?
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Dec 01 21:12:58 drobbins	okie dokie
Dec 01 21:13:09 drobbins	time to try 2005.1-r1 on this laptop
Dec 01 21:13:40 drobbins	for some reason the battery is always drained when I get back to this laptop
Dec 01 21:13:43 drobbins	not a good sign
Dec 01 21:13:49 `Kumba	poor batteroes annoy me
Dec 01 21:13:52 `Kumba	*batteries
Dec 01 21:14:01 drobbins	it's a p4 laptop but still
Dec 01 21:14:02 *	`Kumba glances at the battery on his raid card
Dec 01 21:14:06 drobbins	I think it was fully charged before it was unplugged
Dec 01 21:14:13 drobbins	must be some kind of weird battery drain
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Dec 01 21:17:24 jforman	gah, /me pushes off the damn bugzilla upgrade again
Dec 01 21:19:46 spb	who was bitching?
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Dec 01 21:24:44 gerrynjr	wtf
Dec 01 21:24:49 gerrynjr	in net-analyzer
Dec 01 21:24:57 gerrynjr	there is a tarball?
Dec 01 21:25:10 gerrynjr	admlogger_ebuild.tar.bz2
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Dec 01 21:25:23 gerrynjr	after I just synced
Dec 01 21:25:34 nerdboy	what do i need to inherit for gcc-major-version?
Dec 01 21:26:27 nerdboy	nm, found it
Dec 01 21:26:30 kerframil	nerdboy: toolchain-funcs
Dec 01 21:26:49 kerframil	oh well ;)
Dec 01 21:27:06 nerdboy	grep gcc-major-version /usr/portage/eclass/*
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Dec 01 21:27:23 nerdboy	brutal, but it works...
Dec 01 21:27:40 kerframil	works better with a caret at the beginning but yeah
Dec 01 21:28:30 gerrynjr	just thought that tarball in that area was odd...
Dec 01 21:28:45 gerrynjr	/usr/portage/net-analyzer
Dec 01 21:28:52 nerdboy	probably a mistake...
Dec 01 21:29:02 gerrynjr	mos tlikely
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Dec 01 21:33:50 compnerd_	anyone ever written SSE asm in linux?
Dec 01 21:34:42 kerframil	compnerd_: you might do well to ask RiverRat
Dec 01 21:34:53 compnerd_	kerframil: alright, thanks
Dec 01 21:34:55 compnerd_	RiverRat: ping
Dec 01 21:35:09 nerdboy	that's sorta like asking "has anyone ever operated on their own brain?"
Dec 01 21:35:18 compnerd_	nerdboy: how do you figure?
Dec 01 21:35:40 nerdboy	at least in rarity...
Dec 01 21:36:06 compnerd_	nerdboy: its somewhat vague and a very bad way to ask questions, I am aware
Dec 01 21:36:11 compnerd_	ah, that may be
Dec 01 21:37:28 nerdboy	the question is valid in and of itself, however, i only two people who read asm, one of them writes it, but it's motorola 6809
Dec 01 21:38:04 nerdboy	you not only asked for x86, but also a specific subset
Dec 01 21:38:27 nerdboy	that narrows it down to a handful of (mostly) living souls
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Dec 01 21:38:34 compnerd_	nerdboy: that is true
Dec 01 21:38:49 compnerd_	nerdboy: you work for Motorola?
Dec 01 21:38:50 nerdboy	*know two people...
Dec 01 21:38:58 nerdboy	not even close :)
Dec 01 21:39:04 compnerd_	nerdboy: oh, lol
Dec 01 21:39:34 nerdboy	the legacy command-destruct system at vafb uses 6809 processors
Dec 01 21:40:09 compnerd_	vafb?
Dec 01 21:40:46 nerdboy	the west-coast rocket launch facilities
Dec 01 21:41:40 compnerd_	oh
Dec 01 21:42:15 nerdboy	range safety rules say blow it up if it goes too far off course
Dec 01 21:42:43 gerrynjr	6809, woot
Dec 01 21:42:54 nerdboy	which means high-power ampifiers/transmitters and directional antennas
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Dec 01 21:43:05 gerrynjr	nerdboy: cool job
Dec 01 21:43:19 nerdboy	embedded software on multiple procs with voting logic
Dec 01 21:43:53 nerdboy	we didn't get to blow stuff up, we just got to analyze the code/system
Dec 01 21:44:56 nerdboy	but if you watch enough launches, you get to see some crazy shit...
Dec 01 21:45:50 *	gerrynjr thinks it's cool, but wouldnt work for the gov.
Dec 01 21:45:58 gerrynjr	or a gov. contractor
Dec 01 21:46:24 nerdboy	like the PK test launch that went up, backwards, sideways, and down
Dec 01 21:46:42 nerdboy	fell in the ocean about 500 yds off shore
Dec 01 21:46:47 compnerd_	interesting
Dec 01 21:47:17 gerrynjr	odd
Dec 01 21:48:09 nerdboy	the expensive satellite launches usually go okay
Dec 01 21:48:22 nerdboy	but not always...
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Dec 01 22:18:07 spb	peem?
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Dec 01 22:26:11 latexer	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 22:26:13 GenBot	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 22:26:47 compnerd_	evening latexer
Dec 01 22:26:52 Battousai	rheet?
Dec 01 22:27:00 latexer	compnerd_: how's it going?
Dec 01 22:27:10 compnerd_	latexer: its a going
Dec 01 22:27:40 steev	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 22:27:42 GenBot	rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Dec 01 22:27:51 drobbins	hi
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Dec 01 22:57:42 spb	lisa: just for information, btw, it looks like you've got yourself an official irc stalker. have fun with that.
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Dec 01 22:59:03 drobbins	hmmm
Dec 01 22:59:14 drobbins	do you guys think it's time for dhcpcd to make it onto a stage3?
Dec 01 22:59:24 spb	it was
Dec 01 22:59:28 spb	it got removed
Dec 01 22:59:48 drobbins	kind of a pain, imo
Dec 01 23:00:02 spb	eh, it's just another thing you need to remember ;p
Dec 01 23:00:06 *	drobbins just had to reboot a couple of times to emerge it from the livecd
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Dec 01 23:00:16 steev	spb: i prefer the term "extreme fan" thank you.
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Dec 01 23:00:26 spb	uh huh
Dec 01 23:00:28 tsunam	drobbins: I've done that on a number of installs
Dec 01 23:00:34 spb	on which note, bed time. 5AM is not a good time of day.
Dec 01 23:00:36 compnerd	drobbins: well, the idea that came to be was to install a base system.  because dhcpcd is not needed to boot a minimal machine, it was decided that it could be dropped
Dec 01 23:00:39 spb	night everyone
Dec 01 23:00:45 tsunam	night spb
Dec 01 23:01:11 compnerd	drobbins: personally, I tend to agree to the mentality, even though I use dhcpcd all the time (yes, I know that it is very useful, and almost every single machine will use it)
Dec 01 23:01:15 compnerd	nite spb :-)
Dec 01 23:04:48 tsunam	it'd ease the number of reboots (for the stuff you tend to forget when you do a install, course dhcpcd being one), however do we want to make users unmerge it to install another dhcp client package, or just remove it since they don't need it
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Dec 01 23:08:00 compnerd	tsunam: never said that it made life easy :-p, just said, agreed with the mentality
Dec 01 23:08:15 tsunam	hehe
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Dec 02 00:39:16 robbat2	i've got an app built with -ggdb3, and running it under gdb gives a very strange trace
Dec 02 00:39:31 robbat2	Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
Dec 02 00:39:31 robbat2	0x00000001 in ?? ()
Dec 02 00:39:43 robbat2	almost like glibc doesn't like it
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Dec 02 02:37:05 mkay	!herd ppc
Dec 02 02:37:06 jeeves	mkay: (ppc) anarchy, dams, dertobi123, dholm, dostrow, dragonheart, eklipse, fafhrd, hansmi, josejx, lizb, lu_zero, morfic, pvdabeel, pylon, rajiv, sejo, wormo
Dec 02 02:37:29 mkay	ping ^
Dec 02 02:37:49 JoseJX	mkay: What's up?
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Dec 02 02:39:52 mkay	JoseJX: could you mark net-im/kadu-0.4.3 stable? (bugs #112993 and #114070 ). 0.4.1 is a bit broken and has security issue (0.4.2 either)
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Dec 02 02:40:49 JoseJX	mkay: Yeah, I'll do it in a few minutes, let me test it a bit first
Dec 02 02:41:05 JoseJX	mkay: Is that alright?
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Dec 02 02:43:27 mkay	JoseJX: sure, no problem
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Dec 02 03:15:10 JoseJX	mkay: Seems okay, I've marked it stable.
Dec 02 03:15:30 dams	plop
Dec 02 03:15:34 mkay	JoseJX: ok, thanks
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Dec 02 03:20:47 latexer	Koon: ok, ipsec-tools stuff added.
Dec 02 03:21:30 brix	latexer!
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Dec 02 03:21:39 Koon	latexer: ok, will call for testing
Dec 02 03:22:04 latexer	k.
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Dec 02 03:22:46 UberLord	hello everyone!
Dec 02 03:24:16 dams	hi UberLord
Dec 02 03:24:37 ferringb	hola UberLord
Dec 02 03:29:47 mkay	JoseJX: hmm - according to viewcvs, you havn't committed that:>
Dec 02 03:32:53 JoseJX	mkay: viewcvs isn't updated immediately
Dec 02 03:32:56 JoseJX	http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/josejx/.message/35ab1
Dec 02 03:33:37 mkay	isn't it?;/
Dec 02 03:34:30 JoseJX	I didn't think it was, I might be wrong, but I definitely committed it.
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Dec 02 03:40:58 JoseJX	mkay: Reading through the GLEP41 thread, they discussed the possibility of having it update every 30 minutes, so it's definitely at least that, probably a lot more
Dec 02 03:41:57 mkay	hUh. i've always thougth it's just "live" look at cvs..
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Dec 02 03:55:37 xmerlin	good morning everybody
Dec 02 04:07:55 lisa	spb: what?
Dec 02 04:08:41 *	amir_ yawns and open his eyes
Dec 02 04:08:48 amir_	morning everybody
Dec 02 04:09:30 lisa	!lastspoke spb
Dec 02 04:09:31 glbt	spb last uttered a word on #gentoo-dev 5 hours, 8 minutes ago.
Dec 02 04:11:56 *	beejay|off rolls two giant speakers into the channel, inserts a Kelly Clarkson CD and locks the CD-Player so that nobody can decrease Volume or change the CD
Dec 02 04:12:01 beejay|off	MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:D
Dec 02 04:12:16 lu_zero	beejay|off nice
Dec 02 04:12:27 lu_zero	I like to enjoy that fine music
Dec 02 04:12:33 beejay|off	Look!
Dec 02 04:12:37 beejay|off	Everybody!
Dec 02 04:12:38 lu_zero	... unplugging the headphones
Dec 02 04:12:44 beejay|off	We have a Masochist in here!
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Dec 02 04:13:14 lu_zero	beejay|off just someone smart enough to remove the problem ^^
Dec 02 04:13:38 *	amir_ ponders if genkernel isn't missing a --dosuspend2 parameter
Dec 02 04:14:01 beejay|off	everytime I hear her singing it reminds me of a dentist's drill
Dec 02 04:14:11 lu_zero	hmmm
Dec 02 04:14:30 lu_zero	looks good as torture mean
Dec 02 04:14:56 amir_	!meta genkernel
Dec 02 04:14:59 jeeves	amir_: Package: sys-kernel/genkernel  Herd: x86-kernel Maintainer: [e-mail]
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Dec 02 04:19:44 nelchael	Anarchy: ping
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Dec 02 04:25:09 ferdy	nelchael: I bumped git yesterday... sorry for the delay
Dec 02 04:29:05 nelchael	ferdy: no problem :) thanks :)
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Dec 02 05:02:44 RiverRat	compnerd: pong, yes I've coded in asm/sse.  What can I do for you?  (Just got home and going to bed soon ping me in 8-10 hrs or drop by #-ops where I seem to live :)
Dec 02 05:04:42 Koon	mcummings: more patches posted bug 114113 :/
Dec 02 05:04:45 GenBot	Koon: Bug 114113; "dev-lang/perl: Perl format string integer wrap vulnerability"; [Gentoo Security :: Vulnerabilities]; {ASSIGNED}; Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114113
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Dec 02 05:07:55 mcummings	Koon: why is genbot getting these urls wrong?
Dec 02 05:08:06 *	mcummings is just curious - is it because of the nature of the bug?
Dec 02 05:08:09 Koon	because it sucks ?
Dec 02 05:08:15 mcummings	GenBot: you suck
Dec 02 05:08:16 GenBot	I'll try being nicer, mcummings, if you'll try being smarter.
Dec 02 05:08:57 DerCorny	now that backfired
Dec 02 05:09:12 *	jakub slaps GenBot
Dec 02 05:09:13 *	GenBot screams polite insults in an attempt to make jakub cry again.
Dec 02 05:09:35 mcummings	Koon: great...patches and comments from some guys i interviewed for a job with...my life just gets better and better ('cause i didn't end up getting the job)
Dec 02 05:09:58 Koon	hehe
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Dec 02 05:12:47 UberLord	lol
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Dec 02 05:15:51 GenBot	I have pictures of mcummings in what I'd under most other circumstances I'd call sexy undies. Disturbing really.
Dec 02 05:16:39 steev	er
Dec 02 05:16:47 marienz	how about you don't share, GenBot?
Dec 02 05:17:34 marienz	also, url looks fine to me
Dec 02 05:17:38 *	UberLord finds GenBot disturbing
Dec 02 05:18:17 *	rane kicks GenBot
Dec 02 05:18:19 *	GenBot kicks rane in the junk
Dec 02 05:18:37 rane	for me it's just a toy, and a tool sometimes...
Dec 02 05:19:38 GenBot	rane: Can you be a little less 2-year-old?
Dec 02 05:19:44 rane	:)
Dec 02 05:20:29 *	jakub punches GenBot
Dec 02 05:20:30 GenBot	jakub: Let me know when you grow up a little. Make sure you can finally potty by yourself before making that decision.
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Dec 02 05:22:14 *	UberLord throws confetti
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Dec 02 05:22:22 jakub	yay! :D
Dec 02 05:22:29 nixnut	:)
Dec 02 05:22:35 mcummings	Koon: i'm pinging gisle with a question about the patches, will post after i hear back
Dec 02 05:23:00 GenBot	jakub reminds me of those little furry animals always crossing the road, begging to be run over. Sadly, I can't accomplish this right now.
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Dec 02 05:23:29 *	jakub runs over GenBot 
Dec 02 05:25:25 *	Redhatter looks around at the mess.
Dec 02 05:25:33 Redhatter	Confetti + roadkill bot is not cool
Dec 02 05:26:15 UberLord	Redhatter: that's ok, we can see the remains to the local kebab shops!
Dec 02 05:26:42 nixnut	or just throw it on the bbq
Dec 02 05:26:54 nixnut	roasted roadkill bot
Dec 02 05:27:00 Redhatter	it's still left a bloody mess ;-)
Dec 02 05:27:03 UberLord	nixnut: you want to eat GenBot? eeewwww - you don't know where it's been!
Dec 02 05:27:03 *	marienz roasts GenBot 
Dec 02 05:27:21 nixnut	UberLord: sure, if well done
Dec 02 05:27:26 marienz	exactly
Dec 02 05:27:38 Redhatter	You'd eat roadkill?
Dec 02 05:28:00 nixnut	if you nuke it properly, you can eat anything
Dec 02 05:28:08 UberLord	after seeing some code, I'd hardly call GenBot "well done" :)
Dec 02 05:28:16 Redhatter	Yes, but I don't like my food glowing in the dark
Dec 02 05:28:17 *	UberLord runs for the hills
Dec 02 05:28:20 nixnut	hehe
Dec 02 05:28:46 nixnut	Redhatter: makes it easier to spot. especially if it's still moving
Dec 02 05:29:16 marienz	if it's still moving you didn't roast it long enough
Dec 02 05:29:23 nixnut	yup
Dec 02 05:29:42 nixnut	that's why it ain't eaten yet
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Dec 02 05:30:21 *	Redhatter gets the feeling that nixnut likes his meat "extra rare"
Dec 02 05:31:06 *	nixnut is a rare creature
Dec 02 05:31:31 Redhatter	Obviously... you wouldn't be talking here if you were "well done"
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Dec 02 05:32:04 nixnut	Redhatter: I could be a golem, those are well done
Dec 02 05:32:23 marienz	also not very edible
Dec 02 05:34:05 Redhatter	why is the song playing just now so appropriate?  ("Poison", not sure of the artist)
Dec 02 05:34:10 nixnut	well, edible is one thing, digestable something else alltogether
Dec 02 05:34:23 nixnut	-l
Dec 02 05:34:31 amne	depends. sandgolem yuck, steakgolems are great
Dec 02 05:34:52 nixnut	a the goatgolem expert :p
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Dec 02 05:49:15 UberLord	poison - Alice Copper? "you're posion running through my veins" top chooooone :)
Dec 02 05:49:28 UberLord	cooper even, not copper
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Dec 02 05:55:17 amne	!herd dialup
Dec 02 05:55:17 jeeves	amne: Perhaps I'm malfunctioning?
Dec 02 05:55:32 jakub	lol
Dec 02 05:55:35 nixnut	hehe
Dec 02 05:55:39 amne	stupid bot
Dec 02 05:55:49 amne	!autocorrect herd dialup kthx
Dec 02 05:55:52 *	jakub kicks jeeves
Dec 02 05:56:08 jakub	amne: Developers(6):   genstef merlin mrness sbriesen st_lim tove
Dec 02 05:56:51 jakub	amne: mrness is probably the one you want for dialup borkage :>
Dec 02 05:56:52 amne	those guys ^^^^^ - pingy
Dec 02 05:57:05 amne	jakub: thanks
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Dec 02 05:57:16 amne	jakub is the better bot
Dec 02 05:57:21 jakub	lol
Dec 02 05:57:23 scox	!herd net-dialup
Dec 02 05:57:23 jeeves	scox: (net-dialup) genstef, merlin, mrness, sbriesen, st_lim, tove
Dec 02 05:57:36 scox	maybe it's not the bot's fault? :>
Dec 02 05:57:44 jakub	jeeves: hmm, about time you woke up, you slacker... huh?
Dec 02 05:57:49 amne	it's _always_ the bots fault
Dec 02 05:58:07 scox	jakub: it's *net*-dialup :)
Dec 02 05:58:29 jakub	jeeves' fault anyway
Dec 02 05:58:31 jakub	;p
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Dec 02 06:09:06 genstef	amne: what is up?
Dec 02 06:09:10 genstef	amne: with net-dilup?
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Dec 02 06:11:15 amne	genstef: could you take a look at ppp? it wants to downgrade from 2.4.2-r12 to 2.4.2-r10 on my box here. i had some keywords magic in use here, but as far i understand it .12 was stable and is masked now again
Dec 02 06:11:46 amne	s/masked/removed
Dec 02 06:12:07 genstef	strange ..
Dec 02 06:12:14 genstef	mrness is responsible ;)
Dec 02 06:13:09 amne	argh
Dec 02 06:13:13 amne	all my fault
Dec 02 06:13:15 genstef	amne: is not -r15 stable?
Dec 02 06:13:33 genstef	what happened?
Dec 02 06:13:41 amne	just noticed i did not only do some keywords magic, but also some package.mask magic ;-)
Dec 02 06:13:44 genstef	really strange that you not upgraded to r15
Dec 02 06:13:50 genstef	ah, ok
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Dec 02 06:14:59 amne	time to clean up my package.* files i guess
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Dec 02 06:22:41 amir_	huh?! what's that? after switching to the current profile 2005.1 make.profile on an old gentoo system with portage 2.0.50-r1 installed i can't use portage anymore?
Dec 02 06:23:40 jakub	erm, what about some errors?
Dec 02 06:23:47 amir_	!!! 'str' object has no attribute 'insert'
Dec 02 06:23:47 amir_	!!! 'rm -Rf /usr/portage/profiles; emerge sync' may fix this. If it does
Dec 02 06:24:10 amir_	but it emerge sync's in a cronjob all 6h - so portage should be up to date
Dec 02 06:24:50 jakub	your system is too old... will require some manual fixing
Dec 02 06:24:52 marienz	amir_: sec
Dec 02 06:24:59 jakub	see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63400#c49
Dec 02 06:25:08 GenBot	jakub: Bug 63400; "Portage-2.0.50-r11 doesnt stack make.defaults properly ('str' object has no attribute 'insert')"; [Portage Development :: Core]; {RESOLVED:FIXED}; Niek van der Maas->Portage team
Dec 02 06:25:09 marienz	amir_: or http://mzz.mine.nu/faq/str%20object%20has%20no%20attribute%20insert
Dec 02 06:25:37 marienz	basically, revert to an older profile, upgrade portage, switch back
Dec 02 06:25:54 amir_	but the old profile i was using is missing
Dec 02 06:26:04 marienz	amir_: look in the profiles/obsolete dir
Dec 02 06:26:43 amir_	the system used ../usr/portage/profiles/default-x86-1.4
Dec 02 06:26:48 jakub	yes
Dec 02 06:26:59 jakub	ln -s ../usr/portage/profiles/obsolete/x86 make.profile
Dec 02 06:27:02 jakub	upgrade portage
Dec 02 06:27:08 jakub	switch to new profile
Dec 02 06:27:14 marienz	as documented in the faq, and probably documented in the bug as well :)
Dec 02 06:27:21 jakub	:D
Dec 02 06:28:06 *	amir_ will try
Dec 02 06:28:21 *	amir_ hides in a corner and reads faq
Dec 02 06:29:16 amir_	looks way better now ;)
Dec 02 06:29:52 *	amir_ did not know about the profile/obsolete folder ;(
Dec 02 06:30:20 jakub	you should update a bit more often ;p
Dec 02 06:30:24 amir_	yeah
Dec 02 06:30:33 amir_	it's a customer's box
Dec 02 06:30:58 amir_	it just works (tm)
Dec 02 06:33:15 solar	you better run a glsa-check on that after you get portage updated.
Dec 02 06:34:19 steev	so much to rebuild, so little time
Dec 02 06:34:23 jakub	heh... glsa-check will probably explode :)
Dec 02 06:34:26 *	amir_ reads up on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/glsa-integration.xml
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Dec 02 06:35:03 amir_	hi solar, btw ;)
Dec 02 06:35:07 amne	"glsa-check -f all" is almost scary
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Dec 02 06:37:33 solar	alias glsacheck='/usr/bin/glsa-check -nl 2>/dev/null | /bin/sed -ne '\''/^[^[:space:]]\+[[:space:]]\[N\]/p'\'''
Dec 02 06:37:40 solar	thats more what one is really after.
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Dec 02 06:43:15 uniplex	!d is a nice way to avoid having to use sed -n
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Dec 02 06:45:28 amir_	woooo... glsa-check is even scary on a fresh installed system
Dec 02 06:45:55 amir_	ah, no
Dec 02 06:45:56 amir_	;)
Dec 02 06:46:03 *	amir_ is reading it's out wrongly
Dec 02 06:46:08 steev	hmm, that alias, perhaps i have it in wrong, but, on my system, returns nothing
Dec 02 06:46:16 amir_	U is green ;)
Dec 02 06:46:25 solar	steev: thats a good thing
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Dec 02 06:46:47 steev	oh
Dec 02 06:46:49 steev	well then
Dec 02 06:46:57 steev	i figured there would be some type of output heh
Dec 02 06:47:09 marienz	"all good" is often "no output"
Dec 02 06:48:15 amne	yeah, like in "rm -rf /"
Dec 02 06:48:27 *	amir_ laughts out loud
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Dec 02 06:48:52 amir_	amne: rm -rf / returns output as soon as it reaches /dev
Dec 02 06:48:58 solar	stefaan: also if you use cvs for your PORTDIR it wont return anything. the metadata comes from rsync
Dec 02 06:49:08 steev	no, i don't
Dec 02 06:49:11 marienz	it'll output as soon as it hits stuff it can't delete, which is as expected :)
Dec 02 06:49:54 solar	I save my own sainity and just have boxes notify me when they are vuln. something like http://rafb.net/paste/results/kucMTz37.html
Dec 02 06:50:44 amne	gah, you nitpicks :-P
Dec 02 06:51:37 steev	woo
Dec 02 06:51:47 steev	3 out of 10 firefox updates are compatible
Dec 02 06:51:49 steev	awesome
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Dec 02 06:52:58 steev	solar: should that : be on the last line?
Dec 02 06:53:15 gustavoz	hmm out of curiosity, why does portage-2.0.53 have a hard dep on pax-utils?
Dec 02 06:53:28 *	marienz digs up the ml post
Dec 02 06:54:03 marienz	(or you could ask solar, that's probably faster :)
Dec 02 06:54:21 tigger^	gustavoz: for checking rpaths I think
Dec 02 06:54:31 tigger^	gustavoz: pax-utils is misnamed now
Dec 02 06:54:38 tigger^	it's more general than pax
Dec 02 06:54:38 tigger^	iirc
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Dec 02 06:55:02 gustavoz	tigger^: k, thanks
Dec 02 06:55:08 tigger^	gustavoz: s'ok
Dec 02 06:55:09 jakub	gustavoz: for FEATURES=stricter (I've been told) ;p
Dec 02 06:56:41 marienz	also, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.portage.devel/1372
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Dec 02 07:03:46 solar	features=stricter and to create the /var/pkg/db/*-*/*/NEEDED entries.
Dec 02 07:04:07 solar	with .53 it was really optional. with .54 it would of been required.
Dec 02 07:04:25 solar	and yeah tigger is right. It's a little misnamed.
Dec 02 07:04:44 solar	we offered to change the name a while ago but nobody could come up with a fitting name that was not already taken
Dec 02 07:05:15 lisa	sweet jebus. 310 meg worth of updates
Dec 02 07:05:27 jakub	solar: uhm, hope FEATURES=stricter will *not* be default?
Dec 02 07:05:43 solar	no.. It's a little anal
Dec 02 07:05:58 solar	some arches like hppa would fail for every single merge.
Dec 02 07:06:01 solar	ppc also.
Dec 02 07:06:05 jakub	a good
Dec 02 07:06:13 solar	they have messed up PT_LOAD segments
Dec 02 07:08:26 steev	just out of curiosity, why is firefox 1.5 final named deer park
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Dec 02 07:08:38 steev	shouldn't it say Mozilla Firefox ?
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Dec 02 07:09:21 solar	no
Dec 02 07:09:22 jakub	steev: search bugzie ;p
Dec 02 07:09:55 solar	we cant use the name firefox anymore
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Dec 02 07:10:04 steev	ahh
Dec 02 07:10:09 steev	interesting
Dec 02 07:10:17 steev	Gentoo Web Browsar!!!
Dec 02 07:10:22 solar	it's actually really lame. But oh well
Dec 02 07:11:28 jakub	well, if everyone upstream did the same, it would be a plain nightmare
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Dec 02 07:15:25 lisa	grrrr. i hate kernel packages
Dec 02 07:15:40 jakub	heh
Dec 02 07:15:40 brix	Halcy0n: do you still plan to mark gcc-3.4 stable on x86 today?
Dec 02 07:16:02 steev	looks like it is time to start putting firefox in the overlay again
Dec 02 07:16:42 solar	brix: that is the plan with gcc unless something pops up which prevents it
Dec 02 07:17:26 brix	solar: ok, thank you
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Dec 02 07:25:08 *	amir_ does not like glsa's output
Dec 02 07:25:35 amir_	55 lines ;(
Dec 02 07:25:44 solar	well dont run rkhunter then
Dec 02 07:25:52 solar	you will probably discover your staying late
Dec 02 07:26:04 *	amir_ nods
Dec 02 07:26:52 amir_	so much stuff to do - so little time
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Dec 02 07:27:33 solar	shutup your getting paid todo it :p
Dec 02 07:27:50 amir_	solar: sadly that's not the case
Dec 02 07:27:55 solar	clients tend to pay
Dec 02 07:28:03 solar	wtf kinda client do you have?
Dec 02 07:28:04 amir_	ah, there, yes
Dec 02 07:28:11 *	amir_ is checking his own boxes atm
Dec 02 07:28:12 amir_	:)
Dec 02 07:29:09 amir_	the only box where i have no glsa's is my freshly installed laptop and there i have other things to do, like getting suspend2 working and a lot more ;)
Dec 02 07:29:33 amir_	this crappy new laptop has cost me most nights of the last week
Dec 02 07:29:49 solar	off to work. bye
Dec 02 07:29:59 amir_	bye solar
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Dec 02 07:32:15 brix	later solar
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Dec 02 07:49:01 steev	so is there like a hidden fontslooklikecrap use flag enabled for firefox 1.5 or something?
Dec 02 07:49:26 nixnut	haha
Dec 02 07:49:45 amir_	is it advisable to wait with upgrading to firefox 1.5?
Dec 02 07:49:48 steev	i mean seriously, looks spectacular in 1.0.7
Dec 02 07:49:52 steev	move to 1.5
Dec 02 07:49:56 steev	and bewm, craptastical
Dec 02 07:50:04 nixnut	steev: I noticed that too yesterday, but today the fonts are back to looking as usual
Dec 02 07:50:25 steev	hmm
Dec 02 07:50:30 steev	maybe i should restart X
Dec 02 07:50:42 nixnut	steev: might help, dunno
Dec 02 07:51:17 steev	hopefully not too much is broken
Dec 02 07:51:25 jakub	sound like a normal gnome feature ;p
Dec 02 07:51:44 steev	they stole the flag from kde though
Dec 02 07:51:48 brix	heh
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Dec 02 07:52:55 UberLord	fonts are crap in windows now too
Dec 02 07:53:06 UberLord	so it's opera on win32 and konq for gentoo
Dec 02 07:53:14 phreak``	doah, since when are tar's like net-analyzer/admlogger_ebuild.tar.bz2 allowed in the tree ? *shrug*
Dec 02 07:53:28 UberLord	since like never
Dec 02 07:53:30 brix	phreak``: they aren't
Dec 02 07:54:15 jakub	o_O
Dec 02 07:54:42 *	phreak`` stabs ChrisWhite
Dec 02 07:54:44 jakub	lol
Dec 02 07:54:48 jakub	chriswhite
Dec 02 07:54:55 brix	again
Dec 02 07:54:57 brix	sigh
Dec 02 07:55:09 jakub	brix: well, it's still his two-days-ago session ;p
Dec 02 07:55:11 brix	someone ought to remove his commit bit
Dec 02 07:55:18 brix	jakub: yeah
Dec 02 07:55:36 jakub	someone kill that, thanks
Dec 02 07:55:46 brix	will do
Dec 02 07:55:49 phreak``	ok
Dec 02 07:55:54 jakub	s/that/that+him/ ;p
Dec 02 07:56:38 jakub	is there a way to do some sanity check in the tree? I suspect there's still more crap
Dec 02 07:56:40 marienz	heh, it's on the rsync mirrors too
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Dec 02 07:57:01 *	marienz wonders if cvs has some command to grab the last n commits from a person
Dec 02 07:57:17 jakub	marienz: yeah, except for chriswhite's session
Dec 02 07:57:53 brix	huh? it's committed to a branch as well?
Dec 02 07:57:56 jakub	they are not in history for whatever reason (probably noone suspected such kind of screwup ;p)
Dec 02 07:58:13 jakub	brix: yeah, he's got his own branch there now
Dec 02 07:58:34 marienz	gah, I'm too used to other systems, forgot cvs has revision numbers per *file*
Dec 02 07:59:44 *	amir_ pats svn
Dec 02 08:00:09 marienz	hmm, were they all on that weird "chris" branch too?
Dec 02 08:00:44 jakub	yup
Dec 02 08:00:45 brix	could someone please remove the 'chris' branch all together?
Dec 02 08:01:00 marienz	cvs log -rchris is way too spammy, I must be doing something wrong
Dec 02 08:01:05 jakub	he's got a branch in portage as well, with a nice empty commit :>
Dec 02 08:01:12 marienz	unless he branched the entire tree or something
Dec 02 08:01:20 jakub	lol
Dec 02 08:01:48 marienz	has someone asked him wtf happened already?
Dec 02 08:02:21 brix	no idea
Dec 02 08:02:22 geoman	brix++
Dec 02 08:03:38 jakub	marienz: he does not know :)
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Dec 02 08:03:48 marienz	does not know wtf happened?
Dec 02 08:03:51 geoman	he must have decided that this week was time for his monthly "I'm going to stick my nose into some other project and break it" session
Dec 02 08:03:57 jakub	marienz: manga overdose, ya know ;p
Dec 02 08:04:13 marienz	http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-analyzer/portsentry/files/portsentry.conf.5?rev=1.1&view=log
Dec 02 08:04:20 marienz	I suspect the entire tree was branched
Dec 02 08:04:43 jakub	someone wondered if he took lark down as well ;p
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Dec 02 08:05:02 marienz	this makes my cvs log -rchris command rather useless.
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Dec 02 08:05:14 marienz	it also hinders grepping through a "normal" log
Dec 02 08:06:31 jakub	brix: nice commit message ;)
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Dec 02 08:06:53 marienz	perhaps it's possible to check out the tree in its current state and diff it to the tree as it was before his crazy manga session?
Dec 02 08:07:09 jakub	shrug
Dec 02 08:07:51 jakub	some cvs guru should attempt to kill that damned branch
Dec 02 08:08:11 brix	I've just asked #-infra to do so
Dec 02 08:08:11 geoman	steev: by fonts looking like shit in firefox-1.5, what precisely do you mean?
Dec 02 08:08:27 geoman	steev: something like: http://beerandrocks.net:8080/~spbecker/wtf.jpg ?
Dec 02 08:08:32 UberLord	probably as in popping up in times new roman for no good reason
Dec 02 08:08:45 *	geoman chants summon goatmaster
Dec 02 08:08:56 geoman	and lo, jforman did appear, and it was good
Dec 02 08:09:41 marienz	jakub: I suspect just killing the branch isn't sufficient, as stuff like that .tar.bz2 also lives on MAIN, assuming I understand cvs correctly.
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Dec 02 08:10:08 jakub	marienz: dunno really how to fix such screw-ups :X
Dec 02 08:10:11 brix	marienz: correct, but the branch needs to be killed as well
Dec 02 08:10:15 marienz	true
Dec 02 08:11:07 brix	http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/chriswhite is fun reading
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Dec 02 08:12:00 brix	"remove", "remove", "... wtf", ...
Dec 02 08:12:08 jakub	heh
Dec 02 08:12:19 jakub	anime kills your brain ;p
Dec 02 08:12:45 vapier	i lubz teh anime
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Dec 02 08:13:13 jakub	you don't count, only humans *g*
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Dec 02 08:16:25 Phosphan	hi all
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Dec 02 08:22:07 *	amir_ wonders why genkernel's linuxrc does not have support for suspend2
Dec 02 08:22:12 araujo	Hello Gentoo'ers!!!
Dec 02 08:22:48 steev	i prefer the term "ricer"
Dec 02 08:23:09 *	UberLord slaps steev
Dec 02 08:23:14 amir_	is there a reason that there is no 'if [ -w /proc/suspend2/do_resume ] ; then echo >/proc/suspend2/do_resume; fi' in it?
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Dec 02 08:26:08 brix	amir_: yes
Dec 02 08:26:13 brix	amir_: it was not added ;)
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Dec 02 08:26:43 amir_	brix: wouldn't it be a good idea to add it?
Dec 02 08:26:52 *	jakub is giggling
Dec 02 08:27:02 amir_	brix: wouldn't hurt anyone i think
Dec 02 08:27:05 brix	amir_: could be - I've never used genkernel myself
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Dec 02 08:27:28 brix	amir_: if you decide to open an enhancement request for this, please CC: me
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Dec 02 08:34:18 marienz	eclass/date.log?
Dec 02 08:34:39 marienz	in japanese even, I think, wow.
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Dec 02 08:35:24 jakub	loool
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Dec 02 08:36:52 Anarchy	solar, ping
Dec 02 08:37:47 *	marienz wonders how much ChrisWhite will hate him if he stuffs that thing on his server with a different name and asks "I found this file somewhere, could you translate it please"
Dec 02 08:38:19 jakub	I'd really like to know how the hell can one do such screwup, seems pretty irreproducible to me
Dec 02 08:39:46 *	marienz couldn't resist
Dec 02 08:40:02 *	jakub is giggling again
Dec 02 08:40:10 Anarchy	jakub, we are all human we all make mistakes .. how fast a mistake is fixed is what one should be judged on
Dec 02 08:40:53 jakub	Anarchy: well, I'm just curious what would the steps to reproduce that be... :)
Dec 02 08:41:08 jakub	1/ watch anime for two days
Dec 02 08:41:11 jakub	2/ ????
Dec 02 08:41:11 marienz	might also help in finding all this stuff if we knew what happened
Dec 02 08:41:13 UberLord	Anarchy: well, some entites here are really machines, like vapier fex
Dec 02 08:41:18 amir_	!bug 114266
Dec 02 08:41:19 jeeves	amir_: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114266 enh, P2, All, [e-mail]->[e-mail], NEW, pending, enhance genkernel's linuxrc to support suspend2
Dec 02 08:41:21 GenBot	amir_: Bug 114266; "enhance genkernel's linuxrc to support suspend2"; [Gentoo Hosted Projects :: genkernel]; {NEW}; Amir Guindehi->Gentoo Genkernel Maintainers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114266
Dec 02 08:41:34 amir_	brix: created and added cc to you
Dec 02 08:41:37 Anarchy	jakub, LOL I know he was not  using repoman to commit to tree yesterday :/
Dec 02 08:42:04 vapier	I AM NOT A ROBOT
Dec 02 08:42:17 brix	amir_: ok thanks
Dec 02 08:42:20 jakub	Anarchy: otherwise I agree, shit happens... as I said, just curious
Dec 02 08:44:17 UberLord	vapier: I agree, robots are generally more agreeable :P
Dec 02 08:44:36 vapier	you just want me to not kiss and tell
Dec 02 08:44:55 Anarchy	vapier, have you tried to re-emerge firefox update yet?
Dec 02 08:45:05 vapier	Anarchy: no one asked me to
Dec 02 08:45:26 UberLord	don't you mean deer park?
Dec 02 08:45:28 vapier	usually when someone attempts to fix a bug they say on the bug 'hey, i just twiddled, please see if it works'
Dec 02 08:45:28 UberLord	heh
Dec 02 08:46:54 Anarchy	vapier, later today could you try once more .. I am still tracking that issue down. First emerge fails  for some people but second compiles without a problem
Dec 02 08:47:10 vapier	Anarchy: fails everytime for me :p
Dec 02 08:47:14 vapier	i tried like 4 times :p
Dec 02 08:48:33 vapier	bbl
Dec 02 08:49:21 Anarchy	in the last 5 days I have compiled mozilla-firefox 6 times on amd64 :p
Dec 02 08:50:04 brix	that's just sick
Dec 02 08:50:20 Anarchy	brix, trying to duplicate vapier bug
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Dec 02 08:51:10 geoman	Anarchy: so what do you know about: A) fonts being totally fucked in firefox 1.5 when you are using RenderAccel in X, B) most plugins simply don't want to work, and C) it seems awfully slow compared to 1.0.7 ?
Dec 02 08:51:43 Anarchy	geoman, you on gnome?
Dec 02 08:51:46 geoman	did 1.5 spend any time in package.mask before being unleashed upon ~arch?
Dec 02 08:51:52 geoman	Anarchy: definitely not
Dec 02 08:51:56 geoman	kde
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Dec 02 08:52:44 Anarchy	http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-403846-start-75.html
Dec 02 08:52:46 geoman	I got so fed up that I just had to package.mask it locally
Dec 02 08:52:50 Anarchy	that has all the info on fonts
Dec 02 08:53:21 geoman	Anarchy: the font issue I'm talking about can be seen at http://beerandrocks.net:8080/~spbecker/wtf.jpg
Dec 02 08:53:33 Anarchy	which plugins do not work?  Only people that have reported problems with slow are gnome users so kde is first I have seen
Dec 02 08:53:55 geoman	flash was completely fubar'd here
Dec 02 08:54:29 jakub	geoman: using addblock? broke it here
Dec 02 08:54:48 Anarchy	you have to use adblockPlus
Dec 02 08:54:56 geoman	jakub: adblock doesn't touch flash unless you have flashblock, right?
Dec 02 08:55:15 jakub	geoman: it breaks the thing, 100% reproducible here
Dec 02 08:55:20 geoman	jakub: lame
Dec 02 08:55:29 geoman	either way, that is minor compared to the font corruption and slowness
Dec 02 08:55:52 jakub	yeah, it's lame but it breaks it... well, font corruption is like normal gtk feature :>
Dec 02 08:55:56 Anarchy	geoman,  I jut pulled up fark.com and looks great here
Dec 02 08:56:01 geoman	it also tries to do some sort of smooth scrolling by default which is horribly slow and broken
Dec 02 08:56:16 geoman	Anarchy: that's just one page...almost every page on the internet is fucked like that for me
Dec 02 08:56:22 geoman	Anarchy: weeve has reproduced this
Dec 02 08:56:35 geoman	go back to 1.0.7, and *poof* the problem goes away
Dec 02 08:56:49 jakub	geoman: does -bin do the same?
Dec 02 08:57:06 geoman	jakub: haven't tried that yet
Dec 02 08:57:14 geoman	I was going to later today
Dec 02 08:57:18 geoman	right now I have to get to campus
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Dec 02 08:58:46 geoman	bbl
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Dec 02 08:59:15 Anarchy	http://dev.gentoo.org/~anarchy/images/fark.png
Dec 02 08:59:52 spb	right, so sometimes it works
Dec 02 09:00:00 spb	but sometimes it doesn't, so it still needs fixing
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Dec 02 09:01:18 jakub	Mr_Bones_: are you doing QA fixes for ChrisWhite branch now, as well? :)
Dec 02 09:01:23 jakub	http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-admin/rackview/rackview-0.09.ebuild?rev=1.2&view=log
Dec 02 09:01:27 jakub	someone please punt
Dec 02 09:01:50 *	GenBot borrows jforman's goat, aims it at jakub, and then applies a stick pin to the goat.
Dec 02 09:01:57 marienz	jakub: it might be sane, I haven't tested it.
Dec 02 09:02:10 jakub	marienz: another branch is not sane, really
Dec 02 09:02:33 marienz	jakub: the whitespace trim was on the HEAD branch
Dec 02 09:03:36 marienz	also, en.txt doesn't look sane
Dec 02 09:03:45 marienz	can I remove that or is this some weird new thing I've missed? :)
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Dec 02 09:04:03 jakub	sigh
Dec 02 09:04:05 marienz	same for ja.txt
Dec 02 09:04:13 jakub	is there any way to restore sanity in the tree? :(
Dec 02 09:05:08 Anarchy	looks like ChrisWhite needs a dev bug opened on him
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Dec 02 09:06:08 jakub	marienz: wrt rackview, there's not a word in changelog about the new version, I suspect it's crap as well
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Dec 02 09:06:47 Anarchy	jakub, repoman does not complain about it just missing meta
Dec 02 09:07:29 marienz	ReJ: perhaps ./app-text/an/files/an_0.95-3.diff.gz should be gunzipped?
Dec 02 09:07:41 marienz	ReJ: (stored as plain text in the tree, I mean)
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Dec 02 09:08:38 marienz	could someone else remove those ja.txt and en.txt from the tree root please? I've got to run.
Dec 02 09:11:44 tigger^	!herd netmon
Dec 02 09:11:45 jeeves	tigger^: (netmon) angusyoung, dragonheart, eldad, ka0ttic, mkay, ramereth, smithj, soulse, strerror, vanquirius, vapier
Dec 02 09:11:58 tigger^	ka0ttic: hi sweety pie. around?
Dec 02 09:14:34 tigger^	strerror: you about?
Dec 02 09:15:19 jakub	solar: where are you? You broken OO.org! ;p Bug 114268
Dec 02 09:15:22 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114268; "app-office/openoffice-2.0.0 fails to build, solar.h not found, and can't be made"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW};  ->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114268
Dec 02 09:15:41 nixnut	hehe
Dec 02 09:16:25 UberLord	LOL
Dec 02 09:17:02 tigger^	jakub: duh
Dec 02 09:17:06 tigger^	"can't be found"
Dec 02 09:17:10 tigger^	oh
Dec 02 09:17:11 tigger^	made
Dec 02 09:17:12 tigger^	nm heh
Dec 02 09:17:22 tigger^	ah yeah
Dec 02 09:17:24 tigger^	not found
Dec 02 09:17:30 tigger^	ug I'm ill
Dec 02 09:17:31 tigger^	ignore me
Dec 02 09:17:33 *	tigger^ shuts up
Dec 02 09:17:41 brix	thanks
Dec 02 09:17:43 brix	;)
Dec 02 09:17:49 jakub	lol
Dec 02 09:17:53 *	tigger^ apologises for inane rambling
Dec 02 09:18:21 scox	you sound like peter
Dec 02 09:19:05 strerror_work	tigger^: syn
Dec 02 09:19:08 tigger^	strerror_work: oi oi
Dec 02 09:19:16 tigger^	strerror_work: can you fix something for me please?
Dec 02 09:19:21 tigger^	http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104704
Dec 02 09:19:21 strerror_work	tigger^: maybe ....
Dec 02 09:19:24 GenBot	tigger^: Bug 104704; "prelude-manager try to access /var/lib/run instead of /var/run"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {REOPENED}; Frittella Laurento->Netmon Herd
Dec 02 09:19:46 strerror_work	tigger^: soulse asked me to do that for him days ago because he couldn't access it at the time but he said if i couldn't he would from home
Dec 02 09:19:51 strerror_work	i guess he never made it home
Dec 02 09:19:55 tigger^	heh
Dec 02 09:20:06 tigger^	if you could do that, I'll add another beer to the list
Dec 02 09:20:23 strerror_work	i'll go take a look, given i don't know it though can you comment on the ticket if the fix listed works etc or if i need to go into paranoid mode and double check everything
Dec 02 09:20:36 tigger^	strerror_work: it works
Dec 02 09:20:38 tigger^	strerror_work: it's from me
Dec 02 09:20:44 tigger^	strerror_work: tested by me and the prelude author
Dec 02 09:21:02 strerror_work	k, give me a couple
Dec 02 09:21:14 tigger^	sure
Dec 02 09:21:15 tigger^	thanks
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Dec 02 09:38:55 r3pek	dsd_: patch is already on Linus' tree
Dec 02 09:39:16 r3pek	buah... wront window :/
Dec 02 09:39:19 r3pek	*wrong
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Dec 02 09:42:57 steev	teh car shopping, woo
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Dec 02 09:43:13 strerror_work	tigger^: back, looking at that for you now
Dec 02 09:43:18 tigger^	strerror_work: thanks
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Dec 02 09:44:38 strerror_work	tigger^: its the ebuild attachment thats correct? the patch is bogus. is that right?
Dec 02 09:44:50 tigger^	sec
Dec 02 09:45:18 tigger^	yes, last attachment is the one true ebuild
Dec 02 09:45:18 tigger^	;)
Dec 02 09:46:59 strerror_work	tigger^: and in the darkness bind them?
Dec 02 09:47:15 spb	no, that's for the dns people
Dec 02 09:54:49 Joker	this is so weird ... freshclam as daemon always write "up to date" .. but when i start it as command it fetches stuff
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Dec 02 09:57:20 jakub	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/02/hamster_firework/ - yuck, poor jforman :)
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Dec 02 09:58:12 infowolfe	!herd netmon
Dec 02 09:58:13 jeeves	infowolfe: (netmon) angusyoung, dragonheart, eldad, ka0ttic, mkay, ramereth, smithj, soulse, strerror, vanquirius, vapier
Dec 02 09:58:20 infowolfe	hrm.
Dec 02 09:58:31 strerror_work	infowolfe: rst
Dec 02 09:58:57 infowolfe	strerror_work, seen 76018?
Dec 02 09:59:26 infowolfe	also, would it be wise for us to einfo that scripts for rrdtool 1.0.x are NOT compatible with 1.2.x
Dec 02 10:01:58 infowolfe	strerror_work, if you haven't already seen: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76018
Dec 02 10:02:01 GenBot	infowolfe: Bug 76018; "Munin is a time series graphing utility that provides server/device monitoring capability"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Arhont->Default Assignee for New Packages
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Dec 02 10:10:36 strerror_work	infowolfe: i'll have a look in a sec, just a bit busy atm sorry
Dec 02 10:11:13 infowolfe	np
Dec 02 10:11:46 jaervosz	UberLord: your patch solved the startup order with asterisk
Dec 02 10:12:11 UberLord	jaervosz: most excellent :)
Dec 02 10:12:22 jaervosz	UberLord: exactly!
Dec 02 10:12:57 UberLord	actually, the issue was with autoconf, but never mind ;)
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Dec 02 10:18:41 jaervosz	UberLord: if you say so, your the init script expert, I'm just glad it worked:-)
Dec 02 10:19:24 UberLord	well, autoconf highlighted the issue rather
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Dec 02 10:21:51 strerror_work	tigger^: done for prelude-manager, but do me a favour and have a quick look as i _might_ have fscked something with my gpg signing
Dec 02 10:22:31 spyderous	anybody put together a gpg signing w/ portage doc yet?
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Dec 02 10:24:37 strerror_work	infowolfe: syn ack, whats up? (i've seen the bug before yes)
Dec 02 10:25:15 infowolfe	any idea why nobody's picked it up yet?
Dec 02 10:26:26 strerror_work	infowolfe: time, time time see whats become of me ...
Dec 02 10:26:43 infowolfe	lol
Dec 02 10:26:53 strerror_work	munin is quite nice, but i guess it doesn't have mindshare
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Dec 02 10:27:01 infowolfe	mindshare?
Dec 02 10:27:09 strerror_work	i myself considered using it, but orca / cacti / nagios do it better in a sense
Dec 02 10:27:13 strerror_work	or rather have things over it
Dec 02 10:27:20 strerror_work	orca in particular tends to beat it fairly comprehensively
Dec 02 10:27:49 strerror_work	so that said, the question becomes why would people use it fi, rightly or wrongly, the perception is that there are better tools out there
Dec 02 10:28:00 infowolfe	ease of use?
Dec 02 10:28:08 *	infowolfe hasn't seen orca
Dec 02 10:28:14 strerror_work	hence, mindshare, i don't think munin has much, at least not in the monitoring circles i move in
Dec 02 10:28:47 infowolfe	for people that want a simple, easy to configure, easily extensible monitoring package, munin fits the bill quite nicely imho
Dec 02 10:28:53 strerror_work	infowolfe: http://www.orcaware.com/orca/
Dec 02 10:29:07 steev	any autotoolers around?
Dec 02 10:29:15 strerror_work	infowolfe: I don't disagree, but more often then not people either want hardcore monitoring solutions, or they want none ;)
Dec 02 10:29:27 strerror_work	cacti tends to pick up the people that fall through the cracks
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Dec 02 10:29:55 infowolfe	cacti is a pain to get setup correctly
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Dec 02 10:30:14 infowolfe	not to mention, highly irritating to setup for large networks of hosts
Dec 02 10:30:14 strerror_work	infowolfe: interesting, most people chose cacti because of how easy it is to setup
Dec 02 10:30:28 strerror_work	infowolfe: its not an enterprise solution, hence orca
Dec 02 10:30:35 infowolfe	lol
Dec 02 10:30:58 *	infowolfe notices orca isn't in portage either ;-)
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Dec 02 10:31:16 infowolfe	strerror, i'm really not a fan of point and click
Dec 02 10:31:25 Sebastian	spyderous: ping
Dec 02 10:31:31 infowolfe	i'd rather be able to setup a script to auto-generate my configs for me from something like /etc/hosts
Dec 02 10:31:38 strerror_work	infowolfe: me either, in fact I really don't like it, but then I'm not the average user
Dec 02 10:31:44 infowolfe	lol
Dec 02 10:32:04 strerror_work	infowolfe: check out orca, its actually exceptionally kewl, but its non trivial to get it setup and running nicely
Dec 02 10:32:15 *	strerror_work was actually thinking about rewriting orca entirely in python for modern linux system
Dec 02 10:32:31 *	strerror_work then got side tracked... mainly due to tigger dumping bugs on him ;)
Dec 02 10:32:43 infowolfe	the reason i like the idea of having munin, is it's trivial to setup, already has rrdtool 1.0.x and rrdtool 1.2.x support
Dec 02 10:32:47 vapier	!away Flameeeyes
Dec 02 10:32:48 jeeves	Flameeeyes -> did not edit his/her devaway and or I'm malfunctioning.
Dec 02 10:32:52 vapier	fag
Dec 02 10:32:58 strerror_work	infowolfe: nothing stopping you from becoming its maintainer ;)
Dec 02 10:33:09 infowolfe	strerror_work, other than that i'm not a coder ;-)
Dec 02 10:33:26 strerror_work	infowolfe: i meant of the ebuild not the project ;)
Dec 02 10:33:32 infowolfe	lol
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Dec 02 10:33:41 infowolfe	hrm.
Dec 02 10:33:43 infowolfe	lol
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Dec 02 10:33:59 infowolfe	ebuild already exists, and i'm not a dev ;-)
Dec 02 10:34:05 *	strerror_work assumed you were going through it with +v in here
Dec 02 10:34:18 infowolfe	strerror_work, no, i've just been +v a very long time ;-)
Dec 02 10:34:44 infowolfe	and every once in a while, i come up with something that's actually worthwhile and requires me bugging someone with better skills
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Dec 02 10:35:17 strerror_work	infowolfe: tell you what, go check out the ebuild, QA it, then post a patch / comment saying you think its good and I'll have a look at maintaining
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Dec 02 10:36:25 infowolfe	strerror_work, any chance i can get you to add an einfo line to rrd 1.2.x series notifying users that rrdtool-based scripts probably won't work correctly?
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Dec 02 10:36:38 Sebastian	steev: Do we have Tano in portage already?
Dec 02 10:36:42 brix	infowolfe: eek, why not?
Dec 02 10:36:42 *	infowolfe notes that FRAME is not a valid color in 1.2.x
Dec 02 10:36:45 steev	Sebastian: nope
Dec 02 10:36:52 infowolfe	brix, see above
Dec 02 10:37:03 strerror_work	infowolfe: have you seen the bug about slotting rrdtool?
Dec 02 10:37:09 strerror_work	thats something else i have to fscking fix
Dec 02 10:37:22 infowolfe	strerror_work, no, haven't yet, sorry
Dec 02 10:37:33 steev	desktop pretty, firefox ugly.
Dec 02 10:37:52 infowolfe	steev, what desktop, if you don't mind me asking
Dec 02 10:37:55 strerror_work	infowolfe: bug #105619
Dec 02 10:37:58 GenBot	strerror_work: Bug 105619; "rrdtool should be SLOTted"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Marcelo Goes->Netmon Herd; http://bugs.gentoo.org/105619
Dec 02 10:38:07 steev	gnome.
Dec 02 10:38:56 infowolfe	strerror, i agree with vapier wrt slot'ing rrdtool, you'll be writing a lot of einfo lines ;-)
Dec 02 10:39:07 strerror_work	infowolfe: offer me alternatives
Dec 02 10:39:15 infowolfe	strerror_work, none, unfortunately.
Dec 02 10:39:18 *	strerror_work is not going to maintain code patches to 10+ ebuilds
Dec 02 10:39:41 strerror_work	that is assuming i can get them to work with 1.2 at all
Dec 02 10:39:57 infowolfe	slot is the only logical solution, but telling the users where the correct version is means /usr/bin/rrdtool can't just be anymore, it'd have to be /usr/bin/rrdtool-$SHORTVER
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Dec 02 10:40:14 infowolfe	or you'd have to do something like they did with php
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Dec 02 10:44:49 spyderous	Sebastian, yes?
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Dec 02 10:45:28 Sebastian	spyderous: Have you ever used Matlab and if so know of a usable frontend for Octave? (KOctave looks discontinued?)
Dec 02 10:45:53 spyderous	i have not used matlab, although i'm supposed to be for linear algebra class.
Dec 02 10:46:23 spyderous	i have also never used octave, or R, or anything like that on linux
Dec 02 10:46:46 Sebastian	I am currently in four-week lab course in Theoretical Biology and have to use Matlab for path integration of desert ants, etc.
Dec 02 10:46:52 Sebastian	Ah, okay. Nevermind, then.
Dec 02 10:47:18 MetalGOD	koctave sucks
Dec 02 10:47:44 MetalGOD	spyderous, use something like vim+octave syntax then use "fopen" on octave
Dec 02 10:48:01 spyderous	MetalGOD, tell Sebastian
Dec 02 10:48:37 MetalGOD	ahh sorry
Dec 02 10:48:50 Sebastian	MetalGOD: Okay, but there is no Matlab like GUI? Odd, since it shouldn't be that hard to do because all the heavy lifting would be done in Octave, R, or whatever backend.
Dec 02 10:49:09 agaffney	does anyone know if a socket 939 dual-core Opteron will work in any board that supports the 939 X2?
Dec 02 10:49:28 MetalGOD	Sebastian, well you don't need it... but sure matlab is a poweful IDE :S
Dec 02 10:50:27 MetalGOD	koctave don't even compile here
Dec 02 10:51:02 Sebastian	I don't like the K in its name which implies Qt :)
Dec 02 10:51:20 MetalGOD	yeah
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Dec 02 10:52:15 MetalGOD	Sebastian, btw.. don't forget to install octave-forge
Dec 02 10:52:37 brix	Sebastian: emacs is the ultimate UI for everything - including octave
Dec 02 10:53:15 MetalGOD	emacs--
Dec 02 10:53:17 antarus	brix, hmmm can you watch porn in emacs? :)
Dec 02 10:53:31 brix	antarus: sure
Dec 02 10:53:39 *	antarus emerges it right away
Dec 02 10:53:53 steev	http://dev.gentoo.org/~steev/files/fontsgood.png
Dec 02 10:54:01 steev	much better when you tell it not to default to 96dpi
Dec 02 10:54:22 *	nixnut nods
Dec 02 10:54:32 nixnut	but it's still damn slow
Dec 02 10:55:23 MetalGOD	steev, see the diff. http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod/stuff/Screenshot-2.png and http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod/stuff/Screenshot-1.png
Dec 02 10:55:34 Sebastian	night
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Dec 02 10:56:44 steev	erm
Dec 02 10:57:05 steev	its not too bad here
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Dec 02 11:03:54 UberLord	anyone know which package /usr/lib/libGLU.so belongs to?
Dec 02 11:03:59 *	UberLord needs it
Dec 02 11:04:09 spyderous	heh heh
Dec 02 11:04:16 UberLord	hmmm mesa?
Dec 02 11:04:16 spyderous	remerge your mesa, i had a buggy find call in there
Dec 02 11:04:18 marienz	spyderous: I hate it when you laugh like that
Dec 02 11:04:24 marienz	makes me all scared
Dec 02 11:04:33 spyderous	it was supposed to find libGL.*, as in a real dot.
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Dec 02 11:04:50 spyderous	instead it found libGL*
Dec 02 11:05:20 UberLord	6.4.1 or newer?
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Dec 02 11:05:53 spyderous	UberLord, anything in the tree
Dec 02 11:06:02 Ticho	vapier: please also update ChangeLog, next time you add a keyword in libetpan, thanks
Dec 02 11:06:13 *	UberLord resyncs just incase
Dec 02 11:06:14 spyderous	there was a preinst or so that deleted libGL.* symlinks, which happens to include libGLU.so
Dec 02 11:06:32 UberLord	ah
Dec 02 11:06:51 UberLord	spyderous: you responsible for the eselect opengl module?
Dec 02 11:06:55 spyderous	look for libGL\.* instead of libGL.* and you'll have the fix
Dec 02 11:06:58 spyderous	nope, try eradicator
Dec 02 11:07:07 UberLord	he's never around when I am :/
Dec 02 11:07:15 spyderous	familiar with bugzilla and email? =P
Dec 02 11:07:29 UberLord	I have a bugzilla entry :/
Dec 02 11:07:44 spyderous	keep pinging on it until he either responds or makes a procmail rule for you
Dec 02 11:07:56 UberLord	not the same one, but the enthusiasm for fixing when I posted a patch (maybe wrong, but it works for me) is amazing
Dec 02 11:08:35 steev	reminds me, i need to fix my gl here
Dec 02 11:08:40 steev	not sure what is up with it
Dec 02 11:08:46 steev	glxinfo seg faults at the end
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Dec 02 11:12:57 brix	what's the name of that script for showing ebuild keywords in a terminal (like the layout on packages.g.o)?
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Dec 02 11:21:54 marienz	UberLord: fix the mesa ebuild to respond to VIDEO_CARDS, helps lots
Dec 02 11:22:13 marienz	(I had a patch that did that but it wasn't too clean and it's massively bitrotted by now)
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Dec 02 11:58:10 agaffney	is there any way to get the sound generated by apps running on a X terminal server (running gentoo) back to the thin client (running X and connecting to the server with XDMCP) on a per-user basis?
Dec 02 11:58:33 geoman	agaffney: use a sound server?
Dec 02 11:58:50 agaffney	geoman: will that work on a per-user basis?
Dec 02 11:59:08 geoman	do you mean you don't want certain users to have sound?
Dec 02 11:59:33 geoman	just don't add them to the audio group
Dec 02 11:59:35 agaffney	I mean that I want only the sound generated by the apps a certain user is running to play from that certain user's thin client
Dec 02 11:59:48 agaffney	but I'll have multiple users at the same time
Dec 02 11:59:55 hardave	write your own sound server and kernel drivers
Dec 02 12:00:03 geoman	haha
Dec 02 12:00:11 hardave	(in other words, no)
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Dec 02 12:00:19 agaffney	hardave: figured :/
Dec 02 12:00:21 sanchan	hardave: whi kernel drivers?
Dec 02 12:00:24 amne	if the app supports esound it could send it to esound on the thin client. but there are some things such as lag and programs that won't use esd
Dec 02 12:00:25 sanchan	why
Dec 02 12:01:00 hardave	sanchan: well you could probablly get away without kernel drivers, but each user needs their own /dev/sound device
Dec 02 12:01:23 sanchan	hardave: can't you use acl ?
Dec 02 12:02:17 geoman	hardave: if you only wanted certain users to access /dev/dsp, you could make the device accessible to members of the audio group, and then add those users to thta group
Dec 02 12:02:19 geoman	I believe
Dec 02 12:02:43 hardave	sanchan: meh, I've only given this like 5 milliseconds of thought guys, give me a break ;)
Dec 02 12:02:53 sanchan	:-)
Dec 02 12:03:01 agaffney	amne: that's what I was thinking, but how do you direct stuff like netscape-flash to the esd server on the thin client?
Dec 02 12:03:40 geoman	Anarchy: btw, I can't reproduce the font brokenness using firefox-bin
Dec 02 12:03:56 geoman	so, something is wrong with our compile-from-source version
Dec 02 12:04:00 kingtaco|work	agaffney, have you looked at jack?  it's got network support
Dec 02 12:04:12 agaffney	kingtaco|work: I don't even know what it is
Dec 02 12:04:14 amne	agaffney: exactly, that's the problem ;-) i think there is some wrapper for that kind of stuff, never used it myself
Dec 02 12:04:26 kingtaco|work	agaffney, more "professional" system than alsa
Dec 02 12:04:34 agaffney	a non-voiced user recommended arts
Dec 02 12:04:38 kingtaco|work	but it's network aware
Dec 02 12:04:46 kingtaco|work	arts is kde
Dec 02 12:04:56 kingtaco|work	why would you introduce all that bloat into a thin client
Dec 02 12:04:58 agaffney	right, but can't it be used standalone?
Dec 02 12:05:26 geoman	arts is a piece of shit
Dec 02 12:05:28 kingtaco|work	possibly
Dec 02 12:05:33 geoman	kde upstream even knows this
Dec 02 12:05:36 agaffney	geoman: so I've heard
Dec 02 12:05:37 geoman	they're getting rid of it, if I recall
Dec 02 12:05:42 agaffney	heh
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Dec 02 12:08:07 geoman	in fact, the binary version of mozilla-firefox-1.5 works great all around
Dec 02 12:08:15 geoman	no crappy slow smooth scrolling
Dec 02 12:08:18 geoman	no corrupted fonts
Dec 02 12:09:26 kito	yeah, I hear good things about distributing software in binary form sometimes.
Dec 02 12:10:10 geoman	kito: well, the point here is that the firefox 1.5 source ebuild in portage produces a firefox that is seriously broken
Dec 02 12:10:21 geoman	and it really should have been in package.mask for some period of time
Dec 02 12:10:34 geoman	in fact, it should go into package.mask immediately, so far as I can see
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Dec 02 12:14:16 SuperLag	geoman: yes. arts--, and I think I heard the same thing about it going away.  I *hope* so.  Good riddance.
Dec 02 12:14:38 vapier	they're killing arts ?
Dec 02 12:14:39 vapier	nice
Dec 02 12:14:52 kito	its about time
Dec 02 12:14:58 kito	they've been saying that for years
Dec 02 12:15:15 vapier	sound stuff still sucks in linux
Dec 02 12:15:23 kito	well, duh
Dec 02 12:15:29 kito	except jack
Dec 02 12:15:38 vapier	jack sucks too
Dec 02 12:15:46 kito	you are insane
Dec 02 12:15:47 marienz	kito: don't make me dig up the fun jack bugs filed the other day
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Dec 02 12:16:09 kito	marienz which ones?
Dec 02 12:16:16 vapier	the ones where jack sucks
Dec 02 12:16:35 kito	oh right, that other low latency callback audio server is much better
Dec 02 12:16:41 kito	whats it called?
Dec 02 12:16:45 kito	oh right, there isn't one
Dec 02 12:16:52 marienz	kito: bug 112184, bug 112187, bug 112185
Dec 02 12:16:56 GenBot	marienz: Bug 112184; "media-plugins/alsa-jack has a bad application description"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Clock->Gentoo Sound Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/112184
Dec 02 12:16:58 GenBot	marienz: Bug 112185; "jack-audio-connection-kit is missing startup script"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {RESOLVED}; Clock->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/112185
Dec 02 12:17:00 GenBot	marienz: Bug 112187; "xmms doesn't work with jack"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Clock->Gentoo Sound Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/112187
Dec 02 12:17:09 marienz	(sorry, had to :P)
Dec 02 12:17:12 jakub	lol
Dec 02 12:17:15 kito	first one isn't jack
Dec 02 12:17:23 kito	2nd one, is user stupidity
Dec 02 12:17:30 kito	3rd, one, xmms sucks ass
Dec 02 12:17:36 grobian	lol
Dec 02 12:18:30 jakub	one more: Bug 114146
Dec 02 12:18:36 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114146; "X server temporarily attacks the CPU with DoS"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Clock->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114146
Dec 02 12:18:41 jakub	:D
Dec 02 12:19:09 vapier	what a stupid summary
Dec 02 12:19:18 kito	hahha
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Dec 02 12:19:52 jakub	vapier: heh... dunno to whom that should be assigned really; it's 1/ non reproducible 2/ not apparent which app does cause the load
Dec 02 12:20:11 jakub	and 3/ summary sucks big time ;p
Dec 02 12:20:22 lisa	spb: ping ?
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Dec 02 12:21:34 vapier	is there a distcc livecd ?
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Dec 02 12:22:23 RiverRat	I don't think so but there are instructions on getting distcc running soon enough for a stage 1 bootstrap on the web page.
Dec 02 12:22:47 steev	actually, i thought there was
Dec 02 12:22:50 vapier	not what i want
Dec 02 12:22:51 spb	lisa: pong
Dec 02 12:22:54 steev	knoppix-distcc
Dec 02 12:22:57 kito	err, some of the ppc livecds are distcc
Dec 02 12:22:59 vapier	not what i want
Dec 02 12:23:08 kito	replete with zeroconf
Dec 02 12:23:08 marienz	shove livecd in non-linux box and use as distcc slave?
Dec 02 12:23:26 vapier	yes, but with enhancment in that it contains a butt ton of cross-compilers
Dec 02 12:23:35 steev	catalyst
Dec 02 12:23:42 kito	yucky
Dec 02 12:23:46 ciaranm	brix / jakub: has one of you filed a qa@ bug with a devrel@ Cc: for the branch etc yet?
Dec 02 12:23:51 lisa	spb: what's this about a stalker ?
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Dec 02 12:24:05 vapier	thx captain obvious, but dont want to dive into catalyst details
Dec 02 12:24:15 vapier	i'd like to grab a spec that someone else made and tweak it slightly
Dec 02 12:24:17 vapier	less work -> better
Dec 02 12:24:23 lisa	vapier: dont look at me :p
Dec 02 12:24:28 vapier	..
Dec 02 12:24:31 spb	lisa: someone in another channel last night was asking me whether i could set him up on a date with you. then started talking about marriage plans.
Dec 02 12:24:40 lisa	uhh
Dec 02 12:24:41 jakub	ciaranm: well, if you mean that cvs screwup then no
Dec 02 12:24:41 lisa	worry
Dec 02 12:24:50 lisa	spb: can you pm the log ?
Dec 02 12:24:52 spb	he seemed to think that because i was a gentoo dev and in the uk i could do this
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Dec 02 12:25:04 spb	if it's still in scrollback i can paste it somewhere
Dec 02 12:25:06 marienz	spb: what do you mean, you can't?
Dec 02 12:25:08 lisa	okay
Dec 02 12:25:12 ciaranm	ugh. he committed a bogus top-level directory too? ffs
Dec 02 12:25:28 marienz	missed the directory, did someone kill ja.txt and en.txt yet?
Dec 02 12:25:36 jakub	marienz: yeah
Dec 02 12:25:40 marienz	ty
Dec 02 12:25:45 marienz	whoever it was
Dec 02 12:25:51 vapier	spb: tell him you you can hook him up with a hottie named belina
Dec 02 12:25:55 *	vapier changes nick to belina
Dec 02 12:26:01 kito	bwhaha
Dec 02 12:26:06 lisa	o.O
Dec 02 12:26:08 jakub	16:17:18 < CIA-1> brix * gentoo-x86/ (en.txt ja.txt): More chris-cruft down the drain.
Dec 02 12:26:10 lisa	vapier: have a secret?
Dec 02 12:26:29 marienz	also, what dir? :)
Dec 02 12:26:33 kito	I think hes quite open about it really
Dec 02 12:26:41 vapier	i have pictures
Dec 02 12:27:05 jakub	ciaranm: any idea how to wipe that bogus branch from cvs?
Dec 02 12:27:12 ciaranm	jakub: don't think you can
Dec 02 12:27:15 vapier	i dont think you can ?
Dec 02 12:27:17 vapier	cvs is nice like that
Dec 02 12:27:25 vapier	you'd prob have to edit the raw cvs files
Dec 02 12:27:28 jakub	ah, that's great ;p
Dec 02 12:27:30 marienz	version control in general is nice like that
Dec 02 12:27:30 vapier	which means you'd need teh root on a cvs box
Dec 02 12:27:35 geoman	so basically, chriswhite-- totally fux0r3d cvs?
Dec 02 12:27:35 lisa	nothing some judicious use of vi in the cvsroot won't fix
Dec 02 12:27:36 marienz	you do something stupid, it'll haunt you *forever*
Dec 02 12:27:46 kito	I thought infra was already taking care of that
Dec 02 12:27:48 marienz	(unless you hack the raw repo of course)
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Dec 02 12:28:29 jakub	well, manual job editing raw files sucks obviously, might be saner to restore a recent backup and recommit the stuff
Dec 02 12:28:47 kito	its a mess anyway you look at it
Dec 02 12:29:02 geoman	I just won't understand what he was thinking
Dec 02 12:29:07 geoman	s/w/d/
Dec 02 12:29:12 jakub	kito: yeah, it's bug shit
Dec 02 12:29:18 marienz	I still don't know what commands he ran...
Dec 02 12:29:22 vapier	you mean bug doodoo
Dec 02 12:29:35 kito	he was testing some kde app....
Dec 02 12:29:38 kito	on the live tree
Dec 02 12:29:39 kito	hehe
Dec 02 12:29:52 marienz	err?
Dec 02 12:30:00 marienz	some cvs gui thingy?
Dec 02 12:30:05 kito	ya
Dec 02 12:30:13 marienz	you've got to be kidding me
Dec 02 12:30:13 vapier	thats what you get for using kde
Dec 02 12:30:25 *	ciaranm reopens bug 56211 with a qa@ Cc:
Dec 02 12:30:28 GenBot	ciaranm: Bug 56211; "New Dev: Chris White (ChrisWhite)"; [Recruitment :: New Developers]; {RESOLVED:FIXED}; Jeremy Huddleston->Gentoo Recruiting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/56211
Dec 02 12:30:53 robbat2	if there are still problems with CVS, I can find _everything_ chriswhite did via some of the internal CVS logging
Dec 02 12:31:00 marienz	does that tool not make it *very* obvious you're committing stuff?
Dec 02 12:31:10 marienz	robbat2: that might help.
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Dec 02 12:31:28 marienz	robbat2: some of the stuff added/bumped is not immediately obvious, and I haven't been able to track it all down.
Dec 02 12:31:38 ciaranm	brix, jakub: any further information you have for bug 56211 would be appreciated
Dec 02 12:31:42 marienz	robbat2: (haven't tried very hard either I must admit, but your logs are probably superior to cvs log here)
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Dec 02 12:35:00 jakub	well, yeah it's really *damned* hard to find out what he commited
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Dec 02 12:38:08 robbat2	wtf
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Dec 02 12:38:34 robbat2	in the history history, looking ja.txt only shows it's removal by brix
Dec 02 12:38:57 ciaranm	what, did you think chriswhite would tidy up his own crap?
Dec 02 12:39:03 jakub	robbat2: yeah, as I said, it's not in history
Dec 02 12:39:26 jakub	ciaranm: pretty hard to do if he does not know what did he commit :)
Dec 02 12:39:59 ciaranm	yet another reason to hate cvs branches
Dec 02 12:40:08 *	ciaranm could never really figure them out
Dec 02 12:41:03 robbat2	did he do all of it on 2005-11-30 ?
Dec 02 12:41:10 robbat2	are there any other dates that need to be checked?
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Dec 02 12:41:43 jakub	I guess it's all, then he took lark down ;p
Dec 02 12:42:01 jforman	hey guys, let me know if anything needs to be done with the distfiles mirrors.
Dec 02 12:42:13 jforman	if its just a matter of reposting a package, that doesnt need me
Dec 02 12:42:16 ciaranm	jforman: they need to be made yellower
Dec 02 12:42:31 jforman	i dont have the power to color our mirrors. sorry
Dec 02 12:42:40 ciaranm	my vim tarballs are too green :(
Dec 02 12:43:14 ciaranm	hrm. that reminds me. some dumb shmuck needs to figure out whether vim 6.4.00[34] is security-related
Dec 02 12:43:27 ciaranm	and if it is, do updated ebuilds
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Dec 02 12:45:30 ReJ	!seen lanius
Dec 02 12:45:31 GenBot	lanius was last seen 3 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 49 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying ':P' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 02 12:45:32 glbt	lanius (n=[e-mail]) was last seen quitting from #gentoo-dev 21 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection).
Dec 02 12:45:53 robbat2	ok, assuming he did all of these commits on 2005-11-30, I've got a list - it's BIG
Dec 02 12:46:30 robbat2	!seen chriswhite
Dec 02 12:46:32 GenBot	chriswhite was last seen 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying 'anyways, I'm off for now, but at least I have that setup' in #gentoo-x86.
Dec 02 12:46:32 glbt	ChrisWhite (n=tsunam@gentoo/developer/ChrisWhite) was last seen quitting from #gentoo 18 days, 19 hours, 1 minute ago stating ({"leaving"}).
Dec 02 12:46:36 robbat2	!seen cpw
Dec 02 12:46:38 glbt	cpw (n=chriswhi@gentoo/developer/ChrisWhite) was last seen quitting from #gentoo-commits 27 minutes ago stating ({"leaving"}).
Dec 02 12:46:42 GenBot	cpw was last seen 6 hours, 32 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying '"I'd hit it" eh ;p?' in #gentoo-ops.
Dec 02 12:46:51 ciaranm	robbat2: could you stick it in bug 56211 please?
Dec 02 12:46:52 cshields	!seen oya3un
Dec 02 12:46:53 GenBot	oya3un was last seen 2 days, 9 hours, 38 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying 'I'll be back a little later this afternoon.' in #gentoo-gwn.
Dec 02 12:46:56 GenBot	ciaranm: Bug 56211; "New Dev: Chris White (ChrisWhite)"; [Recruitment :: New Developers]; {REOPENED}; Jeremy Huddleston->Gentoo Recruiting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/56211
Dec 02 12:47:13 *	lisa kicks glbt
Dec 02 12:47:19 lisa	hurry up, you slow tcl bot
Dec 02 12:47:29 glbt	oya3un (n=oya3un@gentoo/developer/plate) was last seen quitting from #gentoo-ppc 11 hours, 17 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection).
Dec 02 12:47:55 robbat2	ciaranm, what's the attachment size limit in bugzie?
Dec 02 12:48:09 ciaranm	robbat2: uh oh. that big?
Dec 02 12:48:22 ciaranm	robbat2: devspace and a url instead?
Dec 02 12:48:27 spb	robbat2: big enough for emerge -d logs at least
Dec 02 12:48:51 ciaranm	cvs [update aborted]: unrecognized auth response from cvs.sf.net: M -!- Client or Server timeout occurred! <-- ok, so i can't. bleh!
Dec 02 12:49:26 robbat2	it's 2.5mb so far.
Dec 02 12:49:32 ciaranm	ouch
Dec 02 12:49:34 jakub	eeek
Dec 02 12:49:55 lisa	gzip?
Dec 02 12:50:08 robbat2	lisa: probably, once I'm done creating it
Dec 02 12:50:21 robbat2	the grep is still running on the ,v files
Dec 02 12:50:23 lisa	uh. damn. that's one hell of a logfile
Dec 02 12:50:44 ciaranm	lemme guess... it's creating an entry for every single file in the tree because of the branch
Dec 02 12:51:12 jakub	o_O
Dec 02 12:51:20 robbat2	ciaranm, it's looking that way
Dec 02 12:51:20 jakub	damned branches! :X
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Dec 02 12:55:27 robbat2	it's 8mb now, i'm stopping it and trying to see if this can be done in a more useful way
Dec 02 12:56:10 ciaranm	grep -v out stuff that just creates branches?
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Dec 02 12:58:08 robbat2	ciaranm, it isn't that easy, branching isn't an atomic operation - it's scattered everywhere
Dec 02 12:58:41 ciaranm	it doesn't show up nicely with '.1.1' in the ,v files?
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Dec 02 13:01:16 ciaranm	cvs [diff aborted]: unrecognized auth response from cvs.sf.net: M -!- Client or Server timeout occurred <-- sourceforge--
Dec 02 13:02:01 ciaranm	ooh! now i'm getting cvs [diff aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
Dec 02 13:02:10 *	ciaranm tries to collect all the error messages
Dec 02 13:02:31 *	spb mutters something about the two-tree thing
Dec 02 13:05:04 robbat2	Pylon, ping
Dec 02 13:05:08 Pylon	robbat2: yo
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Dec 02 13:05:18 robbat2	why did you change perms on val-tags?
Dec 02 13:05:31 Pylon	robbat2: Which val-tags?
Dec 02 13:05:39 robbat2	/var/cvsroot/CVSROOT/val-tags
Dec 02 13:05:47 ciaranm	who wants to test a vim7 patch?
Dec 02 13:05:58 Pylon	robbat2: Eh?  I'm not sure if I did a change.
Dec 02 13:06:12 ciaranm	also, who wants to give me a frickin' bug about these alleged sandbox violations from gvim7 that i can't reproduce?
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Dec 02 13:07:04 robbat2	Pylon, what was the name of chriswhite's branch?
Dec 02 13:07:12 ciaranm	chris
Dec 02 13:07:12 Pylon	robbat2: Just 'chris'
Dec 02 13:07:14 kingtaco|work	robbat2, chris iirc
Dec 02 13:07:27 genstef	oh, we have microsoft hostmasks in freenode?
Dec 02 13:07:36 *	genstef wonders how they define "free"
Dec 02 13:07:46 Pylon	robbat2: I didn't changed the file in CVS, you was the last one who touched it.  But I ran a cvs rtag -B -d chris gentoo-x86 some hours ago.
Dec 02 13:07:53 axxo	so how the hell did he manage to do that anyway
Dec 02 13:08:19 ciaranm	axxo: sheer incompetence. how else?
Dec 02 13:08:29 kingtaco|work	genstef, who has that
Dec 02 13:09:03 spb	ciaranm: what does this vim7 patch do ?
Dec 02 13:09:07 genstef	20:05 -!- drobbins [n=drobbins@microsoft/drobbins] has joined #gentoo-dev
Dec 02 13:09:12 ciaranm	spb: makes it compile
Dec 02 13:09:12 genstef	kingtaco|work: he has
Dec 02 13:09:15 spb	heh
Dec 02 13:09:27 ciaranm	bug 113823
Dec 02 13:09:40 kingtaco|work	genstef, heh, well he does work for msft
Dec 02 13:12:38 steev	sigh
Dec 02 13:12:52 steev	can't we do something with udev
Dec 02 13:13:13 nixnut	ritually slaughter ok?
Dec 02 13:13:30 nixnut	+it
Dec 02 13:13:31 jakub	steev: 070-r1 works perfectly here and I won't touch it any time soon
Dec 02 13:13:58 kingtaco|work	just do it the old fashioned way
Dec 02 13:14:04 ciaranm	udev++
Dec 02 13:14:05 kingtaco|work	make your own nodes
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Dec 02 13:14:35 steev	its 073
Dec 02 13:14:39 steev	really should be masked
Dec 02 13:14:50 geoman	yeah, 073 is screwed
Dec 02 13:14:51 brix	why?
Dec 02 13:14:55 geoman	072 is partially screwed
Dec 02 13:15:04 ciaranm	uh oh. i'd better not reboot then
Dec 02 13:15:09 joem	heh
Dec 02 13:15:12 jakub	brix: well, e.g. sound does not work - no devices
Dec 02 13:15:22 geoman	jakub: not everyone can reproduce that one
Dec 02 13:15:24 brix	ok
Dec 02 13:15:32 spb	073 works here if i disable inotify in the kernel
Dec 02 13:15:33 geoman	but it is a big problem
Dec 02 13:15:44 steev	073 causes problems with removable devices
Dec 02 13:15:56 spb	but then i haven't had sound for a while
Dec 02 13:16:00 jakub	geoman: unfortunately I can, and yeah, USB sticks don't work as well
Dec 02 13:16:12 ReJ	Wed Nov 23 19:45:58 2005 >>> sys-fs/udev-073
Dec 02 13:16:25 geoman	jakub: yeah, the /dev/snd thing bit me in the ass also
Dec 02 13:16:29 spb	jakub: was the no sound in 072 as well?
Dec 02 13:16:34 jakub	yup
Dec 02 13:16:37 geoman	spb: correct
Dec 02 13:16:38 jakub	071 last working
Dec 02 13:16:45 geoman	heh, was about to type that
Dec 02 13:16:48 ciaranm	hrm. why does eth0 randomly not exist sometimes?
Dec 02 13:16:49 *	spb ponders trying the downgrade to see if it fixes stuff
Dec 02 13:16:55 spb	ciaranm: blame udev!
Dec 02 13:17:00 jakub	heh
Dec 02 13:17:08 ciaranm	i'm not using udev for network interfaces!
Dec 02 13:17:17 geoman	http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110492
Dec 02 13:17:20 GenBot	geoman: Bug 110492; "/dev/snd entries not created by udev when ALSA drivers are loaded"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {REOPENED}; Scott Alfter->Greg Kroah-Hartman
Dec 02 13:17:27 az	i use 075, but seems like greg is getting lazy
Dec 02 13:17:42 az	as 076 or 077 is out already
Dec 02 13:17:44 Betelgeuse	I guess I have been lucky. 073 here and no problems so far.
Dec 02 13:17:48 jakub	076 is out upstream with some huge changes, I suspect no working version until 080 at least :)
Dec 02 13:17:59 robbat2	*growls*
Dec 02 13:18:03 robbat2	interesting logging bug in CVS
Dec 02 13:18:06 ciaranm	yay for broken version numbering schemes!
Dec 02 13:18:07 az	076 needs udevd to be started manually if i remember
Dec 02 13:18:26 jakub	well, it does not boot, yeah
Dec 02 13:18:32 robbat2	commit something in a branch, then move it to the normal tree, and it isn't in the history
Dec 02 13:18:42 jakub	o_O
Dec 02 13:20:04 ciaranm	ok, i am downgrading firefox. it calls directories 'folders'
Dec 02 13:20:12 joem	:)
Dec 02 13:20:19 nixnut	haha
Dec 02 13:20:28 ciaranm	in fact that's getting a blocker severity bug
Dec 02 13:20:53 az	dont use nautilus then
Dec 02 13:21:56 geoman	ciaranm: 1.5 being a bitch to you also?
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Dec 02 13:22:08 axxo	opera is the good browser anyway
Dec 02 13:23:09 Betelgeuse	ciaranm: Well mozilla-firefox ebuild is does not even install anything called firefox...
Dec 02 13:23:31 ciaranm	deerpark!
Dec 02 13:23:39 nixnut	deerpark--
Dec 02 13:23:48 geoman	try firefox-bin
Dec 02 13:23:51 ciaranm	no.
Dec 02 13:24:00 geoman	it works much better here
Dec 02 13:24:06 ciaranm	no.
Dec 02 13:24:20 Betelgeuse	geoman: I probably will after I get that TEXTRELs reported upstream.
Dec 02 13:24:30 bonsaikitten	ah ... folders ... the MS way of saying directory :-)
Dec 02 13:24:47 grobian	bonsaikitten, ehm?
Dec 02 13:25:00 Betelgeuse	It is a folder in KDE 3.5.0 too.
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Dec 02 13:25:37 joem	its a folder lots of places
Dec 02 13:25:47 kito	most GUIs I know refer to them as folders
Dec 02 13:25:58 ciaranm	and i'm going to start dishing out bugs every time i see it
Dec 02 13:26:06 bonsaikitten	the desktop-metaphor in full effect
Dec 02 13:26:09 bonsaikitten	:-)
Dec 02 13:26:10 ciaranm	heh. except bugzilla's ignoring me. wheeee!
Dec 02 13:26:27 ReJ	mkfolder? cf?
Dec 02 13:26:41 spb	-bin packages are evil
Dec 02 13:26:52 bonsaikitten	ReJ, there can't be a "cf" command as it wastes too many trees!
Dec 02 13:26:53 joem	ReJ: Create Folder, Copy
Dec 02 13:26:55 ReJ	cwf?
Dec 02 13:26:59 ciaranm	pwf!
Dec 02 13:27:00 kito	yeah, binary is too consistent
Dec 02 13:27:04 kito	not enough rice
Dec 02 13:27:15 ReJ	joem: File -> New -> Folder?
Dec 02 13:27:15 ciaranm	rmfldr!
Dec 02 13:27:16 spb	kito: no, just that the binaries that upstream ship tend to be shite
Dec 02 13:27:22 geoman	spb: they are evil, except when the source version of said package is horribly broken
Dec 02 13:27:25 joem	ReJ: pretty much yea :)
Dec 02 13:27:29 ReJ	mkfldrhier
Dec 02 13:27:43 ciaranm	ReJ: no, mkfldrhrchy
Dec 02 13:27:44 grobian	mkmap :)
Dec 02 13:27:47 spb	geoman: when the source version is horribly broken and the binary isn't, that is
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Dec 02 13:28:13 geoman	spb: as appears to be the case here
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Dec 02 13:28:54 ReJ	Let's rename filesystem to foldersystem too, while we are at it.
Dec 02 13:29:03 bonsaikitten	fil*ing*systems
Dec 02 13:29:08 ReJ	lol
Dec 02 13:29:17 ReJ	Just cabinet will do.
Dec 02 13:29:28 bonsaikitten	ah, a purist ;-)
Dec 02 13:29:30 kito	mmm, fun with semantics
Dec 02 13:29:39 bonsaikitten	so ... what is a subdirectory?
Dec 02 13:29:46 grobian	Amiga Workbench talked about drawers
Dec 02 13:30:09 ciaranm	i'll talk about my drawers if you like
Dec 02 13:30:15 ReJ	lol
Dec 02 13:30:17 Betelgeuse	bonsaikitten: the same as subfolder of course
Dec 02 13:30:17 bonsaikitten	hmmm ... no? ;-)
Dec 02 13:30:36 bonsaikitten	Betelgeuse, but ... placing a cabinet in a cabinet doesn't work
Dec 02 13:30:37 ReJ	Dossier?
Dec 02 13:30:54 Betelgeuse	bonsaikitten: yes, it does, like you can have a box in a box.
Dec 02 13:31:01 ReJ	Envelope, ... , all the way down to stamp and speck-of-dust.
Dec 02 13:31:06 bonsaikitten	argh
Dec 02 13:31:11 bonsaikitten	every level with a new name
Dec 02 13:31:28 grobian	bonsaikitten, can't you use those russian puppets as your metaphor?  Also indicates there's a limit on the depth ;)
Dec 02 13:31:36 ReJ	"Root" becomes "office" naturally.
Dec 02 13:31:50 *	bonsaikitten notess that a depth og 24 will cause nuclear fission then
Dec 02 13:31:50 kito	grobian haha
Dec 02 13:31:50 ReJ	Or "company".
Dec 02 13:32:08 kito	what are those puppets called?
Dec 02 13:32:14 nixnut	muppets
Dec 02 13:32:17 kito	weeble wobbles?
Dec 02 13:32:19 Betelgeuse	grobian: Well there is a limit on the depth.
Dec 02 13:32:31 Betelgeuse	grobian: It is just very *big*.
Dec 02 13:32:34 ReJ	Quiet folders run deep.
Dec 02 13:32:41 nixnut	heh
Dec 02 13:32:43 grobian	ReJ, it would fit: on the microsoft office, there is word, excel and powerpoint I think... all you need :)
Dec 02 13:32:45 bonsaikitten	Betelgeuse, 255 characters? ;-)
Dec 02 13:32:48 jakub	ciaranm: bugs are foolish - see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71218
Dec 02 13:33:03 ReJ	grobian: Fit where?
Dec 02 13:33:15 grobian	ReJ in the "strategy"
Dec 02 13:33:17 bonsaikitten	grobian, so you Excel at Accessing Powerful Points?
Dec 02 13:33:27 ReJ	So who gets root? The office manager? CEO?
Dec 02 13:33:33 grobian	bonsaikitten, I think I want to do more with less
Dec 02 13:33:43 *	kito throws rotten fruit
Dec 02 13:33:57 ReJ	Bugs are for the weak.
Dec 02 13:34:02 *	grobian thinks kito thinks different
Dec 02 13:34:09 ciaranm	jakub: yet another reason not to use that kde shite
Dec 02 13:34:09 *	bonsaikitten has a Word with grobian and throws him out of the Window(s)
Dec 02 13:34:13 kito	nah, I just don't think.
Dec 02 13:34:41 grobian	bonsaikitten, damn, it just crashed right in front of my eyes :(
Dec 02 13:34:49 ReJ	bonsaikitten: You really Excel at that.
Dec 02 13:34:58 nixnut	bonsaikitten just has a different Outlook
Dec 02 13:34:59 bonsaikitten	it Works!
Dec 02 13:35:05 ReJ	bonsaikitten knows how to make a PowerPoint.
Dec 02 13:35:19 kito	totally unfunny. Stop it.
Dec 02 13:35:23 grobian	What an XPerience!
Dec 02 13:35:27 kito	you are going to break freenode
Dec 02 13:35:31 jakub	:D
Dec 02 13:35:38 ajax	kito: how would we know the difference?
Dec 02 13:35:45 kito	haha
Dec 02 13:35:47 kito	good point.
Dec 02 13:37:07 ReJ	You need to Draw a line somewhere, Base it on facts, do the Math, Calc the risks, become a Writer, Impress girls.
Dec 02 13:37:24 ciaranm	i'm going to count to three and then you're going to stop
Dec 02 13:37:26 grobian	Kool
Dec 02 13:37:27 ciaranm	123.
Dec 02 13:37:34 bonsaikitten	Lotus?
Dec 02 13:37:41 ciaranm	Quattro!
Dec 02 13:37:49 ReJ	O-O-o, bad joke. Sorry.
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Dec 02 13:43:37 latexer	morning all.
Dec 02 13:43:42 nixnut	gday latexer
Dec 02 13:44:28 jforman	hey peter
Dec 02 13:44:34 latexer	SuperLag: pong?
Dec 02 13:44:39 latexer	nixnut, jforman: hey.
Dec 02 13:45:05 amne	morning latexer. where on earth is it morning now?
Dec 02 13:45:19 latexer	well, it's not really morning.
Dec 02 13:45:32 latexer	it's just the first time i've been looking at irssi as i just finally got into the office.
Dec 02 13:45:50 amne	ah, another slacker ;-)
Dec 02 13:46:06 jakub	lol
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Dec 02 13:47:45 bonsaikitten	hehe
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Dec 02 13:52:04 nattfodd	there's no ChangeLog for eclasses ?
Dec 02 13:52:50 Betelgeuse	nattfodd: cvs log
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Dec 02 13:54:27 nattfodd	Betelgeuse: but I just have to provide a good explaination in the commit message if I change something, right ?
Dec 02 13:54:31 nattfodd	-i
Dec 02 13:56:10 Betelgeuse	nattfodd: Yes, but just be sure you don't break anything.
Dec 02 13:56:48 nattfodd	Betelgeuse: ok, it's only tetex eclass which is used only in tetex ebuilds
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Dec 02 13:57:48 Betelgeuse	nattfodd: Well don't break anything was a stupid advice on my part because it is implied any way, what I was trying to make sure is that you know eclass stuff well enough.
Dec 02 13:58:39 nattfodd	Betelgeuse: I received green light from mentor and this is just a one line patch provided by master jakub :)
Dec 02 13:58:45 nattfodd	everything should be fine
Dec 02 13:58:53 *	nattfodd crosses fingers
Dec 02 13:59:09 axxo	check with tetex herd ppl
Dec 02 13:59:17 Betelgeuse	axxo: he is part of it
Dec 02 13:59:22 axxo	then it should be fine
Dec 02 13:59:43 nattfodd	axxo: I am tetex herd, even :)
Dec 02 13:59:54 nattfodd	hum no
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Dec 02 14:00:03 nattfodd	there's usata too
Dec 02 14:01:04 CHTEKK	anyone here has heimdal installed?
Dec 02 14:01:06 CHTEKK	I'd need a quick "locate -i gssapi" on a system that has app-crypt/heimdal installed, tnx ;)
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Dec 02 14:04:10 kito	CHTEKK http://gentoo.pastebin.com/446473
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Dec 02 14:04:30 CHTEKK	tnx a lot kito :)
Dec 02 14:04:34 kito	np
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Dec 02 14:08:35 nattfodd	usataway: ping
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Dec 02 14:15:19 eradicator	Halcy0n: yeah... what's you're point.  I told you I would take care of my packages on x86 a few months ago...
Dec 02 14:15:31 vapier	FACED
Dec 02 14:15:41 eradicator	If you would rather handle them, that's fine... one less arch for me to deal with...
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Dec 02 14:16:38 *	brix wonders which timezone Halcy0n is in...
Dec 02 14:16:51 amne	EST iirc
Dec 02 14:17:16 nixnut	extremly shitty timzone :p
Dec 02 14:17:18 nixnut	timezone even
Dec 02 14:17:50 amne	well, it's so shitty you can even spell it wrong and no one cares ;-)
Dec 02 14:17:52 nixnut	mmm and s/extremly/extremely
Dec 02 14:17:56 nixnut	indeed
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Dec 02 14:21:01 Halcy0n	I just woke up, leave me alone :)
Dec 02 14:21:09 nixnut	haha
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Dec 02 14:21:44 Halcy0n	eradicator: unless there is some sort of hardware dependencies or its too difficult for someone else to test, we'd like to mark them stable.  I didn't remember the email, which is why I said something.
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Dec 02 14:25:27 brix	amne: next time use a fork
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Dec 02 14:26:17 Halcy0n	Damn sadists :)
Dec 02 14:26:21 amne	they won't let me have one...
Dec 02 14:26:32 jakub	heh
Dec 02 14:26:58 brix	amne: so make one from an old pcmcia card
Dec 02 14:27:03 brix	that's what I did
Dec 02 14:27:25 amne	you must be McGyver
Dec 02 14:27:43 brix	I sed to be
Dec 02 14:27:52 brix	used to
Dec 02 14:27:58 amne	heh
Dec 02 14:28:04 Halcy0n	MacGyver was awesome.
Dec 02 14:28:08 nixnut	sed s/pcmcia/fork
Dec 02 14:28:12 nixnut	good trick
Dec 02 14:28:28 brix	Halcy0n: indeed
Dec 02 14:28:30 amne	knight rider was better
Dec 02 14:28:50 amne	kitt could hit'n'run MacGyver anytime!
Dec 02 14:29:12 Halcy0n	Kitt was cool, but I'd still like to be able to make a nuclear reactor from a paperclip, rubberband, and gum wrapper.
Dec 02 14:29:32 robbat2	strerror, ping
Dec 02 14:29:37 robbat2	!seen strerror
Dec 02 14:29:37 glbt	robbat2, strerror is right here!
Dec 02 14:29:43 GenBot	strerror was last seen 2 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying 'is parallel start in /etc/conf.d/rc on by default on some profiles?' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 02 14:29:59 robbat2	!seen strerror_work
Dec 02 14:30:01 glbt	robbat2, strerror_work is right here!
Dec 02 14:30:01 GenBot	strerror_work was last seen 3 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying 'that is assuming i can get them to work with 1.2 at all' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 02 14:30:08 robbat2	strerror_work, ping
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Dec 02 14:39:28 Anarchy	geoman, that is due to fact they use xft
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Dec 02 14:59:11 araujo	Hi Gentoo'ers!
Dec 02 14:59:24 brix	moin
Dec 02 14:59:34 nixnut	yo araujo
Dec 02 14:59:49 amne	hi araujo
Dec 02 15:00:51 araujo	Hello devels, what's up?
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Dec 02 15:04:36 Anarchy	ciaranm, ping
Dec 02 15:05:51 *	jakub is giggling
Dec 02 15:11:30 ciaranm	Anarchy: pong if it's quick (cooking)
Dec 02 15:11:49 Anarchy	ciaranm, how did you come to label your bug as a blocker when at best it is cosmetic
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Dec 02 15:12:38 ciaranm	Anarchy: because it's of vital importance to the future of mankind, stupid
Dec 02 15:13:08 solar	heh
Dec 02 15:13:18 Anarchy	solar, you got a min
Dec 02 15:13:37 solar	I have a few
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Dec 02 15:14:01 Anarchy	az, was saying something about firefox and patches this morning wanna fill me in so i can handle it with shaver upstream
Dec 02 15:14:16 solar	you already know about it
Dec 02 15:14:20 jforman	recieve(sp)
Dec 02 15:14:24 GenBot	Suggestions for 'recieve': receive, relieve, receives, recite, resite, Recife, resid...
Dec 02 15:14:31 jforman	yeah...i before e, except after 'c'
Dec 02 15:14:44 ciaranm	i hear ya, neighbour!
Dec 02 15:15:35 Anarchy	solar, were did this info come from
Dec 02 15:16:00 *	ciaranm goes back to cooking
Dec 02 15:16:22 solar	Anarchy: I'm confused why your asking this. You already know about the s/firefox/any_other_name_ordeal/
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Dec 02 15:16:47 Anarchy	solar,  no he was saying we will not be able to apply any patches here soon
Dec 02 15:16:54 Anarchy	has nothing to do with branding
Dec 02 15:17:06 solar	Anarchy: under the name FireFox we can not
Dec 02 15:17:28 solar	call it leftbuttcheak or whatever else and it's ok
Dec 02 15:17:28 beejay	does anybody know a free *non* cygwin X-client for windows?
Dec 02 15:18:05 solar	Anarchy: there is a meeting with those guys next week. More info will be known then
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Dec 02 15:22:04 johnm	lisa: was good to meet ya :)
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Dec 02 15:22:53 lisa	johnm: back home ?
Dec 02 15:23:22 johnm	lisa: just
Dec 02 15:23:33 johnm	lisa: a pile of snail mail about 3 foot deep :)
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Dec 02 15:24:03 geoman	Anarchy: well fine then, why can't we use xft for our build?
Dec 02 15:24:26 Anarchy	geoman, we can and will work out things with it a bit later tonight or tomorrow
Dec 02 15:24:31 geoman	because as it currently stands, it is seriously broken for some X drivers using RenderAccel
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Dec 02 15:25:18 geoman	beejay: Xming
Dec 02 15:27:43 beejay	ah, thanks geoman
Dec 02 15:27:52 beejay	!metadata mplayer-bin
Dec 02 15:27:55 jeeves	beejay: Package: media-video/mplayer-bin  Herd: amd64 Maintainer: [e-mail]
Dec 02 15:27:59 spb	johnm returns?
Dec 02 15:28:15 spb	we're all doomed now, aren't we
Dec 02 15:28:17 johnm	spb: ja.
Dec 02 15:28:28 johnm	spb: Only those select few.
Dec 02 15:28:58 beejay	!herd amd64
Dec 02 15:28:58 jeeves	beejay: (amd64) absinthe, aliz, anarchy, astinus, augustus, avenj, azerah, blubb, config, cryos, dang, eradicator, flameeyes, gerrynjr, herbs, hparker, humpback, jhuebel, kingtaco, kugelfang, luckyduck, lv, malc, metalgod, morfic, nichoj, r3pek, sekretarz, slarti, superlag, tester, trapni, voxus
Dec 02 15:29:04 beejay	^ ^ ^ ^ mplayer-bin did a great job for me and my girls the last two months
Dec 02 15:29:10 beejay	on amd64.
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Dec 02 15:47:42 Anarchy	vapier, ping
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Dec 02 16:04:21 ciaranm	kingtaco|work: are you implying that i am 'nasty'?
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Dec 02 16:05:50 ferringb	heh
Dec 02 16:06:37 axxo	busted
Dec 02 16:06:45 kingtaco|work	ciaranm, am I
Dec 02 16:09:10 ferringb	ciaranm: if you're going to listen into comments in #-devrel, why don't you join?
Dec 02 16:09:10 ciaranm	i wouldn't've reopened the bug if it were the first time he'd done something careless and screwed up
Dec 02 16:09:13 ferringb	easier then second hand.
Dec 02 16:09:20 ciaranm	ferringb: i just get fed the fun parts
Dec 02 16:10:34 geoman	so, suspension is rediculous for quite possibly one of the worst cvs breakages in gentoo history?
Dec 02 16:10:48 geoman	considering this isn't the first time the developer in question has broken something?
Dec 02 16:10:48 ciaranm	and the second worst too
Dec 02 16:10:57 ciaranm	don't forget that fun time he broke eutils!
Dec 02 16:11:05 kingtaco|work	well, why didn't you document it on his dev bug when it happened in the past
Dec 02 16:11:25 *	nixnut gets the popcorn
Dec 02 16:11:28 ciaranm	kingtaco|work: because a) it was documented on -core, and b) because the first time people screw up, we just talk to them nicely
Dec 02 16:11:39 ciaranm	and the second time. and the third time too
Dec 02 16:11:43 kingtaco|work	but thats not important, I stated my oppinion
Dec 02 16:11:52 kingtaco|work	you don't have to agree with it
Dec 02 16:12:53 ciaranm	rather amusing. tell someone to "lick my swamp" after they break something that takes you several days to fix and you get suspended. repeatedly break the tree in really nasty ways over and over and nothing happens
Dec 02 16:13:13 ciaranm	actually, no, that's not amusing. that's outright scary
Dec 02 16:13:25 kingtaco|work	oh, just come out and say it
Dec 02 16:13:49 geoman	ciaranm: yeah well...I guess making sure nobodys feelings get hurt is far more important than assuring the quality of the distro
Dec 02 16:14:02 ciaranm	"it" being that george bush doesn't care about qa people?
Dec 02 16:17:47 ciaranm	lcars: could you please add [e-mail] to the gentoo-user subject filter too? the idiots are breeding :(
Dec 02 16:18:07 Halcy0n	Agreed.
Dec 02 16:18:38 Kugelfang	i don't think that'll work
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Dec 02 16:18:49 morfic	beejay: tell dang
Dec 02 16:19:01 ciaranm	Kugelfang: gentoo-user already subject filters "unsubscribe" and blank subjects
Dec 02 16:19:02 Kugelfang	people who write that kind of unsubscrive mails don't know how to read mail headers :-/
Dec 02 16:19:09 ciaranm	Kugelfang: no no. you're missing it
Dec 02 16:19:22 ciaranm	Kugelfang: there've been three emails with that subject sent to the list in the past couple of days
Dec 02 16:19:28 ciaranm	Kugelfang: and every time it happens we get a flamewar
Dec 02 16:19:39 Kugelfang	ah, i see
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Dec 02 16:23:41 ciaranm	heh. weird -claws bug. it seems confused as to how many emails i have in a particular folder
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Dec 02 16:25:51 idl	wth... Firefox 1.5 first run... "Deer Part Update"
Dec 02 16:26:08 Chainsaw	s/Part/Park/
Dec 02 16:26:08 idl	mleh, *Park
Dec 02 16:26:14 ciaranm	deer part is funnier
Dec 02 16:26:20 geoman	which deer part? ;)
Dec 02 16:26:24 ciaranm	exactly
Dec 02 16:26:25 idl	bit of an odd name for an update agent
Dec 02 16:26:30 nixnut	hehe
Dec 02 16:26:42 ciaranm	idl: no no. browser
Dec 02 16:26:54 ciaranm	you're not allowed to call it firefox unless it's an upstream-provided binary, or something silly like that
Dec 02 16:26:58 geoman	that was the code name for the firefox development branch, if I recall
Dec 02 16:27:29 geoman	why don't we just call it "Vapier's Wang" ?
Dec 02 16:27:33 nixnut	or notthefirefox
Dec 02 16:27:34 axxo	at least call it snowsheep or something
Dec 02 16:27:44 ciaranm	geoman: we'd need a logo too
Dec 02 16:27:54 geoman	ciaranm: easily fixed
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Dec 02 16:27:57 idl	geoman: I don't think XUL supports a text size small enough to be deemed suitable
Dec 02 16:28:08 geoman	hahaha
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Dec 02 16:29:10 Anarchy	I can brand firefox right now if I want to force the default options that mozilla says is firefox on everyone
Dec 02 16:29:23 idl	jebus, I don't want a browser with Deer Park plastered all over it. It'll make me look gay.. or something
Dec 02 16:29:37 nixnut	haha
Dec 02 16:30:03 geoman	actually, we should have an env variable that allows users to brand it how they want
Dec 02 16:30:09 jakub	idl: there's an extension that will call it whatever you want
Dec 02 16:30:19 jakub	upstream policy is idiotic to say at least...
Dec 02 16:30:34 geoman	I don't think such a variable would be an upstream violation
Dec 02 16:30:46 idl	jakub: even Mozilla Firefox?!
Dec 02 16:30:51 ciaranm	i used to use FireThing
Dec 02 16:31:04 jakub	we might also rename apache to notexactly3horiginalapache
Dec 02 16:31:06 spb	firesomething was amusing
Dec 02 16:31:11 jakub	heh
Dec 02 16:31:37 ciaranm	which made it be called random things like LightningSheep and GiantSquid
Dec 02 16:31:39 SpanKY	wtf, now i'm getting firefox MD5sum errors ?
Dec 02 16:31:39 SpanKY	so gay
Dec 02 16:31:42 ciaranm	but it doesn't work with 1.5
Dec 02 16:31:53 idl	SpanKY: you mean Deer Park
Dec 02 16:32:08 jakub	:>
Dec 02 16:32:37 idl	FireSocks
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Dec 02 16:33:02 jakub	idl: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=31&application=firefox
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Dec 02 16:34:03 scox	uhm
Dec 02 16:34:05 jakub	idl: just change the maxversion in .rdf and it should work
Dec 02 16:34:11 scox	why are we using deer park as a name ?
Dec 02 16:34:22 scox	i mean, why not gecko browser
Dec 02 16:34:46 Anarchy	aight let me clear up this whole branding thing
Dec 02 16:35:35 SpanKY	http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8518/adorablebunny9os.gif
Dec 02 16:35:56 kito	thats old school
Dec 02 16:35:56 agaffney	poor bunny
Dec 02 16:36:03 nixnut	hehe
Dec 02 16:36:04 agaffney	he has nothing left to hump
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Dec 02 16:36:11 SpanKY	i feel its pain !
Dec 02 16:36:14 kito	ha
Dec 02 16:36:17 jakub	hmm, nice logo for firesomething :>
Dec 02 16:36:17 agaffney	haha
Dec 02 16:36:21 geoman	I think I have a movie of a rabbit getting pwn3d by a race car somewhere
Dec 02 16:36:53 bonsaikitten	oldie but goodie
Dec 02 16:37:19 bonsaikitten	at 300km/h it's a bit brutal but quite short for the rabbit
Dec 02 16:37:41 geoman	yep
Dec 02 16:38:01 geoman	tire hits it square on
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Dec 02 16:42:12 nattfodd	SpanKY: I was about to reopen http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77921
Dec 02 16:42:15 GenBot	nattfodd: Bug 77921; "libtool unable to infer tagged configuration"; [Gentoo Linux :: Core system]; {RESOLVED:NEEDINFO}; Douglas R. Hoffman->Gentoo's Team for Core System packages
Dec 02 16:42:55 nattfodd	are there any news on the matter ?
Dec 02 16:43:04 nattfodd	it breaks several tetex installs
Dec 02 16:43:14 SpanKY	use 78814
Dec 02 16:43:21 SpanKY	and at this point, i could really care less
Dec 02 16:43:51 nattfodd	gnome is NOT compiling fam.o.lock and Client.o.lock must be removed
Dec 02 16:44:06 SpanKY	thanks, i can read
Dec 02 16:44:11 jakub	nattfodd: probably general dump place for unwanted bugs ;p
Dec 02 16:44:11 nattfodd	SpanKY: just gave you the notice as you seemed to be the one involved with this matter
Dec 02 16:44:36 SpanKY	oh
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Dec 02 16:44:47 SpanKY	infer tags != libtool locks
Dec 02 16:44:50 SpanKY	dont re-open, post your info
Dec 02 16:45:01 SpanKY	99% of the time now it's because user has outdated stuff
Dec 02 16:45:12 SpanKY	and/or ebuild is stupid
Dec 02 16:45:30 kito	SpanKY you can remove grep-2.5.1-r8.ebuild if you were waiting on me
Dec 02 16:45:38 nattfodd	which stuff ? I have last libtool and encoutered the problem
Dec 02 16:45:49 SpanKY	post the output to rafb.net/paste
Dec 02 16:46:05 SpanKY	kito: err, that's the current stable
Dec 02 16:46:17 SpanKY	i just wanted you to add yours osx cruft to latest unstable
Dec 02 16:46:18 kito	SpanKY err, nevermind, I meant r6 or whatever
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Dec 02 16:46:20 kito	yeah
Dec 02 16:46:25 kito	you already did
Dec 02 16:46:50 ferringb	kito: commit your prefix fixes kthnx
Dec 02 16:46:57 nixnut	gnight all
Dec 02 16:46:59 nattfodd	SpanKY: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2oakN028.html
Dec 02 16:47:06 grobian	SpanKY, I updated the grep keyword
Dec 02 16:47:15 kito	ferringb are you waiting on me?
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Dec 02 16:47:27 kito	ferringb its broken against trunk...
Dec 02 16:47:32 kito	was trying to fix it first
Dec 02 16:47:39 SpanKY	nattfodd: i meant the build output
Dec 02 16:47:40 ferringb	hmm.
Dec 02 16:47:43 ferringb	kito: yeah, got that vibe.
Dec 02 16:47:46 kito	heh
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Dec 02 16:48:09 kito	ferringb can;t do it tonight, planned on attacking it in the morning
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Dec 02 16:48:23 genstef	!lastspoke mrness
Dec 02 16:48:25 kito	need to finished merging with trunk and try to fix the cache shite
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Dec 02 16:49:18 nattfodd	SpanKY: see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106075
Dec 02 16:49:21 GenBot	nattfodd: Bug 106075; "tetex-3.0-r3 fails due to libtool"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {RESOLVED}; Kenyon Ralph->Text-Markup Team
Dec 02 16:49:50 nattfodd	and also http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113024
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Dec 02 16:49:53 GenBot	nattfodd: Bug 113024; "tetex-3.0-r3 fails install due to libtool error"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {REOPENED}; Sandro->Text-Markup Team
Dec 02 16:50:13 kito	SpanKY err, what macos cruft are you talking about in r8?
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Dec 02 16:50:14 SpanKY	nattfodd: not a bug in libtool
Dec 02 16:50:18 kito	I see no such cruft
Dec 02 16:50:20 SpanKY	kito: KEYWORD=*
Dec 02 16:50:26 kito	I see lots of glunix cruft
Dec 02 16:50:44 kito	what?!?!
Dec 02 16:50:52 kito	r9 is ~
Dec 02 16:51:00 kito	I don't understand what you want
Dec 02 16:51:02 SpanKY	THE SITE OF PPC-MACOS MAKES ME WANT TO SLIT MY WRISTS OK
Dec 02 16:51:08 SpanKY	sight that is
Dec 02 16:51:11 kito	ha
Dec 02 16:51:19 kito	obviously not enough
Dec 02 16:51:24 kito	becuase you haven't done it yet
Dec 02 16:51:25 kito	sissy
Dec 02 16:51:30 SpanKY	YOU DONT KNOW
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Dec 02 16:51:39 SpanKY	i've got towels RIGHT NOW so i dont stain the carpet
Dec 02 16:51:46 kito	eheh!
Dec 02 16:51:49 ferringb	sight, not site
Dec 02 16:51:50 kito	wet naps!
Dec 02 16:51:51 *	ferringb runs
Dec 02 16:52:09 SpanKY	ferringb: thanks, i can copy & paste too retard
Dec 02 16:52:23 ferringb	err, yeah you did get that...
Dec 02 16:52:45 SpanKY	i got a FEVER
Dec 02 16:52:53 SpanKY	and the only prescription is MORE COW BELLS
Dec 02 16:54:54 SpanKY	nattfodd: still think it's a libtool bug ?
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Dec 02 16:55:51 nattfodd	SpanKY: don't know
Dec 02 16:55:56 SpanKY	it isnt
Dec 02 16:55:57 SpanKY	ha !
Dec 02 16:56:08 SpanKY	the autotools in tetex are quite old
Dec 02 16:56:18 nattfodd	but how do I change the ebuild to make it infer tags ?
Dec 02 16:56:23 SpanKY	you dont
Dec 02 16:56:26 SpanKY	you fix the source package
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Dec 02 16:56:48 nattfodd	the Makefile.am and stuff ?
Dec 02 16:56:54 SpanKY	correct behavior: libtool --mode=link --tag=CXX c++ ...
Dec 02 16:57:03 SpanKY	what is happening now: libtool --mode=link c++ ...
Dec 02 16:57:18 SpanKY	if you regenerated the autotools completely, it should in theory magically fix it
Dec 02 16:57:37 nattfodd	hum, might be easier
Dec 02 16:57:42 nattfodd	will try that, thanks
Dec 02 16:57:50 SpanKY	or you could be lazy and either force the --tag=CXX yourself or make sure 'c++' is not used, but rather 'g++'
Dec 02 16:58:25 nattfodd	I tried to force the --tag=CXX but didn't want to patch the Makefile and didn't know how to patch the Makefile.am to make him add it
Dec 02 16:58:44 SpanKY	Makefile.am usually doesnt run libtool directly
Dec 02 16:58:55 SpanKY	when you do `automake` it'll insert the libtool code with the appropriate --tag cruft
Dec 02 16:59:31 nattfodd	will ask the ebuild to rerun automake, then
Dec 02 16:59:33 nattfodd	thanks a lot
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Dec 02 16:59:59 SpanKY	so i stand by my previous statement that 99% of the time now, it isnt a bug in libtool ;)
Dec 02 17:00:06 nattfodd	:)
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Dec 02 17:06:23 robbat2	SpanKY, pingy re openldap RPATH bug
Dec 02 17:06:26 brix	Halcy0n: if I wish to upgrade to gcc-3.4 _and_ switch to CFLAGS=-march=pentium-m I will need to `emerge -e world` twice?
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Dec 02 17:06:40 SpanKY	robbat2: ?
Dec 02 17:06:50 SpanKY	brix: why ?
Dec 02 17:06:54 robbat2	SpanKY, security team said to ask you, one sec for the bug #
Dec 02 17:07:09 brix	SpanKY: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/x86/gcc-upgrading-guide.xml
Dec 02 17:07:10 SpanKY	they just want me to fix it
Dec 02 17:07:14 brix	SpanKY: that's how I read it
Dec 02 17:07:17 robbat2	SpanKY, bug 105380
Dec 02 17:07:20 GenBot	robbat2: Bug 105380; "net-nds/openldap uses insecure RPATH, fails to emerge with portage-2.0.52-r1"; [Gentoo Security :: Vulnerabilities]; {ASSIGNED}; Jason Wever->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/105380
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Dec 02 17:07:33 SpanKY	brix: fair enough
Dec 02 17:07:39 robbat2	SpanKY, I asked them what versions of automake/autoconf I should be using, and they said to ask you
Dec 02 17:07:49 brix	SpanKY: why is this needed?
Dec 02 17:07:53 SpanKY	i'd force the latest personally
Dec 02 17:08:01 robbat2	SpanKY, well it doesn't build with the latest
Dec 02 17:08:02 SpanKY	brix: no idea, it doesnt make sense to me
Dec 02 17:08:07 brix	me neither
Dec 02 17:08:10 SpanKY	then fix it to build with latest ;)
Dec 02 17:08:17 Halcy0n	SpanKY: not setting pentium-m doesn't make sense?
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Dec 02 17:08:25 robbat2	SpanKY, what exactly fixes it? autoconf or automake?
Dec 02 17:08:41 Halcy0n	brix: gcc-3.3 will fail to compile on the way through the emerge -e system/world.
Dec 02 17:09:09 brix	gcc-3.3 will be compiled by gcc-3.4, right?
Dec 02 17:09:22 Halcy0n	brix: the stage1 part will be, and then gcc-3.3 takes over.
Dec 02 17:09:29 brix	ah
Dec 02 17:09:38 Halcy0n	Which won't recognize the flag.
Dec 02 17:09:43 brix	ok, thank you for clearing that up
Dec 02 17:09:46 Halcy0n	np
Dec 02 17:09:58 SpanKY	robbat2: my guess would be the libtool code which requires autoconf-2.5x
Dec 02 17:10:03 steev	toolchains are overrated
Dec 02 17:10:20 brix	Halcy0n: and thank you for spending this much time on getting gcc-3.4 stable on x86
Dec 02 17:10:37 robbat2	SpanKY, in that case it won't be fixed for the 2.2 or older series. ever.
Dec 02 17:10:43 Halcy0n	brix: I'd thank SpanKY and them.  I've been working on gcc-4 :)
Dec 02 17:10:53 Halcy0n	Though they told me to get gcc-3.4 stable recently :P
Dec 02 17:10:55 *	brix thanks SpanKY and 'them'
Dec 02 17:11:02 robbat2	SpanKY, upstream attempted to do it several times, failed. then ripped it up and redid it for openldap-2.3
Dec 02 17:13:24 SpanKY	then your next choice would be to try and patch libtool
Dec 02 17:13:41 SpanKY	assuming you dont need rpaths at all, i'd patch all of them out
Dec 02 17:14:01 SpanKY	ever look at libtool internals ?
Dec 02 17:14:40 robbat2	briefly, back when there was a locking bug in there
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Dec 02 17:48:58 SpanKY	err, wtf xprint in /etc/init.d
Dec 02 17:50:25 amir_	err... did someone already compile openoffice? does compiling ever finish?
Dec 02 17:50:56 SpanKY	i hear it takes days
Dec 02 17:51:06 *	amir_ arghs
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Dec 02 17:51:27 amne	amir_: approx 5 hours on a 2ghz pentium-m
Dec 02 17:52:05 *	amir_ ahs
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Dec 02 17:52:20 amne	be sure to have enough/even more diskspace
Dec 02 17:52:21 *	bonsaikitten kicks amne and his fancy large-cache chip
Dec 02 17:52:28 amne	bonsaikitten: bwhahahaha!
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Dec 02 17:52:43 amir_	are 12G enough?
Dec 02 17:52:43 Weeve	anyone get dbus-0.60 to compile against qt-4 ?
Dec 02 17:52:50 amne	amir_: yes
Dec 02 17:53:00 amir_	great
Dec 02 17:53:19 amne	i had only 3-4 free and didn't notice. it finished compiling, but some libs weren't copied over resulting in a broken version ;-)
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Dec 02 17:53:56 mjc	my roommate lost my freaking ipod
Dec 02 17:54:03 *	amir_ twiddles his thumbs
Dec 02 17:54:19 bonsaikitten	mjc, your fault ;-) </evil>
Dec 02 17:54:32 mjc	heh.
Dec 02 17:54:37 mjc	he's usually very good with my things
Dec 02 17:54:47 mjc	think someone stole it from him while he was sleeping
Dec 02 17:54:54 mjc	regardless, he owes me fair market value
Dec 02 17:54:55 mjc	=P
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Dec 02 18:10:41 drobbins	mjc: hey
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Dec 02 18:11:50 mjc	what's up drobbins, ltns
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Dec 02 18:19:39 drobbins	mjc: thingiese
Dec 02 18:19:45 drobbins	without the extra e at the end
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Dec 02 18:20:25 mjc	hehe
Dec 02 18:20:38 mjc	I'm in vermont, at school
Dec 02 18:23:26 SpanKY	anyone here have gcc emerged with USE=gcj ?
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Dec 02 18:24:52 Chainsaw	SpanKY: Yup.
Dec 02 18:24:56 Chainsaw	SpanKY: 3.4.4
Dec 02 18:25:15 SpanKY	can you post the CONTENTS file somewhere for me please
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Dec 02 18:25:38 Chainsaw	/var/db/pkg/sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4-r1/CONTENTS
Dec 02 18:25:42 Chainsaw	I take it you want that one?
Dec 02 18:25:54 spb	no, he wants the CONTENTS from coreutils
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Dec 02 18:26:22 Chainsaw	spb: Contents is a pretty random name, at any rate.
Dec 02 18:26:36 SpanKY	i'd comment, but spb has me covered
Dec 02 18:26:39 Chainsaw	SpanKY: http://dev.gentoo.org/~chainsaw/CONTENTS
Dec 02 18:26:54 drobbins	headin' home
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Dec 02 19:28:24 rphillips	maybe someone else knows... I'm trying to use catalyst to build a cd w/ gensplash support.  genkernel within the stage2_livecd.spec build does not include a splash because it cannot find /sbin/splash.  splash doesn't get merged in until afterwards when boot/kernel/*/packages: splashutils gets installed
Dec 02 19:28:30 rphillips	is there a re trick on getting this to work?
Dec 02 19:29:03 `Kumba	rphillips: include splashutils in the stage1 spec?
Dec 02 19:29:10 jforman	gensplash depends on the kernel, no?
Dec 02 19:29:18 `Kumba	nope
Dec 02 19:29:21 rphillips	from what I have read that depends on the kernel being compiled
Dec 02 19:29:23 `Kumba	it merges before the kernel
Dec 02 19:30:17 jforman	rphillips: i would ask in #-catalyst or #-releng
Dec 02 19:30:45 rphillips	#-catalyst isn't a channel
Dec 02 19:30:49 rphillips	i'll try -releng
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Dec 02 20:40:18 spyderous	whoever pinged me earlier, i didn't get it
Dec 02 20:40:39 ciaranm	donniiiieeeee!
Dec 02 20:40:58 spyderous	ciaaaaaaaaaaraaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnn
Dec 02 20:41:11 spyderous	!!! ciaran failed, error 2
Dec 02 20:41:37 ciaranm	uh oh
Dec 02 20:41:41 spyderous	have i mentioned how build systems for all scientific apps suck, with few exceptions?
Dec 02 20:41:50 spyderous	i've gotten two more of those non-exceptions today
Dec 02 20:42:06 scox	and not only the build systems
Dec 02 20:42:18 geoman	that's because mose scientific apps are programmed by scientists ;)
Dec 02 20:42:21 geoman	*most
Dec 02 20:42:30 scox	and be glad they're not written in java
Dec 02 20:42:34 *	ciaranm tries to remember how the heck you get the address of a destructor in c++
Dec 02 20:42:36 spyderous	ok, sure, code in general. i know for my apps, i've generally done the minimum necessary to get 'em going
Dec 02 20:42:36 scox	or.. ocaml
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Dec 02 20:51:50 nerdboy	ferringb: ping...
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Dec 02 21:07:05 Halcy0n	ciaranm: why do you need the address of your destructor?
Dec 02 21:07:28 ciaranm	Halcy0n: i'm doing somethin g very very evil
Dec 02 21:07:51 Halcy0n	ciaranm: that's clear, if you need the address of your destructor, but I'm curious why :)
Dec 02 21:08:07 ciaranm	i'm doing it a different way now anyway
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Dec 02 21:44:09 ferringb	nerdboy: pong
Dec 02 21:47:40 nerdboy	your timing is impecable
Dec 02 21:47:49 nerdboy	wife talking...
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Dec 02 22:13:04 Halcy0n	So, who ever came up with the bright idea to use conditional patches in packages?
Dec 02 22:14:33 spb	someone who couldn't be bothered to fix their patch properly
Dec 02 22:14:56 `Kumba	like in ebuilds?
Dec 02 22:14:57 Halcy0n	Well, that's fabulous because people doing my gcc-3.4 upgrade are running into problems compiling packages because gcc-3.4 patches weren't applied to some of the deps.
Dec 02 22:15:23 spb	oh?
Dec 02 22:15:25 Halcy0n	`Kumba: yea.
Dec 02 22:15:45 Halcy0n	spb: current example, speech-tools.  People trying to rebuild festival are going to have fun because the headers in speech-tools aren't patched.
Dec 02 22:15:53 spb	that's just retarded
Dec 02 22:16:07 Halcy0n	!metadata speech-tools
Dec 02 22:16:10 jeeves	Halcy0n: Package: app-accessibility/speech-tools  Herd: accessibility, sound Maintainer: accessibility, sound
Dec 02 22:16:17 Halcy0n	!herd accessibility
Dec 02 22:16:18 jeeves	Halcy0n: (accessibility) dmwaters, eradicator, leonardop, williamh, zx
Dec 02 22:16:20 Halcy0n	!herd sound
Dec 02 22:16:22 jeeves	Halcy0n: (sound) chainsaw, eradicator, flameeyes, fvdpol, kito, matsuu, metalgod, ticho
Dec 02 22:16:24 Halcy0n	^ping
Dec 02 22:16:45 spb	one name appears in both; blame him
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Dec 02 22:18:27 steev	http://phantomdata.com/screenshots/2005-05-26.png - anyone know where to get that bg image? or have they seen it before, i've seen that lil guy before, but i can't remmeber where
Dec 02 22:19:10 Halcy0n	steev: looks like something from DA.  One guy had some 3d renderings with something tha tlooked similar to that robot.
Dec 02 22:19:20 agaffney	mmm...nice
Dec 02 22:21:05 Halcy0n	Actually, it was from someone that I don't think is a dev any longer.
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Dec 02 23:22:26 steev	hmm
Dec 02 23:22:43 steev	i think there is a problem with the savage drivers in kernel
Dec 02 23:24:54 `Kumba	maybe they're too savage?
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Dec 02 23:26:23 Halcy0n	`Kumba: I know its late...but that was just bad :)
Dec 02 23:28:45 `Kumba	I know
Dec 02 23:28:47 `Kumba	very bad
Dec 02 23:29:06 steev	http://dev.gentoo.org/~steev/files/trace.txt
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Dec 02 23:44:56 nerdboy	you savage you...
Dec 02 23:45:50 steev	gonna try with 2.6.14.3, and i've added a bunch of the debugging info to the kernel now
Dec 02 23:49:50 spyderous	steev: the drm?
Dec 02 23:49:57 steev	spyderous: yeah.
Dec 02 23:50:13 spyderous	steev: you can try #dri, or if you're interested in actually coding on it, #dri-devel
Dec 02 23:56:18 steev	not sure that is the right channel, but i will idle there till i reboot to try 2.6.14.3
Dec 02 23:56:31 steev	didn't see anything in the changelog though
Dec 02 23:56:36 steev	so i doubt its affected
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Dec 02 23:59:49 spyderous	steev: dri is the right spot to be for direct rendering.
Dec 03 00:00:01 steev	even in kernel?
Dec 03 00:00:07 steev	i thought that was for the snapshots they have
Dec 03 00:00:31 spyderous	the kernel code is imported from dri repository by airlied
Dec 03 00:00:42 steev	ahh, alrighty then
Dec 03 00:00:44 spyderous	it's mostly the same
Dec 03 00:00:54 spyderous	except some pci stuff
Dec 03 00:01:16 steev	if the in kernel doesn't work, ill try a snapshot again, had a lot of success with them
Dec 03 00:01:21 steev	and i miss playing descent
Dec 03 00:06:38 steev	is it normal for awk to fail on the kernel
Dec 03 00:06:58 steev	awk: cmd. line:1: fatal: cannot open file `/var/tmp/portage/gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r4/work/linux-2.6.14-gentoo-r4/include/linux/version.h' for reading (No such file or directory) is what i get - but the kernel version is updated
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Dec 03 00:41:56 phreak``	steev: thats showing up on every kernel i'm emerging :)
Dec 03 00:45:52 phreak``	and http://phpfi.com/89973 is what an emerge --debug shows :)
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Dec 03 01:02:23 robbat2	greetings
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Dec 03 01:07:10 phreak``	morning robbat2
Dec 03 01:07:18 Ticho	morning both of you
Dec 03 01:07:25 robbat2	11pm here
Dec 03 01:07:47 phreak``	"good evening" then ;)
Dec 03 01:08:09 phreak``	morning Andrej :P
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Dec 03 01:10:48 spock	rphillips: pong
Dec 03 01:11:06 nixnut	gday all
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Dec 03 01:12:23 rphillips	spock: I am having a bit of trouble with genkernel and gensplash within catalyst... would you be the one to talk to?
Dec 03 01:14:27 spock	rphillips: Probably yes. But if your problem is very catalyst-specific, I might not be able to help you :)
Dec 03 01:15:58 rphillips	I'm doing a  stage2 and have splashutils within the kernel packages to merge... genkernel is checking for /sbin/splash though before it injects the image into initramfs.  splash doesn't get merged until after genkernel completes.  Is that a bug, or am I doing something wrong?
Dec 03 01:16:09 rphillips	stage2 livecd *
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Dec 03 01:33:29 spock	rphillips: Hm, I don't really know. You might have better luck asking some of the catalyst guys.
Dec 03 01:33:51 spock	rphillips: One thing that I can tell you for sure is that you can't merge splashutils before the kernel is built.
Dec 03 01:34:46 spock	thoand: So if genkernel is trying to do something with /sbin/splash at a time when the kernel hasn't been built yet, it might be a bug..
Dec 03 01:35:14 rphillips	that is what I was thinking... I'll ask.
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Dec 03 01:35:18 rphillips	thanks
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Dec 03 02:25:29 lu_zero	good morning
Dec 03 02:25:47 nixnut	hi lu_zero
Dec 03 02:31:45 ferringb	live banjo.
Dec 03 02:31:55 ferringb	seriously.  that and a mandolin.  rules.
Dec 03 02:34:01 *	robbat2 has a preference for the harmonic cacaphony of Sigur R?s - with 30+ instruments (incl your banjo and mandolin)
Dec 03 02:34:07 ferringb	'cept they're faster then I, so I can't keep up :/
Dec 03 02:34:26 ferringb	robbat2: I'll accept what I can get in my apt.
Dec 03 02:34:40 ferringb	specially since I'm learning dulcimer :)
Dec 03 02:34:48 ferringb	(interesting instrument)
Dec 03 02:34:53 robbat2	ferringb, you have banjo and mandolin players there right now?
Dec 03 02:35:00 ferringb	yep
Dec 03 02:35:04 ferringb	+ guitar
Dec 03 02:35:08 ferringb	(given)
Dec 03 02:35:49 robbat2	hah! I saw one of those on stage with Sigur R?s, and didn't know what it was called.
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Dec 03 02:36:07 robbat2	now googling for it links the name with an image
Dec 03 02:36:10 steev	sigur ros, you hippies
Dec 03 02:36:32 ferringb	sigur ros, and yes, you're a hippy.
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Dec 03 02:36:56 robbat2	i'm not a hippy, but I am in favour of harmonus sounds
Dec 03 02:37:20 robbat2	pink floyd's wall of sound, but on as many instruments as possible together
Dec 03 02:37:24 ferringb	'cept sigur ros, in my experience, is mostly disharmounious(sp?) sounds :)
Dec 03 02:37:27 GenBot	Suggestions for 'disharmounious': disharmonies, disharmonize, disharmonious, disharmonizes, disharmony, disharmonized, dicoumarins...
Dec 03 02:37:47 robbat2	ferringb, seen them live?
Dec 03 02:38:11 robbat2	i saw them for the first time, on their tour for Takk
Dec 03 02:38:46 robbat2	and i'll say even raw CD audio doesn't do them justice
Dec 03 02:39:02 ferringb	nein, strictly recording I'm afraid.
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Dec 03 02:40:22 robbat2	i'd like to compare a 96khz DAT master with the live thing, to see if even that captures enough
Dec 03 02:40:52 robbat2	i do admit however that their older stuff wasn't anywhere near as good as their latest album (IMHO)
Dec 03 02:41:00 ferringb	haven't heard
Dec 03 02:41:22 ferringb	my experience was strictly vanilla sky based (yes, I live in the midwest, and yes, we're deprived)
Dec 03 02:42:12 robbat2	Sigur was only the second concert I specifically went to see since I moved to north america nearly 6 years ago
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Dec 03 02:42:49 robbat2	we should chat about gpg signing stuff, if you have time
Dec 03 02:44:11 ferringb	robbat2: not now.
Dec 03 02:44:13 ferringb	too drunk.
Dec 03 02:44:20 *	ferringb is having a good time :)
Dec 03 02:44:24 robbat2	lol, I've had 3 glasses of red wine this evening too
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Dec 03 02:44:36 ferringb	yeah, 8 beers tongiht
Dec 03 02:44:44 ferringb	never underestimate the WI tolerance.
Dec 03 02:44:48 robbat2	anyway, if you're around tommorow evening, I'll give you a shout
Dec 03 02:44:59 ferringb	robbat2: won't be, unfortunately.
Dec 03 02:45:19 ferringb	robbat2: roughly, what's your schedule?  I'm moving next week, which means most of the lead up is the annoying family crap
Dec 03 02:45:53 robbat2	weekdays, best time to find me is 10am -> 4pm pacific time.
Dec 03 02:46:03 robbat2	weekends 2pm -> 1am
Dec 03 02:46:03 ferringb	heh
Dec 03 02:46:07 ferringb	the usual crazy times.
Dec 03 02:46:29 ferringb	robbat2: possible.  if I'm online, that means dial up is up, so I *should* respond
Dec 03 02:46:35 amne	morning
Dec 03 02:46:41 ferringb	'xempting the usual hammered issue :)
Dec 03 02:46:46 robbat2	I've tried to stop spending all my hours on IRC when I'm at home during the week, as the spend the entire time at work on IRC
Dec 03 02:46:54 *	ferringb agrees, same here
Dec 03 02:47:03 robbat2	since I started this job, I think i've spent more active time on IRC than in the preceeding 2 years
Dec 03 02:47:32 robbat2	anyway, I may be changing employment come January, so the above may change too
Dec 03 02:47:45 robbat2	i'll keep an eye open for you
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Dec 03 02:49:19 robbat2	btw for your dulcimer, hammered or appalacian?
Dec 03 02:49:50 ferringb	appalachian
Dec 03 02:50:16 *	ferringb notes fundamentally the same for me in terms of work
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Dec 03 02:51:40 robbat2	ok
Dec 03 02:55:06 amir_	woot?! openoffice still compiling?!
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Dec 03 02:55:22 *	amir_ eyes oo with critical eyes 
Dec 03 02:55:29 *	amir_ bows towards all
Dec 03 02:55:33 amir_	morning everybody
Dec 03 02:56:32 nixnut	morning amir
Dec 03 02:56:51 nerdboy	night ppl
Dec 03 02:56:51 amir_	hi nixnut
Dec 03 02:57:14 ---	nerdboy is now known as nerdboy|off
Dec 03 02:57:16 *	amir_ wonders if he should switch from ondemand to performance cpu freq scheduler 
Dec 03 02:57:30 amir_	bye nerdboy
Dec 03 03:00:14 ferringb	wow
Dec 03 03:01:33 ferringb	nothing quite like reading a dude you know died -> http://www.fremanol.com/topnews2.html
Dec 03 03:02:48 amir_	hmm... The host name www.fremanol.com seems unknown
Dec 03 03:04:10 ferringb	http://www.freemanol.com/topnews02.htm
Dec 03 03:04:56 ferringb	much better.  impressive dude, despite his addictions/idiocies.
Dec 03 03:07:34 ferringb	robbat2: had thought about hammered, 'cept what I've gotten to screw with thus far has been appalachian
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Dec 03 03:08:21 alin	hello
Dec 03 03:09:04 brix	moin
Dec 03 03:09:33 nixnut	gday brix
Dec 03 03:09:44 nixnut	hi alin
Dec 03 03:12:42 genstef	moin brix, alin
Dec 03 03:13:19 brix	so how did the gcc-3.4 stabling on x86 go? did we get flooded with bug reports?
Dec 03 03:14:14 ---	kerframil is now known as kerframil_
Dec 03 03:14:46 amne	brix: luckily the instructions include a lot of compiling so we have some time left
Dec 03 03:15:30 brix	heh
Dec 03 03:15:45 steev	heh
Dec 03 03:15:52 *	brix is in the progress of updating his laptop to gcc-3.4
Dec 03 03:16:06 amne	haven't checked bugs.g.o, on the forums it seems to be under control, some questions but that's it
Dec 03 03:17:07 brix	nice
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Dec 03 03:17:56 amne	hahaha
Dec 03 03:18:00 amne	that's a great post
Dec 03 03:18:07 brix	what is?
Dec 03 03:18:09 amne	I wonder, if I weren't a forum crawler (a few friends of mine run Gentoo but never visit the forums), how would I know about the GCC upgrade guide?
Dec 03 03:18:41 amne	Halcy0n sent a mail to -announce, -dev, it's posted on www.gentoo.org and in ewarn too iirc
Dec 03 03:18:44 joem	saw it on planet gentoo
Dec 03 03:19:04 brix	amne: it's on www.g.o
Dec 03 03:19:18 amne	i know, just been quoting some guy
Dec 03 03:19:36 nixnut	huh, about the only thing we didn't do is spread it by im virus
Dec 03 03:19:56 brix	nixnut: oh, we did actually
Dec 03 03:20:01 nixnut	ssssh
Dec 03 03:20:14 amne	we could also buy some "email marketing database" and send a mail to everyone in it
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Dec 03 03:20:31 joem	we had aol auto add gentooalerts to all buddy lists
Dec 03 03:20:39 nixnut	hehe
Dec 03 03:20:41 steev	heh
Dec 03 03:20:58 steev	but but, what if they didn't sign on to aol/aim!?
Dec 03 03:21:21 amne	or there is no AOL in their country
Dec 03 03:21:32 steev	then they are one lucky country!
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Dec 03 03:21:47 amne	heh, hooray for austria then :-)
Dec 03 03:22:30 steev	anywho, gotta work tomorrow, so i need to get some sleep, night all
Dec 03 03:22:45 amne	nite steev
Dec 03 03:22:51 nixnut	bye steev
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Dec 03 03:28:41 amne	uh, some poor guy in the german forum appearently messed up with gcc-config and did emerge -e his system with 3.3.6 instead of 3.4.4 ;-)
Dec 03 03:28:55 steev	aww
Dec 03 03:29:01 nixnut	ouch
Dec 03 03:29:09 joem	must not have gotten the memo
Dec 03 03:29:33 amne	well. he must have a pretty fast system if he's already finished with the first one
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Dec 03 03:39:46 amne	bloody gcc 3.4.4, finish compiling
Dec 03 03:41:09 Ticho	<gcc-3.4.4> oh no i won't, eat dust!
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Dec 03 04:28:10 genstef	mrness: ping
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Dec 03 04:39:33 mrness	genstef: pong
Dec 03 04:45:55 genstef	mrness: ok, I agree
Dec 03 04:46:03 robbat2	night all
Dec 03 04:46:11 mrness	genstef: glad we reach a consensus
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Dec 03 04:47:35 genstef	mrness: but maybe .. I guess there are little changes in the old baselayout -r2
Dec 03 04:48:04 mrness	genstef: nothing important
Dec 03 04:48:05 genstef	mrness: and if they want a new ppp, it is a good idea to also have the -r2 baselayout
Dec 03 04:48:25 mrness	genstef: ... from pppd point of view
Dec 03 04:49:13 mrness	genstef: the requirement is baselayout-1.12.0_pre11... anything greater should work as well
Dec 03 04:49:29 genstef	oops, ok then I see
Dec 03 04:49:39 genstef	not everyone wants that of course
Dec 03 04:50:08 mrness	genstef: I plan to set it as stable when baselayout-1.12 will be set as such
Dec 03 04:50:26 genstef	makes sense
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Dec 03 05:15:06 phreak``	vapier: ping
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Dec 03 05:37:41 phreak``	Halcy0n: ping
Dec 03 05:38:09 sekretarz	jakub: ping
Dec 03 05:46:55 ferringb	wow
Dec 03 05:47:02 ferringb	Sorry! Database error. Baby burped. Try again? <-- best buy error msg
Dec 03 05:47:26 nixnut	hehe
Dec 03 05:47:38 solar	even bestbuy has to restart
Dec 03 05:47:47 ferringb	'parently
Dec 03 05:47:56 ferringb	solar: wth you doing up at this ungodly hour btw?
Dec 03 05:48:23 solar	I fell asleep last night around 7-8pm
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Dec 03 05:48:54 ferringb	yeouch.
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Dec 03 05:49:07 solar	I feel pretty damn good now so it's ok
Dec 03 05:49:35 solar	assume your still up from last night
Dec 03 05:49:36 lu_zero	hi solar =)
Dec 03 05:49:40 ferringb	umm
Dec 03 05:49:43 solar	hi lu_zero
Dec 03 05:49:51 ferringb	*cough* of course not
Dec 03 05:50:13 lu_zero	ferringb 5min phase out doesn't count as "nap"
Dec 03 05:50:36 ferringb	shush
Dec 03 05:51:34 ferringb	good god, that evil daystar is going to be up soon isn't it
Dec 03 05:53:30 avenj	not if you board up your windows
Dec 03 05:55:31 nixnut	yay bugday, time to get my bug fixed.
Dec 03 05:55:37 *	nixnut hollers for infra
Dec 03 05:55:58 ferringb	eeek
Dec 03 05:56:11 nixnut	ah, a volunteer?
Dec 03 05:56:12 ferringb	suns coming in... melting... meeeeeeeellllllltttttttttiiiinnnnnngggg
Dec 03 05:56:18 ferringb	etc, sleeptime /me thinks
Dec 03 05:56:22 nixnut	mmm
Dec 03 05:56:24 ---	ferringb is now known as ferringb|looned
Dec 03 05:56:42 nixnut	!herd infra
Dec 03 05:56:43 jeeves	nixnut: Perhaps I'm malfunctioning?
Dec 03 05:56:43 *	blubb thinks ferringb|looned has rather strange sleeping habits
Dec 03 05:56:45 solar	ferringb|looned: eh? i thought you were good for another 2-3 hrs
Dec 03 05:57:21 ferringb|looned	solar: am, although alchol adjusted that to a +/-5 hours (that said, not throwing it off into massively unnormal hours is wise)
Dec 03 05:57:31 bonsaikitten	nixnut, there is no "infra" herd
Dec 03 05:57:38 nixnut	bonsaikitten: so I see
Dec 03 05:57:55 ferringb|looned	plus I have to do boring stuff during the day ;)
Dec 03 05:59:04 solar	alright. nighty nite.
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Dec 03 06:04:23 jkt|	morning, folks
Dec 03 06:04:33 rane	morning
Dec 03 06:04:35 nixnut	gday jkt|
Dec 03 06:04:59 jkt|	" * Switching native-compiler to i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4 ..."
Dec 03 06:05:16 jkt|	doc says this won't happen...
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Dec 03 06:06:39 brix	yeah, I wondered that as well
Dec 03 06:06:53 axxo	it didn't for me
Dec 03 06:06:54 jkt|	probably portage thing?
Dec 03 06:07:01 *	jkt| has stable x86
Dec 03 06:07:10 kaiowas	yeah, I just discovered that 5 minutes ago
Dec 03 06:08:17 jkt|	upgraded by `emerge -uav gcc`
Dec 03 06:09:14 jkt|	okay, I'll submit a bugreport
Dec 03 06:09:20 jkt|	!metadata gcc
Dec 03 06:09:24 jeeves	jkt|: Package: sys-devel/gcc  Herd: toolchain Maintainer: toolchain
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Dec 03 06:10:06 brix	jkt|: please CC: me
Dec 03 06:10:49 jkt|	okay
Dec 03 06:11:14 jkt|	gcc-porting@g.o, I assume...
Dec 03 06:11:25 brix	I would assume so
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Dec 03 06:15:43 rane	]dev suka
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Dec 03 06:16:28 rane	!herd openoffice
Dec 03 06:16:29 jeeves	rane: (openoffice) pauldv, suka
Dec 03 06:16:33 jkt|	bug 114341
Dec 03 06:16:36 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 114341; "switch to gcc-3.4.4-r1 happens automatically"; [Gentoo Linux :: GCC Porting]; {NEW}; Jan Kundrt->GCC Porting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114341
Dec 03 06:24:36 amne	jkt|: same seems to happen for me, not sure if that's intentional
Dec 03 06:25:01 amne	jkt|: when i wrote the guide it wouldn't switch because some nasty bug prevented post install from happening properly ;-)
Dec 03 06:25:46 jkt|	amne: ah :-)
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Dec 03 06:27:15 lu_zero	hi idani
Dec 03 06:27:18 amne	that german user i mentioned earlier also seemed to have the problem it switches back to 3.3.6 by itself: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2925632.html#2925632
Dec 03 06:27:34 idani	lu_zero:hi!
Dec 03 06:27:45 jkt|	it's do_gcc_config in toolchain eclass
Dec 03 06:27:48 amne	maybe that happens if you don't switch manually or something - don't have a clue
Dec 03 06:28:12 amne	but he reported it switched automatically when installing 3.4.4 and switched back during -e
Dec 03 06:28:37 jkt|	that's nasty :-(
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Dec 03 06:29:44 jkt|	maybe that eclass switches to the "newly installed compiler" and not to the latest one?
Dec 03 06:30:10 jkt|	!herd toolchain
Dec 03 06:30:11 jeeves	jkt|: (toolchain) agriffis, avenj, azarah, dostrow, eradicator, g2boojum, halcy0n, iluxa, jhuebel, kevquinn, kumba, lu_zero, lv, method, mutex, pfeifer, pvdabeel, solar, tgall, vapier
Dec 03 06:30:14 jkt|	^^ ping
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Dec 03 06:30:42 kaiowas	`-mcpu=' is deprecated. Use `-mtune=' or '-march=' instead. sweet
Dec 03 06:31:00 amne	jkt|: i assume it must be something like this i'm afraid. maybe only if no manual switch has been made, otherwise it should have hit me, too
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Dec 03 07:25:29 jkt|	amne: for that german user complaining that it wants to re-emerge gcc-3.3.6 - it wanted here as well, prevented by `emerge -1 libstdc++-v3`
Dec 03 07:25:56 amne	jkt|: even when doing -e world?
Dec 03 07:26:27 kerframil	yes, the only way to avoid that is to put it in /etc/portage/provide/package.provided or USE="nocxx" (but the latter approach results in no g++, personally I use the former)
Dec 03 07:26:36 kerframil	oops, profile/package.provided rather
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Dec 03 07:27:07 kerframil	(or to keep gcc-3.3.x of course ;)
Dec 03 07:27:25 jkt|	amne: yeah
Dec 03 07:27:40 jkt|	kerframil: well, not really
Dec 03 07:27:46 kerframil	how so?
Dec 03 07:28:08 jkt|	kerframil: of you emerge libstdc++-v3, it would satisfy gcc-3.4's denependancy
Dec 03 07:28:22 amne	i don't really understand. if i do emerge -e world portage is supposed to rebuild all packages, including slotted ones, right? so 3.3.6 would still be rebuilt?
Dec 03 07:28:36 jkt|	amne: nope
Dec 03 07:28:55 jkt|	it just tries to reinstall every package in the world file with empty deptree
Dec 03 07:29:01 kerframil	I'm not disputing that; what I am suggesting is that if (1) you run a gcc-3.4.x/4.x.x native system (a I do, it was built from the ground up that way) and (2) you don't run binaries that arbitrarily link to libstdc++.so.5 which we have no opportunity to recompile then you don't need it
Dec 03 07:29:11 kerframil	so I put it in package.provided
Dec 03 07:29:28 amne	jkt|: ah, makes sense then
Dec 03 07:29:29 jkt|	kerframil: ah, seems I misunderstood you :-)
Dec 03 07:30:03 kerframil	jkt|: <nod>
Dec 03 07:30:21 kerframil	I've also heard that it can cause python weirdness under some circumstances; marienz knows about that (I forget the exact circumstances)
Dec 03 07:30:30 kerframil	if you build so and so in such and such an order
Dec 03 07:30:40 amne	jkt|: so it may make sense to install libstdc++-v3 first, run emerge -e then and remove gcc 3.3.6 afterwards maybe?
Dec 03 07:30:58 jkt|	amne: that's what am I doing now
Dec 03 07:31:30 amne	jkt|: if it works it may be a good idea to update the guide - let's just hope it doesn't introduce other problems then ;-)
Dec 03 07:31:56 jkt|	yep, I'll talk to Halcy0n about that...
Dec 03 07:32:19 amne	this would hopefully remove all those compiler-switching by itself forth and back issues, too
Dec 03 07:32:20 jkt|	it's a pity that upgrade doesn't work as described in the docs, we should have tested it...
Dec 03 07:32:31 kerframil	libstdc++-v3 and gcc-3.3.x can't co-exist
Dec 03 07:32:57 kerframil	what's the issue? I'd like to know about it in case users complain about it in the main channel :/
Dec 03 07:33:09 jkt|	amne: well, if I understand it correctly, this switching is caused by rebuild of old gcc
Dec 03 07:33:12 amne	jkt|: actually i did test it ;-)
Dec 03 07:33:21 jkt|	amne: do you have eselect installed?
Dec 03 07:33:31 jkt|	kerframil: they can
Dec 03 07:33:38 jkt|	kerframil: at least they can be installed
Dec 03 07:33:40 amne	jkt|: app-admin/eselect? nope
Dec 03 07:33:54 jkt|	neither do I
Dec 03 07:34:09 jkt|	because that eclass which switches compiler can make use of it
Dec 03 07:34:19 kerframil	jkt|: hmm, ok
Dec 03 07:34:26 amne	jkt|: i just ran into a lot of other bugs. one appearently kept gcc from automatically switching the version because it screwed up in postinstall. that's probably why that never was noticed
Dec 03 07:34:49 SwifT	ieps all
Dec 03 07:35:03 jkt|	well, that eclass can use either eselect or just gcc-config
Dec 03 07:35:21 amne	hi SwifT
Dec 03 07:36:06 amne	kerframil: about libstdc++-v3 and gcc 3.3.x, it doesn't block each other here
Dec 03 07:36:28 jforman	morning all
Dec 03 07:36:34 jakub	amne: yes, but it's absolutely pointless
Dec 03 07:36:50 jakub	either keep 3.3 or emerge libstdc++-v3
Dec 03 07:36:52 kerframil	amne: ok, my bad then
Dec 03 07:37:22 amne	jakub: sure, but the idea is emerge libstdc++-v3, emerge -e world, emerge -C 3.3.x
Dec 03 07:37:31 kerframil	or use rebuild anything that links to libstdc++.so.5 and use neither :)
Dec 03 07:37:44 jakub	amne: why?
Dec 03 07:37:47 amne	jakub: this should keep emerge -e world from rebuilding gcc 3.3.x and causing trouble
Dec 03 07:38:01 kerframil	all libstdc++-v3 does it provide libstdc++.so.5 again which is already provided by gcc-3.3.x
Dec 03 07:38:03 amne	kerframil: heh, that's the alternative way in the upgrade guide already :-)
Dec 03 07:38:05 jkt|	jakub: if you have x86 and installed gcc-3.4.4
Dec 03 07:38:11 kerframil	so I agree with jakub, why?
Dec 03 07:38:25 jakub	jkt|: yeah, and? why do I need  libstdc++-v3 to emerge -e world?
Dec 03 07:38:31 kerframil	in my experience, emerge -e world and emerge -C 3.3.x is enough
Dec 03 07:38:39 kerframil	or revdep-rebuild --soname=libstdc++.so.5
Dec 03 07:38:44 jkt|	jakub: because it would otherwise want to re-emerge gcc-3.3
Dec 03 07:38:57 jkt|	jakub: which would switch the compiler back to 3.3
Dec 03 07:39:03 jakub	?
Dec 03 07:39:05 amne	kerframil: it seems to rebuild 3.3.x then. and then it switches back to 3.3.x. that's the problem
Dec 03 07:39:11 jkt|	jakub: see bug 114341
Dec 03 07:39:14 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 114341; "switch to gcc-3.4.4-r1 happens automatically"; [Gentoo Linux :: GCC Porting]; {NEW}; Jan Kundrt->GCC Porting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114341
Dec 03 07:39:16 kerframil	hmm, that sucks
Dec 03 07:39:24 kerframil	amne: thanks for the info
Dec 03 07:39:28 jakub	jkt|: so the bug should be fixed
Dec 03 07:39:36 jkt|	jakub: because `emerge -e system` wants to re-emerge both gcc-3.4 and *then* gcc-3.3
Dec 03 07:39:41 jkt|	sure :-)
Dec 03 07:40:00 amne	let's kill some baby kittens and offer them to the cruel gcc god. maybe it helps
Dec 03 07:40:19 jakub	honesly, revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.5 is all that's needed, can't see the reason for all this emerge -e world cruft
Dec 03 07:40:36 jkt|	jakub: as if you install other gcc version, regardless if older or newer, it becomes the new default compiler
Dec 03 07:40:40 amne	jakub: that's the alternative way in the guide already ;-)
Dec 03 07:40:43 jkt|	jakub: at least according to the forum reports
Dec 03 07:40:50 kerframil	yes, but if you use the revdep-rebuild trick then it won't prompt to rebuild gcc
Dec 03 07:41:06 amne	kerframil: can't confirm that on my system
Dec 03 07:41:22 jkt|	kerframil: that's possible, but we *do* have wrong instructions in our docs :-(
Dec 03 07:41:28 jkt|	outside of GDP, hehe :-)
Dec 03 07:41:33 kerframil	I'm not saying it's not an issue mindg
Dec 03 07:41:38 jkt|	s/GDP/GDP's scope/
Dec 03 07:41:48 kerframil	given the mindset of most users, they'll want to emerge -e world anyway ;)
Dec 03 07:41:51 SwifT	jkt|: doesn't mean that we shouldn't report it though
Dec 03 07:42:03 jakub	well, as I said revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.5 && emerge -C =gcc-3.3 && emerge libstdc++-v3 && emerge -e world should just work, if people really are bored to re-emerge everything
Dec 03 07:42:03 jkt|	SwifT: see bug 114341
Dec 03 07:42:06 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 114341; "switch to gcc-3.4.4-r1 happens automatically"; [Gentoo Linux :: GCC Porting]; {NEW}; Jan Kundrt->GCC Porting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114341
Dec 03 07:42:29 amne	jakub: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/x86/gcc-upgrading-guide.xml#doc_chap2 :-)
Dec 03 07:42:48 jkt|	jakub: swap installation of libstdc++-v3 with unmerge of older gcc version
Dec 03 07:42:59 jakub	jkt|: why?
Dec 03 07:43:02 jakub	it does not matter
Dec 03 07:43:12 jkt|	jakub: to be safe if your computer breaks in the middle of it?
Dec 03 07:43:23 jkt|	er
Dec 03 07:43:35 *	jkt| missed the revdep-rebuild part
Dec 03 07:43:36 jakub	everything's been rebuild in step one, there's nothing to break
Dec 03 07:43:48 kerframil	sometimes it does fail
Dec 03 07:43:52 kerframil	I've seen it happen to KDE users
Dec 03 07:44:34 kerframil	because the order of rebuilding is somewhat non-deterministic when dealing with the stuff that's still linked to the old runtime
Dec 03 07:44:42 kerframil	cue arts causing lots of build failures and such
Dec 03 07:44:45 rane	any ideas on what is SPLIT_SPECS variable in make.conf for?
Dec 03 07:45:13 Ticho	143759 ( NopaTop) if people would write proper software in the 1st place there would be  no need for shit like patch
Dec 03 07:45:14 kerframil	I helped one user through an upgrade a whlie back and had to unmerge a large swathe of KDE
Dec 03 07:47:35 Ticho	hm, not restarting distcc on all distcc nodes after all of them have been upgraded to gcc 3.4 also doesn't yield nice results
Dec 03 07:48:16 jkt|	:-)
Dec 03 07:49:48 solar	rane: no profile should have SPLIT_SPECS= set. where did you see that?
Dec 03 07:50:01 rane	solar: it's in my make.conf
Dec 03 07:50:09 solar	did you set it?
Dec 03 07:50:20 jkt|	amne: hmm, I can confirm that german user's issue with compiler switching :-(
Dec 03 07:50:29 rane	solar: no
Dec 03 07:50:33 jakub	kerframil: KDE is broken, I throws just crap if a part of it has been compiled w/ another compiler version; best way to emerge the whole thing
Dec 03 07:50:52 rane	solar: it's set to "false" in there
Dec 03 07:50:58 solar	rane: must of been some random hacker then
Dec 03 07:51:10 jkt|	amne: happens here with `quickpkg =gcc-3.3.6` and `emerge -K =gcc-3.3.6`
Dec 03 07:51:14 solar	kidding. No really when you find out how it got there please let me know
Dec 03 07:51:17 *	jkt| will add that to the bugreport
Dec 03 07:51:23 rane	fine :)
Dec 03 07:51:26 kerframil	jakub: yep, pretty much
Dec 03 07:51:50 amne	jkt|: sucks :-(
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Dec 03 07:52:18 amne	jkt|: did you already emerge libstdc++-v3?
Dec 03 07:52:31 solar	rane/w20
Dec 03 07:52:37 solar	erp. ignore that
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Dec 03 07:54:02 jkt|	amne: yeah
Dec 03 07:54:15 amne	jkt|: and it still builds 3.3.x?
Dec 03 07:54:27 jkt|	amne: nope, that was manually triggered
Dec 03 07:54:31 amne	jkt|: ah
Dec 03 07:54:43 jkt|	amne: just to verify that german user's problem
Dec 03 07:55:24 amne	jkt|: any files except config when listing ls /etc/env.d/gcc/config*
Dec 03 07:55:34 jkt|	so it seems to me that if we change the guide to install libstdc++-v3 *before* `emerge -e system`, it would work
Dec 03 07:55:56 amne	jkt|: or just the config one?
Dec 03 07:56:16 jkt|	amne: other files
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Dec 03 07:56:27 amne	jkt|: other files beginning with config*?
Dec 03 07:56:33 jkt|	amne: http://pastebin.com/447203
Dec 03 07:56:42 jkt|	nope, only "config" and "gcc-*"
Dec 03 07:56:48 jkt|	er
Dec 03 07:56:48 amne	ah, fine then
Dec 03 07:56:59 jkt|	"config" and "i686-*"
Dec 03 07:57:19 amne	i had an orphaned config-foo file and that one also messed up, always switched me back to gcc 3.3.5 (which was uninstalled already)
Dec 03 07:57:42 jkt|	hmm, but this is not the case...
Dec 03 07:58:18 amne	so you're suggesting emerge libstdc++-v3 && emerge -e system, i guess that would work
Dec 03 07:58:35 jkt|	yep
Dec 03 07:58:38 amne	can you estimate how long it will take you to test that?
Dec 03 07:59:24 jkt|	well, not sure about what you mean by "test"
Dec 03 07:59:39 amne	i assumed you're upgrading anyway
Dec 03 07:59:56 jkt|	use "old" x86 system, `emerge -uav gcc` and `emerge -1 libstdc++v3` and `emerge -epv system` (notice the --pretend)
Dec 03 08:00:14 jkt|	that shows you that it doesn't want to re-emerge old gcc
Dec 03 08:00:19 jkt|	so you should be safe
Dec 03 08:00:46 jkt|	that's what I've done and I'm rebuilding system (not world) right now
Dec 03 08:00:55 amne	oh, so you already tested it :-)
Dec 03 08:01:05 amne	or are in the middle of doing so
Dec 03 08:01:09 jkt|	if you name it so, then yeah, it's tested
Dec 03 08:01:38 jkt|	I'm pretty sure it will work unless portage is horribly broken and --pretend causes it to skip gcc-3.3.6 :-)
Dec 03 08:01:45 amne	heh
Dec 03 08:02:15 amne	i'm just afraid of what would happen if the guide gets changed to something even more broken ;-)
Dec 03 08:02:39 jkt|	!herd toolchain
Dec 03 08:02:39 jeeves	jkt|: (toolchain) agriffis, avenj, azarah, dostrow, eradicator, g2boojum, halcy0n, iluxa, jhuebel, kevquinn, kumba, lu_zero, lv, method, mutex, pfeifer, pvdabeel, solar, tgall, vapier
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Dec 03 08:02:43 jkt|	ping ^^^
Dec 03 08:03:38 amne	i think it's just morning in america
Dec 03 08:04:01 jkt|	yep
Dec 03 08:04:29 jkt|	but solar has woken up already :-)
Dec 03 08:04:33 solar	or ppl on toolchain are opting to ignore all of this as older versions of gcc dont matter so much
Dec 03 08:04:44 amne	heh
Dec 03 08:04:45 jkt|	solar: do you mean stable x86 systems?
Dec 03 08:04:55 *	jkt| disagrees
Dec 03 08:05:00 amne	jkt|: x86 doesn't matter so much ;-)
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Dec 03 08:05:12 *	jkt| calls devrel :-)
Dec 03 08:05:12 solar	well if you want to talk about x86 stuff there is a #-x86 channel.
Dec 03 08:05:18 jkt|	k
Dec 03 08:05:54 amne	solar: fwiw it also affects other arches even if x86 just makes the big switch currently
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Dec 03 08:14:55 sekretarz	jakub: re-ping
Dec 03 08:15:04 jakub	sekretarz: re-pong ;)
Dec 03 08:15:55 sekretarz	jakub: i want to go to mauntains to the czech, do you know any places where i can go?
Dec 03 08:16:05 sekretarz	i want go skiing
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Dec 03 08:16:37 jakub	sekretarz: pm?
Dec 03 08:16:47 sekretarz	ok
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Dec 03 08:23:14 jkt|	okay, I've added patch to that bug
Dec 03 08:24:59 amne	i'm bad at reading patches, but afaik you just moved emerge libstdc++ before emerge -e system, right?
Dec 03 08:25:05 jkt|	yep
Dec 03 08:25:07 amne	afaics actually
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Dec 03 08:26:09 amne	sounds good to me. just don't have a clue who is permitted/should/can change that stuff
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Dec 03 08:26:26 amne	not my realm over there
Dec 03 08:26:30 *	amne <- forums monkey ;-)
Dec 03 08:26:56 jkt|	technically speaking, we all have enough access to do that
Dec 03 08:27:03 jkt|	or at least we should have
Dec 03 08:27:41 amne	yeah, but i was told it may be considered impolite to simply put "ME PWNZ JOO" into other people's docs
Dec 03 08:27:45 rane	we shouldn't touch it without owners permission
Dec 03 08:27:52 jkt|	okay, so now we have wrong docs. If I fix it, I might be slapped from "base" people...
Dec 03 08:28:12 jkt|	amne: but you're the author, so I'll do that
Dec 03 08:28:18 amne	if author is good enough, i'm one of them
Dec 03 08:28:41 amne	but as said, it's usally not my realm, so another OK from someone competent would be good
Dec 03 08:29:53 rane	just do it and lie that fox2mike told you to break it
Dec 03 08:29:57 amne	heh
Dec 03 08:29:59 rane	they will blame him and all goes fine :)
Dec 03 08:30:26 jkt|	committed
Dec 03 08:30:34 jkt|	eh
Dec 03 08:30:41 amne	heh, let's blame jkt|!!!!!!!
Dec 03 08:30:47 sekretarz	;>
Dec 03 08:30:47 jkt|	my_xml_skills--
Dec 03 08:31:12 jakub	lol
Dec 03 08:31:30 rane	:)
Dec 03 08:31:55 jkt|	fixed :-)
Dec 03 08:32:01 jkt|	just a tiny missing </p>
Dec 03 08:32:22 jkt|	and only because they don't respect recommended coding style
Dec 03 08:32:32 amne	3. Using emerge -e (Safer method)
Dec 03 08:32:44 amne	somehow it's ironic the "safer" method doesn't work as intended ;-)
Dec 03 08:32:47 jkt|	yeah
Dec 03 08:33:17 jkt|	docs still needs to be corrected as they say that compiler change won't happen automatically
Dec 03 08:34:23 amne	yeah, that's still kind of confusing
Dec 03 08:34:55 amne	i think we should find out first if this is intended behaviour
Dec 03 08:35:27 amne	iirc i heard people actually say it doesn't happen. not sure if they were simply wrong or this should actually be the case
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Dec 03 08:37:23 jakub	Betelgeuse: pong; I've probably missed something, that bug is about revdep-rebuild being sucky w/ binary packages, so change the summary please; or shall we have separate bugs about 'revdep-rebuild sucks w/{java,opera,mozilla-bin,firefox-bin,openoffice-bin,...}?
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Dec 03 08:38:56 jkt|	amne: well, it happened here
Dec 03 08:39:12 Betelgeuse	jakub: yes
Dec 03 08:39:20 Betelgeuse	jakub: Because the best solution is to fix deps.
Dec 03 08:39:31 Betelgeuse	jakub: or to installing revdep-rebuild control files
Dec 03 08:39:39 Betelgeuse	jakub: I can't do either for other packages
Dec 03 08:39:53 Betelgeuse	jakub: So open another bugs for all packages and the leave the blackdown bug alone.
Dec 03 08:40:12 amne	jkt|: yes, seems to happen quite often
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Dec 03 08:41:09 amne	jkt|: someone recommended in the german thread to execute env-update after merging libstdc++-v3 because libstdc++.so.5 is no longer in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/ but /usr/lib/libstdc++-v3/
Dec 03 08:41:47 jkt|	amne: env-update is called after every emerge, iirc
Dec 03 08:41:50 amne	jkt|: i suppose it only matters after unmerging gcc (which doesn't happen until the end in our version)
Dec 03 08:42:00 jkt|	amne: you probably mean source /etc/profile
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Dec 03 08:42:38 amne	jkt|: i think neither is really necessary, but what do i know ;-)
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Dec 03 08:46:37 jakub	Betelgeuse: I don't care really, we can have a separate bug for every crappy binary in portage, which will finally be worked around by w/ SEARCH_DIRS_MASK anyway; as you wish
Dec 03 08:47:39 jkt|	does anynoe know if the `source /etc/profile` is required for changes made by `env-update` to take effect?
Dec 03 08:50:37 beejay	shouldn't.
Dec 03 08:50:41 SwifT	klieber: taking out frustratins on someone who has frustrations eh? :)
Dec 03 08:50:54 SwifT	frustrations even
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Dec 03 08:59:40 jforman	!metadata hwdata-gentoo
Dec 03 08:59:41 jeeves	jforman: Package: sys-apps/hwdata-gentoo  Herd: livecd Maintainer: livecd
Dec 03 09:02:19 beejay	!herd livecd
Dec 03 09:02:19 jeeves	beejay: (livecd) beejay, jhuebel, wolf31o2
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Dec 03 09:02:42 beejay	jforman: I can't do it, Huebel is missing in action, so Gianelloni is your choice :P
Dec 03 09:03:09 beejay	jforman: good luck
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Dec 03 09:11:59 jkt|	amne: yeah, sure
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Dec 03 09:22:30 araujo	Good morning Gentoo'ers!
Dec 03 09:22:58 Gothgirl	Mornin
Dec 03 09:23:33 zzam	Is it ok to check USE_EXPANDED variables by "use" as I get a QA notice when doing it?
Dec 03 09:23:52 axxo	it is
Dec 03 09:23:55 axxo	ignore the qa
Dec 03 09:24:27 zzam	axxo: thanks
Dec 03 09:24:31 Gothgirl	!herd net-im
Dec 03 09:24:31 jeeves	Gothgirl: (net-im) humpback, rizzo, sekretarz, tester
Dec 03 09:24:36 amne	axxo: heh. must resist taking this line out of context ;-)
Dec 03 09:24:48 Gothgirl	^^ping guys
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Dec 03 09:30:44 az	!herd apache
Dec 03 09:30:46 jeeves	az: (apache) chtekk, hollow, kloeri, mattm, rl03, robbat2, stuart, trapni, urilith, vericgar, zul
Dec 03 09:30:54 az	ping ^^ about rc-script
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Dec 03 09:32:10 Hollow	az: pong
Dec 03 09:32:50 az	Hollow: what is that FILENAME stuff in the rc-script about ?
Dec 03 09:33:26 Hollow	az: seems like a left-over from multi-config support
Dec 03 09:34:14 az	Hollow: k .. could we please remove it, or at least change it to: FILENAME=${myservice}
Dec 03 09:34:17 az	?
Dec 03 09:34:25 rizzo	Gothgirl: pong
Dec 03 09:34:39 Hollow	az: i'll remove it
Dec 03 09:34:44 az	Hollow: thanks
Dec 03 09:35:01 az	it screws around if you source the rcscript
Dec 03 09:35:23 Hollow	ok, thanks
Dec 03 09:35:36 Gothgirl	rizzo, Hey.. Trying to resolve bug#103587, ebuild works and app is fine, however I'm not sure if their license allows me to add this build or if I can how I would go about doing it.
Dec 03 09:35:40 GenBot	Gothgirl: Bug 103587; "gizmo VoIP (new ebuild)"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Florian Hackenberger->Gentoo net-im Herd; http://bugs.gentoo.org/103587
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Dec 03 09:35:58 Hollow	az: will appear in the next ebuild release
Dec 03 09:36:11 Hollow	i.e. it will not appear anymore :P
Dec 03 09:36:13 az	Hollow: np, thanks
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Dec 03 09:40:09 rizzo	Gothgirl: I'm not really a license expert
Dec 03 09:40:28 rizzo	perhaps ask some of the higher-ups around here
Dec 03 09:40:40 rizzo	I don't really know who that would be either
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Dec 03 09:43:01 solar	everybody is equal around here
Dec 03 09:43:50 kito	like communism.
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Dec 03 09:44:31 Gothgirl	nods rizzo
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Dec 03 09:45:00 Gothgirl	Aighty any guys/gals who would be able to assist me with a license issue please ping/pong me. :)
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Dec 03 09:48:14 jkt|	Gothgirl: is their license available somewhere?
Dec 03 09:48:36 Gothgirl	jkt|, yes http://www.gizmoproject.com/gizmo-end-user.html
Dec 03 09:49:40 jkt|	Gothgirl: well, you cannot put their files to the mirrors...
Dec 03 09:50:00 Gothgirl	fetch restricted right?
Dec 03 09:51:48 jkt|	I'm not sure if you can let ebuild fetch it automatically
Dec 03 09:52:01 Gothgirl	nod
Dec 03 09:53:26 jkt|	Gothgirl: maybe ask someone like wolf31o2 on #-games as they deal with such licenses...
Dec 03 09:53:40 Gothgirl	Nos, will do that :) thanky
Dec 03 09:54:25 jkt|	np :-)
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Dec 03 10:39:23 lisa	!meta sandbox
Dec 03 10:39:24 jeeves	lisa: Package: sys-apps/sandbox  Herd: no-herd Maintainer: [e-mail]
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Dec 03 10:43:11 lisa	1.2.15 is failing :<
Dec 03 10:43:22 az	so try 1.2.16
Dec 03 10:43:38 lisa	didn't know there was one. *cvs up*
Dec 03 10:43:53 lisa	that's better. hehe
Dec 03 10:44:00 az	im guessing your libc is not stripped
Dec 03 10:44:06 az	what caused the issues in 1.2.15
Dec 03 10:44:09 lisa	yes
Dec 03 10:44:17 lisa	i just spotted i had nostrip in features.
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Dec 03 10:46:34 lisa	az: worked, thanks
Dec 03 10:46:49 az	np
Dec 03 10:47:41 lisa	hah. well that would explain why distcc was failing. wrong %&/!")(/ version on the server
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Dec 03 11:13:57 lisa	how can i stop portage from installing kernels? i want to keep theone kernel i have and not bother with other versions
Dec 03 11:14:15 jkt|	lisa: mask them
Dec 03 11:14:23 lisa	i have, portage bitches
Dec 03 11:14:40 jkt|	how?
Dec 03 11:15:02 carpaski	Trying using portage.inject and put 2.6.999 as a version.
Dec 03 11:15:18 carpaski	For each type...
Dec 03 11:15:23 lisa	carpaski: how's that work?
Dec 03 11:15:31 carpaski	err
Dec 03 11:15:33 carpaski	packages.inject
Dec 03 11:15:54 carpaski	echo "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.99" >> /etc/portage/packages.inject
Dec 03 11:15:55 carpaski	?
Dec 03 11:16:01 jakub	lisa: see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92443#c20 for a less hacky way
Dec 03 11:16:04 GenBot	jakub: Bug 92443; "New ebuild: homebrew-sources-2.6.99.ebuild"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {RESOLVED:WONTFIX}; Krzysiek Pawlik->Gentoo Kernel Bug Wranglers and Kernel Maintainers
Dec 03 11:17:11 jakub	lisa: you maintain your own ricer patchset? ;p
Dec 03 11:17:19 lisa	no
Dec 03 11:17:25 lisa	i'm using gentoo-sources
Dec 03 11:17:44 lisa	except i have <100MB free on / so i can't keep installing sources that i never use
Dec 03 11:18:30 SpanKY	phreak``: pong
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Dec 03 11:20:22 Griffon26	oops
Dec 03 11:23:03 `Kumba	time to buy more disk drives
Dec 03 11:23:29 lisa	:p
Dec 03 11:23:36 lisa	i typo'd when i allocated the disk
Dec 03 11:23:40 lisa	4000 != 40000
Dec 03 11:24:25 `Kumba	didn't specify G over M?
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Dec 03 11:33:46 Ticho	damn, xorg merge failed at the lazy bindings error
Dec 03 11:34:11 jakub	heh
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Dec 03 12:06:50 sanchan	tutto ok?
Dec 03 12:07:17 sanchan	ooops, sorry, wrong window
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Dec 03 12:10:53 beejay	sanchan?
Dec 03 12:11:03 beejay	Sorry, but that reminds me of "Sancho and Pancho"
Dec 03 12:11:17 johnm	BJ!
Dec 03 12:11:29 johnm	That XXX rated?
Dec 03 12:11:43 beejay	lol?
Dec 03 12:11:47 beejay	The two frogs
Dec 03 12:11:51 axxo	? xxx
Dec 03 12:11:52 jeeves	http://www.gentoo.org/doc/de/handbook/handbook-mips.xml?part=1&chap=2
Dec 03 12:11:55 beejay	http://www.sanchopancho.net/images/eCards/eCards.jpg
Dec 03 12:12:12 johnm	Never heard of em before.
Dec 03 12:12:20 johnm	sounded like exported mexican porn.
Dec 03 12:12:24 jakub	lol
Dec 03 12:12:35 beejay	you don't know sancho and pancho?
Dec 03 12:12:38 beejay	Jesus...
Dec 03 12:12:43 johnm	I know Jesus!
Dec 03 12:12:54 bonsaikitten_	i am jesus?
Dec 03 12:13:02 Ramereth	bonsaikitten_: far from it
Dec 03 12:13:11 johnm	bonsaikitten_: almost. You just look a little bit like him.
Dec 03 12:13:21 bonsaikitten_	hehe
Dec 03 12:13:51 sanchan	beejay: no, nothing to do with sancho
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Dec 03 12:15:46 araujo	Somebody who doesn't know sanchopancho deserves to die.
Dec 03 12:15:56 bonsaikitten_	in the end we all die ...
Dec 03 12:16:05 araujo	deserves to die before
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Dec 03 12:16:41 beejay	"Hey, Sancho.. what is this red cigar?" - "Pancho... IT'S DYNAMITE" *sillyrunawaymusic*
Dec 03 12:17:17 araujo	hahaha
Dec 03 12:17:30 araujo	I love them
Dec 03 12:17:47 beejay	was it in "The Pink Panther" series?
Dec 03 12:17:52 araujo	beejay, yes
Dec 03 12:18:03 beejay	I don't know where, I only remember it was included in some top-level series
Dec 03 12:18:07 beejay	ah
Dec 03 12:18:13 beejay	there was also some dumb sherrif
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Dec 03 12:18:25 araujo	beejay, i like the episode where they are the parents of a bird :-)
Dec 03 12:18:28 phreak``	SpanKY: about your recent changes in kernel-2.eclass :)
Dec 03 12:18:47 beejay	araujo: sorry, haven't seen them for years now
Dec 03 12:18:58 beejay	araujo: only remember them from when I was a kid
Dec 03 12:19:03 beejay	trauma...
Dec 03 12:19:08 araujo	beejay, haha
Dec 03 12:19:21 araujo	beejay, don't you have this tv channel of old cartoons?
Dec 03 12:19:34 araujo	they broadcast it there
Dec 03 12:19:43 beejay	araujo: "tv-channel of old cartoons"?
Dec 03 12:19:56 araujo	yes
Dec 03 12:20:05 araujo	60-70-80's cartoons
Dec 03 12:20:22 beejay	"Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs"
Dec 03 12:20:27 beejay	"Galaxy Rangers"
Dec 03 12:20:32 beejay	"Captain Future"
Dec 03 12:20:32 araujo	haha
Dec 03 12:20:35 beejay	"Flash Gordon"
Dec 03 12:20:39 Halcy0n	phreak``: pong
Dec 03 12:20:41 beejay	"Ring Raiders"
Dec 03 12:20:41 Halcy0n	jkt|: pong
Dec 03 12:20:43 Halcy0n	amne: pong
Dec 03 12:20:43 beejay	OMG
Dec 03 12:20:46 *	beejay remembers...
Dec 03 12:20:58 phreak``	ah there you are :)
Dec 03 12:21:01 jkt|	Halcy0n: please see 114341
Dec 03 12:21:02 bonsaikitten_	The A-Team! </80s>
Dec 03 12:21:13 amne	Halcy0n: what jkt| said ;-)
Dec 03 12:21:23 araujo	Biiird Maan!
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Dec 03 12:22:27 Halcy0n	Hmm...interesting.
Dec 03 12:22:33 araujo	"The Little Lulu"
Dec 03 12:22:36 Spider	No it aint ;p
Dec 03 12:22:46 Spider	Doesn't matter what it is, it isn't interesting. :p
Dec 03 12:22:48 araujo	That was actually a sane cartoon, before becoming a nasty movie :-]
Dec 03 12:23:30 beejay	I liked "The Queen of the 1000 years"
Dec 03 12:23:36 beejay	but hey.. I was 10 back then"
Dec 03 12:23:45 beejay	and it was only a 15 episode series
Dec 03 12:23:57 araujo	mm.. think never heard of it
Dec 03 12:24:10 araujo	European cartoon?
Dec 03 12:24:29 beejay	http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=487
Dec 03 12:25:38 araujo	oh i see..
Dec 03 12:26:20 araujo	i used to watch some anime space cartoons too.. don't remenber their names though
Dec 03 12:26:27 Spider	Compnerd: Bingalinga.
Dec 03 12:27:46 Halcy0n	jkt|, amne: alright, give me a few to wake up and I'll look in a bit :)
Dec 03 12:28:00 compnerd	Spider: pong
Dec 03 12:28:10 araujo	i just varely remenber one where they are like 3 guys wearing colored spacesuits. Green, red and blue.
Dec 03 12:28:24 beejay	damnit... I have cold feet :(
Dec 03 12:28:24 Spider	compnerd: Did you commit dbus 0.6 ?
Dec 03 12:28:27 araujo	beejay, don't you remenber that one?
Dec 03 12:28:33 Spider	compnerd: If so, I'm afraid I'll have to kill you soon.
Dec 03 12:28:38 compnerd	Spider: yes (in p.mask)
Dec 03 12:28:45 beejay	araujo: not really
Dec 03 12:28:57 jkt|	Halcy0n: okay :-)
Dec 03 12:28:58 beejay	araujo: could be "Saber Rider and the Star-Sheriffs"
Dec 03 12:29:04 araujo	beejay, it was cool.... i was < 6 though
Dec 03 12:29:12 beejay	araujo: their spaceship could also transform to a huge mech.
Dec 03 12:29:27 compnerd	Spider: with a warning that it may not work, although theres 2 packages once others check, it should be fine, been using it for a couple of days without any issues
Dec 03 12:29:30 Spider	compnerd: well, you use a version-numbered USE flag ( qt3 ) together with  not listing it in IUSE, together with having use_enable qt qt3 .....
Dec 03 12:29:35 beejay	or even "Power Rangers"....
Dec 03 12:29:37 araujo	beejay, no, taht isn't, i also watched that one.
Dec 03 12:29:43 Spider	compnerd: Add on top of that that it doesn't even build with qt support enabled....
Dec 03 12:29:45 araujo	mm....
Dec 03 12:30:26 Spider	compnerd: I don't care about the fact that its ABI incompatible,   I was going to take a hack at making stuff work with it, the thing that bugs me is that the ebuild is so fessed up that it doesn't even build ;p
Dec 03 12:30:40 araujo	beejay, it was very similar to them, but it is older i think.
Dec 03 12:31:00 araujo	Oh, and Ultraman rocks!
Dec 03 12:31:00 compnerd	Spider: hmm...I used a versioned qt? grr ... fixing that atleast (didnt realize I did that, sorry)
Dec 03 12:31:15 compnerd	Spider: btw, the 2 packages that need patches are in the gentopia overlay
Dec 03 12:31:36 Spider	 In file included from ../qt3/connection.cpp:168:
Dec 03 12:31:37 Spider	../qt3/connection.moc:12:2: #error "The header file 'connection.h' doesn't include <QObject>."
Dec 03 12:31:37 Spider	In file included from ../qt3/connection.cpp:168:
Dec 03 12:31:37 Spider	../qt3/connection.moc:47: error: `const QMetaObject DBusQt::Connection::staticMetaObject' is not a static member of  `class DBusQt::Connection'
Dec 03 12:31:37 Spider	../qt3/connection.moc:47: error: variable `const QMetaObject DBusQt::Connection::staticMetaObject' has initializer but incomplete type
Dec 03 12:31:37 compnerd	Spider: xchat and avahi
Dec 03 12:31:46 Spider	....  qt support doesn't seem to build at all : /
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Dec 03 12:31:55 Halcy0n	jkt|: looking at the logic in toolchain.eclass, it makes no sense that its doing what you are saying though.
Dec 03 12:32:11 Spider	compnerd: they broke ABI as well as API, right?
Dec 03 12:32:18 Halcy0n	jkt|: should_we_gcc_config() is the function I'm looking at.
Dec 03 12:32:20 compnerd	Spider: yah, that they did
Dec 03 12:32:30 compnerd	Spider: can we take this to pm?
Dec 03 12:32:32 Spider	okay, so a harsh rebuild of things to go. : )
Dec 03 12:32:34 Spider	Sure :)
Dec 03 12:32:46 Spider	compnerd: btw,  I scripted up a solution for the howl issue wrt. Gnome
Dec 03 12:33:04 compnerd	Spider: oh? Id like to see that
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Dec 03 12:34:32 jkt|	freenode--
Dec 03 12:34:39 jkt|	Halcy0n: anything important after 19:32 <@Halcy0n> jkt|: should_we_gcc_config() is the function I'm looking at.
Dec 03 12:34:42 jkt|	?
Dec 03 12:34:46 Halcy0n	No.
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Dec 03 12:37:21 jkt|	Halcy0n: well, do_gcc_config runs here
Dec 03 12:37:30 jkt|	Halcy0n: at least that's what I think is happening
Dec 03 12:39:45 grahl04	beejay: queen of the 1000 years/ queen millenia was about 40 episodes
Dec 03 12:40:52 jkt|	do I have to update some cache or something like that after manually editting an eclass?
Dec 03 12:42:38 brix	jkt|: nope
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Dec 03 12:44:50 LabMonkey	!seen pyon
Dec 03 12:44:51 GenBot	I've never seen a 'pyon', sorry.
Dec 03 12:44:51 glbt	LabMonkey, I don't remember seeing pyon.
Dec 03 12:44:53 LabMonkey	!seen pylon
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Dec 03 12:47:13 beejay	grahl04: I only remember it hadn't have as many episodes as other "small-japanese-girls-with-huge-hooters"-series have
Dec 03 12:48:48 grahl04	beejay: i just liked the apocalyptical story, even though the boy was annoying in retrospect. ah, fileserver confirmes it - 41 episodes
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Dec 03 12:57:00 jkt|	Halcy0n: okay, I've added some einfo calls to toolchain eclass
Dec 03 12:57:22 jkt|	Halcy0n: only the last part of do_gcc_config() is relevant
Dec 03 12:57:40 jkt|	Halcy0n: I mean the "else" block of "if has_version 'app-admin/eselect-compiler' ; then" check
Dec 03 12:57:56 jkt|	Halcy0n: current_gcc_config=i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4
Dec 03 12:58:07 jkt|	Halcy0n: current_specs=
Dec 03 12:58:14 jkt|	Halcy0n: use_specs=
Dec 03 12:58:22 jkt|	Halcy0n: calling gcc-config i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6
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Dec 03 13:00:35 jkt|	Halcy0n: hmm, it seems that line "local current_specs=$(gcc-config -S ${current_gcc_config} | awk '{print $3}')" should end with "awk '{print $2}'"
Dec 03 13:00:43 jkt|	Halcy0n: if we're supposed to get that 3.4.4
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Dec 03 13:08:09 Halcy0n	jkt|: could you stick what you've found on the bug.  I know its atleast worked as expected on my systems.
Dec 03 13:08:28 jkt|	Halcy0n: do you use eselect?
Dec 03 13:08:31 Halcy0n	No.
Dec 03 13:08:35 jkt|	weird
Dec 03 13:08:39 Halcy0n	Its not stable anyway, so it wouldn't matter.
Dec 03 13:09:01 jkt|	and what does `gcc-config -S i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4` do for you?
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Dec 03 13:10:08 solar	* /usr/bin/gcc-config: Invalid switch!  Run /usr/bin/gcc-config without parameters for help.
Dec 03 13:10:09 Halcy0n	jkt|: splits the profile into its parts, why?
Dec 03 13:10:23 solar	there is no -S switch
Dec 03 13:10:31 Halcy0n	solar: there is for me.
Dec 03 13:10:46 solar	not here. It must be newish
Dec 03 13:10:54 Halcy0n	solar: what version of gcc-config?
Dec 03 13:11:03 jakub	eek... maybe gcc should depend on some newer gcc-config version?!
Dec 03 13:11:12 solar	1.3.10-r1 (I need to update)
Dec 03 13:11:27 Halcy0n	jakub: there is only one version that isn't hard masked.
Dec 03 13:11:42 jkt|	jakub: seems so
Dec 03 13:11:47 jakub	Halcy0n: yeah, but that does not force upgrade
Dec 03 13:11:53 johnm	Halcy0n: depends would still be a good idea.
Dec 03 13:11:56 jkt|	FYI, the -S is used by eclass, not by gcc ebuild
Dec 03 13:12:13 solar	thats thats dumb
Dec 03 13:12:16 Halcy0n	Yea, I'm just saying, we only have one :)
Dec 03 13:12:29 johnm	solar: 'lo btw ;)
Dec 03 13:12:32 jkt|	gcc-config-1.3.12-r4 here
Dec 03 13:12:49 solar	btw? I've not seen you speak yet. But good morn johnm
Dec 03 13:13:17 Halcy0n	I guess all of those ebuilds need to be bumped to dep on the new version of gcc-config.
Dec 03 13:13:22 brix	a johnm!
Dec 03 13:13:26 brix	he's back :)
Dec 03 13:13:30 Halcy0n	jkt|: it broke with the newest version for you?
Dec 03 13:13:34 brix	johnm: had a nice trip?
Dec 03 13:13:35 johnm	solar: have a few times, and felt obliged to make you aware.. had a highlight from you while I was gone.
Dec 03 13:13:51 johnm	brix: Stressful, but equally lots of fun and lots of progress :D
Dec 03 13:13:51 solar	how long where you gone?
Dec 03 13:14:00 brix	solar: years!
Dec 03 13:14:02 johnm	brix: thanks for asking!
Dec 03 13:14:08 johnm	solar: 8 days.
Dec 03 13:14:08 jkt|	Halcy0n: I have gcc-config-1.3.12-r4 and it tries to select newly emerged gcc version
Dec 03 13:14:21 jkt|	Halcy0n: if that means "break", then yeah :-)
Dec 03 13:14:24 solar	ahh welcome back then
Dec 03 13:14:35 johnm	brix: actually got somewhere to live now when I move!
Dec 03 13:14:36 Halcy0n	jkt|: strange.  I don't know what to say since it worked on my boxes as expected.
Dec 03 13:14:39 brix	johnm: I trust you had time for a pint now and then
Dec 03 13:14:52 brix	johnm: heh, that's nice
Dec 03 13:14:54 brix	where?
Dec 03 13:14:59 jkt|	Halcy0n: ask amne if you want to know how many users are affected :-)
Dec 03 13:15:10 johnm	brix: hah.. s/a/many/ - I wouldn't move anywhere without sampling the ale first ;)
Dec 03 13:15:39 jkt|	Halcy0n: so, if I understand that correctly, it affects only boxes which are up-to-date
Dec 03 13:15:50 brix	englishmen to the bone, eh?
Dec 03 13:15:56 Chainsaw	!herd amd64
Dec 03 13:15:56 jeeves	Chainsaw: (amd64) absinthe, aliz, anarchy, astinus, augustus, avenj, azerah, blubb, config, cryos, dang, eradicator, flameeyes, gerrynjr, herbs, hparker, humpback, jhuebel, kingtaco, kugelfang, luckyduck, lv, malc, metalgod, morfic, nichoj, r3pek, sekretarz, slarti, superlag, tester, trapni, voxus
Dec 03 13:15:59 johnm	brix: Huntington Road, York. it's pretty central and has enough parking, which is cool. It's only for 6-12 months until I find a place to buy.
Dec 03 13:16:00 Halcy0n	jkt|: well, none of them should break.
Dec 03 13:16:06 johnm	brix: exactly ;)
Dec 03 13:16:11 Chainsaw	Does blackdown-jdk/jre actually work for anyone on amd64?
Dec 03 13:16:18 jkt|	Halcy0n: and toolchain.eclass requires some functionality which is present only in recent gcc-config
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Dec 03 13:16:25 brix	johnm: congrats on finding a place
Dec 03 13:16:27 Chainsaw	Any visit to a java-enabled website crashes my "Deer Park".
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Dec 03 13:16:48 jakub	Chainsaw: that's because you're missing the branding ;p
Dec 03 13:16:49 johnm	brix: thanks. big relief. I think Claire has found a job as well! so it's all good.
Dec 03 13:17:05 johnm	brix: you had a good week?
Dec 03 13:17:08 brix	sure does sound like it
Dec 03 13:17:12 Chainsaw	jakub: It failed on FireFox as well.
Dec 03 13:17:20 brix	johnm: yeah, but stressed
Dec 03 13:17:44 brix	johnm: got a few papers I need to hand in before friday
Dec 03 13:17:59 brix	but it's my own fault
Dec 03 13:18:00 johnm	brix: eep. Lots to do then?
Dec 03 13:18:04 brix	yes
Dec 03 13:18:12 johnm	brix: Im the same :)
Dec 03 13:18:33 brix	and now - dinner
Dec 03 13:18:39 brix	afk
Dec 03 13:18:42 Halcy0n	jkt|: that was just added in the last 15 hours by vapier.
Dec 03 13:18:43 johnm	brix: cya later.
Dec 03 13:18:49 brix	cya
Dec 03 13:18:56 Halcy0n	jkt|: so, what I said stands, it did work for me.  It broke afterwards :)
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Dec 03 13:19:33 Anarchy	Chainsaw, blackdown-jdk works fine here
Dec 03 13:19:40 jkt|	Halcy0n: so the guilty one is new gcc-config and toolchain.eclass, right?
Dec 03 13:19:48 Halcy0n	jkt|: it would seem that way.
Dec 03 13:20:20 jkt|	Halcy0n: okay, I'd suggest fixing that eclass to do '{print $2}'
Dec 03 13:20:25 jkt|	I haven't tested, though
Dec 03 13:20:38 Halcy0n	jkt|: well, we also need to add the depend into the eclass.
Dec 03 13:21:28 *	jkt| is not an ebuild dev
Dec 03 13:23:53 jkt|	Halcy0n: hmm, it is still switching the compiler :-(
Dec 03 13:24:07 Halcy0n	Which awk call did you change?
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Dec 03 13:26:19 jkt|	Halcy0n: patch at http://pastebin.com/447502 , results on http://pastebin.com/447500
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Dec 03 13:27:19 Halcy0n	jkt|: well, the patch is wrong.
Dec 03 13:27:32 Halcy0n	jkt|: its looking for the specs, not the version.
Dec 03 13:28:31 SpanKY	pwnt
Dec 03 13:28:56 jkt|	Halcy0n: sorry, I don't understand
Dec 03 13:29:21 Halcy0n	jkt|: the specs part, hardened, nossppie, etc.
Dec 03 13:29:35 Halcy0n	SpanKY: something is screwed up with it though, its switching people to 3.4.4.
Dec 03 13:29:59 Halcy0n	SpanKY: also, -S is only present in newer versions of gcc-config, so that DEP has to be updated somewhere to force the upgrade first.
Dec 03 13:30:05 jkt|	ah, I think I found it
Dec 03 13:30:10 SpanKY	it's the only version of gcc-config in portage
Dec 03 13:30:11 jkt|	it is checking for /etc/env.d/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6-3.3.6
Dec 03 13:30:15 jkt|	er, no
Dec 03 13:30:38 Halcy0n	SpanKY: yea, but if they had an old version and just do: emerge --oneshot gcc, it won't pull in the new one (I don't think)
Dec 03 13:32:06 Halcy0n	jkt|: revert it back to what it was, and let me see what happens at the end.
Dec 03 13:32:06 solar	this would break starting from stages unles gcc-config is merged before gcc
Dec 03 13:34:18 jkt|	Halcy0n: well, patch http://pastebin.com/447513 (adding only debug messages) results in http://pastebin.com/447512
Dec 03 13:35:08 Halcy0n	jkt|: and this is when merging 3.4.4?
Dec 03 13:35:36 jkt|	Halcy0n: nope, it's when I have 3.4.4-r1 installed and doing `emerge -K =gcc-3.3.6`
Dec 03 13:35:43 steev	ummm, stupid question, how do i see what irqs are in use?
Dec 03 13:35:50 Halcy0n	SpanKY: ^^ any ideas?
Dec 03 13:36:02 Chainsaw	steev: cat /proc/interrupts
Dec 03 13:36:16 steev	ahhh
Dec 03 13:36:29 steev	pcmcia is stopping my sound from working
Dec 03 13:36:55 jkt|	Halcy0n: older gcc gets recompiled as a dep of 3.4.4 if libstdc++-v3 is not installed, that's why I moved `emerge -1 libstdc++-v3` before `emerge -e system` in your guide
Dec 03 13:37:25 steev	or not, hmm
Dec 03 13:38:01 Halcy0n	jkt|: I was leaving the old version incase of a meltdown and everything broke :)
Dec 03 13:38:18 jakub	hmmm... this gcc-config downgrade is even worse than upgrade :X
Dec 03 13:39:00 Halcy0n	Something is screwed up, but it used to work is all I know :)
Dec 03 13:39:13 SpanKY	i'll look in a min
Dec 03 13:39:21 jkt|	Halcy0n: yeah, that's right, but if you add libstdc++-v3 before -e system, libstdc will satisfy gcc-3.4.4's dep
Dec 03 13:39:59 Halcy0n	SpanKY: thanks.
Dec 03 13:40:06 jakub	Halcy0n: it worked correctly for you? with another gcc-config version, or with this one?
Dec 03 13:40:23 Halcy0n	jakub: with the current one.  SpanKY only changed the eclass in the last 15 hours.
Dec 03 13:40:30 Halcy0n	I'm guessing that screwed something up.
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Dec 03 13:41:01 jakub	hmmm... well, it's broken here as well
Dec 03 13:41:12 Anarchy	SpanKY, I have figured out your issue just have to decide what I am gonna do to rectify(sp) the situation
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Dec 03 13:41:16 GenBot	'rectify' seems to be the correct spelling.
Dec 03 13:41:35 Halcy0n	jakub: I know it worked for me during all of my testing like I said it should in the guide.  So I'm assuming the recent change screwed it up.
Dec 03 13:41:55 jkt|	probably
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Dec 03 13:42:15 jakub	jkt|: can you try w/ previous eclass version?
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Dec 03 13:43:27 jkt|	jakub: yeah, gimme a sec...
Dec 03 13:44:16 jakub	http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/eclass/toolchain.eclass?r1=1.223&r2=1.224
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Dec 03 13:45:15 jkt|	yeah, http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/eclass/toolchain.eclass?rev=1.223
Dec 03 13:48:45 jkt|	jakub, Halcy0n: results with previous toolchain - http://pastebin.com/447525
Dec 03 13:49:04 jkt|	compiler remains as 3.4.4
Dec 03 13:49:15 Halcy0n	jkt|: so, it works as I described?
Dec 03 13:49:43 jkt|	Halcy0n: with previous toolchain.eclass? yep
Dec 03 13:49:57 Halcy0n	jkt|: okay, that's all I needed to hear.
Dec 03 13:50:01 Halcy0n	SpanKY: fix it :P
Dec 03 13:50:27 jakub	ok, works here as well
Dec 03 13:51:12 jakub	also w/ emerge -K =gcc-3.3.6 it does not force downgrade
Dec 03 13:51:29 ReJ	Anyone having trouble with GCC 3.4.4-r1 and qcad?
Dec 03 13:52:18 ReJ	That would be sci-misc/qcad-2.0.4.0-r1 .
Dec 03 13:52:25 johnm	!herd net-fs
Dec 03 13:52:26 jkt|	Halcy0n++, let's call it outsourcing :-)
Dec 03 13:52:26 jeeves	johnm: (net-fs) griffon26, latexer, vapier
Dec 03 13:52:38 Halcy0n	ReJ: got an error?
Dec 03 13:52:44 johnm	net-fs: ping
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Dec 03 13:53:10 ReJ	Halcy0n: Serious stuff. :)
Dec 03 13:54:13 ReJ	Halcy0n: I'll try -r2 before I start making trouble on bugs.g.o.
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Dec 03 13:59:10 Chainsaw	Right, so how does one ungrab the mouse after an SDL-based game crashed?
Dec 03 14:02:45 Chainsaw	By launching the same game again, then quitting it. Okay.
Dec 03 14:03:06 Halcy0n	ReJ: if the stable version doesn't compile, its a problem :)
Dec 03 14:03:29 ReJ	Halcy0n: Want to see a full report?
Dec 03 14:03:34 Halcy0n	ReJ: please.
Dec 03 14:04:08 ReJ	Halcy0n: ok
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Dec 03 14:11:40 ReJ	Halcy0n: bug 114380
Dec 03 14:11:42 GenBot	ReJ: Bug 114380; "sci-misc/qcad-2.0.4.0-r1 fails to build with sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4-r1"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW}; Jeroen Roovers->GCC Porting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114380
Dec 03 14:11:47 SpanKY	johnm: be more specific as to what package you want
Dec 03 14:12:48 Halcy0n	ReJ: well, that's interesting.  Its failing to link to libstdc++.
Dec 03 14:13:01 ReJ	Odd.
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Dec 03 14:14:53 ReJ	Halcy0n: No "file not found", though.
Dec 03 14:15:18 Halcy0n	ReJ: no idea.  lares ran into this too.
Dec 03 14:15:25 ReJ	ok
Dec 03 14:16:19 ReJ	It does have its own awkward build system, it seems.
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Dec 03 14:22:10 rphillips	rocket: ping
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Dec 03 14:31:00 axxo	spyderous: just use 'java'
Dec 03 14:33:35 rphillips	rocket: heading out, sent you an email
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Dec 03 14:58:10 beejay	uhmmm
Dec 03 14:58:19 beejay	They made an Aeon-Flux movie!?
Dec 03 14:58:21 beejay	Cool
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Dec 03 15:02:47 kito	beejay ya, I saw it last night. I liked it, everyone else hated it...
Dec 03 15:02:56 kito	but I didn't have very high expectations
Dec 03 15:03:01 beejay	I just looked at the stills-photos
Dec 03 15:03:03 kito	it was just eye candy
Dec 03 15:03:19 beejay	in the cartoon, aeon was much more sexy than Theron looks
Dec 03 15:03:33 kito	yeah, thinner and bigger boobs
Dec 03 15:03:41 kito	but I think she did a good job
Dec 03 15:03:42 beejay	You say it...
Dec 03 15:04:43 grobian	eh boobs? where?
Dec 03 15:05:07 beejay	grobian: in "Aeon Flux"
Dec 03 15:05:15 grobian	wth is that?
Dec 03 15:05:27 beejay	a movie and Cartoon-series.
Dec 03 15:05:29 grobian	ok
Dec 03 15:05:34 grobian	got the homepage
Dec 03 15:05:46 grobian	hey is that trinity?
Dec 03 15:06:06 kito	pfff
Dec 03 15:06:11 beejay	Aeon Flux was in tv 15 years before Trinity :P
Dec 03 15:06:12 kito	totally predates the matrix
Dec 03 15:06:15 kito	ya
Dec 03 15:06:57 beejay	and it included a lot more Sex!1111
Dec 03 15:07:23 grobian	hmmm. looks like atlantis
Dec 03 15:08:11 beejay	silly dutch...
Dec 03 15:08:12 beejay	:P
Dec 03 15:08:18 grobian	heh
Dec 03 15:08:35 grobian	and a bit like Xena
Dec 03 15:10:04 lu_zero	solar ping
Dec 03 15:10:18 jforman	afternoon
Dec 03 15:10:23 jforman	kito: so is there rioting in austin yet?
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Dec 03 15:22:09 kito	jforman hehe, no...its just very very quiet and everyone looks depressed.
Dec 03 15:23:20 jforman	kito: depressed?
Dec 03 15:23:45 jforman	the longhorns are up 70-3 in the conference championship ;)
Dec 03 15:23:53 beejay	did the Kansasians finally annex Texas or what?
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Dec 03 15:24:32 lu_zero	solar 2s gain on make test =)
Dec 03 15:24:55 grobian	omg! perl just compiled?!?
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Dec 03 15:26:19 beejay	btw. which US-State has the ID "RI"?
Dec 03 15:26:21 jforman	hey rajiv|work
Dec 03 15:26:26 jforman	beejay: rhode island
Dec 03 15:26:27 kito	beejay Rhode Island
Dec 03 15:26:30 beejay	ah
Dec 03 15:26:32 jforman	just south of massachusetts
Dec 03 15:26:32 kito	its barely a state
Dec 03 15:26:40 kito	its a providence
Dec 03 15:26:49 beejay	I know all us state IDs
Dec 03 15:26:56 beejay	but RI was a secret for me
Dec 03 15:26:58 kito	you wint eh dorrprize!
Dec 03 15:27:25 jforman	beejay: RI is a blip on the highway between boston and connecticut
Dec 03 15:27:43 beejay	I know Lovecraft originated from RI
Dec 03 15:27:47 beejay	but that's all
Dec 03 15:29:14 beejay	lcars: please ping me when you're around, thanks.
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Dec 03 15:38:34 spyderous	axxo: tried that, didn't work
Dec 03 15:39:22 spyderous	axxo: even decompiled the class file to try and figure out what the problem is, but i can't figure it out since i don't know java =P
Dec 03 15:40:44 beejay	aaah... spyderous.. the person who broke my main desktop machine
Dec 03 15:40:58 spyderous	oh yeah? what'd i do?
Dec 03 15:41:05 spyderous	and if it's related to modular X, you have no excuse =P
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Dec 03 15:41:25 beejay	spyderous: nothing - you should know that I am a friend of nasty jokes.
Dec 03 15:41:46 spyderous	axxo: get those 2 lines?
Dec 03 15:41:49 axxo	spyderous: yeah
Dec 03 15:42:22 Anarchy	if we use an eclass that has a USE flag that is not avaliable for a package how do we disable the useflag in the ebuild so repoman is happy?
Dec 03 15:42:31 spyderous	you don't
Dec 03 15:42:50 spyderous	either repoman's unhappy, you create the flag, you fix the eclass, or you use a different eclass
Dec 03 15:42:52 axxo	spyderous: added it on my todo, i'll try and fix it up
Dec 03 15:43:27 spyderous	axxo: ok, to be sure we're on the same page here, what exactly are you fixing
Dec 03 15:43:46 jkt|	SpanKY: pong
Dec 03 15:44:24 axxo	spyderous: have it work with both sun/black ?
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Dec 03 15:44:50 spyderous	axxo: i can't get tinker working at all w/ blackdown, let alone trying sun.
Dec 03 15:45:01 axxo	spyderous: that too then
Dec 03 15:45:08 spyderous	axxo: also do you do java-config?
Dec 03 15:45:36 axxo	spyderous: yeah, that should be fixed with the new java-config that might one day make it into the tree (part of bigger changes)
Dec 03 15:45:56 spyderous	axxo: wow, you must be reading every word i say, everywhere. that's kinda scary.
Dec 03 15:46:12 axxo	i was just reading gentoo-commits :)
Dec 03 15:47:43 spyderous	axxo: it would be really incredible if you could somehow get that ffe jar working.
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Dec 03 15:48:20 spyderous	axxo: tinker includes its own script at tinker/jar/linux/ffe. and i'm not sure whether i'm linking the right libjvm.
Dec 03 15:49:36 axxo	merging fortran :)
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Dec 03 16:07:12 SpanKY	jkt|: fixed in cvs
Dec 03 16:07:57 jkt|	SpanKY: great
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Dec 03 16:12:03 amne	haven't really followed the discussion, what was the problem?
Dec 03 16:17:35 beejay	Fly me to the moon, lemme play among the stars
Dec 03 16:17:45 beejay	let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars
Dec 03 16:17:47 beejay	*sing
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Dec 03 16:18:36 kito	you were right the first time :p
Dec 03 16:23:48 johnm	SpanKY: bit late but... shfs
Dec 03 16:25:53 kito	ok, `emerge info` works now
Dec 03 16:25:56 kito	err
Dec 03 16:34:15 spb	i take it gentoo/osx is starting to work at last then
Dec 03 16:34:18 spb	impressive
Dec 03 16:34:52 spyderous	i even added macos code to an ebuild i just committed.
Dec 03 16:35:00 grobian	uh oh
Dec 03 16:35:13 spyderous	it probably doesn't work, and isn't even keyworded, but it at least gives an idea.
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Dec 03 16:35:21 kito	spyderous I saw torrey got active last week on the darwin modular xorg stuff
Dec 03 16:35:35 spyderous	kito: really? haven't seen much action on this side.
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Dec 03 16:35:43 kito	yeah, he assigned a few bugs to himself
Dec 03 16:35:49 kito	working on the GLX stuff
Dec 03 16:35:55 kito	which is the last major blocker AFAIK
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Dec 03 16:52:04 brix	where does portage keep its list of ebuilds currently merging?
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Dec 03 16:57:19 SpanKY	johnm: k, shfs not me :p
Dec 03 16:57:22 SpanKY	i hate that pkg
Dec 03 16:57:30 SpanKY	Anarchy: latest sync and firefox emerged
Dec 03 16:57:47 Anarchy	SpanKY, did you have expect emerged?
Dec 03 16:58:18 SpanKY	dev-tcltk/expect-5.43.0
Dec 03 16:58:54 Anarchy	and for all you thunderbird users enigmail ebuild will be ready for 1.5 I just have to work out mozconfig-2 eclass moving core parts to mozcoreconf  or something of that nature.
Dec 03 16:59:21 Anarchy	SpanKY, found some issues with expect but does not make sence that it tries to link against system libs :/
Dec 03 16:59:50 SpanKY	cp: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/mozilla-firefox-1.5/image//usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/chrome/installed-chrome.txt': No such file or directory
Dec 03 16:59:52 SpanKY	dodoc: LEGAL does not exist
Dec 03 17:00:00 SpanKY	QA Notice: the following files contain executable stacks
Dec 03 17:00:04 SpanKY	RWX --- --- usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/libsoftokn3.so
Dec 03 17:00:09 SpanKY	other than that, it emerged fine :p
Dec 03 17:00:31 Anarchy	SpanKY, most of your cp error is from old 1.0.x version as mozilla register has changed
Dec 03 17:00:53 Anarchy	the executable stack I am working on with upstream they were not even aware of it
Dec 03 17:00:53 SpanKY	i dont know what you mean
Dec 03 17:01:08 SpanKY	i just `emerge mozilla-firefox -u` ;p
Dec 03 17:01:15 Anarchy	SpanKY, you had 1.0.x emerged before the update right?
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Dec 03 17:02:02 SpanKY	yes
Dec 03 17:03:00 Anarchy	when it uninstalls it makes a call to mozilla-launcher to unregister it but fails because of regchrome not being a part of  1.5
Dec 03 17:03:53 Anarchy	either way it is safe to ignore it nothing crucial agriffis_  is most likely gonna be looking at new register and fix mozilla-launcher before long
Dec 03 17:03:54 SpanKY	so if i re-emerge, i shouldnt see either of those
Dec 03 17:04:03 Anarchy	you will not see either is correct
Dec 03 17:04:11 SpanKY	we'll just see about that !
Dec 03 17:04:17 SpanKY	how did you find out about the executable stack ?
Dec 03 17:04:29 Anarchy	bug report is opened on it Betelgeuse found it
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Dec 03 17:06:11 SpanKY	... because pax-utils located it
Dec 03 17:06:16 SpanKY	which is all i wanted to hear ;)
Dec 03 17:07:49 Anarchy	I masked pax-utils is only good on harden unless I have read something wrong
Dec 03 17:08:08 SpanKY	you did
Dec 03 17:08:11 spb	you read something wrong
Dec 03 17:08:11 SpanKY	cause you're a tool
Dec 03 17:08:20 spb	everyone should have it merged
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Dec 03 17:08:55 Anarchy	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318797
Dec 03 17:09:05 SpanKY	yep, i found it, thanks
Dec 03 17:10:07 SpanKY	oh well, 1.5 is now installed, i'm happy :p
Dec 03 17:10:19 spb	didn't merge here
Dec 03 17:10:23 spb	perl segfaults, the pos that it is
Dec 03 17:10:46 Anarchy	SpanKY, got a link to someting I can re-read on pax-utils
Dec 03 17:10:59 Betelgeuse	Anarchy: Check the mozilla bug.
Dec 03 17:11:07 spb	Anarchy: install it and set FEATURES=stricter
Dec 03 17:11:19 Anarchy	spb, thanks will do
Dec 03 17:11:33 spb	it checks all the binaries before installing them
Dec 03 17:11:37 solar	http://hardened.gentoo.org/pax-utils.xml
Dec 03 17:11:39 spb	and aborts if they're crappy
Dec 03 17:12:54 Anarchy	Betelgeuse, what about it?
Dec 03 17:13:26 spb	pax-utils found the textrels and exec stakcs
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Dec 03 17:13:33 spb	stacks, that would be
Dec 03 17:14:05 SpanKY	Anarchy: i just re-emerged 1.5 and i got the same errors i mentioned above
Dec 03 17:14:09 Betelgeuse	Anarchy: Has links to how to go and fix those things.
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Dec 03 17:16:52 Anarchy	SpanKY, I am re-emerging it right now as well
Dec 03 17:17:26 Anarchy	Betelgeuse, will work on it tomorrow my grandfather is coming in from New York in about an hour :)
Dec 03 17:17:58 Betelgeuse	Anarchy: Well from what I gathered the broken lib is not open source.
Dec 03 17:18:07 Betelgeuse	Anarchy: Well at least it is external stuff.
Dec 03 17:18:34 Betelgeuse	But I am off to bed.
Dec 03 17:18:39 Anarchy	Betelgeuse, night
Dec 03 17:18:41 SpanKY	yeah, it's common to have that crap in binary-only libs
Dec 03 17:18:46 SpanKY	winex is full of em :(
Dec 03 17:19:04 solar	yeah it looks that way by it's lack of a PT_GNU_STACK PT_GNU_RELRO markings
Dec 03 17:19:17 Betelgeuse	SpanKY: Almost every binary ebuild I have tried so far has failed under stricter.
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Dec 03 17:19:46 SpanKY	yeah, i think i need to add support for RESTRICT=stricter for binary-only builds
Dec 03 17:19:51 spb	which is why i tend to say that binary ebuilds are evil
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Dec 03 17:19:59 spb	SpanKY: and to paxtest
Dec 03 17:20:20 Betelgeuse	spb: Yes but still waiting on FOSS java to catch up...
Dec 03 17:20:29 spb	just don't use java
Dec 03 17:20:33 spb	problem solved
Dec 03 17:20:45 SpanKY	i could go for opensource flash
Dec 03 17:21:07 Betelgeuse	spb: Why not work on something that defenitely needs work in the FOSS world?
Dec 03 17:21:14 spb	i could go for flash that doesn't need executable stacks
Dec 03 17:21:22 spb	Betelgeuse: because i don't care about java
Dec 03 17:21:34 spb	it's a nasty language at the best of times
Dec 03 17:21:35 Anarchy	SpanKY, alot of development is underway on gplflash2
Dec 03 17:21:48 SpanKY	Betelgeuse: better to sleep than argue with spb
Dec 03 17:21:57 Betelgeuse	spb: You don't and don't have to but many people do.
Dec 03 17:22:12 spb	and i could do more good by working on things i actually care about
Dec 03 17:23:43 Betelgeuse	SpanKY: maybe, if you have the time at some point, take a look at the sandboxshell bugs because it is impossible to run for example less with the current config.
Dec 03 17:24:12 beejay	np: Emmerson, Lake & Palmer - Lucky Man
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Dec 03 17:31:39 solar	lu_zero: Re; <lu_zero> solar 2s gain on make test ; thats great news.
Dec 03 17:32:00 lu_zero	solar please try it too
Dec 03 17:33:35 solar	which one is current. I see several updates here
Dec 03 17:33:58 lu_zero	my last
Dec 03 17:34:03 rajiv	nakano: ping
Dec 03 17:34:07 rajiv	!seen nakano
Dec 03 17:34:09 GenBot	nakano was last seen 3 weeks, 2 hours, 27 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying 'grobian: it's working on my overlay..  i'll file it to the bugzilla. ' in #gentoo-osx.
Dec 03 17:34:09 glbt	rajiv, nakano is right here!
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Dec 03 17:34:22 lu_zero	I'm pushing on ffmpeg now
Dec 03 17:34:26 rajiv	!away nakano
Dec 03 17:34:27 jeeves	nakano -> did not edit his/her devaway and or I'm malfunctioning.
Dec 03 17:34:49 solar	lu_zero: to the tree? so I can wait a few mins then cvs up
Dec 03 17:35:02 lu_zero	solar to the ml
Dec 03 17:35:11 rajiv	!seen anti
Dec 03 17:35:12 glbt	rajiv, anti is right here!
Dec 03 17:35:13 solar	which ml?
Dec 03 17:35:18 GenBot	anti was last seen 3 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes ago, saying 'seemant: yeah' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 03 17:35:25 lu_zero	[e-mail]
Dec 03 17:35:27 rajiv	!herd postgresql
Dec 03 17:35:29 jeeves	rajiv: (postgresql) anti, matsuu, nakano
Dec 03 17:35:32 rajiv	ping ^^
Dec 03 17:35:43 rajiv	!seen matsuu
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Dec 03 17:35:51 solar	!google ffmpeg-devel mplayerhq.hu archive
Dec 03 17:35:52 jeeves	http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/projects.html
Dec 03 17:35:59 nakano	rajiv: pong
Dec 03 17:36:31 rajiv	hi nakano are you working on mod_auth_pgsql ?
Dec 03 17:37:17 nakano	rajiv: yep. but web-apps team mainly maintain it now.
Dec 03 17:37:40 rajiv	mod_auth_pgsql-2.0.2-r2.ebuild needs to be marked stable now that the new apache layout is stable
Dec 03 17:38:00 rajiv	no bugs filed for it
Dec 03 17:38:47 nakano	ok. i'll have a look.
Dec 03 17:38:55 rajiv	nakano: i can mark it on x86 at least if you want
Dec 03 17:39:24 lu_zero	!seen J4rg0n
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Dec 03 17:40:16 nakano	rajiv: ok. i'll test it in my environment again and unmask it, then ask you.
Dec 03 17:40:16 lu_zero	kito you around?
Dec 03 17:40:56 rajiv	nakano: mod_auth_pgsql-2.0.2-r2.ebuild is in slot 2 but i think it should be slot 0
Dec 03 17:41:44 nakano	it should work with mod_auth_pgsql-0.9*
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Dec 03 17:42:20 nakano	0.9* is for apache1 and  2.0.* is for apache2
Dec 03 17:42:43 rajiv	oh. then the 2.0.2-r1 ebuild shoudl have been in slot 2
Dec 03 17:43:44 solar	lu_zero: can you post your overlay for it please
Dec 03 17:45:24 SpanKY	err, wtf, firefox 1.5 lost my personal prefernces ?
Dec 03 17:45:58 SpanKY	hmm, nm, looks like just the first load is retarded
Dec 03 17:47:02 rajiv	nakano: maybe not. either way i think -r2 should be stable on x86 at least. only place i could test it
Dec 03 17:47:55 Anarchy	SpanKY, it tries to do to much chit on first load to get everything right.
Dec 03 17:49:09 SpanKY	fonts are funky though
Dec 03 17:49:13 SpanKY	oh well
Dec 03 17:49:19 rajiv	nakano: you wnat a bug for this?
Dec 03 17:49:22 Anarchy	SpanKY, edit them under advance configuration
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Dec 03 17:50:06 nakano	rajiv, it's in package.mask? i though so, but it's not there.
Dec 03 17:50:18 rajiv	no it's just ~x86 and needs to be x86
Dec 03 17:50:54 SpanKY	i know, it just seems like everytime i update firefox i have to tweak the fonts :p
Dec 03 17:51:07 nakano	rajiv: ah, ok. so, you can change it to x86 now since I've used it for long time.
Dec 03 17:51:17 rajiv	k
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Dec 03 17:53:32 lu_zero	solar just a moment
Dec 03 17:53:42 lu_zero	I simply used the cvs
Dec 03 17:53:57 lu_zero	you may just add the patch to the current source
Dec 03 17:54:04 lu_zero	(in the current ebuild)
Dec 03 17:56:01 Anarchy	SpanKY, I do not get the executable stack with gcc-4.0.2
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Dec 03 18:02:27 Anarchy	err strike that SpanKY  :/
Dec 03 18:04:18 rajiv	nakano: done. bug filed for other arch's to test
Dec 03 18:04:22 rajiv	nakano: thanks
Dec 03 18:05:16 beejay	hmmm...
Dec 03 18:05:27 beejay	anybody remembering "The 7th guest"?
Dec 03 18:05:36 beejay	I wonder if it is possible to emulate it in Dosemu
Dec 03 18:06:41 JoseJX	beejay: It probably works in dosbox
Dec 03 18:09:19 nerdboy	beejay: that one was cool, including the fatman's music
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Dec 03 18:10:40 beejay	nerdboy: ha!
Dec 03 18:10:42 lu_zero	solar any problem?
Dec 03 18:10:52 beejay	nerdboy: you're one of the few people who remember the band! :D
Dec 03 18:11:07 beejay	Let's taaakkeee some time... to find out what's inside....
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Dec 03 18:27:49 solar	which patch is the most recent? I really see alot of mails here from you guys with newer & newer updates. (sorry but I've got a tad bit of a lack of motivation right now)
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Dec 03 18:53:17 araujo	bash, you need to live under risk :-]
Dec 03 18:54:29 ciaranm	why isn't ip28 use.masked on x86?
Dec 03 18:55:07 spb	probably because it doesn't affect anything except the mips toolchain / kernel afaik, and you may well want it enabled for cross-compiling
Dec 03 18:55:17 spb	either that or someone forgot to mask it
Dec 03 18:55:28 ciaranm	if you're crosscompiling you should be using a mips profile anyway
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Dec 03 18:56:14 `Kumba	ip28 is needed for the ip28 cache barriers patch to gcc
Dec 03 18:56:32 ciaranm	`Kumba: on x86?
Dec 03 18:56:34 `Kumba	which if built on x86, will not get applied if its masked, making an x86->mips cross-compiler unfeasible
Dec 03 18:56:46 `Kumba	aye
Dec 03 18:56:56 ciaranm	which is why you're using a different profile when cross-compiling. right?
Dec 03 18:57:19 `Kumba	I'm using the standard x86 profile for 2.6, I just add ip28 to my USE flags
Dec 03 18:57:26 ciaranm	bad!
Dec 03 18:57:26 `Kumba	or pass it in an ebuild
Dec 03 18:57:29 spb	easier to write a wrapper script that sets all the vars you need for x-compile
Dec 03 18:57:36 spb	since it doesn't fuck up your host system
Dec 03 18:58:12 `Kumba	I've yet to see it hose my x86 system.  The flag only allows a single patch to apply, which itself is disabled unless -mip228-cache-barrier is passed
Dec 03 18:58:33 ciaranm	also, conditional patches are bad
Dec 03 18:58:41 `Kumba	in general cases
Dec 03 18:58:44 `Kumba	this is a specific case
Dec 03 18:59:39 `Kumba	this patch to gcc will never see itself upstream, so I've decided that conditional is proper due to the limited install base of IP28 systems, and to avoid the chance of polluting the system compilers of any system
Dec 03 19:00:02 ciaranm	ick.
Dec 03 19:01:03 `Kumba	it basically implements a workaround described in the R10000 processor manual, which itself was described as "horriffic" by the mips upstream gcc people (eric christopher, et al); although it's unknown if SGI ever implemented the same thing for MIPSPro
Dec 03 19:01:48 ciaranm	oh, is that the bug which means it needs to be given manual dcache flushes every 256 ops or something silly like that?
Dec 03 19:01:57 `Kumba	the gcc flag and USE may change....the same workaround for IP28 is applicable to the R10K/R12K O2 systems, once someone does the appropriate kernel-side coding
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Dec 03 19:02:27 `Kumba	nope, it's the speculative execution feature of R10000 causing havoc on systems with non-coherent I/O
Dec 03 19:02:41 `Kumba	which only includes IP28 and the R10+ versions of the O2
Dec 03 19:02:56 ciaranm	mmmm, fun
Dec 03 19:03:00 `Kumba	Origin and Octane are cache-coherent, thus never exhibit the flaw
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Dec 03 19:03:29 rajiv	can i expect  equery dep '<x11-libs/gtk+-2'  to work ? it finds nothing, yet i know i have nmap and others installed which depend on gtk+-1.2
Dec 03 19:03:49 spb	whereas IP28 and r10k IP32 are just generally fucked up, and so do exhibit the flaw
Dec 03 19:03:50 ciaranm	rajiv: nnnope
Dec 03 19:03:54 `Kumba	yup
Dec 03 19:04:20 ciaranm	*cough* paludis --query --depends-upon x11-libs/gtk+:1.2 *cough*
Dec 03 19:04:44 `Kumba	robbat2 and/or iluxa have mentioned attempting to get the R10K O2 setups working eventually
Dec 03 19:05:01 `Kumba	I think NetBSD has done this much already, so something of the ideas in their code might be useful
Dec 03 19:05:05 rajiv	ciaranm: paludis ?
Dec 03 19:05:07 *	ciaranm just wants a terzo
Dec 03 19:05:14 `Kumba	mmmm, tezro
Dec 03 19:05:14 ciaranm	rajiv: paludis doesn't exist, nothing to see here, move along!
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Dec 03 19:05:18 rajiv	oh
Dec 03 19:05:22 spb	ciaranm: spell it right please
Dec 03 19:05:23 ciaranm	is it terzo or tezro? i can never remember
Dec 03 19:05:27 `Kumba	tezro
Dec 03 19:05:36 spyderous	tezro sounds cooler, so that's prolly right
Dec 03 19:05:42 ciaranm	spb: give me one and i'll remember
Dec 03 19:05:46 spb	ha
Dec 03 19:05:46 rajiv	ciaranm: how can i search for packages depending on gtk+-1.2* then ?
Dec 03 19:05:53 ciaranm	rajiv: manually
Dec 03 19:05:56 spb	ciaranm: give me the money to buy two, and i'll give you a tezro
Dec 03 19:06:19 ciaranm	if i had that kind of money lying around i'd buy an openpower box
Dec 03 19:06:20 Halcy0n	`Kumba: I work for the upstream netbsd guy that is probably going to be doing a lot of the IP28 stuff.  He said emailing that gcc patch to their mips list would probably find someone that would port it to newer versions.
Dec 03 19:06:57 ciaranm	admittedly they're not purple, but they're faster
Dec 03 19:06:58 spb	openpower would also be nice
Dec 03 19:07:12 `Kumba	http://pryzmat.pwr.wroc.pl/Pryzmat_190/tezro1.jpg  <-- yum
Dec 03 19:07:24 `Kumba	Halcy0n: Peter Fuerst randomly updates the mach actually
Dec 03 19:07:39 spb	it would have to be SGI, with that case design
Dec 03 19:07:40 `Kumba	I think he even has a gcc-4 version
Dec 03 19:08:09 ciaranm	http://www.nasi.com/images/IBM_p5-595.jpg <-- i want one of those
Dec 03 19:08:12 rajiv	`Kumba: her name is tezro ?
Dec 03 19:08:12 `Kumba	*patch
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Dec 03 19:08:29 `Kumba	rajiv: Not the girl, the hotter purple thing next to the girl
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Dec 03 19:08:39 rajiv	lol i didn't scroll over
Dec 03 19:09:07 ciaranm	hrm. IBM are lying about the p595 specs. 8GBytes RAM? er, no.
Dec 03 19:09:17 `Kumba	even the cube logo glows.  probably the last of their great systems
Dec 03 19:09:33 spb	why does the software in that tezro pic look strangely familiar?
Dec 03 19:09:46 ciaranm	spb: i know this! it's unix!
Dec 03 19:09:56 spb	well yes
Dec 03 19:10:08 spb	but more than that, it looks a lot like cerius2 did last time i saw it
Dec 03 19:10:09 `Kumba	A) IRIX; B) some science app likely ported to linux by now
Dec 03 19:10:43 ciaranm	"Up to 2TB of 266MHz DDR1 266MHz", so why do they list it as 8GBytes? i don't think it can even be made with as little as eight gigs...
Dec 03 19:11:13 ciaranm	silly people.
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Dec 03 19:11:50 spb	`Kumba: and if it is C2 then afaik only the compute server runs on linux ;p
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Dec 03 19:14:06 spb	i lie, apparently the latest one runs on irix, linux, and some parts of it on aix
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Dec 03 19:35:58 ciaranm	SpanKY: then your crosscompiling tool is b0rked!
Dec 03 19:36:45 ciaranm	wheee! gcc 3.4.4 doesn't compile
Dec 03 19:36:49 *	ciaranm does a hippy dance
Dec 03 19:39:00 araujo	ciaranm, don't scare me off
Dec 03 19:39:05 *	araujo is on it
Dec 03 19:39:17 ciaranm	no, it's ok, i just ran out of inodes again
Dec 03 19:39:43 araujo	Good :-)
Dec 03 19:39:59 ciaranm	hrm. and i'm going to have to reinstall tetex after that, aren't i?
Dec 03 19:40:01 ciaranm	bugger.
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Dec 03 19:40:35 araujo	yeah
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Dec 03 19:43:00 SpanKY	ciaranm: uhh, the tool uses portage
Dec 03 19:43:03 SpanKY	so portage is borked
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Dec 03 19:43:15 SpanKY	theres no way i'm going to have crossdev change /etc/make.profile
Dec 03 19:43:41 spb	portage should support seperate configs based on $ROOT
Dec 03 19:43:56 SpanKY	dont see how that applies
Dec 03 19:43:57 ciaranm	doesn't it use $ROOT/etc/make.profile?
Dec 03 19:44:02 SpanKY	no
Dec 03 19:44:05 ciaranm	yuck
Dec 03 19:44:07 SpanKY	and still, it doesnt matter
Dec 03 19:44:10 SpanKY	cross-compiling has ROOT=/
Dec 03 19:44:20 SpanKY	since the cross-compiler lives in $ROOT
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Dec 03 19:44:49 ciaranm	hrm. come to think of it...
Dec 03 19:45:08 ciaranm	cross-compiling can be treated as a fancy kind of multilib. yay, don't need to worry about it for paludis
Dec 03 19:45:30 SpanKY	whatever crack you wanna smoke, i could care less
Dec 03 19:45:48 SpanKY	bbiab, need f00d
Dec 03 19:49:12 ciaranm	!seen fuzzyray
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Dec 03 19:59:52 Halcy0n	ciaranm: paludis the sekrit project? :)
Dec 03 20:02:13 solar	spb: perhaps yeah. But not directly from $ROOT
Dec 03 20:02:25 solar	spb: cuz that would be dumb and bad
Dec 03 20:04:28 steev	!meta alsa-driver
Dec 03 20:04:35 jeeves	steev: Package: media-sound/alsa-driver  Herd: sound Maintainer: sound
Dec 03 20:04:40 steev	!herd sound
Dec 03 20:04:41 jeeves	steev: (sound) chainsaw, eradicator, flameeyes, fvdpol, kito, matsuu, metalgod, ticho
Dec 03 20:04:57 steev	ping ^^
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Dec 03 20:08:24 ciaranm	Halcy0n: possibly
Dec 03 20:09:42 araujo	 * Switching native-compiler to i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6 ...
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Dec 03 20:09:53 ciaranm	i should really tidy up and make a berlios project for libclaristry...
Dec 03 20:10:05 ciaranm	but that sounds like hard work
Dec 03 20:10:13 ciaranm	also, i'd need to find a less sucky name
Dec 03 20:11:20 Halcy0n	araujo: this there a reason you pasted that?
Dec 03 20:11:29 Halcy0n	ciaranm: what the hell is libclaristry?
Dec 03 20:11:46 araujo	Halcy0n, yes, mistyped :-/
Dec 03 20:11:52 ciaranm	Halcy0n: c++ template library that lets you get all the descendents of a class at compile-time
Dec 03 20:12:03 Halcy0n	ciaranm: hmm, cool.
Dec 03 20:16:07 ReJ	!herd livecd
Dec 03 20:16:08 jeeves	ReJ: (livecd) beejay, jhuebel, wolf31o2
Dec 03 20:16:14 ReJ	ping ^
Dec 03 20:22:01 ciaranm	xorg uses libstdc++ too? waah!
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Dec 03 20:51:27 spyderous	ciaranm: libGLU, i think would be the suspect
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Dec 03 21:21:40 tsunam	devrel: ping (any member)
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Dec 03 22:29:46 fox2mike	!seen urilith
Dec 03 22:29:46 glbt	fox2mike, I don't remember seeing urilith.
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Dec 03 22:30:07 fox2mike	!away urilith
Dec 03 22:30:09 jeeves	urilith -> did not edit his/her devaway and or I'm malfunctioning.
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Dec 03 23:11:38 steev	hmm
Dec 03 23:11:43 steev	mail down?
Dec 03 23:12:50 ReJ	Just like gentooexperimental?
Dec 03 23:13:08 steev	dunno, keeps prompting me for my password
Dec 03 23:14:23 steev	guess its one subtle way of saying im no longer a dev
Dec 03 23:14:24 Ramereth	steev: how down?
Dec 03 23:14:48 steev	Ramereth: for mail - it keeps prompting me for my pass, saying login failed
Dec 03 23:14:55 Ramereth	imap?
Dec 03 23:14:59 steev	wondering if anyone else - no pop3
Dec 03 23:15:22 Ramereth	try now
Dec 03 23:15:53 Ramereth	still no go?
Dec 03 23:16:09 steev	nope
Dec 03 23:16:20 langthang	Ramereth: now you kill my imap instead
Dec 03 23:16:34 Ramereth	i upgraded exim, wondering if that may be related
Dec 03 23:16:45 Ramereth	langthang: yeah, i restarted it
Dec 03 23:17:05 Gothgirl	Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server dev.gentoo.org responded: Login failed.
Dec 03 23:17:07 steev	i only use it as imap while im at work
Dec 03 23:17:24 ReJ	SSH works.
Dec 03 23:17:33 Ramereth	ReJ: well yeah, i didn't touch that :)
Dec 03 23:17:37 ReJ	:)
Dec 03 23:18:41 ReJ	Didn't get any -dev mail for a while now.
Dec 03 23:18:54 ReJ	But that's forwarded anyway..
Dec 03 23:21:06 Ramereth	how about now?
Dec 03 23:21:20 Gothgirl	All good here
Dec 03 23:21:25 Ramereth	yeah, worked for me
Dec 03 23:21:28 Ramereth	sorry about that
Dec 03 23:22:46 ReJ	!seen lanius
Dec 03 23:22:47 GenBot	lanius was last seen 3 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 27 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying ':P' in #gentoo-dev.
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Dec 03 23:22:56 Ramereth	let me know if anything else is odd
Dec 03 23:24:46 steev	worked for me as well
Dec 03 23:26:46 spyderous	Ramereth: bah stop doing that, i can never remember my passwords.
Dec 03 23:26:54 Ramereth	spyderous: pwned
Dec 03 23:26:59 Gothgirl	lol
Dec 03 23:27:03 spyderous	tbird makes me retype when the server goes down
Dec 03 23:27:07 Ramereth	i can restart it again
Dec 03 23:27:15 Ramereth	just for you
Dec 03 23:27:28 spyderous	i can quit reading all my email
Dec 03 23:27:35 Ramereth	yay
Dec 03 23:33:07 *	Ramereth got to touch toucan yesterday
Dec 03 23:34:02 *	joem touched Ramereth's mom yesterday
Dec 03 23:34:10 Ramereth	did she like it?
Dec 03 23:34:46 joem	yep
Dec 03 23:35:19 joem	Ramereth: can you create a svn repo for me?
Dec 03 23:35:30 Ramereth	nope, have no idea how to
Dec 03 23:35:37 joem	:(
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Dec 04 00:01:46 steev	ugh. can't even send an email properly, god i suck.
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Dec 04 00:36:53 drobbins	hiya
Dec 04 00:37:28 phreak``	heya drobbins :)
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Dec 04 00:40:16 drobbins	:)
Dec 04 00:40:37 tsunam	evening and good night
Dec 04 00:41:33 SuperLag	Ramereth: you're one sick puppy :)
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Dec 04 01:21:05 drobbins	udev seems to kind of suck for day-to-day use
Dec 04 01:21:16 drobbins	no more clean /dev tree, eh?
Dec 04 01:21:21 `Kumba	works fine here
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Dec 04 01:22:27 `Kumba	how many nodes in /dev do you have?
Dec 04 01:22:38 drobbins	1480
Dec 04 01:22:50 `Kumba	okay, then the conversion didn't go right
Dec 04 01:22:56 `Kumba	happens on my x86 from time to time
Dec 04 01:23:02 drobbins	this is after a 2005.1-r1 install from stage3
Dec 04 01:23:14 drobbins	bug?
Dec 04 01:23:54 drobbins	I have lots of floppy devices, etc.
Dec 04 01:24:14 phreak``	drobbins: did you enable DEVICE_TARBALL (in rc.conf that is IIRC) ?
Dec 04 01:24:28 drobbins	if you ever see me using /dev/fd0h410 I'll give you all a cookie
Dec 04 01:24:40 drobbins	phreak``: nope
Dec 04 01:24:49 drobbins	phreak``: I have not checked as to whether it is enabled or not, but I did not enable it
Dec 04 01:25:07 phreak``	afair it's not enabled by default .. :)
Dec 04 01:25:19 drobbins	ah, it is
Dec 04 01:25:29 drobbins	in /etc/conf.d/rc
Dec 04 01:25:34 drobbins	RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes
Dec 04 01:25:44 drobbins	RC_DEVICES=auto
Dec 04 01:25:48 drobbins	that seems to be the default
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Dec 04 01:26:07 `Kumba	turn off the tarball, bind-mount /, delete all in bindrooted /dev, mknod null and console, unbind, reboot
Dec 04 01:26:40 drobbins	`Kumba: ok, thanks
Dec 04 01:26:45 `Kumba	udev should copy null/console from /dev to tmpfs, mount that, then rescan /sys and create everything else
Dec 04 01:26:56 `Kumba	if it works, should see something like, ~40-100 nodes
Dec 04 01:27:06 `Kumba	(My Octane has 88 atm)
Dec 04 01:27:27 `Kumba	my x86, on the other hand, has the full 1500, heh
Dec 04 01:27:40 `Kumba	and my sparc as usual deadlocked again.  Bloody 2.6 kernels
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Dec 04 01:28:08 drobbins	`Kumba: why mknod null and console?
Dec 04 01:28:40 drobbins	`Kumba: the only 2 needed before udev eh?
Dec 04 01:28:40 phreak``	drobbins: because baselayout needs them before udev is being started
Dec 04 01:28:47 phreak``	;)
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Dec 04 01:28:57 drobbins	`Kumba: I wonder if I can "cp" a device node into place
Dec 04 01:29:01 drobbins	hmmm
Dec 04 01:29:06 drobbins	will try with null
Dec 04 01:29:17 drobbins	nope
Dec 04 01:29:36 drobbins	with cp -a it works
Dec 04 01:29:42 drobbins	easier than calling mknod
Dec 04 01:29:50 `Kumba	mknod's easy
Dec 04 01:29:50 phreak``	rsync -D should work ;)
Dec 04 01:30:12 `Kumba	it's just remembering all the major/minors that's the fun part...
Dec 04 01:30:14 drobbins	phreak``: you don't mess around :)
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Dec 04 01:30:24 drobbins	about 3 years ago, rsync had a bug where device nodes weren't copied correctly
Dec 04 01:30:28 *	`Kumba has null comitted to memory as b 1 3
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Dec 04 01:32:15 drobbins	now to get scsi in my kernel so I can see my firewire device
Dec 04 01:32:31 drobbins	`Kumba: thanks for your help. Now I'll see if it works :)
Dec 04 01:32:31 drobbins	brb
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Dec 04 01:33:53 *	`Kumba hopes he remembered the conversion process properly...
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Dec 04 01:40:22 drobbins	boing
Dec 04 01:40:29 drobbins	device nodes are cleaner now
Dec 04 01:40:44 drobbins	I'm down to 662
Dec 04 01:40:59 drobbins	mostly pty, tty, etc
Dec 04 01:42:36 drobbins	hmmm
Dec 04 01:42:47 drobbins	for some reason, "ls" isn't formatting very well on this extra-wide console
Dec 04 01:42:52 drobbins	anyone else notice that?
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Dec 04 01:43:08 drobbins	"ls -l", "top", irssi and friends are fine, but a normal "ls" seems to be pretty messy
Dec 04 01:45:58 drobbins	hmmm
Dec 04 01:46:09 drobbins	still not getting a device node for my firewire driver
Dec 04 01:46:11 drobbins	drive
Dec 04 01:47:32 drobbins	any way to figure out if it's udev's fault?
Dec 04 01:48:01 drobbins	my fault
Dec 04 01:48:02 drobbins	brb
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Dec 04 01:51:13 genone	g2boojum: ping
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Dec 04 01:53:22 drobbins	yay
Dec 04 01:54:24 Ticho	g'morning
Dec 04 01:54:31 drobbins	hi
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Dec 04 01:58:50 spyderous	drobbins: heh, if your firewire burner now works fine i guess you can use gentoo again.
Dec 04 01:59:54 ---	robbat2|sleep is now known as robbat2
Dec 04 01:59:56 robbat2	bleh, come home this evening to find a water leak - coming in thru the foundations, and my living room carpet all soaked
Dec 04 02:01:57 drobbins	spyderous: it's an external drive :)
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Dec 04 02:04:45 drobbins	man, sox command-line is sooooo confusing
Dec 04 02:04:57 amne	morning
Dec 04 02:05:20 amne	"man sox" otoh should enlighten you otoh (hahaha lame joke i know)
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Dec 04 02:07:16 drobbins	I think I got it
Dec 04 02:10:11 drobbins	yay
Dec 04 02:10:19 drobbins	I can now play monkey's audio encoded music from gentoo
Dec 04 02:11:12 drobbins	amne: hiya, and yep, that man page is wacky
Dec 04 02:12:06 drobbins	ok, I'm now playing monkey's audio encoded lossless music from an ntfs filesystem on an external firewire drive on gentoo 2005.1-r1
Dec 04 02:12:16 drobbins	nifty
Dec 04 02:12:37 amne	sox can play monkey's audio?
Dec 04 02:13:01 drobbins	:)
Dec 04 02:13:04 drobbins	I found some source
Dec 04 02:13:19 amne	nice
Dec 04 02:13:21 drobbins	some guy is maintaining a source tree
Dec 04 02:13:24 drobbins	I didn't do it
Dec 04 02:13:27 drobbins	I just compiled it
Dec 04 02:13:42 drobbins	you have to pipe the decoder to sox
Dec 04 02:14:39 drobbins	it's somewhere on sourceforge
Dec 04 02:14:48 drobbins	if anyone is interested I can try to find the url
Dec 04 02:19:38 genone	anyone else having problems accessing http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/README.txt?rev=1.5&root=gentoo&content-type=text/plain ?
Dec 04 02:20:01 phreak``	genone: works fine here
Dec 04 02:20:10 jakub	wfm
Dec 04 02:20:21 *	genone goes on a ISP kicking trip
Dec 04 02:20:29 jakub	heh... good luck
Dec 04 02:20:30 ---	`Kumba is now known as `K-[AFK]
Dec 04 02:20:54 phreak``	genone: that ain't tcom for any chance ?! :)
Dec 04 02:21:45 genone	nope (I hate t-* with a passion)
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Dec 04 02:22:02 *	phreak`` to, but it's the only one providing dsl here 
Dec 04 02:22:27 drobbins	hrm
Dec 04 02:22:42 drobbins	anyone remember/know how to do a bash for loop on a bunch of files with spaces in their names?
Dec 04 02:22:48 drobbins	and have it work right?
Dec 04 02:22:53 drobbins	for x in "$@" ?
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Dec 04 02:23:00 genone	hmm, on viewcvstest it works ...
Dec 04 02:23:09 *	antarus is half tempted to link to the bash guide you wrote :P
Dec 04 02:23:11 drobbins	I bet that's it. I prolly need quotes in the for part
Dec 04 02:23:19 antarus	I don't remember if that is on there or not though ;P
Dec 04 02:23:24 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 02:23:32 drobbins	I forgot that bash expands in-place
Dec 04 02:23:36 drobbins	working now
Dec 04 02:23:49 drobbins	now I can apeplay *.ape
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Dec 04 02:38:00 drobbins	ahhhhhh... music
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Dec 04 02:38:23 drobbins	had a tough week so I have some Enya on
Dec 04 02:38:43 drobbins	any tougher and I would have some kid's sing-a-long songs on
Dec 04 02:38:48 Halcy0n	strerror: ping
Dec 04 02:39:04 drobbins	s/kid\'s/kids/
Dec 04 02:43:05 drobbins	I really like MaximumPC
Dec 04 02:43:27 robbat2	drobbins, lol
Dec 04 02:43:28 drobbins	I enjoy it
Dec 04 02:43:46 robbat2	sing-a-long songs?
Dec 04 02:43:51 drobbins	yeah
Dec 04 02:44:02 drobbins	some barney songs
Dec 04 02:44:22 drobbins	and there I'd be, waving my arms and drooling along to the music
Dec 04 02:44:39 robbat2	the only thing the ActiMates products had going for them was that they had a decent embedded system
Dec 04 02:45:05 drobbins	what are ActiMates?
Dec 04 02:45:48 robbat2	ActiMates is the microsoft internal system that ran the interactive Barney doll, and Arther et al.
Dec 04 02:45:59 drobbins	oh
Dec 04 02:46:21 drobbins	did anyone get gentoo running on barney?
Dec 04 02:47:26 drobbins	I kid, I kid
Dec 04 02:48:09 drobbins	has anyone actually tried an Apple Mighty Mouse?
Dec 04 02:50:30 drobbins	hrm
Dec 04 02:50:52 tsunam	yeah, I've used a mighty mouse
Dec 04 02:50:57 drobbins	MaximumPC is saying that Apple's Bonjour uses uPnP network discovery
Dec 04 02:51:00 drobbins	I think they got that wrong
Dec 04 02:51:10 drobbins	Bonjour is entirely separate from uPnP, afaik
Dec 04 02:51:10 tsunam	hmm don't think it does
Dec 04 02:51:19 drobbins	agreed
Dec 04 02:51:23 tsunam	but then I haven't played much with the recent mac versions
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Dec 04 02:51:31 tsunam	you reading decembers maximumpc drobbins?
Dec 04 02:51:36 latexer	it's zeroconf/mDNS
Dec 04 02:51:39 latexer	nothing to do with uPnP.
Dec 04 02:51:51 tsunam	morning latexer
Dec 04 02:51:56 latexer	howdy.
Dec 04 02:52:13 *	tsunam hasn't gotten this months MaximumPC yet in the mail :(
Dec 04 02:52:24 drobbins	tsunam: ouchie
Dec 04 02:52:33 drobbins	tsunam: want me to type it in for you?
Dec 04 02:52:38 tsunam	haha
Dec 04 02:52:42 tsunam	probably be quicker :-P
Dec 04 02:52:48 drobbins	I could set up a vidcam
Dec 04 02:52:58 drobbins	and I could hold it up so you can read it
Dec 04 02:53:01 tsunam	I think you "want" to set up a vidcam :-P
Dec 04 02:53:46 *	tsunam has to hang christmas lights in the morning otherwise I'd probably take you up on that
Dec 04 02:54:04 tsunam	like 9 hours of doing christmas yesterday and a few more today ~_~
Dec 04 02:54:18 tsunam	silly me for thinking I'd get around to adding aac to abcde =/
Dec 04 02:54:30 drobbins	that reminds me, I need to figure out our christmas vacation stuff
Dec 04 02:54:40 tsunam	christmas vacation stuff?
Dec 04 02:54:58 drobbins	yeah, we hope to be in albuquerque for christmas, so need to figure all that out
Dec 04 02:55:04 drobbins	buy plane tickets, etc.
Dec 04 02:55:11 tsunam	hmm interesting place to go for the holidays
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Dec 04 02:55:29 drobbins	it's where we used to live, my mom and my wife's family are there
Dec 04 02:55:34 tsunam	ah
Dec 04 02:55:34 drobbins	and lots of our friends
Dec 04 02:55:40 drobbins	it's also nice there
Dec 04 02:55:51 tsunam	yes, my parents used to live there many a year ago
Dec 04 02:56:03 tsunam	one of the few places they'd willingly go back to
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Dec 04 02:57:49 *	tsunam is just hoping that this year, we don't get 5 feet of snow on the ground
Dec 04 02:58:20 drobbins	tsunam: where are you?
Dec 04 02:58:29 tsunam	currently: reno, nevada
Dec 04 02:58:38 tsunam	trying to move up to salem, oregon and the area
Dec 04 02:58:47 drobbins	ah
Dec 04 02:58:52 drobbins	I'm going to be in Montana later next week
Dec 04 02:58:55 tsunam	trying = "get a decently paying job"
Dec 04 02:58:56 drobbins	should be interesting
Dec 04 02:59:02 drobbins	I know that feeling
Dec 04 02:59:38 tsunam	although it was no doubt a hard road, you seem to have one now
Dec 04 02:59:57 drobbins	well it doesn't always get easier after you get the job
Dec 04 03:00:17 drobbins	see my sing-a-long comments above
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Dec 04 03:00:30 drobbins	maybe a different kind of hard
Dec 04 03:00:35 tsunam	true, I'm a bit fortunate that my only dependencies are a few doggies
Dec 04 03:00:49 tsunam	for one aspect
Dec 04 03:00:59 drobbins	that makes things a lot more flexible
Dec 04 03:01:03 tsunam	yep :)
Dec 04 03:02:08 drobbins	I really have no clue how Apple is going to get into gaming
Dec 04 03:02:18 drobbins	they seem pretty weak in that area
Dec 04 03:02:34 tsunam	Ever since oregon trail wasn't the hip new game :-P
Dec 04 03:02:40 drobbins	(paging thru MaximumPC - has a "my experiences with OS X" section)
Dec 04 03:02:43 tsunam	The company is a interesting one to study though
Dec 04 03:02:56 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:03:07 tsunam	It's managed to change itself from a computer company "apple computers" to just Apple
Dec 04 03:03:29 drobbins	they're making a pretty aggressive media play
Dec 04 03:03:35 drobbins	very scrappy
Dec 04 03:03:43 tsunam	well assuming their going for the pvr market net
Dec 04 03:03:45 tsunam	next*
Dec 04 03:03:55 tsunam	isn't unlikely
Dec 04 03:04:11 drobbins	yep but there's media and then there's gaming
Dec 04 03:04:17 tsunam	yeah
Dec 04 03:04:21 TaD	the move to Intel hardware may help with gaming
Dec 04 03:04:23 drobbins	if they had a good gaming solution they'd be in a really good place
Dec 04 03:04:30 drobbins	but without it...
Dec 04 03:04:33 tsunam	you also have to look at the fact of pc gaming as it stands now
Dec 04 03:04:56 tsunam	the "standard" is that each new generation of games, you need a new ~200 dollar video card to keep up
Dec 04 03:05:09 tsunam	a console on the other hand..
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Dec 04 03:05:34 drobbins	tsunam: prediction: apple joins forces with nintendo
Dec 04 03:05:36 *	tsunam notes that I've not owned a console (minus a gba sp) since the super nes
Dec 04 03:05:42 drobbins	tsunam: that'd be interesting
Dec 04 03:05:49 tsunam	drobbins: that'd be very interesting
Dec 04 03:05:56 tsunam	don't think it'll happen
Dec 04 03:06:37 drobbins	yes, but it'd be very interesting
Dec 04 03:06:43 drobbins	nintendo gets along just fine without directx
Dec 04 03:07:07 tsunam	I just don't think apple is really into the gaming market though. They've always been hardware sales. (and the itunes store as well now)
Dec 04 03:07:13 drobbins	right
Dec 04 03:07:35 drobbins	but to have a full "home" solution you need to address gaming in some way
Dec 04 03:07:46 tsunam	very true
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Dec 04 03:08:31 tsunam	The xbox is a interestin way of fullfilling that home solution
Dec 04 03:08:49 drobbins	yes, the 360 looks pretty good... haven't played with one yet though
Dec 04 03:09:03 tsunam	I've played with one or two at shops
Dec 04 03:09:14 tsunam	I'd actually like to see what it does beyond the games though
Dec 04 03:09:32 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:09:38 drobbins	a lot of media stuff, music stuff
Dec 04 03:09:44 tsunam	streaming content
Dec 04 03:09:46 tsunam	from a pc
Dec 04 03:09:49 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:10:13 tsunam	Its microsoft's best way to do the home media center environment
Dec 04 03:10:29 drobbins	yep, I think so too
Dec 04 03:10:31 tsunam	and probably in part why they are taking such a huge loss on it as well
Dec 04 03:10:36 drobbins	well
Dec 04 03:10:44 drobbins	it's strategically important
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Dec 04 03:11:27 drobbins	ipod nano looks nice
Dec 04 03:11:30 tsunam	The only way I can see it being strategically important is in that wired home, media function
Dec 04 03:11:37 tsunam	<---got one for my mother for christmas
Dec 04 03:11:42 drobbins	nice :)
Dec 04 03:11:45 tsunam	the thing is bloody tiny
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Dec 04 03:11:53 drobbins	wish that it was more codec-friendly
Dec 04 03:11:59 tsunam	aye, as do I
Dec 04 03:12:06 drobbins	I wish all these devices allowed plugins for any codec you wanted
Dec 04 03:12:08 drobbins	including microsoft stuff
Dec 04 03:12:10 tsunam	I'd love it if it did ogg and or flac ;)
Dec 04 03:12:12 drobbins	I don't like the codec wars
Dec 04 03:12:32 drobbins	seems dumb to me, not good for people who want to listen to the freaking music
Dec 04 03:12:33 tsunam	drobbins: yeah, I ran into a umm...what encodes to aac in linux ????
Dec 04 03:12:44 tsunam	with tagging ability
Dec 04 03:12:57 drobbins	tsunam: and last time I checked, I could not find a way to go from apple lossless back to wav in itunes
Dec 04 03:13:04 drobbins	tsunam: seems pretty "lock in"-esque to me
Dec 04 03:13:14 tsunam	hmm
Dec 04 03:13:16 tsunam	never tried
Dec 04 03:13:30 drobbins	I really like foobar2000 as a player on windows
Dec 04 03:13:44 tsunam	everyone raves about foobar2000
Dec 04 03:13:48 tsunam	I just never got into it
Dec 04 03:14:06 tsunam	I've used beep-media-player, and its new redone coded version bmpx for a while now
Dec 04 03:14:10 tsunam	it works quite nicely
Dec 04 03:14:15 drobbins	there is a bit of a learning curve but it's really powerful
Dec 04 03:14:20 tsunam	has some things I'd like to change but my C sucks :(
Dec 04 03:14:41 drobbins	tsunam: will those work from the command-line?
Dec 04 03:14:50 drobbins	a command-line version of foobar2000 would be really nice
Dec 04 03:15:00 tsunam	you can actually have no physical display and pass commands to bmpx via dbus :)
Dec 04 03:15:15 drobbins	neat
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Dec 04 03:15:17 robbat2|sleep	night all
Dec 04 03:15:21 tsunam	night robbat2|sleep
Dec 04 03:15:28 tsunam	its quite neat
Dec 04 03:15:40 drobbins	could I easily tweak it to support monkey's audio cmdline decoding, piping to sox?
Dec 04 03:15:45 tsunam	Its one of those apps that I like to see people pushing to use
Dec 04 03:15:46 drobbins	robbat2|sleep: gnite
Dec 04 03:16:01 tsunam	drobbins: that would probably be a bit more work
Dec 04 03:16:26 drobbins	one annoying thing about pipes
Dec 04 03:16:26 tsunam	az, works on it so he'd know better then me
Dec 04 03:16:31 drobbins	they aren't media-friendly
Dec 04 03:16:36 tsunam	not generally
Dec 04 03:16:49 drobbins	piping uncompressed CD audio - not enough of a buffer to avoid skipping with high cpu
Dec 04 03:17:05 tsunam	some formats are able to handle it though
Dec 04 03:17:08 drobbins	so the whole unix thing sort of starts breaking down :/
Dec 04 03:17:14 tsunam	mp3 and ogg are two I can think of off hand
Dec 04 03:17:23 tsunam	aac should as well
Dec 04 03:17:31 drobbins	someone should add support for "big pipes"
Dec 04 03:17:51 drobbins	they could be called hookas
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Dec 04 03:17:58 tsunam	^.^
Dec 04 03:18:10 drobbins	it has a cool name
Dec 04 03:18:13 drobbins	now someone has to do it
Dec 04 03:18:25 tsunam	easier said then done
Dec 04 03:19:35 tsunam	especially to make sure its a clean implementation and not some ugly hack :)
Dec 04 03:21:55 *	tsunam has a long way to go to write something I'd consider good clean code
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Dec 04 03:22:53 blackace	all good clean code has a nasty dirty ugly hack at the base of it's idea
Dec 04 03:23:11 tsunam	morning blackace
Dec 04 03:23:23 blackace	morning tsunam
Dec 04 03:23:32 blackace	early morning isn't it? :)
Dec 04 03:23:44 tsunam	hmm 1:20ish, its the same for you :-P
Dec 04 03:24:07 blackace	I wasn't saying it like you were up too early ;P
Dec 04 03:24:19 tsunam	hehe
Dec 04 03:24:24 blackace	or maybe s/up/still up/ ;)
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Dec 04 03:24:27 tsunam	still up
Dec 04 03:24:28 nerdboy	night peeps
Dec 04 03:24:32 tsunam	night nerdboy
Dec 04 03:24:33 blackace	night steve :)
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Dec 04 03:25:08 tsunam	more or less the night owl habits are hard to break. I say i'm going to bed, and end up for another couple of hours
Dec 04 03:25:26 drobbins	blackace: good point about the clean code
Dec 04 03:26:04 drobbins	blackace: time-sharing a cpu is pretty much a hack
Dec 04 03:26:42 blackace	drobbins: yeah, I have witnessed that just in my recent encounter with perl's ithreads :)
Dec 04 03:26:57 blackace	talk about a hack on a hack on a hack
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Dec 04 03:27:58 drobbins	I avoid perl
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Dec 04 03:28:12 *	tsunam does the same for java 
Dec 04 03:28:21 drobbins	yeah, java too
Dec 04 03:28:29 drobbins	.net is nicer, but....
Dec 04 03:28:36 drobbins	imo the apis are way too vast
Dec 04 03:28:43 drobbins	you need to read like 14 books to begin doing something with it
Dec 04 03:28:48 *	blackace has tangled with both and while he hasn't found the ideal language, they serve their purpose
Dec 04 03:28:49 tsunam	I'll probably be learning vb.net with my mother when she takes the class
Dec 04 03:29:12 tsunam	<---ends up her support whenever its programming of any kind
Dec 04 03:29:30 tsunam	I've been working with javascript for her webprogramming class :(
Dec 04 03:31:26 *	blackace still doesn't understand why a nice typeless language like python hasn't been embedded client-side yet
Dec 04 03:32:04 tsunam	?
Dec 04 03:32:16 drobbins	blackace: whatcha mean
Dec 04 03:32:22 blackace	...in browsers, like javascript
Dec 04 03:32:24 tsunam	glad I'm not the only one hehe
Dec 04 03:32:54 blackace	ie. why is javascript the only widely implemented language in useragents
Dec 04 03:33:05 tsunam	good question
Dec 04 03:33:09 drobbins	well
Dec 04 03:33:14 drobbins	javascript changes less
Dec 04 03:33:19 tsunam	de facto standard because it was the first major one?
Dec 04 03:33:39 tsunam	drobbins: is that because of the fact that it is in the useragent
Dec 04 03:33:41 drobbins	also, you'd need a subset of python without such deep os hooks
Dec 04 03:34:21 drobbins	so I dunno if just plain python could be interpreted without opening up huge security holes
Dec 04 03:34:39 drobbins	though I'm not a javascript expert so I may not know what I'm talking about
Dec 04 03:35:16 blackace	you're probably right, people might not want remote sites doing opens and execs from their browser :)
Dec 04 03:35:34 drobbins	but if someone ripped out the edgy stuff, python would be a lot better
Dec 04 03:35:55 drobbins	something like "python--" :)
Dec 04 03:35:57 tsunam	afaik javascript just does calls
Dec 04 03:36:21 drobbins	or
Dec 04 03:36:23 drobbins	pythonscript
Dec 04 03:36:30 drobbins	that would probably be the name
Dec 04 03:36:37 tsunam	doesn't sound too bad
Dec 04 03:36:43 drobbins	go write it :)
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Dec 04 03:37:19 tsunam	drobbins: I have trouble writing a program that stores information I want, and recalling it later in python
Dec 04 03:37:47 tsunam	which I still need to kick my butt and get back to
Dec 04 03:37:53 drobbins	well, then it's up to blackace for now
Dec 04 03:38:14 tsunam	<--self taught programming person
Dec 04 03:38:28 blackace	same here...and I haven't taught myself c yet :/
Dec 04 03:38:37 drobbins	c is good to know
Dec 04 03:38:41 tsunam	yeah it is
Dec 04 03:38:45 blackace	I've heard that :)
Dec 04 03:38:53 drobbins	it's not something I'd recommend coding in every day, but really good to know
Dec 04 03:38:59 tsunam	I seriously just need to sit down and figure out something fun to write in it
Dec 04 03:39:14 Sebastian	Any LaTeX guru around?
Dec 04 03:39:17 drobbins	a friend of mine is writing a flickr gnome-vfs module in python
Dec 04 03:39:42 drobbins	he just started learning python
Dec 04 03:39:47 tsunam	as in the photo sharing flickr?
Dec 04 03:39:53 drobbins	you can look around and find a lot of apis for python
Dec 04 03:39:53 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:40:11 drobbins	he showed it to me - it allows you to view your flickr stuff as a filesystem in gnome
Dec 04 03:40:15 Sebastian	There is already a plugin for Flickr/Nautilus integration written in Perl somewhere.
Dec 04 03:40:17 tsunam	interesting
Dec 04 03:40:39 tsunam	shirt: "Python does it better" ?
Dec 04 03:40:41 drobbins	Sebastian: he found several bugs in the python api
Dec 04 03:40:42 tsunam	;)
Dec 04 03:40:55 drobbins	Sebastian: I think it had locking/multithreading issues
Dec 04 03:41:12 drobbins	so he has to patch something first in order to get it working
Dec 04 03:41:19 Sebastian	hehe
Dec 04 03:41:44 tsunam	most of the time, that's how it happens
Dec 04 03:42:16 tsunam	or even a hmm, this doesn't fit with the fhs *patch patch patch*
Dec 04 03:44:08 drobbins	I think a lot of time could be saved if more people documented what isn't working
Dec 04 03:44:23 drobbins	clear notes of what stuff has not been tested and is probably broken
Dec 04 03:44:28 drobbins	then you know what you're getting into
Dec 04 03:45:01 tsunam	drobbins: that requires a good ammount of consideration though. A lot of times it's just assumed that you will know
Dec 04 03:45:19 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:45:29 drobbins	well, it requires an hour of some seniorish developer's time
Dec 04 03:45:33 drobbins	for each release
Dec 04 03:45:41 blackace	mmhmm, I agree for the most part, but I find with many things I write, I simply couldn't conceive of a scenario in order to test it that someone then reports as being broken
Dec 04 03:45:49 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:46:04 drobbins	that can happen too
Dec 04 03:46:10 tsunam	I'm generally the oposite, I can always think of ways someone can break it
Dec 04 03:46:33 blackace	I always try to do that before I release my code :)
Dec 04 03:46:35 tsunam	If I can't I know i'm in trouble ;)
Dec 04 03:46:58 blackace	I only release when I've tested everything I can think of
Dec 04 03:47:06 tsunam	good way to do it
Dec 04 03:48:00 genone	blackace: volunteering to write a comprehensive testsuite for portage? *g*
Dec 04 03:48:22 blackace	genone: well, I didn't write portage did I ;)
Dec 04 03:48:26 drobbins	unit testing for portage would be cool
Dec 04 03:48:50 drobbins	I can't work on it, unfortunately
Dec 04 03:49:29 *	genone goes back writing the compability bit of the manifest2 glep
Dec 04 03:49:32 *	tsunam made the mistake of looking at portage code when I first started to look into python ^.^
Dec 04 03:50:27 blackace	drobbins: it would be nice of microsoft would consider a portage-like system for package deployment vs. group policy that you could be paid to work on, with patches finding their way back to portage like openoffice/staroffice :)
Dec 04 03:50:32 blackace	s/of/if/
Dec 04 03:51:04 tsunam	I'd actually like a server driven package deployment system for windows
Dec 04 03:51:19 drobbins	tsunam: I've tried to start work on one, but it's not in my current job description
Dec 04 03:51:22 tsunam	would make rollouts of some things a whole lot easier
Dec 04 03:51:26 drobbins	won't really be in my potential future one either
Dec 04 03:51:34 tsunam	drobbins: :)
Dec 04 03:51:45 blackace	I'd like overlays with which I could override the way packages install on a per-site basis
Dec 04 03:51:52 drobbins	but there's always the off-hours
Dec 04 03:52:13 drobbins	people generally say "no" to ideas here
Dec 04 03:52:20 drobbins	it's like a really bad version of the gentoo dev team
Dec 04 03:52:21 tsunam	that's unfortunate :(
Dec 04 03:52:35 blackace	ouch, that's _really_ bad then :)
Dec 04 03:52:48 drobbins	if you have a good idea, you need to build a little mini-political campaign around it to push it forward
Dec 04 03:52:55 tsunam	drobbins & blackace: you know, I hope you both don't want to scare me off :-P
Dec 04 03:53:10 *	tsunam needs find a member of devrel who's around 
Dec 04 03:53:14 drobbins	people say "no" because *your* idea may steal resources from *their* idea
Dec 04 03:53:16 blackace	tsunam: if we don't, someone else will :)
Dec 04 03:53:28 drobbins	at least, that's the way I understand it
Dec 04 03:53:52 drobbins	limited resources, so ideas need to compete for resources against other ideas
Dec 04 03:53:57 tsunam	drobbins: I've heard that before, about microsoft. Or you work on it behind the scenes and when you havea working model you show it to bosses
Dec 04 03:54:07 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:54:07 tsunam	and then either get told no or given people to help
Dec 04 03:54:16 drobbins	it ends up being somewhat open-source like....
Dec 04 03:54:23 tsunam	how so?
Dec 04 03:54:35 blackace	write it and they will come
Dec 04 03:54:38 drobbins	you end up working a lot in your spare time :)
Dec 04 03:54:50 tsunam	hehe
Dec 04 03:55:04 blackace	except unlike open source, you actually get paid for part of your day ;)
Dec 04 03:55:08 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:55:25 drobbins	well, both environments are resource-constrained
Dec 04 03:55:38 drobbins	in different ways, but it produces similar dynamics
Dec 04 03:56:08 drobbins	open source is probably a bit more supportive in general, though
Dec 04 03:56:22 blackace	in closed source you have a profit margin
Dec 04 03:56:26 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 03:56:34 tsunam	you also have the size of a company to deal with
Dec 04 03:56:45 tsunam	the right hand has no clue what the left hand is doing a lot of the time
Dec 04 03:56:46 drobbins	it's also very hard to find others who are interested and have the time to contribute to an idea
Dec 04 03:57:16 drobbins	microsoft needs some kind of internal "commons" where people can get together and collaborate on projects
Dec 04 03:57:26 blackace	I think quality suffers when you have no choice in what you work on
Dec 04 03:57:44 drobbins	well, you have some choice
Dec 04 03:57:51 drobbins	it's relatively easy to change roles at the company
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Dec 04 03:58:07 drobbins	well
Dec 04 03:58:10 drobbins	let me rephrase that
Dec 04 03:58:16 drobbins	it's very possible to change roles at the company
Dec 04 03:58:30 drobbins	I wouldn't say it's easy
Dec 04 03:58:46 blackace	but you have slightly more choice than voting with your feet?
Dec 04 03:58:47 tsunam	that's where networking comes in :)
Dec 04 03:59:23 drobbins	blackace: sometimes you need to be willing to vote with your feet before people start listening
Dec 04 03:59:39 blackace	drobbins: just like open source :)
Dec 04 03:59:49 drobbins	blackace: otherwise they will keep you doing what they want you to be doing, rather than allow you to do what you know you'd be best doing
Dec 04 04:00:23 drobbins	however
Dec 04 04:00:25 blackace	exactly like gentoo :/
Dec 04 04:00:37 drobbins	at msft, most people give up and hold on to their paycheck
Dec 04 04:00:45 drobbins	because it's stressful to "play harball" like that
Dec 04 04:00:53 drobbins	even if it's in everyone's best interests to make the change
Dec 04 04:01:15 tsunam	that's called taking the easy path
Dec 04 04:01:34 blackace	or the smarter one depending on your situation
Dec 04 04:01:42 drobbins	if it were too easy to switch roles then people would be doing it all the time, potentially
Dec 04 04:01:45 tsunam	I should of done that once or twice
Dec 04 04:02:04 tsunam	in the current job, I'm the lowest rated by my boss
Dec 04 04:02:16 tsunam	course its only out of about 9 people but still
Dec 04 04:02:50 drobbins	the rating system is weird here too
Dec 04 04:03:03 drobbins	I'm trying to get on a team with a lot of seasoned people on it
Dec 04 04:03:09 drobbins	many have advanced degrees
Dec 04 04:03:18 drobbins	so the risk I take is that my review score will be low
Dec 04 04:03:41 drobbins	but if I'm not around people who are more experienced then me, then I don't know why I'm here
Dec 04 04:03:48 drobbins	or should be here, rather
Dec 04 04:03:50 drobbins	well
Dec 04 04:04:03 drobbins	it would at least be boring if that were the case
Dec 04 04:04:23 blackace	very
Dec 04 04:05:08 tsunam	See I'd be so bored out of my mind at the job I'm at, if it didn't allow me the time that it does to work on linux stuff etc
Dec 04 04:05:17 *	blackace would love to work with people who didn't need his help for things but could instead be relied on for their knowledge
Dec 04 04:05:40 tsunam	blackace: keep dreaming
Dec 04 04:06:19 blackace	tsunam: what?  keep dreaming that I'll someday be the dumbest person in the room? :P
Dec 04 04:06:45 tsunam	yeah...because you'll have something someone else wont :)
Dec 04 04:07:32 blackace	but then they would have to be humble enough to consider that a possibility...and that has not been my experience so far :/
Dec 04 04:07:50 drobbins	I just thought of a way to fix the whole pipe problem without a hooka
Dec 04 04:07:52 tsunam	=|
Dec 04 04:08:07 tsunam	you killed hooka alreadY?
Dec 04 04:08:09 blackace	it doesn't involve needles does it?
Dec 04 04:09:04 drobbins	I need to find a cmdline player that has its own internal buffer
Dec 04 04:09:20 drobbins	so when you pipe to it, it will read a second or two's worth of data before starting "real" playback
Dec 04 04:09:26 drobbins	I wonder if there is a "buffer pipe" command?
Dec 04 04:11:00 drobbins	decode myfile.foo | buffer -1m | sox -t wav - -t ossdsp /dev/dsp
Dec 04 04:11:03 drobbins	then sox would have a steady stream even if the cpu-bound decode gets starved
Dec 04 04:11:31 drobbins	the buffer command would create a 1 meg mem buffer
Dec 04 04:12:03 blackace	if the player can't get the data fast enough, how could the buffer?
Dec 04 04:12:04 tsunam	well good night blackace and drobbins. Good talking with you both
Dec 04 04:12:12 blackace	tsunam: night :)
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Dec 04 04:13:08 blackace	oh wait, stupid question :)
Dec 04 04:13:23 drobbins	tsunam: gnite :)
Dec 04 04:13:36 drobbins	blackace: so you figured it out? :)
Dec 04 04:13:51 drobbins	someone tells me that gstreamer could do this
Dec 04 04:14:00 drobbins	in #tacobeam
Dec 04 04:15:11 drobbins	from the cmdline
Dec 04 04:15:17 drobbins	and then I could avoid sox too
Dec 04 04:16:40 blackace	drobbins: yes, if your buffer length is longer than the length of the data multiplied by the length of time it takes to transfer 1 second of data, then it doesn't matter how long that is :)
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Dec 04 04:18:39 blackace	the pipe buffer doesn't have to get the data in any specific timeframe :)
Dec 04 04:18:58 drobbins	blackace: so what are you saying?
Dec 04 04:22:03 blackace	drobbins: that a buffer doesn't care about time
Dec 04 04:22:10 Kugelfang	drobbins: greetings :-)
Dec 04 04:22:14 drobbins	Kugelfang: hiya
Dec 04 04:22:20 drobbins	blackace: but it would still work, right?
Dec 04 04:22:24 drobbins	blackace: it would fix the problem
Dec 04 04:22:30 blackace	drobbins: right
Dec 04 04:22:46 drobbins	just wanted to make sure :)
Dec 04 04:22:51 Kugelfang	drobbins: ever tried fifos?
Dec 04 04:23:04 drobbins	Kugelfang: nope
Dec 04 04:23:11 Kugelfang	drobbins: and give the fist programm sufficent time for a headstart?
Dec 04 04:23:17 drobbins	Kugelfang: but don't all those primitives have a 32K or 64K hard-wired buffer
Dec 04 04:23:43 *	Kugelfang loooks
Dec 04 04:23:56 drobbins	all my unix programming books are at work
Dec 04 04:24:35 blackace	a buffer should just be like two queues except with memory in between them, the write queue never blocks, but the read queue does until a given time period has expired
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Dec 04 04:25:01 blackace	a fifo blocks the pending write until there is a read
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Dec 04 04:25:21 blackace	so it requires no memory in and of itself until data is being transferred
Dec 04 04:25:23 drobbins	blackace: well the buffer would block writing when the pipe buffer is full
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Dec 04 04:25:46 drobbins	blackace: and the buffer would block on read when the buffer is full, or when the pipe buffer is empty (CPU drain)
Dec 04 04:25:51 blackace	drobbins: sure, or it would segfault :)
Dec 04 04:26:10 drobbins	yep :)
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Dec 04 04:38:46 drobbins	I love maximumPC
Dec 04 04:39:12 drobbins	"The IAudio X5 is picky with video files. You're picky with portable video players. Guess who loses?"
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Dec 04 04:55:53 drobbins	I thought up a decent parody song....
Dec 04 04:55:57 drobbins	well, the first line of it anyway
Dec 04 04:56:05 drobbins	it's kind of goofy
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Dec 04 05:45:57 Chainsaw	!herd perl
Dec 04 05:45:59 slarti	mcummings: ping
Dec 04 05:45:59 jeeves	Chainsaw: (perl) beu, chriswhite, mcummings, superlag
Dec 04 05:46:20 Chainsaw	/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
Dec 04 05:46:20 Chainsaw	/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
Dec 04 05:46:20 slarti	Chainsaw: are you thinking of the same thing I am? :P
Dec 04 05:46:25 slarti	yeah
Dec 04 05:46:49 Chainsaw	slarti: I might be. This has broken my world upgrade at least 5 times now, I'm a bit tired of seeing it.
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Dec 04 05:47:24 lu_zero	hi
Dec 04 05:47:42 Chainsaw	Hiya.
Dec 04 05:47:44 drobbins	hi
Dec 04 05:48:08 Chainsaw	slarti: Have you seen or opened a bug report about that?
Dec 04 05:48:21 slarti	Chainsaw: haven't looked yet
Dec 04 05:49:21 slarti	Chainsaw: bug 114371
Dec 04 05:49:24 GenBot	slarti: Bug 114371; "perl-5.8.7-r2 - DynaLoader.a linking issues break packages on amd64"; [Gentoo Linux :: Development]; {NEW}; Sandro->Perl Devs @ Gentoo; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114371
Dec 04 05:49:59 lu_zero	good morning =)
Dec 04 05:50:25 drobbins	I'm about to brush my teeth and go to bed
Dec 04 05:50:43 axxo	interesting
Dec 04 05:51:11 drobbins	I'm using gstreamer for the first time
Dec 04 05:51:21 lu_zero	sleep well =)
Dec 04 05:51:26 drobbins	to do a buffered pipeline for decoding
Dec 04 05:51:29 drobbins	from the cmdline
Dec 04 05:51:31 drobbins	thanks :)
Dec 04 05:51:36 lu_zero	drobbins worked?
Dec 04 05:51:40 drobbins	I'll be up for a few more minutes
Dec 04 05:51:41 drobbins	yep
Dec 04 05:51:48 drobbins	the pipeline is
Dec 04 05:52:09 lu_zero	gst is a nice concept but the implementation requires lots of polishing to be perfect for everybody =/
Dec 04 05:52:41 drobbins	mac "$x" - -d | gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="/dev/stdin" ! wavparse ! alsasink
Dec 04 05:52:44 drobbins	monkey's audio decoder
Dec 04 05:53:53 drobbins	it seems to be a step up over sox
Dec 04 05:54:09 drobbins	hrm
Dec 04 05:54:11 drobbins	I take that back
Dec 04 05:54:13 drobbins	still no buffering
Dec 04 05:54:15 drobbins	hrm
Dec 04 05:54:20 drobbins	need to figure out how to add buffering
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Dec 04 05:56:48 drobbins	ok, no idea how to enable that
Dec 04 05:56:55 drobbins	what I need is a special buffer command
Dec 04 05:57:08 drobbins	mac "$x" - -d | buffer -1MB | sox
Dec 04 05:57:29 drobbins	so I don't get hit by the pipe buffer when the decoder gets CPU starved and my stream dries up
Dec 04 05:57:31 drobbins	seems like a basic problem
Dec 04 06:00:07 drobbins	nite all
Dec 04 06:00:16 phreak``	nite drobbins
Dec 04 06:00:28 lu_zero	nite
Dec 04 06:00:45 lisa	woot. i think i borked my world file
Dec 04 06:01:32 steev	awesomeness
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Dec 04 06:01:48 lisa	not as such :<
Dec 04 06:02:02 Chainsaw	Make a backup and regenworld?
Dec 04 06:02:11 Chainsaw	Does not sound like the end of the world to me.
Dec 04 06:03:40 lisa	equery list says 663 packages, emerge -e world says 148 :o
Dec 04 06:04:18 Chainsaw	*nod* That seems bad.
Dec 04 06:04:22 lisa	heh
Dec 04 06:04:36 Chainsaw	Tried moving the worldfile out of the way and running regenworld?
Dec 04 06:04:49 Chainsaw	That should normally fix it, especially if the equery list still has valid output.
Dec 04 06:05:03 lisa	where is the world file these days ?
Dec 04 06:05:16 lisa	found it
Dec 04 06:05:28 lisa	uh
Dec 04 06:05:30 lisa	or not
Dec 04 06:05:37 SwifT	/var/lib/portage/world afaik
Dec 04 06:05:55 lisa	that has two lines in it
Dec 04 06:06:03 lisa	sandbox and distcc. heh
Dec 04 06:06:19 SwifT	125 lines here
Dec 04 06:06:23 Chainsaw	128 lines here.
Dec 04 06:06:25 lisa	removing that and running regenworld puts distcc and sandbox back in
Dec 04 06:07:03 SwifT	lol
Dec 04 06:07:14 lisa	distcc++
Dec 04 06:07:14 lisa	:P
Dec 04 06:07:19 SwifT	your emerge.log gets rotated perhaps?
Dec 04 06:07:22 genone	/var/log/emerge.log is still intact and complete?
Dec 04 06:07:39 lisa	yes it does get rotated
Dec 04 06:07:46 SwifT	that's the culprit
Dec 04 06:07:53 lisa	it goes back to 30 nov 2005
Dec 04 06:07:55 SwifT	regenworld searches emerge.log for all packages you've installed
Dec 04 06:08:04 lisa	hmm
Dec 04 06:08:04 SwifT	I suppose distcc and sandbox are the two you installed since then :)
Dec 04 06:08:09 lisa	no
Dec 04 06:08:13 lisa	i've installed a bunch since then
Dec 04 06:08:29 lisa	m4, bison, sed, zlib, ncurses, gnome-vfs
Dec 04 06:08:36 SwifT	you did? weird... not using --oneshot ?
Dec 04 06:08:38 genone	"system"
Dec 04 06:08:49 lisa	SwifT: i've never used oneshot :p
Dec 04 06:09:53 lisa	ah
Dec 04 06:09:56 lisa	stupid disk
Dec 04 06:10:01 lisa	ran out of space and borked something up
Dec 04 06:10:19 genone	heh, discs have a habit of doing that
Dec 04 06:11:00 Chainsaw	Disks should have an airhorn that goes off once you hit 2% capacity remaining.
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Dec 04 06:11:45 lisa	dev.gentoo.org/~lisa/tmp/emergeproblems.txt
Dec 04 06:12:22 drobbins	apeplay foo.ape; shutdown -h now
Dec 04 06:12:27 drobbins	that's what's running over here
Dec 04 06:12:33 drobbins	I'm really going to bed now
Dec 04 06:12:38 drobbins	lisa: heya
Dec 04 06:13:07 lisa	heya daniel. how's it going?
Dec 04 06:13:48 lisa	heh
Dec 04 06:14:12 lisa	i think it's time for some equery bash magic
Dec 04 06:15:34 solar	tip. dont rotate emerge.log
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Dec 04 06:15:48 lisa	stupid metalog
Dec 04 06:17:04 lisa	whoever wrote equery++
Dec 04 06:17:16 lisa	wait, that was karl wasn't it?
Dec 04 06:17:26 bonsaikitten	mostly
Dec 04 06:17:30 lisa	karltk++
Dec 04 06:17:31 lisa	 ;)
Dec 04 06:19:06 *	lisa edits logrotate.conf
Dec 04 06:19:45 lisa	eh, does logrotate default to rotating emerge.log ?
Dec 04 06:20:06 lisa	guess my dumb ass did that. *shuts up*
Dec 04 06:31:22 hansmi	!herd base-system
Dec 04 06:31:23 jeeves	hansmi: (base-system) agriffis, avenj, azarah, chainsaw, ciaranm, g2boojum, gmsoft, kumba, lu_zero, pebenito, seemant, vapier, weeve
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Dec 04 06:31:29 hansmi	^ ping
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Dec 04 06:33:36 Chainsaw	(I'm here, but I don't do much base-system stuff besides lilo)
Dec 04 06:34:40 lisa	lilo++
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Dec 04 06:35:54 jakub	lilo--
Dec 04 06:35:57 *	solar will take lilo anyday over grub
Dec 04 06:36:44 ---	batloog|cook is now known as batlogg
Dec 04 06:36:59 Chainsaw	Likewise.
Dec 04 06:37:24 Chainsaw	And although I'd love to stay and describe my frustrations with grub, I want to upgrade my kernel first. Brb.
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Dec 04 06:39:06 tigger^	sysadmins who faour lilo are strange ;P
Dec 04 06:39:19 jakub	:)
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Dec 04 06:39:37 tigger^	they don't break boxes very often I guess
Dec 04 06:41:12 hansmi	Chainsaw: powerpc-utils belongs to the base-system herd, may KillerFox bump it? (I'm right beside him and he's in the ppc herd)
Dec 04 06:41:51 hansmi	Okay, he's not but he has ppc hardware :-)
Dec 04 06:42:08 Chainsaw	It's been corsair and hansmi for a while now. I have no problem with that.
Dec 04 06:43:12 hansmi	Chainsaw: thanks
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Dec 04 06:45:19 Chainsaw	Hi homer.
Dec 04 06:46:03 hparker	Hey Chainsaw
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Dec 04 06:53:49 jakub	!herd accessibility
Dec 04 06:53:50 jeeves	jakub: (accessibility) dmwaters, eradicator, leonardop, williamh, zx
Dec 04 06:54:12 jakub	ping ^^^ - please fix that evil conditional patch in speech-tools
Dec 04 07:03:48 mkay	!meta mdadm
Dec 04 07:03:53 jeeves	mkay: Package: sys-fs/mdadm  Herd: base-system Maintainer: base-system
Dec 04 07:05:12 mkay	hmm - anyone knows if i can use mdadm to access raid array set in onboard (sw) controller? (through bios - for windows compatibility)
Dec 04 07:06:45 dsd_	mkay: no, you use device-mapper for BIOS-raid
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Dec 04 07:08:22 mkay	dsd_: dmsetup? (gosh why don't we have man on livecd?:|)
Dec 04 07:08:36 dsd_	mkay: i dont know how to use it, sorry
Dec 04 07:09:06 dsd_	we dont have any docs on dmraid either :( i have a bug filed for that though
Dec 04 07:09:53 mkay	;>
Dec 04 07:10:00 mkay	ok, i'll google a bit
Dec 04 07:10:04 jakub	mkay: try this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_Install_on_Bios_(Onboard)_RAID
Dec 04 07:10:57 mkay	jakub: thanks. that's propably what i was looking for;]
Dec 04 07:11:14 jakub	but I'd not use it unless really necessary, linux raid is much better when it comes to recovery
Dec 04 07:11:30 az	dmraid -a y
Dec 04 07:13:04 mkay	jakub: it's not for me... friend of mine gave me his computer, couse he couldn't get it to work. i've already set everything the way he wanted, but he's away for a week, so i'll stay with his comp during that time
Dec 04 07:13:10 az	device-mapper linear volumes have better performance last time seemant tested it
Dec 04 07:13:31 mkay	and well - it's about 5 times faster than mine, so i'll play a bit with gentoo on it;>
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Dec 04 07:56:32 nelchael	usataway: ping
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Dec 04 07:59:51 nattfodd	!seen pclouds
Dec 04 07:59:52 glbt	nattfodd, I don't remember seeing pclouds.
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Dec 04 08:00:00 nattfodd	erf
Dec 04 08:00:08 nattfodd	lu_zero: ping
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Dec 04 08:22:01 lu_zero	nattfodd pong
Dec 04 08:22:26 nattfodd	lu_zero: I was looking at asymptote package
Dec 04 08:22:32 lu_zero	hm
Dec 04 08:22:36 nattfodd	it looks very nice but for one issue
Dec 04 08:22:44 nattfodd	doc does not build with tetex-3
Dec 04 08:22:52 lu_zero	=/
Dec 04 08:23:02 nattfodd	texinfo/etex and tetex-3 messing everything up
Dec 04 08:23:35 solar	lu_zero: hey why does gcc-2.95 matter? that compiler is 4-5 years old
Dec 04 08:23:59 lu_zero	solar still produces better results for certain tasks
Dec 04 08:24:00 nattfodd	so I was wondering what to do : add it without doc (baaaah), download doc separately when tetex-3 is installed, solve the tetex issues first (could take months)...
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Dec 04 08:24:11 solar	is that the word from the alsa guys (request or something)?
Dec 04 08:25:07 solar	err sorry s/alsa/ffmpeg/
Dec 04 08:25:13 lu_zero	nattfodd ok
Dec 04 08:25:20 lu_zero	solar ffmpeg guys
Dec 04 08:25:23 nattfodd	lu_zero: ok ? ok what ?
Dec 04 08:25:31 lu_zero	nattfodd provide it w/out docs
Dec 04 08:25:39 nattfodd	you really think so ?
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Dec 04 08:26:03 nattfodd	with a big ewarn, then
Dec 04 08:26:03 lu_zero	nattfodd the doc problem looks upstream
Dec 04 08:26:28 nattfodd	lu_zero: no, it's clearly a problem with tetex ebuild
Dec 04 08:26:29 lu_zero	and who needs it I'm quite sure could find documentation even isn't provided
Dec 04 08:26:39 lu_zero	nattfodd really?
Dec 04 08:26:41 lu_zero	ouch
Dec 04 08:27:01 nattfodd	yes, the tetex ebuild has several flaws (and there are some more from upstream)
Dec 04 08:28:34 nattfodd	lu_zero: and media-gfx/asymptote with text-markup herd as maintainer would be ok with you ?
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Dec 04 08:29:09 lu_zero	nattfodd no problems
Dec 04 08:29:16 nattfodd	nice
Dec 04 08:29:32 nattfodd	I'll see what I can do for the doc problem and commit it if an acceptable solution can be found
Dec 04 08:29:41 lu_zero	thank you =)
Dec 04 08:34:01 araujo	Good Morning Gentoo!
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Dec 04 08:35:03 soulse-	araujo: buenos dias hombre ^_^
Dec 04 08:35:34 araujo	The new gtk+ libs need cairo?!?
Dec 04 08:35:38 araujo	Buenas soulse-
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Dec 04 08:36:20 araujo	mmm.. nice, 318 packages for emerging :-)
Dec 04 08:36:31 jforman	araujo: wimp, i'm on 391 of 633
Dec 04 08:36:54 *	bonsaikitten compiles on two boxen :-)
Dec 04 08:37:33 amne	1 of 1 (but it's openoffice)
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Dec 04 08:42:29 warpzero	I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Dec 04 08:44:10 bonsaikitten	warpzero, like what?
Dec 04 08:44:24 warpzero	Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
Dec 04 08:44:35 warpzero	C-beams glittering by the Tannhauser Gate.
Dec 04 08:45:10 bonsaikitten	hrmmm ... that sounds familiar
Dec 04 08:45:20 bonsaikitten	say, do you travel a lot in time?
Dec 04 08:45:29 warpzero	blade runner
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Dec 04 09:03:45 araujo	jforman, :-]
Dec 04 09:04:10 trombik|vapor	is anyone working on  Fedora Directory Server?
Dec 04 09:04:17 araujo	jforman, I actually thought i had more packages. But i really don't use too many appli but of development stuff.
Dec 04 09:04:31 dsd_	trombik|vapor: i think there is a maintainer-wanted bug for it
Dec 04 09:04:35 genone	trombik|vapor: was thinking about it, but then I'm happy with my openldap setup
Dec 04 09:04:50 *	genone hasn't seen a feature matrix between the two yet
Dec 04 09:05:00 araujo	amne, that's like 1000 in this box :-]
Dec 04 09:05:26 amne	araujo: heh
Dec 04 09:05:27 trombik|vapor	dsd_: yes, i found bug 104554
Dec 04 09:05:30 GenBot	trombik|vapor: Bug 104554; "Request for EBuild for Fedora Directory Ldap Server"; [Gentoo Linux :: Server]; {NEW}; Mark->Default Assignee for New Packages; http://bugs.gentoo.org/104554
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Dec 04 09:11:13 solar	anybody use evolution with it's spellchecking? I'm wondering if anybody knows how to remove user added entries from it's dictionary. grepping in ~/.evo* with -R does not yeild anything
Dec 04 09:12:03 axxo	does it use aspell? ~/.aspell*
Dec 04 09:12:31 bonsaikitten	~/.gnome* ~/.gconf*  ?
Dec 04 09:13:29 solar	seems to be the ~/.aspell thanks axxo
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Dec 04 09:28:24 SuperLag	jforman: 633? rebuilding the box?
Dec 04 09:28:30 jforman	SuperLag: yup
Dec 04 09:28:57 jforman	1133709548:  >>> emerge (416 of 633) media-gfx/gimp-2.2.8-r1 to /
Dec 04 09:29:22 SuperLag	:)
Dec 04 09:29:33 phreak``	jforman: 633 packages in world ?! doah :P
Dec 04 09:29:33 Chainsaw	jforman: I hope that it's not an amd64, then.
Dec 04 09:29:33 SuperLag	It would only take me 261 packages to rebuild for this box.
Dec 04 09:29:44 jforman	heh no, p4/2.8
Dec 04 09:29:51 SuperLag	Linux zoom 2.6.14-gentoo-r4 #1 Fri Dec 2 20:20:35 CST 2005 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
Dec 04 09:29:52 bonsaikitten	the real metric is the portage counter
Dec 04 09:29:57 jforman	the download was 927M
Dec 04 09:30:13 jforman	but ~200M of that was OOo2
Dec 04 09:30:13 Chainsaw	jforman: Okay, good. Because on amd64 perl would explode right in your face.
Dec 04 09:30:19 bonsaikitten	cat /var/cache/edb/counter
Dec 04 09:30:19 bonsaikitten	23878
Dec 04 09:30:28 Chainsaw	jforman: Well, not perl itself, but everything that wants to link against it's dynaloader.
Dec 04 09:30:29 blubb	Chainsaw: huh?
Dec 04 09:30:35 jforman	bonsaikitten: whats that?
Dec 04 09:30:57 bonsaikitten	jforman, number of packages merged since install
Dec 04 09:31:03 SuperLag	Chainsaw: hold on just a sec.  Got some info on that.
Dec 04 09:31:03 Chainsaw	blubb: Hold on, I'll compile xchat-gnome for you and show you the works.
Dec 04 09:31:19 jforman	bonsaikitten: 5316
Dec 04 09:31:46 Chainsaw	SuperLag: A fix would be highly appreciated.
Dec 04 09:32:03 SuperLag	Chainsaw: I'm not sure on the fix.  Or if this guys fix is valid.
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Dec 04 09:32:19 Chainsaw	I CC'd myself on the bug and haven't seen any updates yet.
Dec 04 09:32:45 Chainsaw	/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
Dec 04 09:32:46 Chainsaw	/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
Dec 04 09:32:46 Chainsaw	collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Dec 04 09:32:48 Chainsaw	And there you have it.
Dec 04 09:33:09 blubb	ouch
Dec 04 09:33:13 blubb	is there a bug for it?
Dec 04 09:33:15 Chainsaw	There is, yes.
Dec 04 09:33:27 blubb	care to tell me which one? ;)
Dec 04 09:33:33 Chainsaw	I'd have to look it up.
Dec 04 09:34:11 Chainsaw	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114371
Dec 04 09:34:16 blubb	thanks
Dec 04 09:35:12 *	jakub pokes mcummings ;p
Dec 04 09:36:04 beejay|o1f	I have cold feet :/
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Dec 04 09:37:09 jakub	better now? ;p
Dec 04 09:37:18 beejay|o1f	tz
Dec 04 09:37:25 beejay|o1f	silly slowak
Dec 04 09:37:56 jakub	bleh... Slovakia is bit more east ;p
Dec 04 09:38:30 jakub	expect slaps from Ticho :D
Dec 04 09:38:36 beejay|o1f	gah
Dec 04 09:38:48 beejay|o1f	I confused you and him
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Dec 04 09:40:54 Chainsaw	Anyone good at squashing CPP warnings?
Dec 04 09:41:20 Chainsaw	I mean C++, sorry.
Dec 04 09:41:31 spb	depends what sort of warnings they are
Dec 04 09:41:38 spb	and how many stupid libraries you're using
Dec 04 09:41:46 Chainsaw	Gym_Emu.cpp:67: warning: passing `double' for converting 1 of `const char* YM2612_Emu::set_rate(long int, long int)'
Dec 04 09:41:47 Chainsaw	Gym_Emu.cpp:223: warning: converting to `blip_time_t' from `double'
Dec 04 09:41:53 Chainsaw	Nes_Namco.cpp:63:23: warning: multi-character character constant
Dec 04 09:42:34 Chainsaw	They are higher in quantity, but consider this a summary.
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Dec 04 09:43:29 spb	pastebin the code
Dec 04 09:43:46 Chainsaw	Would an SVN repository be any good? :)
Dec 04 09:43:59 Chainsaw	It's a rather large collection of things.
Dec 04 09:44:05 spb	more effort on my part => no
Dec 04 09:44:32 Chainsaw	Okay.
Dec 04 09:44:47 spb	i'm fundamentally lazy, especially when it comes to helping people ;p
Dec 04 09:44:53 Chainsaw	I'm prepared to offer a bounty for it if all warnings are squashed.
Dec 04 09:46:02 *	Chainsaw has been squashing C warnings all day, but C++ seems too different to bother
Dec 04 09:46:23 spb	most C++ warnings are either completely harmless, or easy enough to get rid of
Dec 04 09:46:30 *	Chainsaw shrugs
Dec 04 09:46:42 spb	as long as you're not using CV++6
Dec 04 09:46:44 spb	VC++, that is
Dec 04 09:46:53 Chainsaw	I don't want to bother, so if you want something nice I can order by credit card, here's your chance.
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Dec 04 09:47:22 spb	point me to it then ;p
Dec 04 09:47:31 jakub	heh
Dec 04 09:47:40 Chainsaw	http://audacious-media-player.org/SVN
Dec 04 09:47:51 Chainsaw	Problematic code is in trunk/Plugins/input/console
Dec 04 09:48:53 Chainsaw	I hereby state the bounty to be 40 if you squash all warnings in the C++ code in that dir on GCC 3.4.4, you can convert that to your own currency.
Dec 04 09:49:21 spb	those boxes being what?
Dec 04 09:49:27 blubb	probably euros
Dec 04 09:49:32 spb	GBP or euro?
Dec 04 09:49:32 bonsaikitten	euros
Dec 04 09:49:37 Chainsaw	That's a eurosign, yes.
Dec 04 09:49:44 bonsaikitten	you non-unicode wabbits ;-)
Dec 04 09:49:49 spb	bonsaikitten: blame infra
Dec 04 09:50:05 bonsaikitten	spb, I usually do, but they don't care, so I no longer do ;-)
Dec 04 09:50:29 bonsaikitten	or something like that
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Dec 04 09:53:04 Chainsaw	spb: Bounty expires 23:59 today; I have test files for the decoders that are implemented, needless to say you can't break functionality.
Dec 04 09:53:19 spb	fun
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Dec 04 10:00:44 Chainsaw	I'll be back later, I have a glitchy 50-pin SCSI bus to attend to.
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Dec 04 10:26:15 spb	Chainsaw: btw, when you say squash all warnings, is that intended to mean 'compiles cleanly with -Wall -Werror' ?
Dec 04 10:27:44 Chainsaw	spb: Does not emit warnings when compiled with the current build system, and still works.
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Dec 04 10:28:12 spb	well, i just shoved a -Werror onto CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS in the makefile
Dec 04 10:28:58 Chainsaw	*nod* You may want to modify the Makefile.am in Plugins/input to exclude everything but console.
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Dec 04 10:29:54 spb	eh, i ran configure in trunk/ and then just edited the generated Makefile in console
Dec 04 10:30:13 Chainsaw	Okay :)
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Dec 04 10:35:55 spb	Chainsaw: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/tmp/audacious-console-warnings.diff
Dec 04 10:36:06 spb	afaict that cleans the warnings in that dir
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Dec 04 10:37:20 Chainsaw	amalthea ~ # emerge audacious &> audacious.buildlog
Dec 04 10:37:22 Chainsaw	Now we wait :)
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Dec 04 10:38:19 spb	most are just implicit double->int casts, which should be fairly harmless, but apparently the default setup warns on them, so i made them explicit
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Dec 04 10:39:50 agaffney	does anyone live in an area where cans/bottles of Dr. Slice (soda distributed by Pepsi) are sold?
Dec 04 10:40:23 geoman	agaffney: don't they sell that in St. Louis?
Dec 04 10:40:40 agaffney	geoman: no, it's only available here in fountain form
Dec 04 10:40:57 agaffney	it's only sold in areas where Pepsi doesn't distribute Dr. Pepper
Dec 04 10:41:00 geoman	agaffney: weird, I was really sure you could get it
Dec 04 10:41:07 geoman	it was in the vending machines down in Rolla, at least
Dec 04 10:41:14 agaffney	geoman: maybe in the past, but not anytime in the last few years
Dec 04 10:41:21 agaffney	geoman: really? hmm
Dec 04 10:41:31 geoman	yeah, my wife used to get it all the time
Dec 04 10:41:36 geoman	awful nasty stuff...
Dec 04 10:41:41 agaffney	I actually like it
Dec 04 10:41:46 agaffney	my wife *loves* it
Dec 04 10:42:03 geoman	I don't see how anyone can drink Dr. $VOMIT
Dec 04 10:42:11 *	agaffney asks his friend in Rolla
Dec 04 10:43:22 Chainsaw	spb: That looks just fine. GBS plays; trying SPC & NSF now.
Dec 04 10:43:46 Chainsaw	All good.
Dec 04 10:43:51 Chainsaw	We shall discuss payment :)
Dec 04 10:44:09 spb	Nes_Vrc6 and Nes_Namco are the ones i might have broken
Dec 04 10:44:37 Chainsaw	That's etiher SPC or NSF.
Dec 04 10:44:41 Chainsaw	s/etiher/either/
Dec 04 10:45:03 spb	ok, i take it that ugly macro worked then
Dec 04 10:45:10 spb	check it on something BE though ;p
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Dec 04 10:45:38 Chainsaw	Alright. Does anyone have a BE machine available, I don't?
Dec 04 10:45:46 spb	as of yesterday, no
Dec 04 10:47:59 lu_zero	Chainsaw ?
Dec 04 10:48:05 Chainsaw	lu_zero: Yes?
Dec 04 10:48:13 lu_zero	what you need?
Dec 04 10:48:35 Chainsaw	lu_zero: I need you to build the latest audacious from CVS and play a test file for me, if that's okay.
Dec 04 10:48:56 Chainsaw	s/CVS/SVN/
Dec 04 10:49:16 lu_zero	Chainsaw tell me who
Dec 04 10:49:24 agaffney	geoman: my friend doesn't know off the top of his head, but he's gonna look
Dec 04 10:49:32 *	lu_zero needs someone test some stuff on ffmpeg btw
Dec 04 10:50:42 Chainsaw	lu_zero: Just committed it; http://audacious-media-player.org/SVN
Dec 04 10:50:51 solar	the other guys on the media herd would seem like the next victims to get to test
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Dec 04 10:52:22 lu_zero	Chainsaw btw
Dec 04 10:52:35 lu_zero	could be possible have audacity with jack support?
Dec 04 10:53:37 lu_zero	hi Pylon
Dec 04 10:54:23 Chainsaw	lu_zero: audacity != audacious.
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Dec 04 10:54:53 lu_zero	I know
Dec 04 10:54:56 Chainsaw	lu_zero: If I had a euro for every time I have heard the two mixed up, I would have paid spb double of what he got now.
Dec 04 10:55:19 lu_zero	but that is one of the pending request I have for media-sound ^^
Dec 04 10:55:30 Chainsaw	I don't do jack support, sorry.
Dec 04 10:55:34 *	Chainsaw has no use for that stuff
Dec 04 10:56:23 lu_zero	who should harass for getting it?
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Dec 04 10:56:51 Chainsaw	You mean an active sound herd member?
Dec 04 10:56:59 Chainsaw	Try Flameeyes.
Dec 04 10:57:24 lu_zero	^^
Dec 04 10:57:31 lu_zero	he'll kill me =)
Dec 04 10:59:38 kerframil	amne: ping
Dec 04 11:00:02 amne	kerframil: what's up?
Dec 04 11:00:07 kerframil	hi there
Dec 04 11:00:47 kerframil	amne: a user who recently undertook the procedures described in your nice guide had issues because he misread "-1" as "-l"
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Dec 04 11:01:02 kerframil	he subsequently suggested that it might be better to write it in longform (--oneshot)
Dec 04 11:01:05 spb	call him an idiot and move on
Dec 04 11:01:05 kerframil	do you think there's any merit in this?
Dec 04 11:01:37 kito	lu_zero you should harrass upstream
Dec 04 11:01:44 lu_zero	why?
Dec 04 11:01:52 lu_zero	audacity has jack support
Dec 04 11:01:56 kito	becuase thats where it should be implented
Dec 04 11:01:58 amne	kerframil: heh, let's just hope he doesn't change his CFLAGS to "-02"
Dec 04 11:02:03 kerframil	amne: heh
Dec 04 11:02:03 lu_zero	it isn't just enable in the ebuild
Dec 04 11:02:07 kito	lu_zero since when?
Dec 04 11:02:14 lu_zero	ages?
Dec 04 11:02:16 marienz	kerframil: what "issues"? -l is --changelog, it should spam a bunch of logs and add stuff to the world file you may not want there, but shouldn't be fatal.
Dec 04 11:02:24 amne	hahaha
Dec 04 11:02:43 amne	marienz: thanks for proving the point of the problem. it was -1 as in one ;-)
Dec 04 11:02:49 lu_zero	I wonder when it got functional
Dec 04 11:02:52 marienz	amne: I am aware of that.
Dec 04 11:02:59 kito	lu_zero ahh. Well, comment on the the recent bugs that richard filed with the 1.2.4 update
Dec 04 11:03:00 lu_zero	but given is part of portaudio
Dec 04 11:03:04 marienz	amne: what I'm saying is using -l instead of -1 shouldn't cause any serious "issues".
Dec 04 11:03:10 kito	lu_zero huh?
Dec 04 11:03:13 lu_zero	kito url?
Dec 04 11:03:24 amne	marienz: ah, i guessed you misread it as well
Dec 04 11:03:30 lu_zero	kito make it use portaudio 19 and you get alsa jack and whatelse
Dec 04 11:03:45 kerframil	marienz: it also implies -p. it caused confusion and he said "perhaps I would not be the only one". personally, I'm not bothered one way or the other - just thought I'd mention it.
Dec 04 11:03:45 lu_zero	it includes already portaudio 19 support
Dec 04 11:03:47 lu_zero	so
Dec 04 11:03:52 marienz	amne: I've literally had dozens of people who misread me when I suggest them to use -1. I won't misread that one :)
Dec 04 11:03:58 lu_zero	could be just a matter of useflags
Dec 04 11:04:00 lu_zero	or not
Dec 04 11:04:08 lu_zero	=)
Dec 04 11:04:14 marienz	kerframil: aaahh, didn't know that since I always use -l with -a, in which case it doesn't imply -p :)
Dec 04 11:04:18 amne	well, if someone uses -l instead of -1 he'll add id to the world file, there are worse things. still it may be a good idea to change it.
Dec 04 11:04:22 kito	lu_zero bug 113948
Dec 04 11:04:25 GenBot	kito: Bug 113948; "media-sound/audacity: bump request"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Richard Ash->Gentoo Sound Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/113948
Dec 04 11:04:33 kito	lu_zero portaudio != jack
Dec 04 11:04:40 amne	someone may want to ask Halcy0n or wolfo about it
Dec 04 11:04:41 marienz	amne: so add -a/--ask to sort of work around it :)
Dec 04 11:04:44 kito	i know it has a jack driver
Dec 04 11:04:56 kerframil	marienz: and, I'm sure I need not remind you, confusion is the last thing you want your typical user to be undergoing during such a sensitive procedure ;)
Dec 04 11:05:04 kito	but I've still never heard of anyone using audacity with jack directly
Dec 04 11:05:25 lu_zero	I'd like to
Dec 04 11:05:52 kito	ok
Dec 04 11:05:58 kito	I think I see what youa re talking about now
Dec 04 11:06:07 kito	I don't think thats in any official release yet
Dec 04 11:06:24 kito	its in cvs AFAIK
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Dec 04 11:06:54 lu_zero	=/
Dec 04 11:07:05 kito	reading over the LAD archives, sounds like its pretty buggy still
Dec 04 11:07:18 kito	but if you want, comment ont hat bug
Dec 04 11:07:25 kito	that guy richard is an upstream dev
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Dec 04 11:08:12 lu_zero	=)
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Dec 04 11:25:15 geoman	jforman: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_on_fe_st/sweden_christmas_goat
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Dec 04 11:28:10 jforman	geoman: really, posting goat stories is more important than raising your 2.0 ?
Dec 04 11:28:41 spb	how would it not be?
Dec 04 11:28:59 jforman	true. the kid is already screwed, i mean look at the father...
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Dec 04 11:29:56 spb	exactly
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Dec 04 11:36:35 genstef	still no ~x86 keyword in spca5xx ..
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Dec 04 11:36:51 lu_zero	Chainsaw vorbis sounds fine
Dec 04 11:37:24 MetalGOD	hi
Dec 04 11:39:52 nerdboy	mornin'
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Dec 04 11:44:14 Carlo	jforman: are you doing spamassassin because it's perl or are you the true master of this piece of software?
Dec 04 11:44:33 jforman	eh?
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Dec 04 11:47:49 Carlo	jforman: not that i have problems configuring or so, but since I updated to 3.1 I had an enormous unfiltered  spam increase, the most simple stuff went through - got better after a while, as if spamassassin had to relearn - still worse than with 3.0 though
Dec 04 11:48:05 jforman	not sure what this has to do with me ?
Dec 04 11:48:14 axxo	!meta spamassassin
Dec 04 11:48:18 jeeves	axxo: Package: mail-filter/spamassassin  Herd: perl Maintainer: [e-mail]
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Dec 04 11:49:16 Carlo	jforman: oops, sorry mixed you with mcummings
Dec 04 11:49:32 jforman	heh, figured as much.
Dec 04 11:50:05 Carlo	btw. did you got enough bugzilla testing?
Dec 04 11:50:25 jforman	seems so. hopefully i should be able to finally put the upgrade in this week. university has been preempting me constantly
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Dec 04 11:55:59 SpanKY	Griffon26: pong
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Dec 04 12:06:09 Griffon26	SpanKY: hey, I wanted to talk to you about a change to the toolchain eclass
Dec 04 12:08:08 Griffon26	SpanKY: to give some background, if one has built one's gcc with -fstack-protector, building valgrind with this gcc will fail
Dec 04 12:08:22 Halcy0n	!herd accessibility
Dec 04 12:08:23 jeeves	Halcy0n: (accessibility) dmwaters, eradicator, leonardop, williamh, zx
Dec 04 12:08:27 Halcy0n	^^ping
Dec 04 12:08:45 jakub	Halcy0n: I've already tried, no luck ;)
Dec 04 12:08:57 Griffon26	SpanKY: the reason for this is that valgrind links to libgcc, but not to glibc -> __guard and __stack_smash_handler are unresolved
Dec 04 12:09:27 Halcy0n	jakub: well, I'll just fix it myself soon then.
Dec 04 12:10:22 Griffon26	SpanKY: now I talked to psm, who seems to be someone knowledgable when it comes to hardened, and he proposed some changes to toolchain.eclass
Dec 04 12:10:44 Griffon26	SpanKY: I'd like to ask you to take a look at what he proposed
Dec 04 12:10:49 jakub	Halcy0n: yeah, that really sucks, besides, the 3.3 patch does not even exist in $FILESDIR unless I've missed something
Dec 04 12:11:29 Halcy0n	jakub: you missed something.
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Dec 04 12:11:54 jakub	ah, I see now
Dec 04 12:11:55 SpanKY	Griffon26: erm, k ?
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Dec 04 12:12:11 Griffon26	SpanKY: it should be something like this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/brufom53.html
Dec 04 12:12:24 ciaranm	what's a .vob file?
Dec 04 12:12:31 Griffon26	ciaranm: are you serious?
Dec 04 12:12:53 ciaranm	Griffon26: well i know it's used by some obscure storage management programs for indexing tapes...
Dec 04 12:12:57 Griffon26	ciaranm: it's a video file as it is stored on the udf fs of a dvd
Dec 04 12:13:06 tsunam	ciaranm: ?_? dvd raw file
Dec 04 12:13:12 SpanKY	heh
Dec 04 12:13:17 SpanKY	ciaranm: you goddamn noob
Dec 04 12:13:17 ciaranm	ugh. what can turn it into something sensible?
Dec 04 12:13:24 SpanKY	transcode ?
Dec 04 12:13:31 SpanKY	xine/mplayer can read raw .vob's
Dec 04 12:13:31 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, if it's encrypted you can't legally ;-)
Dec 04 12:13:43 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: yes i can!
Dec 04 12:13:45 SpanKY	dvdbackup will remove the encryption
Dec 04 12:13:45 tsunam	you could vobcopy it ;)
Dec 04 12:13:49 Griffon26	bonsaikitten_: not everybody is in the us
Dec 04 12:13:52 SpanKY	`emerge dvdbackup`
Dec 04 12:14:05 SpanKY	it'll extract all the files off a dvd, minus gay encryption
Dec 04 12:14:17 SpanKY	then you could use transcode and stuff to shrink/reencode/whatever
Dec 04 12:14:20 kito	dvdbackup is the hotness
Dec 04 12:14:26 solar	who is patrick@gentoo ?
Dec 04 12:14:31 SpanKY	bonsaikitten
Dec 04 12:14:32 bonsaikitten_	solar, me?
Dec 04 12:14:38 tsunam	well aacss comes out it'll be "interesting"
Dec 04 12:14:48 tsunam	s/well/when/
Dec 04 12:14:58 SpanKY	Griffon26: i dont really know what that change is doing, better to ask solar and kevquinn
Dec 04 12:15:09 solar	bonasa: I see error after error in all the GWN's
Dec 04 12:15:11 SpanKY	if they approve it i'll add it ... i dont generally follow hardened stuff wrt to gcc/ssp
Dec 04 12:15:15 bonsaikitten_	solar, hmmm?
Dec 04 12:15:27 solar	typos/ misquotes/ near lies
Dec 04 12:15:38 ciaranm	solar: you only just noticed?
Dec 04 12:15:40 bonsaikitten_	solar, examples?
Dec 04 12:15:54 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: example: everything you've ever said about the news GLEP
Dec 04 12:15:58 KingTaco	Halcy0n, ping
Dec 04 12:16:04 Halcy0n	KingTaco: pong
Dec 04 12:16:15 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, I'd appreciate a correct summary from someone incompetent then
Dec 04 12:16:18 Griffon26	solar: what do you think about the CRTSTUFF_CFLAGS line? I have the feeling it's superfluous
Dec 04 12:16:32 KingTaco	Halcy0n, are you the person to talk to about gcc-3.4 on x86?
Dec 04 12:16:32 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: why didn't you ask *before* publishing it?
Dec 04 12:16:43 solar	typos = splut debug. You quote a typo of a subject line. misquotes of blogs/brix ; the topper is the last statement about the stages
Dec 04 12:16:50 Halcy0n	KingTaco: I seem to be.  What's broken now?
Dec 04 12:16:51 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, what exactly?
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Dec 04 12:17:30 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: it'd be easier to give you a list of "stuff you got right"...
Dec 04 12:17:34 KingTaco	Halcy0n, I'm not using the hardened profile, but I am using USE=hardened, upgrading to 3.4.4-r1, and I'm erroring out on xgcc: spec failure: unrecognized spec option 'v'
Dec 04 12:17:47 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, well ... I'll give you a list of ciaranm's contributions: (    )
Dec 04 12:17:53 solar	please dont take everything you hear blindly. It can often be wrong. stage[1-2] still provide a major benefit. simply cuz wolf cant cope does not mean it's fact
Dec 04 12:18:02 KingTaco	Halcy0n, 'p' as well
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Dec 04 12:18:12 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: ah. so you'd rather publish crap than not publish anything?
Dec 04 12:18:29 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, no, I'd rather put you on ignore and do something productive
Dec 04 12:18:37 bonsaikitten_	but ignore is childish
Dec 04 12:18:50 ian|static	what about /kick then?
Dec 04 12:19:08 bonsaikitten_	ah
Dec 04 12:19:13 bonsaikitten_	or devoice :-)
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Dec 04 12:19:28 Griffon26	kevquinn: you there?
Dec 04 12:19:40 ciaranm	*shrug* next time you publish anything incorrect about anything upon which i work, i'm going to ask pr to start sending out corrections
Dec 04 12:20:05 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, send a mail to gwn-feedback@ ... it's not hard to do
Dec 04 12:20:26 ciaranm	*cough* black hole *cough*
Dec 04 12:20:30 solar	feedback after the fact?
Dec 04 12:20:31 bonsaikitten_	no it isn't
Dec 04 12:20:50 KingTaco	Halcy0n, I'm trying adding boundschecking to USE flags, maybe that'll help it along
Dec 04 12:21:01 ciaranm	i have a better idea. before you publish anything, email the relevant people (or -core) and ask for feedback, and leave sufficient time for a response
Dec 04 12:21:04 KingTaco	Halcy0n, though I suspect it's something else
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Dec 04 12:21:13 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, so you'll do the GWN?
Dec 04 12:21:15 Halcy0n	KingTaco: I don't really test the hardened stuff, may want to poke the solar or the hardened guys.
Dec 04 12:21:30 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: no, but i'll proofread and correct anything you write about my stuff
Dec 04 12:21:32 KingTaco	Halcy0n, you think this is hardened specific?
Dec 04 12:21:45 Halcy0n	I don't understand this argument with the GWN.  We don't have anything to publish, so we make up crap.  Hmm...why not just make it every 2 weeks then?  Gasp...that might make sense.
Dec 04 12:22:03 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, doesn't make any difference
Dec 04 12:22:11 Halcy0n	KingTaco: well, seeing as how you mentioned hardened in your USE, yea :)  And since I haven't heard anything from anyone else.
Dec 04 12:22:16 bonsaikitten_	we;d still have the same timeframe for working on it
Dec 04 12:22:38 solar	what does make a difference is getting feedback from -core before the fact like in the olddays
Dec 04 12:22:38 KingTaco	solar, have you been following my conversation with Halcy0n?  any insights?
Dec 04 12:22:44 Halcy0n	So, 10 minutes before you want to put it out?  Seems like you guys have a problem them.
Dec 04 12:22:46 bonsaikitten_	solar, the use of stage1 for the "default user" is limited I'd say
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Dec 04 12:23:16 bonsaikitten_	solar, oya3un has stated multiple times that real life keep him from doing that
Dec 04 12:23:34 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, well ... only so much one and a half person can do
Dec 04 12:23:34 solar	kingtaco|work: no I'm kinda ignoring it till the GWN thing finds a balance
Dec 04 12:23:35 hansmi	!herd php
Dec 04 12:23:36 jeeves	hansmi: (php) beu, chtekk, robbat2, sebastian, stuart, tomk, voxus
Dec 04 12:23:48 amne	all i can say about the gwn is that i've actively submitted things to the gwn every now and then. saves them the work to write somehting, keeps the errors low and always worked fine for me
Dec 04 12:23:51 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: then get more people, don't make excuses.  Either do it right, or not at all.
Dec 04 12:24:00 hansmi	ping ^, why is there no php-5.1.1.ebuild in portage yet?
Dec 04 12:24:09 KingTaco	solar, blah, ok.  if I can't hack it out I'll bug you later
Dec 04 12:24:15 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, do you want me to spam -core every day until somebody responds?
Dec 04 12:24:33 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, I've asked multiple times for some more support with no real reactions
Dec 04 12:24:39 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: seems like something for -dev, and 1 email should be sufficient.  If no one responds, maybe that says somethinga bout the GWN.
Dec 04 12:24:47 CHTEKK	hansmi,  cause we're working on it ;) you can grab it from our overlay
Dec 04 12:24:49 Halcy0n	Personally, I'll use my blog if I want to communicate with people.
Dec 04 12:24:53 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: if you want support, mail drafts to -core at least 48h before publication
Dec 04 12:24:55 bonsaikitten_	and I only got involved with the GWN because noone else did :-)
Dec 04 12:25:05 CHTEKK	we still need to finalize some stuff and patches before we put the new versions into Portage
Dec 04 12:25:06 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, so you'll be the editor then?
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Dec 04 12:25:14 hansmi	CHTEKK: Are any patches needed? Because I have my own ebuild for my server.
Dec 04 12:25:15 Halcy0n	Again, maybe this tells us the GWN is not wanted/needed anymore.
Dec 04 12:25:20 solar	he already stated what he would do
Dec 04 12:25:23 *	Griffon26 starts yet another gcc merge
Dec 04 12:25:29 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: the editor, singular? er, no. that wouldn't help
Dec 04 12:25:32 Griffon26	this is almost as much fun as debugging a mythtv/mysql problem
Dec 04 12:25:34 CHTEKK	hansmi,  not really, only one to fix a configure rebuilding error
Dec 04 12:25:47 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, ok, s/the/one of the/
Dec 04 12:25:51 Halcy0n	KingTaco: what compiler are you coming from?  3.3.6?
Dec 04 12:25:55 solar	and it gives everybody else involved a chance to speakup about anything they notice before misprints go out.
Dec 04 12:26:03 KingTaco	Halcy0n, 335 iirc
Dec 04 12:26:06 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: sure, when i'm around. as would most other people on -core
Dec 04 12:26:11 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, it's wanted by the userbase, I can't help it :-)
Dec 04 12:26:28 KingTaco	Halcy0n, i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6-vanilla *
Dec 04 12:26:34 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, so you'd be doing some work every Friday to put the GWN together?
Dec 04 12:26:36 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: and since when does the userbase know what is good for them?  I'd rather them not know what is going on rather than get the wrong information.
Dec 04 12:26:43 hansmi	CHTEKK: thanks, I'll fetch the tarball, then.
Dec 04 12:26:45 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: huh?
Dec 04 12:26:58 Halcy0n	But, I feel we are talking to a brick wall anyway.
Dec 04 12:27:03 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, well ... if the GWN happens regularly we need regular contributors
Dec 04 12:27:08 bonsaikitten_	like ... every week
Dec 04 12:27:18 bonsaikitten_	and not "ooh I'm bored let's bash the GWN"
Dec 04 12:27:19 ciaranm	so mail it to -core 48h before publication
Dec 04 12:27:41 CHTEKK	hansmi, np :) it should be in Portage in 3-4 days max if all goes like planned
Dec 04 12:27:45 *	bonsaikitten_ has kicked bonsaikitten_ from #gentoo-dev (I'm outa here, too many evil thoughts coming up)
Dec 04 12:27:59 ciaranm	ah, how useful
Dec 04 12:28:01 solar	he seems useless
Dec 04 12:28:09 Halcy0n	s/seems/is/
Dec 04 12:28:27 ciaranm	oh well, i'm just going to start demanding corrections published on the main gentoo.org news list. i suggest everyone else does the same
Dec 04 12:28:41 Halcy0n	I'm still waiting on this Cygwin port of Gentoo.  And apparently he's part of the x86 team as well.
Dec 04 12:28:53 Halcy0n	Perhaps someone from devrel could update his roles to reflect he is _not_ part of the x86 team.
Dec 04 12:29:06 lu_zero	^^;
Dec 04 12:29:06 hansmi	Halcy0n: Cygwin isn't going to happen soon, as far as I know.
Dec 04 12:29:13 ciaranm	s/soon/ever
Dec 04 12:29:15 amne	i doubt anything useful is coming from this whole debate
Dec 04 12:29:36 solar	we dont want a cygwin port. It's already been decided that's not the type of userbase we want/need
Dec 04 12:29:38 Halcy0n	hansmi: well, I don't see anything ever mentioned about it.  It looks like that's what he's supposed to be workingo n though.
Dec 04 12:29:43 KingTaco	amne, more like a witch hunt
Dec 04 12:29:45 Chainsaw	amne: Please let it happen on IRC like this. Before you know it it floods my inbox again.
Dec 04 12:29:46 ciaranm	amne: well no, because bonsaikitten is sticking his fingers in his ears, going nyah nyah nyah and continuing to stick his excrement all over the place
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Dec 04 12:30:00 Halcy0n	KingTaco: you are devrel right?  Could you please update his roles to reflect what I just mentioned?
Dec 04 12:30:07 amne	we're still all a part of the same thing called gentoo, that's what should count
Dec 04 12:30:30 spb	amne: and therefore we all should want to avoid seeing it go to shit
Dec 04 12:30:30 KingTaco	Halcy0n, probibly
Dec 04 12:30:43 KingTaco	Halcy0n, why is he on there
Dec 04 12:30:55 ciaranm	amne: would you be slightly upset if GWN posted a news item saying that the forums are going to start requiring $5 for anyone to open an account or continue using an existing account, and listing your email address as the guy behind it all?
Dec 04 12:30:57 Halcy0n	KingTaco: prior to the team's creation, aka, nfc.
Dec 04 12:31:00 solar	as long as gentoo resources/logo's are used for the GWN we should have some sort of input
Dec 04 12:31:25 KingTaco	Halcy0n, 1 sec
Dec 04 12:31:30 Halcy0n	KingTaco: thank you.
Dec 04 12:31:45 amne	and fwiw i'm pretty sure will be a GWN this week and i'm pretty sure it should feature gcc on x86, so i'll write a few sentences, put it on my dev space for everyone to complain and send it to gwn-feedback
Dec 04 12:32:45 Halcy0n	amne: make sure they don't accidently copy it wrong and say it was gcc-4.0.
Dec 04 12:33:25 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, write a notice to gwn-feedback
Dec 04 12:34:16 Halcy0n	I don't care if its in the GWN or not.  I doubt it reaches that many more people that haven't seen my notice elsewhere.
Dec 04 12:34:22 Merlin	why would bootstrap simply exit with ">>> No outdated packages were found on your system."  -- i thought bootstrap was supposed to recompile everything regardless of whether you needed it or not
Dec 04 12:34:44 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, nah, only 70-80.000, not that many
Dec 04 12:35:18 axxo	only 13000 ppl on the wm
Dec 04 12:35:19 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: you seem to miss the point.  How many of those people do not read other parts of the Gentoo website or are on other mailing lists or the forums that would have seen this information?
Dec 04 12:35:20 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: so you have no qualms about giving deliberate misinformation to 70k users?
Dec 04 12:35:59 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, I'm doing the best _I_ can, and I'm quite happy with the results I get
Dec 04 12:36:02 Halcy0n	I think more people read my blog than read GWN if its only 80k.
Dec 04 12:36:13 bonsaikitten_	far from perfect, but I'm not a trained journalist or anything ...
Dec 04 12:36:48 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: so you consider it better to mislead 70k users than to not publish anything at all?
Dec 04 12:37:29 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, if those people read it and are happy with it ... noone forces them to read the GWN
Dec 04 12:37:39 bonsaikitten_	but it's one of the few working gentoo PR elements
Dec 04 12:37:45 ciaranm	working? er, no.
Dec 04 12:38:00 bonsaikitten_	working as in reaching people? yes
Dec 04 12:38:30 ciaranm	oh, so you think it's working because you give misinformation to lots of users?
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Dec 04 12:38:41 bonsaikitten_	no, you're wording my twist
Dec 04 12:38:55 Halcy0n	I think you are just ignoring our concerns.
Dec 04 12:38:57 bonsaikitten_	no
Dec 04 12:39:17 spb	ok, so if you're not ignoring them, what are you doing to address them?
Dec 04 12:39:19 bonsaikitten_	I'm just saying that if you want to change it ... help!
Dec 04 12:39:29 spb	and we're offering to help
Dec 04 12:39:31 bonsaikitten_	don't whine, write an article or teo
Dec 04 12:39:33 bonsaikitten_	*two
Dec 04 12:39:38 spb	mail the draft to -core and we'll correct it
Dec 04 12:39:45 bonsaikitten_	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
Dec 04 12:39:47 Halcy0n	And give us atleast 24-48hr
Dec 04 12:40:02 bonsaikitten_	you might want to know that oya3un doesn't have the time for that
Dec 04 12:40:12 ciaranm	then publish it two days later
Dec 04 12:40:16 bonsaikitten_	as in "family, work, no TIME"
Dec 04 12:40:22 Halcy0n	Then it sounds like someone else needs to handle the GWN or you guys need to figure out how to organize your crap better.
Dec 04 12:40:29 bonsaikitten_	and I'm not going to do the GWN myself
Dec 04 12:40:36 ciaranm	if you can't put out an accurate gwn, don't put out a gwn at all
Dec 04 12:40:43 bonsaikitten_	which leaves ... YOU! to help
Dec 04 12:40:47 KingTaco	Halcy0n, going to try to build 3.4.4-r1 without hardened, then try to build it hardened
Dec 04 12:41:00 ciaranm	and we'll help. mail drafts to -core, give us 48h and actually listen to the feedback you receive
Dec 04 12:41:04 Merlin	sounds like the GWN team needs a few more people
Dec 04 12:41:08 Halcy0n	KingTaco: okay.  I think there may still be some strange issues with hardened and gcc-3.4.4, but I'm not sure.  Let me know.
Dec 04 12:41:24 ciaranm	the gwn team could quite easily have "everyone on -core" as their editing staff
Dec 04 12:41:27 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, exactly. you must be a genius since the others never figured out that one!
Dec 04 12:41:27 Halcy0n	Merlin: sounds like the GWN team needs to acknowledge there is a problem first.
Dec 04 12:41:46 bonsaikitten_	the GWN team knows that it has some serious ressource constraints
Dec 04 12:41:51 Merlin	bons: what kind of talent do you need?
Dec 04 12:41:52 Halcy0n	Merlin: because sending bad information out to 70-80k people is not wrong apparently.
Dec 04 12:42:24 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, regular contributors would be appreciated
Dec 04 12:42:53 Merlin	what about people to review contributions and handle the official logistics of a release?
Dec 04 12:42:58 Halcy0n	I say if the GWN isn't going to mail it to core 48hr beforehand, then its moved off of Gentoo infra, not allowed to use our logo, and is made completely unofficial.
Dec 04 12:43:03 bonsaikitten_	if you want you can CC yourself to gwn-feedback
Dec 04 12:43:11 ReJ	Merlin: You mean *editors*, right?
Dec 04 12:43:16 Merlin	exactly :)
Dec 04 12:43:27 ReJ	Instead of authors/editors rolled into one.
Dec 04 12:43:42 Merlin	sounds like a good idea
Dec 04 12:43:56 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, write a GLEP ;-)
Dec 04 12:44:09 ReJ	With six years experience in the translation industry, I can definitely say that editing your own work doesn't work.
Dec 04 12:44:11 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: its not officially currently, therefore a GLEP makes no sense.
Dec 04 12:44:33 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, it is de facto official
Dec 04 12:44:39 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, de jure it isn't
Dec 04 12:45:02 Merlin	having some unofficial method of posting articles sounds like a bad idea
Dec 04 12:45:21 Merlin	you just need a bigger staff to handle a larger amount of contributions
Dec 04 12:45:25 ReJ	I think you just need roles, not rules.
Dec 04 12:45:30 amne	http://dev.gentoo.org/~amne/temp/gcc.txt
Dec 04 12:45:54 amne	^^^^^^^^ please read and complain
Dec 04 12:46:21 *	bonsaikitten_ waits for the "we need 48h" complaints
Dec 04 12:46:56 Merlin	amne: i like it, except for you saying "some mysterious bug" -- you might want to reword that to make us look better :)
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Dec 04 12:47:28 ReJ	Having one or two real editors to go over the content would probably also leave opportunity to correct all those painful speeling eroorrsss.
Dec 04 12:47:38 amne	Merlin: heh, i can't even explain it well myself, so mysterious may be fitting for the users, but i guess rewording is a good idea
Dec 04 12:47:55 KingTaco	ReJ, just use aspell
Dec 04 12:47:56 ReJ	amne: s|amount|number|
Dec 04 12:48:06 ReJ	KingTaco: rofl
Dec 04 12:48:06 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, having a native english speaker would help
Dec 04 12:48:09 Merlin	and a prioritization system so that the news staff can accomodate important late breaking news, but still handle the typical bulk of work and get a newsletter out on time
Dec 04 12:48:11 Borges	or a native speake editor
Dec 04 12:48:12 KingTaco	Halcy0n, looks to be building
Dec 04 12:48:15 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Sure would.
Dec 04 12:48:17 Borges	speaker*
Dec 04 12:48:25 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: But a native speaker != a good editor.
Dec 04 12:48:31 solar	if your going to be a butthead and ask for a glep your likely going to end up with one that shuts the GWN down
Dec 04 12:48:41 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, native speaker --> headcount += 1
Dec 04 12:48:47 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: ;-)
Dec 04 12:48:55 bonsaikitten_	solar, then this silly bitching would stop ...
Dec 04 12:48:58 Merlin	bonsai: so there's no native speaker on the newsletter staff at all?
Dec 04 12:49:06 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, nope, only germans :-)
Dec 04 12:49:07 amne	Merlin: ReJ: updated, thanks
Dec 04 12:49:10 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Just sending to -core and having people be pedantic about it would probably help a lot. What's the problem with that?
Dec 04 12:49:13 ReJ	amne: :)
Dec 04 12:49:19 Merlin	bonsai: sign me up
Dec 04 12:49:29 solar	it's not silly bitching. we the devs are asking and offering to give feedback
Dec 04 12:49:39 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, oya3un doesn't have the time for that
Dec 04 12:49:39 Merlin	bonsai: you have to promise to teach me some german though
Dec 04 12:49:46 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, kein problem! :-)
Dec 04 12:49:50 solar	before the fact of it hitting end users. we dont really want to tell you whats wrong after the fact
Dec 04 12:49:57 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: FWIW, I don't believe release time is an issue at all. It doesn't matter if you post it on Monday or on Wednesday.
Dec 04 12:50:06 solar	that should not be that hard to understand
Dec 04 12:50:07 bonsaikitten_	solar, your comments were ok, but the scottish dude here has been repeating his mantra too often
Dec 04 12:50:25 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: So if you need two more days to go through -core, release later. 8-)
Dec 04 12:50:32 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, uhm ... monday = noone available to commit it
Dec 04 12:50:35 bonsaikitten_	:-)
Dec 04 12:50:48 solar	i think the scottish dude is stating the same thing.
Dec 04 12:50:54 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Then release to -core earlier. :)
Dec 04 12:50:57 Merlin	bonsai: what are the steps i need to take?
Dec 04 12:51:03 bonsaikitten_	solar, you stated specific concerns, which is good
Dec 04 12:51:15 amne	i think 2 days to wait plus getting it flamed to death slows down the process and may make the whole thing a bit unattractive
Dec 04 12:51:24 Merlin	amne: i like the revision
Dec 04 12:51:29 ReJ	amne: You're negative about the review process?
Dec 04 12:51:32 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, hmmm ... I think writing an "application mail" to gwn-feedback should be enough to pull you in
Dec 04 12:51:53 jforman	how can i see what physical partitions make up an LVM array?
Dec 04 12:51:55 amne	maybe a middle way can be found, like some reviewers that are part of the team and can do it in 6-12 hours before release.
Dec 04 12:52:07 solar	like how about all of -core
Dec 04 12:52:10 jforman	ahh nevrmind, pvdisplay
Dec 04 12:52:31 bonsaikitten_	solar, I wouldn't mind, but then someone has to find a solution to the timing problems we have
Dec 04 12:52:32 amne	ReJ: no, not really, but 48 hours on -core seems a bit harsh. we don't review blog entries at all
Dec 04 12:52:46 Kugelfang	amne: blog != GWN
Dec 04 12:52:46 ReJ	amne: I think by posting to -core for review, it's easy to filter out all the negative vibes and concentrate on the constructive comments.
Dec 04 12:53:03 ReJ	Blog entries?
Dec 04 12:53:11 solar	what timing problems. You release when it's ready. heck drop the W from it would be even better
Dec 04 12:53:32 Merlin	bonsai: sent
Dec 04 12:53:33 Halcy0n	solar: that was my suggestion.  Every 2 weeks if they can't handle getting it out correctly in a week.
Dec 04 12:53:34 amne	Kugelfang: i know, but i'm sure someone has posted something wrong there too ;-)
Dec 04 12:53:36 solar	that way your reporting things that are of use. vs hunting for things to fill the empty space
Dec 04 12:53:46 bonsaikitten_	solar, so ... uhm ... every full moon when someone feels like doing it? that'll stop working within a week
Dec 04 12:53:51 Merlin	rej: a native english speaker should help a lot... will make things go a lot faster
Dec 04 12:53:58 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, thanks!
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Dec 04 12:54:05 Merlin	rej: and I guess you'll have to be the judge of whether i'm any good :)
Dec 04 12:54:06 ReJ	Merlin: Er, sure.
Dec 04 12:54:13 ReJ	Merlin: Why me?
Dec 04 12:54:19 amne	as said, i'm not opposed to review, but a some people working on the GWN as reviewers may be more helpful in 6-12 hours than the whole -core mailing list in 48
Dec 04 12:54:21 Merlin	collective you
Dec 04 12:54:25 ReJ	Merlin: ok
Dec 04 12:54:36 Merlin	vosotros
Dec 04 12:54:48 ReJ	Merlin: For a moment I got the impression that you think I'm an English native speaker.
Dec 04 12:54:56 ReJ	;-)
Dec 04 12:55:06 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, "y'all" in english ;-)
Dec 04 12:55:12 Merlin	haha
Dec 04 12:55:50 Merlin	i don't like acknowledging that ya'll is a word :)
Dec 04 12:55:59 ReJ	LC_ALL=en_hillbilly ?
Dec 04 12:56:13 Halcy0n	s/hillbilly/redneck/
Dec 04 12:56:19 bonsaikitten_	Merlin, fo'shizzle, it's a cromulent word, man!
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Dec 04 12:57:48 solar	you really need to -core (24-48hrs) it before some devs become motivated to see it go away
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Dec 04 12:58:30 bonsaikitten_	solar, as I said, no problem, but then someone has to do the editing and correcting and cvs committing stuff
Dec 04 12:58:37 Merlin	you can't handle late-breaking important news with that policy
Dec 04 12:58:40 ReJ	solar: Maybe 24 hours is enough, or at least for now.
Dec 04 12:58:43 bonsaikitten_	any volunteers?
Dec 04 12:58:51 ReJ	solar: Anyone who really cares will read and comment.
Dec 04 12:58:52 Halcy0n	24h is definitely not enough time over a weekend.
Dec 04 12:58:56 Merlin	i think that the editors of the GWN need to build the trust of all the developers to the point where 24-48 hours notice isn't necessary
Dec 04 12:59:09 ReJ	Halcy0n: hmmm perhaps
Dec 04 12:59:11 solar	it's a start and would put us in slightly better shape than we are now
Dec 04 12:59:36 Merlin	maybe agreeing to that policy with the explicate indication that it will eventually go away
Dec 04 12:59:38 Merlin	?
Dec 04 12:59:44 ReJ	Well, maybe a 24h deadline for comments until the team gets some help with editing and releasing.
Dec 04 12:59:52 ReJ	Still better than nothing at all.
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Dec 04 13:00:04 ReJ	And you can crank up the review period later.
Dec 04 13:00:35 Halcy0n	ReJ: sounds like they can't handle any comments currently at all.
Dec 04 13:00:46 Halcy0n	48h would give them more time to handle it, so I don't understand how cutting it in half helps.
Dec 04 13:00:55 ReJ	Halcy0n: Just for the time being.
Dec 04 13:01:10 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, "they" = {me, oya3un} ... and I'm getting sick of the non-constructive criticism
Dec 04 13:01:20 Merlin	halc: well they just got some help
Dec 04 13:01:21 Merlin	maybe more soon
Dec 04 13:01:46 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: again, I haven't seen anything to -dev asking for help.
Dec 04 13:02:01 ReJ	AFAICT, it's written on Friday and Saturday, and released on Monday, so having the entire Sunday for comments is quite good for the time being, until the team gets extra hands.
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Dec 04 13:02:37 solar	flames suck i understand that. I'm not trying to flame you or the GWn here either. But if you can simply start making a habbit of saying this is the planned newsletter which will be sent out at YXZ time. 'constructive criticism is welcome' flames are rounted etc.. i think the quality of the newsletter can be improved and hopefully post flames avoided
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Dec 04 13:03:26 bonsaikitten_	solar, yes please, but we're back to square one ... who has the time to filter those suggestions, put them in and post the result?
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Dec 04 13:04:34 araujo	What's up here?
Dec 04 13:04:35 solar	if you are understaff then you need todo like the rest of the teams who post staffing needs. Perhaps mention in the GWN itelf your looking for editors
Dec 04 13:04:44 araujo	Who needs love?
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Dec 04 13:05:14 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Not back to square one, I think. You now know that many people feel that a 24-48h review period through -core is needed. Now you're just left with a staffing problem.
Dec 04 13:05:18 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: If that's all...
Dec 04 13:05:28 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, short version, yes :-)
Dec 04 13:06:09 araujo	solar, isn't tha the way it was usually done?
Dec 04 13:06:26 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, we've tried to get a preview done ... there was a period ~3 months or so ago when it happened two or three times
Dec 04 13:06:31 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: For personal reasons, I currently cannot devote any *specific* hour(s) of the week to editing GWN, but I'm certainly interested and I could volunteer somewhere in the near future (say, somewhere in the coming months).
Dec 04 13:06:35 araujo	A draft sent at sunday before posting.
Dec 04 13:07:04 dsd_	bonsaikitten_: and what was the issue last time?
Dec 04 13:07:05 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Maybe you need to write a progress update on that, including why it failed.
Dec 04 13:07:14 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Send it to -dev.
Dec 04 13:07:23 Borges	araujo: not always
Dec 04 13:07:26 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, worth a try
Dec 04 13:08:01 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: I think a couple of people have asked on -dev why the -core review process was dumped.
Dec 04 13:08:03 araujo	Borges, Well, there have been a few weeks now since the last time i saw a draft.
Dec 04 13:08:19 Borges	araujo: they used to send a draft to gwn-admin@g.o , but not anymore...afaik
Dec 04 13:08:21 bonsaikitten_	dsd_, short version: "no time"
Dec 04 13:08:31 araujo	But i think you just should re-start sending it, and period.
Dec 04 13:08:50 araujo	Borges, they also sent it to -core
Dec 04 13:08:50 ReJ	araujo++
Dec 04 13:08:58 bonsaikitten_	araujo, you should just give us an extra hour each day, period ;-)
Dec 04 13:08:59 dsd_	bonsaikitten_: "no time" as in it was difficult to post a version for review, or "no time" as in you always do it last thing sunday evening leaving no time for review under any circumstances?
Dec 04 13:09:03 SpanKY	robbat2|sleep: ping
Dec 04 13:09:09 bonsaikitten_	dsd_, the latterm, sadly
Dec 04 13:09:30 Halcy0n	"No time" == they don't care to improve the status quo.
Dec 04 13:09:34 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Then you should have asked for help back then, and nothing is stopping you from doing it right now.
Dec 04 13:09:41 araujo	bonsaikitten_, Is that really _that_ hard?
Dec 04 13:09:56 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, oh get lost, I'm spending some good time *each weekend* to get the GWN done
Dec 04 13:09:58 dsd_	bonsaikitten_: ok, cant really complain then
Dec 04 13:10:10 solar	we can tell :p
Dec 04 13:10:22 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, I only joined the GWN because *no one else* was helping
Dec 04 13:10:34 dsd_	bonsaikitten_: maybe put an article in the GWN asking for volunteers again? havent seen one recently
Dec 04 13:10:38 bonsaikitten_	I never asked to write up to 80% of a GWN ...
Dec 04 13:10:38 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: So go headhunting.
Dec 04 13:10:46 dsd_	bonsaikitten_: also pester cokehabit, he is keen to help
Dec 04 13:10:51 axxo	if you don't want todo it, don't do it :)
Dec 04 13:11:18 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: I've been checking -dev for at least half an hour now, and I haven't seen your staffing needs message yet.
Dec 04 13:11:25 bonsaikitten_	axxo, it used to be fun, until the other contributions dried out
Dec 04 13:11:54 bonsaikitten_	dsd_, good idea, thanks
Dec 04 13:12:06 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, don't panic, mon ...
Dec 04 13:12:18 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: This discussion has been going on for more than a week, and still there's no mail asking for help. Just more followups on the flamewar.
Dec 04 13:12:22 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: ok
Dec 04 13:12:34 *	ReJ refrains from panicking at this time.
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Dec 04 13:12:57 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, the last few times I asked for help I got some help the week after
Dec 04 13:13:00 bonsaikitten_	nothing more
Dec 04 13:13:41 ReJ	Er, you don't just need help, you need additional staff.
Dec 04 13:13:48 bonsaikitten_	both
Dec 04 13:14:14 ReJ	?
Dec 04 13:14:41 ReJ	ok, help from -core in reviewing the content, and an editor to review the comments and possibly even release it on Monday.
Dec 04 13:15:27 araujo	bonsaikitten_, Have you wrote an email asking for help to -core , -dev?
Dec 04 13:15:58 ReJ	araujo: Er, not help, a staff member.
Dec 04 13:16:18 ReJ	!herd gwn
Dec 04 13:16:18 jeeves	ReJ: Perhaps I'm malfunctioning?
Dec 04 13:16:21 ReJ	:)
Dec 04 13:16:24 ReJ	Structure!
Dec 04 13:16:27 Borges	maybe the gwn shouldn't be published every week, at least, until they have a regular staff
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Dec 04 13:16:42 bonsaikitten_	Borges, we have a regular staff :-) only not as large as we'd like
Dec 04 13:16:46 ReJ	Borges: Or maybe this can be fixed within a day...
Dec 04 13:17:02 ReJ	Borges: We won't know until there's a formal request for a new staff member and a position filled...
Dec 04 13:17:18 bonsaikitten_	actionism!
Dec 04 13:17:25 bonsaikitten_	fast fast fast act act act!
Dec 04 13:17:27 bonsaikitten_	:-)
Dec 04 13:17:38 araujo	You should post for GWN help in the staffing needs.
Dec 04 13:17:50 ReJ	...
Dec 04 13:18:14 araujo	If the problem is staff, well, get more of it.
Dec 04 13:18:30 bonsaikitten_	araujo, you'll help? cool!
Dec 04 13:18:47 Halcy0n	araujo: his response to your suggestion clearly states his position on the matter.
Dec 04 13:19:06 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, could you please stop annoying me?
Dec 04 13:19:15 araujo	bonsaikitten_, i doubt i could , people still correct my own english sometimes :-]
Dec 04 13:19:17 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: could you stop ignoring the problem and fix it?
Dec 04 13:19:26 ReJ	USE=-offensive emerge Halcy0n :)
Dec 04 13:19:32 bonsaikitten_	Halcy0n, I'm trying, can I rely on you as help?
Dec 04 13:19:45 *	solar likes the offensive version better
Dec 04 13:19:48 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: no.  I've yet to see you look for help.
Dec 04 13:19:50 ReJ	lol
Dec 04 13:19:51 *	bonsaikitten_ notes that suddenly all those people that yell and scream have slowly sneaked out
Dec 04 13:20:03 morfic	offensive is no longer available in the Halcy0n package, it was deprecated in version 1.2
Dec 04 13:20:24 bonsaikitten_	so ... y'all in here, slackers: who will help the GWN?
Dec 04 13:20:28 ReJ	morfic: Upstream dropped support?
Dec 04 13:20:32 bonsaikitten_	^^ asking for help
Dec 04 13:20:35 araujo	bonsaikitten_, I just fail to see somebody interested to get more people into the GWN staff.
Dec 04 13:20:42 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: No, write a formal request to -dev...
Dec 04 13:20:51 araujo	If that's the problem, well, seek help.
Dec 04 13:20:53 Halcy0n	bonsaikitten_: okay, maybe you need this spelled out in clear english once more.  "Mail your request to -dev, and put something on staffing-needs"
Dec 04 13:20:54 solar	bonsaikitten_: mail -core 24-48hrs ahead of time and you will get help
Dec 04 13:20:58 morfic	ReJ: no, just dropped a config option, and forced it to always on
Dec 04 13:21:05 ReJ	morfic: :)
Dec 04 13:21:05 bonsaikitten_	echo ... echo ... echo ...
Dec 04 13:21:10 solar	it's that simple.
Dec 04 13:21:12 *	bonsaikitten_ gets a massive sense of deja-vu
Dec 04 13:21:15 Halcy0n	brick wall...brick wall...brick wall...
Dec 04 13:21:34 *	Ticho brings some more popcorn, this is fun to watch
Dec 04 13:21:35 ReJ	bonsaikitten_: Want another summary?
Dec 04 13:21:43 araujo	bonsaikitten_, Send an email to -core & -dev , and if it ispossible get it added in the staffing needs section.
Dec 04 13:21:58 bonsaikitten_	ReJ, only if it's in guideXML already ;-)
Dec 04 13:22:07 solar	re; deja-vu I'm going to keep saying it till you say ok solar I'll give it a shot for a while and I'll try to make it known that the GWn needs more/better editors
Dec 04 13:22:41 *	ReJ still doesn't see a request for an extra editor on -dev...
Dec 04 13:22:50 morfic	bonsaikitten_: if you want to keep your sanity, send of the mail already or else you keep providing them the ammo you do not want them to have
Dec 04 13:22:56 *	bonsaikitten_ will start self-kicking soon
Dec 04 13:23:18 araujo	Also send it to -core , let's flood those bastards that don't read -dev too
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Dec 04 13:28:37 jkt|	what are we flaming about?
Dec 04 13:28:59 ReJ	jkt|: All done now.
Dec 04 13:29:23 jkt|	:-(
Dec 04 13:29:41 bonsaikitten_	jkt|, it was bonsaikitten appreciation hour, your praise comes a bit late
Dec 04 13:29:50 jkt|	ah
Dec 04 13:30:05 *	jkt| randomly selects one soul to abuse
Dec 04 13:30:15 solar	I asked who was patrick and it started a shitstorm.
Dec 04 13:30:25 jkt|	who was patrick?
Dec 04 13:30:34 ReJ	!seen patrick
Dec 04 13:30:34 glbt	ReJ, I don't remember seeing patrick.
Dec 04 13:30:36 GenBot	I've never seen a 'patrick', sorry.
Dec 04 13:30:39 ReJ	lol
Dec 04 13:30:40 *	bonsaikitten_ is patrick
Dec 04 13:30:43 bonsaikitten_	:-)
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Dec 04 13:33:36 jkt|	fscking openoffice
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Dec 04 13:33:50 jkt|	why does it ask for license stuff etc *again*?
Dec 04 13:34:04 spyderous	just say you already registered.
Dec 04 13:34:21 jkt|	that's step 5
Dec 04 13:34:26 bonsaikitten_	jkt|, it's using SUNs definition of "free", not the RMS one
Dec 04 13:35:12 Merlin	jhuebel: hello!
Dec 04 13:35:19 Merlin	jhuebel: we are actually online at the same time
Dec 04 13:35:28 jhuebel	Merlin: Oh wow, we caught up with each other. :-)
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Dec 04 13:37:57 dams	plop
Dec 04 13:38:12 SpanKY	anyone have `pswrap` installed ?
Dec 04 13:38:14 SpanKY	wtf provides it
Dec 04 13:39:14 Halcy0n	SpanKY: xorg does
Dec 04 13:39:33 SpanKY	so why dont i have it ?
Dec 04 13:39:40 Borges	x11-base/xorg-x11 (/usr/bin/pswrap)
Dec 04 13:39:47 SpanKY	what version do you have ?
Dec 04 13:39:49 Halcy0n	SpanKY: because it hates you.
Dec 04 13:39:57 SpanKY	i hate you
Dec 04 13:39:58 Halcy0n	SpanKY: 6.8.2-r6
Dec 04 13:40:06 SpanKY	x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.99.15-r4 def does not provide it
Dec 04 13:40:11 SpanKY	spyderous: wake up you tool
Dec 04 13:40:17 SpanKY	i have an emergency !
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Dec 04 13:41:23 spyderous	SpanKY: i'm here
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Dec 04 13:41:59 spyderous	SpanKY: we're gonna have to readd the external dps packages, xorg's dropping support for it.
Dec 04 13:42:31 SpanKY	omfg
Dec 04 13:42:33 SpanKY	you're kidding
Dec 04 13:42:36 spyderous	nope.
Dec 04 13:42:52 spyderous	7.0 doesn't have them at all, they're turned off by default in 6.8.99.15
Dec 04 13:42:54 Halcy0n	Isn't that the one that broke all that crap?
Dec 04 13:43:02 SpanKY	yes
Dec 04 13:43:18 SpanKY	gtkDPS wont emerge w/out pswrap
Dec 04 13:43:34 SpanKY	want a bug ?  or should i just keep it on the DEE EEL
Dec 04 13:43:51 spyderous	i'm fairly annoyed about it, actually, because i just switched them to use xorg a year ago or so
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Dec 04 13:44:16 jakub	what? Re-add that crap? Rather punt X.org
Dec 04 13:44:19 jakub	;p
Dec 04 13:44:51 spyderous	but the code's totally unmaintained and nobody cares about it either in xorg or the original upstream
Dec 04 13:45:18 spyderous	there's only one app in the whole tree that actually matters, iirc, something in media-fonts i think
Dec 04 13:45:44 spyderous	and we were talking about just trying to hack out a patch to remove the dps dependency from that app instead
Dec 04 13:46:30 spyderous	anyway i've gotta run for now. bbiab
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Dec 04 13:54:32 Halcy0n	rajiv|work, rajiv: Please don't mark packages stable on x86.  We'd like to be CC'd on such bugs.
Dec 04 13:55:14 Halcy0n	genstef: ping
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Dec 04 14:00:10 Halcy0n	genstef: you committed sys-fs/fuse directly to stable on amd64, ppc, and x86.  Please ~arch it unless you have a very very good reason.
Dec 04 14:02:16 blubb	Halcy0n: there was a security bug i think
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Dec 04 14:02:30 Halcy0n	blubb: wasn't that what -r1 was for?
Dec 04 14:02:37 KingTaco	Halcy0n, hardened 3.4.4-r1 seems to build with regular 3.4.4-r1
Dec 04 14:02:38 Halcy0n	blubb: and it could still be run by the arch teams :)
Dec 04 14:02:57 blubb	Halcy0n: no, as it was a confidential
Dec 04 14:03:07 genstef	Halcy0n: done
Dec 04 14:03:08 Halcy0n	blubb: that's what security liaisons are for.
Dec 04 14:03:14 solar	I can rebuild 3.4.4-r1
Dec 04 14:03:16 genstef	Halcy0n: sorry :(
Dec 04 14:03:24 solar	perl x2p is what is horking for me
Dec 04 14:03:24 Halcy0n	genstef: np, thanks.
Dec 04 14:03:28 blubb	Halcy0n: the point is that there is no ebuild in the tree, otherwise it wouldn't be confidential
Dec 04 14:03:45 KingTaco	Halcy0n, there was a fuse sec bug
Dec 04 14:03:50 Halcy0n	blubb: I'm the x86 security liaison.  I did not get informed.
Dec 04 14:03:51 blubb	Halcy0n: arch liasons test the patch from bugzilla, give their okay, and the maintainer commits straight away with stable keywords
Dec 04 14:04:02 blubb	Halcy0n: i'm the amd64 liason, and i did :P
Dec 04 14:04:28 Halcy0n	blubb: also, this was obviously a separate issue since he just reverted it.
Dec 04 14:05:13 blubb	Halcy0n: which version are you talking about?
Dec 04 14:05:26 Halcy0n	blubb: 2.4.2
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Dec 04 14:05:33 Halcy0n	blubb: 2.4.1-r1 had the security bug.
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Dec 04 14:06:24 blubb	Halcy0n: you're right. the sec bug was only half-confidential, and it was about 2.4.1-r1
Dec 04 14:06:35 Halcy0n	Which I marked stable :)
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Dec 04 14:16:39 Merlin	!herd releng
Dec 04 14:16:40 jeeves	Merlin: Perhaps I'm malfunctioning?
Dec 04 14:17:03 Mr_Bones_	zaheerm:  media-plugins/gst-plugins-mikmod/gst-plugins-mikmod-0.8.8.ebuild: x86(default-linux/x86/2005.0) ['=media-libs/gst-plugins-0.8.8*']
Dec 04 14:17:09 Merlin	anyone from releng here?
Dec 04 14:17:44 Halcy0n	Mr_Bones_: don't know if you've seen this yet, but I update it everyday: http://dev.gentoo.org/~halcy0n/keyword-moves/
Dec 04 14:17:52 Halcy0n	Its how I figure out who to bitch at quickly with keyword screwups :)
Dec 04 14:17:59 Mr_Bones_	zaheerm: that's just a sample.  there's massive dep breakage in media-plugins/ due to that ebuild removal.
Dec 04 14:18:07 thunder`	Merlin: try #gentoo-releng
Dec 04 14:18:52 thunder`	ugh i've forgotten that there is +m ;/
Dec 04 14:18:54 Mr_Bones_	Halcy0n: it would be nice if it said who did it.
Dec 04 14:19:03 Halcy0n	Mr_Bones_: removing packages?
Dec 04 14:19:08 Mr_Bones_	yeah
Dec 04 14:19:21 Merlin	thunder: why is it +m
Dec 04 14:19:28 Merlin	thunder: what is the point of that?
Dec 04 14:19:32 Halcy0n	Mr_Bones_: Yea, that's going to involve grabbing it from CVS, which I didn't want to automate yet.
Dec 04 14:19:42 thunder`	probably same like +m on -dev ;]
Dec 04 14:19:59 Halcy0n	Merlin: they don't want users coming in and complaining about the stages and/or livecd?
Dec 04 14:20:16 grobian	Halcy0n, do you keep a history for the moves?
Dec 04 14:20:18 Merlin	most groups have a gentoo-<name> and a gentoo-<name>-dev, the latter being muted
Dec 04 14:20:24 Merlin	or moderated or whatever
Dec 04 14:20:32 Merlin	releng only has one channel
Dec 04 14:21:01 Halcy0n	grobian: I have a list of the status of each ebuild for each arch for probably a month or two now.
Dec 04 14:21:27 Halcy0n	grobian: what I post on my devspace is what has happened in the past day.
Dec 04 14:21:38 grobian	Halcy0n, ok
Dec 04 14:21:57 Merlin	solar: are you still awake? :)
Dec 04 14:22:32 Halcy0n	grobian: so I could easily diff 2 dates if you wanted, for some arch, I just need to change the script a little.
Dec 04 14:22:54 Halcy0n	Also, I'm not too sure how well it handles it.  There's still some bugs I need to work out :)
Dec 04 14:22:58 grobian	I'd like to see each day what moves were for my arch
Dec 04 14:23:14 grobian	I scan all commit messages, but I miss things sometimes
Dec 04 14:23:23 Halcy0n	grobian: well, the past day is on my dev space.
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Dec 04 14:23:57 grobian	I saw so.  But I'd like to get an email upon refresh ;)
Dec 04 14:24:12 grobian	so I was wondering if you kept a history online
Dec 04 14:24:26 grobian	(that would allow to script me some)
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Dec 04 14:25:18 Halcy0n	grobian: no history online yet.  I could keep an archive of the daily changes though.  Currently I just keep the output from quse for each day, but I could move those logs to a folder where they are all timestampped.
Dec 04 14:25:54 grobian	Halcy0n, I assume you run a cronjob or something each day?
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Dec 04 14:26:27 Halcy0n	grobian: I didn't cronjob it yet because I'm not that confident in it yet :)  It sometimes needs manual intervention.
Dec 04 14:26:51 Halcy0n	It works 95% of the time though.
Dec 04 14:26:58 grobian	Aha.  Do you have plans to make it generate rss or mail something?
Dec 04 14:27:20 grobian	(I really like the concept)
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Dec 04 14:27:36 Halcy0n	Eventually I guess.  I'll probably rewrite it before then though.  Its really ugly currently considering it was my first bash script :)
Dec 04 14:27:44 solar	Merlin: yes
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Dec 04 14:28:14 grobian	Halcy0n, heh... approx runtime is evilish?
Dec 04 14:28:33 Halcy0n	grobian: not at all actually.  Longest part is waiting for the output from quse to dump to disk.
Dec 04 14:28:40 Halcy0n	grobian: once I have that, it takes maybe 2 seconds.
Dec 04 14:28:55 grobian	hmmm, ok.  That's nice
Dec 04 14:28:56 Halcy0n	Total runtime on the first run is probably around 20-30 seconds.
Dec 04 14:29:01 Merlin	solar: i got a bootstrap.sh question if you have 1 min
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Dec 04 14:30:10 Merlin	solar: i'm bootstrapping a machine, and even when i delete /var/run/bootstrap-progress, it exits with "No outdated packages were found on your system" without compiling anything. i thought that bootstrap always recompiled everything; if not, how do i get it to do that?
Dec 04 14:31:12 solar	it should not do that. But the quick dirty way is to rm -rf /var/db/pkg so portage does not know anything is installed
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Dec 04 14:31:32 solar	better to back it up vs rm
Dec 04 14:33:15 Merlin	solar: ok, excellent, thanks
Dec 04 14:33:37 spb	emerge -C *
Dec 04 14:33:39 axxo	easier to edit bootstrap.sh
Dec 04 14:33:56 Merlin	axxo: it seems to be coming from portage, not bootstrap
Dec 04 14:34:09 axxo	don't make it pass -u then
Dec 04 14:34:11 Halcy0n	Heh, alright, I got my first flame from the gcc-3.4 upgrade.
Dec 04 14:34:39 axxo	portage will remerge what you supply, unless you pass -u
Dec 04 14:34:43 Merlin	axxo: i'd be surprised if it was, but i'll check
Dec 04 14:34:46 solar	did you pass additional args such as -u ?
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Dec 04 14:34:59 Merlin	no i did not
Dec 04 14:35:08 solar	./bootstrap.sh -p -v ; says everything is current?
Dec 04 14:35:16 Merlin	wow
Dec 04 14:35:23 Merlin	i did rm -rf /var/db/pkg
Dec 04 14:35:34 Merlin	and it still says ">>> No outdated packages were found on your system.
Dec 04 14:35:39 agaffney	haha
Dec 04 14:35:43 agaffney	you broke it
Dec 04 14:35:54 Merlin	awesome
Dec 04 14:36:15 solar	you backed it up right?
Dec 04 14:36:37 Merlin	it's a fresh install
Dec 04 14:36:52 ReJ	Nothing to break then.
Dec 04 14:36:59 solar	do you have any keywords set?
Dec 04 14:37:10 Merlin	just x86
Dec 04 14:37:11 solar	and a fresh --sync ?
Dec 04 14:37:24 Merlin	yes
Dec 04 14:37:38 solar	something sounds like it was really wrong with that
Dec 04 14:37:49 solar	start again
Dec 04 14:38:07 Merlin	haha
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Dec 04 14:52:28 beejay|o1f	which package includes emaint?
Dec 04 14:52:47 axxo	portage
Dec 04 14:52:58 beejay|o1f	from which version on?
Dec 04 14:53:03 axxo	53?
Dec 04 14:53:55 beejay|o1f	hmkay.
Dec 04 14:54:28 beejay|o1f	but then ebuilds shouldn't scream at me to run "emaint --check world" when I don't have the appropriate version installed
Dec 04 14:54:43 axxo	ebuilds don't
Dec 04 14:54:46 axxo	portage does afaik
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Dec 04 14:55:32 beejay|o1f	[ebuild   R   ] sys-apps/portage-2.0.51.22-r3
Dec 04 14:55:47 beejay|o1f	how can it complain if it doesn't know of emaint in that version?
Dec 04 14:55:53 axxo	maybe it does
Dec 04 14:55:53 axxo	:p
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Dec 04 14:57:01 antarus	beejay|o1f, it's telling you to upgrade ;P
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Dec 04 15:06:27 jkt|	hmm, I have one user asking "why do we distribute ebuilds and not just contents of /var/cache/edb"
Dec 04 15:06:59 agaffney	...
Dec 04 15:07:21 jkt|	he says that ebuilds would be available from same/similar servers as the actual source codes
Dec 04 15:07:31 agaffney	because the cache doesn't contain the build instructions and he's stupid :)
Dec 04 15:07:58 jkt|	agaffney: well, but he's (imho) right because you don't need build instructions before installation itself
Dec 04 15:08:14 antarus	jkt|, it's been talked about, no one has writte the code
Dec 04 15:08:22 antarus	I know I've brought it up once or twice :P
Dec 04 15:08:33 agaffney	yeah, but he's expecting either 1) upstream to create ebuilds, or 2) maintainers to repackage all source and include an ebuild
Dec 04 15:08:37 jkt|	antarus: hmm, so it isn't basically wrong, is it?
Dec 04 15:08:53 antarus	jkt|, no, basically caching only the dep information, and fetching build info at build-time only
Dec 04 15:09:01 antarus	negating most of the tree...except that is slow in practice
Dec 04 15:09:04 antarus	so it's not done
Dec 04 15:09:05 jkt|	agaffney: see what antarus said
Dec 04 15:09:09 agaffney	ah, I see
Dec 04 15:09:17 axxo	why would it even need the dep stuff
Dec 04 15:09:21 jkt|	antarus: so there was some test-case?
Dec 04 15:09:22 axxo	can pull that too
Dec 04 15:09:34 antarus	axxo, to locally calculate dependencies...but yes you could do that as well
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Dec 04 15:09:53 antarus	jkt|, I haven't written one, tbh
Dec 04 15:10:11 antarus	jkt|, should be possible in savior, with a huge mangling of how the tree and build-time stuff works
Dec 04 15:10:14 jkt|	antarus: well, you said that it was slow
Dec 04 15:10:22 antarus	jkt|, slow in theory ;)
Dec 04 15:10:31 antarus	jkt|, depends on whether you want your way, or axxo's way.
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Dec 04 15:10:46 jkt|	axxo's way?
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Dec 04 15:11:47 axxo	or the high way!
Dec 04 15:11:48 jkt|	ah
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Dec 04 15:12:04 jkt|	lzap: please behave :-)
Dec 04 15:12:42 antarus	jkt|, I guess, what are the advantages of that method, and are they worth it? :)
Dec 04 15:13:08 jkt|	well, "regenerating portage cache" is quite slow right now :-)
Dec 04 15:13:19 jkt|	and yeah, I know about ferringb's patches
Dec 04 15:13:28 antarus	jkt|, having the tree be remote isnt' going to speed up cache regen ;P
Dec 04 15:13:29 jkt|	could be quite interesting idea...
Dec 04 15:13:47 antarus	jkt|, I guess if you are looking to save space, there are better ways :p
Dec 04 15:13:49 jkt|	antarus: but you'd move the load to the infra servers :-)
Dec 04 15:14:04 jkt|	nope, I'm just having a discussion with lzap
Dec 04 15:14:26 antarus	jkt|, well technically it's already on gentoo....we pregenerate cache date already
Dec 04 15:14:50 lzap	great, I can try to write a wrapper around portage
Dec 04 15:14:55 *	jkt| is tired :-(
Dec 04 15:15:17 jkt|	well, that won't give a speed benefit
Dec 04 15:15:20 jkt|	you're right
Dec 04 15:15:49 jkt|	is there some doc or something about the regeneration phase?
Dec 04 15:16:07 antarus	specifically...?
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Dec 04 15:16:34 jkt|	antarus: why does `emerge --sync` need to regenerate it if it is pre-made before mirroring
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Dec 04 15:17:03 antarus	can we move this to #-portage?
Dec 04 15:17:04 axxo	it copies
Dec 04 15:17:10 axxo	not regenerate
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Dec 04 15:17:13 antarus	unless everyone here wants to hear the explanation :)
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Dec 04 15:17:27 jkt|	Jokey: see antarus's sugestion
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Dec 04 15:17:51 jkt|	antarus: okay
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Dec 04 15:57:23 spyderous	Halcy0n: any gcc 4.0.2 or newer would be ok for ~arch w/ me, those are reported to have decent fortran working.
Dec 04 15:58:17 Halcy0n	spyderous: we are waiting on pushing -r2 out before that.
Dec 04 15:58:35 Halcy0n	One of the patches I wanted to apply introduced a new ICE though, so I'm waiting to see if upstream fixes it.
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Dec 04 16:43:04 jforman	!lastspoke suka
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Dec 04 16:43:14 oya3un	cshields: ping
Dec 04 16:43:32 cshields	oya3un, heya!
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Dec 04 16:44:05 brix	jforman! cshields!
Dec 04 16:44:08 brix	oya3un!
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Dec 04 16:44:48 jforman	henrik!!!
Dec 04 16:45:12 cshields	BR1X!!!!11!!1oneoneone
Dec 04 16:45:31 jforman	brix: your ipw2200 ebuild caused my laptop to randomly combust. thank you
Dec 04 16:45:39 brix	jforman: neat
Dec 04 16:45:44 jforman	heh
Dec 04 16:45:48 brix	jforman: did you take photos?
Dec 04 16:45:52 *	jforman blogs about it, and puts out a contract on brix's head
Dec 04 16:46:02 brix	jforman: one more?
Dec 04 16:47:43 brix	jforman: did you actually try it - or were you joking?
Dec 04 16:49:24 spyderous	cshields!
Dec 04 16:49:43 brix	a... spyderous!
Dec 04 16:50:29 cshields	spyderous, whatuuuup!
Dec 04 16:50:41 cshields	spyderous, still doing the hacking socials/google pizza?
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Dec 04 16:51:01 spyderous	cshields: haven't been for a while because of other things coming up, but i'll be there again in the winter q
Dec 04 16:51:16 spyderous	finals week this week so doubt there'll be one
Dec 04 16:51:24 cshields	I don't think there is..
Dec 04 16:52:34 spyderous	cshields: you been there?
Dec 04 16:53:02 cshields	spyderous, jeff waugh was in pdx last week..  and it wasn't till I was on my way home that I thought to call you.  sorry man
Dec 04 16:53:16 spyderous	i knew he was gonna be there, actually, since i read his blog
Dec 04 16:53:29 spyderous	wanted to make it but couldn't afford the time
Dec 04 16:53:29 cshields	no, haven't been in a while..   wednesday nights are like our only free weeknight
Dec 04 16:53:46 spyderous	we were in portland the next night for a transsiberian orchestra concert
Dec 04 16:53:48 cshields	sucks.   we got a rental and ended up with a suburban w/ leather
Dec 04 16:54:03 cshields	which was cool until I put gas back into it.  $28 for the round trip corvallis - pdx
Dec 04 16:54:04 cshields	:P
Dec 04 16:54:24 spyderous	hey, it's probably $20 even in my car
Dec 04 16:54:31 spyderous	2/3 of a tank
Dec 04 16:56:57 cshields	it was a great time though..  he's a hell of a presenter
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec  4 18:24:59 2005

Dec 04 18:24:59 *	Now talking on #gentoo-dev
Dec 04 18:24:59 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev is: Gentoo Development || cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate.
Dec 04 18:24:59 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev set by Ramereth at Wed Nov 30 14:09:34 2005
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Dec 04 18:34:04 Halcy0n	rajiv: yes.
Dec 04 18:36:15 rajiv	Halcy0n: k. it was a 'major bug fix' that was needed for the new apache layout
Dec 04 18:36:32 rajiv	but i'll keep that in mind for future ebuild
Dec 04 18:36:32 rajiv	s
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Dec 04 18:40:49 rajiv	Halcy0n: should i be on the x86 team now that there is one?
Dec 04 18:41:17 Halcy0n	rajiv: if you want to help with x86 bugs in general, sure.  To be able to mark a few packages you maintain?  No :)
Dec 04 18:41:36 Halcy0n	We could use an apache guy to help with those bugs though.
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Dec 04 18:49:32 Halcy0n	!herd accessibility
Dec 04 18:49:33 jeeves	Halcy0n: (accessibility) dmwaters, eradicator, leonardop, williamh, zx
Dec 04 18:49:33 Halcy0n	!herd sound
Dec 04 18:49:34 jeeves	Halcy0n: (sound) chainsaw, eradicator, flameeyes, fvdpol, kito, matsuu, metalgod, ticho
Dec 04 18:49:38 Halcy0n	^^ping
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Dec 04 18:54:01 rajiv	Halcy0n: then i should probably stay put for now. thanks
Dec 04 18:54:18 Halcy0n	rajiv: alright.  If you want to help out, just stop by #g-x86 and poke me.
Dec 04 18:56:01 rajiv	cool thx
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Dec 04 19:38:51 cshields	w00t!  we finally got Ramereth to start writing docs!!!  http://wiki.ehow.com/Become-a-Farmer-Without-Experience
Dec 04 19:38:54 cshields	(hehe)
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Dec 04 19:39:19 agaffney	uhhh
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Dec 04 19:41:40 Ramereth	cshields: haha, trouble is.. i already have experience :-P
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Dec 04 20:03:34 Anarchy	cshields, pings
Dec 04 20:03:41 cshields	yo
Dec 04 20:03:48 Anarchy	speak to ya in query if ya do not mind
Dec 04 20:04:02 cshields	ok
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Dec 04 20:35:34 ReJ	!herd livecd
Dec 04 20:35:35 jeeves	ReJ: (livecd) beejay, jhuebel, wolf31o2
Dec 04 20:35:38 ReJ	ping ^
Dec 04 20:36:05 ReJ	!meta hwdata-gentoo
Dec 04 20:36:08 jeeves	ReJ: Package: sys-apps/hwdata-gentoo  Herd: livecd Maintainer: livecd
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Dec 04 21:52:21 agaffney	what is the Right Way(TM) to set "global" http/ftp/rsync proxies?
Dec 04 21:52:52 agaffney	during the install, you export http_proxy, ftp_proxy, and RSYNC_PROXY
Dec 04 21:54:24 Halcy0n	agaffney: I stuck them in my .bashrc, so yea, basically what you are saying.
Dec 04 21:55:12 agaffney	hmm
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Dec 04 22:32:57 Ramereth	ack, sorry about anyone who was using bitlbeed on toucan..
Dec 04 22:33:06 Ramereth	didn't realize restarting syslog-ng would kick that
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Dec 04 22:33:44 Halcy0n	Ramereth: well, for all of those people (I'm not one of them)
Dec 04 22:33:46 *	Halcy0n stabs Ramereth 
Dec 04 22:33:49 Ramereth	:-P
Dec 04 22:51:26 cshields	how did syslog-ng kick bitlbeed?
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Dec 04 23:03:32 antarus	spyderous, got a sec for a quick X question?
Dec 04 23:05:58 SpanKY	Ramereth: ping
Dec 04 23:07:29 spyderous	antarus: sure
Dec 04 23:09:17 SpanKY	Ramereth or jforman
Dec 04 23:09:24 SpanKY	need some stages pushed to mirrors
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Dec 04 23:10:38 antarus	spyderous, actually nm, I think they figured it out
Dec 04 23:10:46 antarus	or if nothing else, are on the right track in debugging their p roblem
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Dec 04 23:13:59 spyderous	k
Dec 04 23:14:11 spyderous	i find that's usually the case if you give them a few minutes.
Dec 04 23:15:55 antarus	I kinda knew what was wrong, but I had no clue how to get the exact error message, luckily they came up with one ;)
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Dec 05 00:18:50 spyderous_	toucan down, or is it just me?
Dec 05 00:19:17 avenj	just you
Dec 05 00:19:48 spyderous_	i'm losing it about 5 bounces into a traceroute
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Dec 05 00:26:50 spyderous_	can't get to internetpulse's website either
Dec 05 00:27:05 beejay|o1f	PEBKAC >;P
Dec 05 00:27:06 spyderous_	but can get to espn
Dec 05 00:27:16 ---	beejay|o1f is now known as beejay|work
Dec 05 00:27:21 spyderous_	yeah, computer's just magically break nowadays
Dec 05 00:27:25 spyderous_	it's like windows but better
Dec 05 00:27:50 *	beejay|work had some funny Windows VPN experience last friday
Dec 05 00:28:03 beejay|work	"New Network Connection" - VPN Ghostet
Dec 05 00:28:12 beejay|work	so I went around looking for my Windows-CD
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Dec 05 00:28:38 beejay|work	installed some drivers (what I thought was correct, nothing with 'VPN' in its name)
Dec 05 00:28:54 beejay|work	tried again - Radio-Button "VPN" still ghostet
Dec 05 00:28:59 beejay|work	ghosted.
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Dec 05 00:29:18 beejay|work	solution: When the modem-window comes up enter some shit and VPN was available
Dec 05 00:29:44 beejay|work	damn cold.
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Dec 05 00:30:07 beejay|work	Look! I made a butterfly!
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Dec 05 00:31:41 latexer	beejay|work: that's quite disgusting.
Dec 05 00:32:14 beejay|work	but it's true
Dec 05 00:32:21 beejay|work	I like these colours
Dec 05 00:32:33 beejay|work	green, clear, yellow (like Bernstein)
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Dec 05 00:36:21 beejay|work	I am getting my new PC at work today
Dec 05 00:36:29 beejay|work	800MHz Celeron! \o/
Dec 05 00:36:36 latexer	niiiiice
Dec 05 00:37:25 ReJ	The power!
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Dec 05 00:40:24 beejay|work	currently it's an 333MHz PII
Dec 05 00:40:30 beejay|work	with 128MB
Dec 05 00:40:43 beejay|work	W2k/Office-XP/Visio just rock
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Dec 05 00:41:59 ReJ	Nice.
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Dec 05 00:42:11 ReJ	Just rock.
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Dec 05 00:53:24 beejay|work	!away Livewire
Dec 05 00:53:24 jeeves	Livewire -> did not edit his/her devaway and or I'm malfunctioning.
Dec 05 00:53:38 beejay|work	did he resign or his he just mia?
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Dec 05 00:56:05 glbt	ReJ, LiveWire is right here!
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Dec 05 01:33:06 MrBones	!seen pythonhead
Dec 05 01:33:06 glbt	MrBones, I don't remember seeing pythonhead.
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Dec 05 02:03:46 BaSS	hi gang
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Dec 05 02:05:05 beejay|work	hey bass
Dec 05 02:05:09 beejay|work	hey Disco-Stu
Dec 05 02:05:28 BaSS	hi beejay|work
Dec 05 02:05:30 Stuart	ooh beejah
Dec 05 02:05:30 beejay|work	Barracuda Stuart!!!!
Dec 05 02:05:35 Stuart	heh
Dec 05 02:05:37 BaSS	lol
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Dec 05 02:14:09 nerdboy	night peeps
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Dec 05 02:16:13 beejay|work	night Steve
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Dec 05 02:31:42 robbat2	who maintains the gentoo planet?
Dec 05 02:32:03 beejay|work	dsd iirc.
Dec 05 02:32:53 robbat2	beejay|work, thanks, i'll email him
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Dec 05 02:45:41 robbat2	night all
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Dec 05 03:00:17 spyderous	hmm, anyone know how i can pipe stderr?
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Dec 05 03:00:42 spyderous	maybe the standard redirect to stdout will work
Dec 05 03:00:47 beejay|work	2&>
Dec 05 03:00:50 beejay|work	or so
Dec 05 03:00:52 georges	doe not 2> work?
Dec 05 03:00:55 beejay|work	cannot remember exactly
Dec 05 03:01:38 spyderous	2>&1 did the trick
Dec 05 03:03:58 dams	anyone is a tomcat guru ?
Dec 05 03:04:45 tigger^	kevquinn: ping
Dec 05 03:04:46 *	jakub runs
Dec 05 03:12:17 dams	jakub: hi ! :)
Dec 05 03:12:49 jakub	dams: fix0r perl now! ;p
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Dec 05 03:14:46 jakub	yay, monkeys are coming ;)
Dec 05 03:14:52 BaSS	!seen bonsaykitten
Dec 05 03:14:52 glbt	BaSS, I don't remember seeing bonsaykitten.
Dec 05 03:14:53 GenBot	I've never seen a 'bonsaykitten', sorry.
Dec 05 03:15:20 jakub	BaSS: s/y/i/g ;p
Dec 05 03:15:27 BaSS	:P
Dec 05 03:15:36 BaSS	!seen bonsaikitten
Dec 05 03:15:38 GenBot	bonsaikitten was last seen 9 hours, 34 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying 'mwahaha' in #gentoo-bugs.
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Dec 05 03:15:42 BaSS	thanks jakub
Dec 05 03:16:04 BaSS	gentooexperimental is down?
Dec 05 03:16:26 dams	jakub: hey I'm a noob in perl :)
Dec 05 03:16:31 jakub	BaSS: heh... you mean the web or svn?
Dec 05 03:16:40 BaSS	web
Dec 05 03:16:55 jakub	BaSS: yeah, for a couple of months ;)
Dec 05 03:17:12 jakub	bonsaikitten never made it w/ the new apache layout
Dec 05 03:17:37 jakub	dams: even n00bs can uncomment one line in ebuild :D
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Dec 05 03:17:58 Stuart	heh
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Dec 05 03:18:47 BaSS	lol
Dec 05 03:19:18 jakub	BaSS: but, it's on his project list (project 185 of 500), coming soon :D
Dec 05 03:20:00 BaSS	lol
Dec 05 03:20:27 BaSS	the problem is... my picts gallery is in the same server :P
Dec 05 03:20:55 BaSS	mmm it works now
Dec 05 03:20:58 jakub	tried webarchive.org yet? ;p
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Dec 05 03:25:30 *	amir_ bows
Dec 05 03:25:37 amir_	morning everybody
Dec 05 03:26:31 Stuart	!seen curtis119
Dec 05 03:26:32 strerror_work	moin moin
Dec 05 03:26:32 GenBot	curtis119 was last seen 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 28 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying 'Halcy0n: good.' in #gentoo-dev.
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Dec 05 03:26:48 dams	jakub: If I knew what you are talking about, it'll ease the process I'm sure
Dec 05 03:27:26 jakub	dams: Bug 114371
Dec 05 03:27:29 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114371; "perl-5.8.7-r2 - DynaLoader.a linking issues break packages on amd64"; [Gentoo Linux :: Development]; {NEW}; Sandro->Perl Devs @ Gentoo; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114371
Dec 05 03:27:46 *	Stuart wonders what we can do to stop the new-look website from going live as it stands
Dec 05 03:28:10 jakub	Stuart: t3h old hax0r tricks? :)
Dec 05 03:28:22 tigger^	ey Stuart
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Dec 05 03:28:55 Stuart	tigger^: heya
Dec 05 03:31:07 dams	jakub: why the hell am I not assigned to this bug ?
Dec 05 03:31:25 jakub	dams: hmmm? you're not watching perl@g.o.?
Dec 05 03:32:13 beejay|w1rk	hmm... Katie Melua ... *drool*
Dec 05 03:33:10 dams	jakub: no I'm not, I'm not member of the perl team, even after reccurents requests...
Dec 05 03:33:27 dams	!herd perl
Dec 05 03:33:28 jeeves	dams: (perl) beu, chriswhite, mcummings, superlag
Dec 05 03:33:29 jakub	damn...
Dec 05 03:33:57 dams	jakub: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a
Dec 05 03:34:00 dams	shared object; recompile with -fPIC
Dec 05 03:34:18 dams	jakub: but it's compiled with fPIC
Dec 05 03:35:08 jakub	dams: uncommenting ${PN}-picdl.patch again fixes the thing, nfc why the patch has been removed
Dec 05 03:35:47 jakub	there's a pretty long comment in the ebuild that the patch fixes -fPIC issues, so why remove it?
Dec 05 03:38:27 dams	hm
Dec 05 03:38:42 dams	indeed. But that's beyong my knowledge
Dec 05 03:38:47 spyderous	guess you'd be best off asking the person who did it instead of randomly complaining here =P
Dec 05 03:39:00 dams	spyderous++
Dec 05 03:39:24 dams	jakub: quick naive question : why does these problems occur only on amd64 and other alternatives archs, and not x86 ?
Dec 05 03:39:55 jakub	dams: b/c x86 does not have fPIC issues? :)
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Dec 05 03:40:44 dams	well, why does amd64 have fPIC issues? in which software is the problem ?
Dec 05 03:40:55 tigger^	someone do me a favour and remove an entry I added to package.mask?
Dec 05 03:41:00 tigger^	I don't have access to my dev box atm
Dec 05 03:41:23 marienz	tigger^: can do that in a minute or so, what entry?
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Dec 05 03:41:51 tigger^	marienz: dyndnsupdate
Dec 05 03:41:58 tigger^	marienz: stripped from the tree a while back
Dec 05 03:42:06 tigger^	marienz: must have forgotten to bin the mask
Dec 05 03:44:07 marienz	tigger^: done
Dec 05 03:44:11 tigger^	marienz: many thanks
Dec 05 03:44:39 beejay|w1rk	if you don't know mee byyy nowwww...
Dec 05 03:44:48 beejay|w1rk	you will never, never, never know me...
Dec 05 03:44:52 beejay|w1rk	ooooohooohohohoooo
Dec 05 03:44:54 beejay|w1rk	*sing*
Dec 05 03:45:13 UberLord	morning *
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Dec 05 03:48:23 dams	hi UberLord beejay|w1rk
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Dec 05 03:52:22 johnm	'lo Roy.
Dec 05 03:52:28 tigger^	johnm: oi oi
Dec 05 03:52:30 tigger^	johnm: CODE
Dec 05 03:52:34 *	tigger^ is in subtle mode
Dec 05 03:52:44 tigger^	johnm: started new job yet?
Dec 05 03:52:44 johnm	tigger^: just got back - will do.
Dec 05 03:52:47 tigger^	heh
Dec 05 03:52:47 johnm	tigger^: 4th
Dec 05 03:52:51 johnm	tigger^: got a flat tho.
Dec 05 03:52:52 tigger^	I'm only messin
Dec 05 03:52:54 tigger^	ok cool
Dec 05 03:52:55 tigger^	how is it?
Dec 05 03:52:55 johnm	tigger^: moving in on the 3rd.
Dec 05 03:53:07 johnm	it's a tight few days
Dec 05 03:53:09 tigger^	So you're up norf now?
Dec 05 03:53:32 johnm	finish work dec 30th, travel 1-way on jan 1st, move into fla jan 3rd, start work jan 4th.
Dec 05 03:53:34 tigger^	It is dales country right?
Dec 05 03:53:37 mjc	http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=90&sp=Y
Dec 05 03:53:40 johnm	Yorkshire!
Dec 05 03:53:43 tigger^	aye
Dec 05 03:53:53 johnm	not too far away all in all.
Dec 05 03:54:15 *	tigger^ nods
Dec 05 03:54:19 tigger^	and on the mainland
Dec 05 03:54:20 tigger^	:)
Dec 05 03:54:27 johnm	Once I purchase more items of furnature on which people can sleep/drink beer, everyone is most welcome to come and help me christen the flat.
Dec 05 03:54:34 tigger^	:)
Dec 05 03:54:38 johnm	yeah.. thats the biggest benefit ;)
Dec 05 03:54:45 johnm	furniture*
Dec 05 03:55:15 johnm	I didnt realise, but the IOM Ferry's are so stupid that 2x1-way tickets = cheaper than 1 return.
Dec 05 03:55:23 tigger^	heh
Dec 05 03:55:32 johnm	(by about 40 too!)
Dec 05 03:55:53 tigger^	:/
Dec 05 03:55:54 tigger^	Nutters
Dec 05 03:56:06 johnm	inbreds is more accurate.
Dec 05 03:56:18 tigger^	heh
Dec 05 03:56:28 tigger^	I can tell you have fond memories :P
Dec 05 03:57:07 johnm	almost all my memories are blurred by drink and often contain messy encounters with kebab shops.
Dec 05 03:57:14 tigger^	heh
Dec 05 03:57:24 johnm	sorry.. "the kebab shop"
Dec 05 03:57:28 johnm	there is but one.
Dec 05 03:57:58 tigger^	Real cosey in there then I bet
Dec 05 03:58:11 johnm	you're fairly close to Cambridge aren't you? (peterborough)
Dec 05 03:58:29 tigger^	Yeah
Dec 05 03:58:29 johnm	heh.. yeah, you gotta love greasy fat greek men serving you food at 4am! :)
Dec 05 03:58:32 tigger^	~1 hour
Dec 05 03:58:35 tigger^	Same as from London
Dec 05 03:59:06 lcars	any wireless guru here that might know why my d-link card won't speak with my linksys AP ?
Dec 05 03:59:08 johnm	I'll be heading down for a few drinks with spb at some point if you fancy meeting up. maybe try and get a few of us for a "social event" :)
Dec 05 03:59:18 mjc	yay for large colloquy fonts
Dec 05 03:59:25 tigger^	johnm: spb owes me a beer, so yeah, sounds good
Dec 05 03:59:31 mjc	boo for mysqld not liking to be run as root
Dec 05 03:59:41 mjc	I need to pur myself some b&b so I can get my work done
Dec 05 03:59:41 mjc	haha
Dec 05 03:59:47 *	mjc runs off to get a cup
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Dec 05 04:00:07 *	mjc offers tigger^ some
Dec 05 04:00:53 johnm	tigger^: hehe, I hope you're going to stress payback with interest!
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Dec 05 04:01:27 mjc	god, synergy2 is like.. heaven
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Dec 05 04:09:07 mjc	does b&b and coke taste good?
Dec 05 04:10:26 araujo	Good morning Gentoo'ers!
Dec 05 04:10:37 UberLord	lcars: um - dlink are crap?
Dec 05 04:10:46 *	UberLord could be a wireless guru
Dec 05 04:11:08 tigger^	UberLord: useful :P
Dec 05 04:11:15 phreak``	jforman: ping ..
Dec 05 04:11:37 araujo	Think fast, name 3 shell commands that takes strings and returns strings as arguments?
Dec 05 04:12:09 phreak``	morning folks :)
Dec 05 04:12:31 UberLord	tigger^: I never claim my sage advice is useful ;)
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Dec 05 04:19:11 lcars	UberLord: they are quite nice actually...linksys is crap
Dec 05 04:19:35 spyderous	my dlink was crap.
Dec 05 04:19:53 mjc	every dlink product I've owned was crap, some linksys products I've owned were not crap
Dec 05 04:19:58 mjc	so they are both crap
Dec 05 04:20:03 lcars	my dlink stuff works fine ;)
Dec 05 04:20:06 lcars	mjc: fair enough
Dec 05 04:20:06 mjc	but one is less, in my anecdotal experience
Dec 05 04:20:20 lcars	well this linksys router is fugly
Dec 05 04:20:26 mjc	agreed.
Dec 05 04:20:38 mjc	I prefer not to rely on embedded hardware if possible ,though
Dec 05 04:21:20 mjc	eg my spare laptop does firewalling and stuff for me
Dec 05 04:21:50 mjc	I'm considering writing a winblows app that automatically sets up a 6to4 on the user's wrt54g and configures p2p apps to use ipv6
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Dec 05 04:23:28 mjc	hmm ssh compression seems to save about 50%
Dec 05 04:23:36 mjc	not bad.
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Dec 05 04:52:45 marienz	I thought the chris branch had been killed? What's that 1.1.1.1 version still doing in viewcvstest?
Dec 05 04:54:03 marienz	(in places like http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/eclass/tla.eclass?rev=1.8&view=log)
Dec 05 04:54:07 spyderous	hm, is there an easy way to fix rpaths at install time?
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Dec 05 06:39:26 lu_zero	hi
Dec 05 06:39:35 BaSS	hi lu_zero
Dec 05 06:39:42 lu_zero	how are you BaSS ?
Dec 05 06:39:56 BaSS	tired
Dec 05 06:39:58 BaSS	and you?
Dec 05 06:40:06 BaSS	im just finish a lil project :P
Dec 05 06:40:42 lu_zero	tired and I have a lots to do =)
Dec 05 06:40:54 BaSS	me too
Dec 05 06:41:02 BaSS	lu_zero, mayeb do you like it: http://dyn.josealberto.org/priv/R2/
Dec 05 06:41:09 BaSS	user/pass: kikov
Dec 05 06:42:07 ---	kerframil_ is now known as kerframil
Dec 05 06:42:52 lu_zero	I want it =)
Dec 05 06:43:02 BaSS	lu_zero, i will pack it soon
Dec 05 06:43:05 BaSS	maybe tomorrow
Dec 05 06:43:20 lu_zero	nice =)
Dec 05 06:43:27 BaSS	so its just the second verson of a bash script that you can find in my blog
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Dec 05 06:47:24 beejay|w1rk	hmm
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Dec 05 06:47:51 beejay|w1rk	if lu_zero would rename himself to "Treble", I would rename myself to "Center" and tigger^ to "Surround"
Dec 05 06:47:55 beejay|w1rk	that would be cool
Dec 05 06:48:04 beejay|w1rk	Bass, Treble, Center and Surround
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Dec 05 06:48:06 brix	beejay|w1rk: get a life
Dec 05 06:48:15 brix	please.
Dec 05 06:48:17 brix	;)
Dec 05 06:48:21 beejay|w1rk	brix: get a danish mountain!
Dec 05 06:48:23 BaSS	lol
Dec 05 06:48:26 BaSS	can be very cool
Dec 05 06:48:39 BaSS	beejay|w1rk, fill a GLEP :P
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Dec 05 06:50:29 brix	beejay|w1rk: we have one!
Dec 05 06:50:55 lu_zero	really?
Dec 05 06:51:24 beejay|w1rk	brix: your compost pile doesn't count.
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Dec 05 06:54:37 beejay|w1rk	Don Seemantonifiranelliquintomaccidelinafratelli!!!
Dec 05 06:54:53 brix	beejay|w1rk: "the highest natural point is Mllehj, at 170.86 metres"
Dec 05 06:55:05 brix	beejay|w1rk: if that's not a mountain I don't know what is...
Dec 05 06:55:06 beejay|w1rk	lol
Dec 05 06:55:17 BaSS	hola seemant
Dec 05 06:55:18 beejay|w1rk	my ear is clicking
Dec 05 06:55:21 beejay|w1rk	damn cold.
Dec 05 06:55:35 brix	beejay|w1rk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j
Dec 05 06:55:50 jforman	phreak``: yes?
Dec 05 06:56:10 beejay|w1rk	brix: I am sitting on a non-unicode terminal - I see only silly \escapes ;)
Dec 05 06:56:15 beejay|w1rk	jfartman!
Dec 05 06:56:45 brix	beejay|w1rk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark#Geography
Dec 05 06:56:49 brix	jeffrey!
Dec 05 06:56:54 phreak``	jforman: morning ;)
Dec 05 06:57:21 phreak``	jforman: would it be possible to move the stages from hollow's public_dir to /space/experiemental-local ?
Dec 05 06:57:34 beejay|w1rk	brix: even here in a low region i am higher than the top of your hill :P
Dec 05 06:57:47 jforman	phreak``: why cant hollow do it? i'd rather not go into people's ~ without their expressed permission
Dec 05 06:57:49 beejay|w1rk	brix: here I am at 240NN, at home I am at 320NN
Dec 05 06:57:49 seemant	Don Beejayamolongitudinalistrimissimonossimo!
Dec 05 06:57:54 seemant	hola BaSS :)
Dec 05 06:57:54 brix	beejay|w1rk: heh
Dec 05 06:58:09 brix	seemant!
Dec 05 06:58:15 seemant	brix: :)
Dec 05 06:58:20 phreak``	jforman: was just about to ask if it's possible ;)
Dec 05 06:58:49 jforman	phreak``: yes, it possible. yes, i have the ability to do it. but i dont feel comfortable going into someone's ~ to post things
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Dec 05 07:02:29 glbt	jforman, hollow is right here!
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Dec 05 07:10:38 BaSS	lu_zero, i have a tbz2 ready
Dec 05 07:10:43 BaSS	you want to try it?
Dec 05 07:10:46 lu_zero	sure
Dec 05 07:11:14 BaSS	dcc?
Dec 05 07:11:19 lu_zero	yup
Dec 05 07:11:22 BaSS	ok
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Dec 05 07:11:33 lu_zero	solar ping
Dec 05 07:11:59 BaSS	lu_zero, senddin
Dec 05 07:12:05 solar	pong if it's quick.
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Dec 05 07:12:25 lu_zero	-:- DCC Priveleged port attempt [0]
Dec 05 07:12:26 lu_zero	solar well
Dec 05 07:12:26 lu_zero	relatively quick
Dec 05 07:12:48 BaSS	lu_zero, accept the file :P
Dec 05 07:12:48 lu_zero	the test-server currently is broken in different points
Dec 05 07:12:55 lu_zero	BaSS try again
Dec 05 07:13:29 lu_zero	and the patch will be rejected if it doesn't build on gcc-2.95 (that means split it to use less than 10 constraints
Dec 05 07:13:39 lu_zero	just in case you didn't get the email back
Dec 05 07:14:00 solar	yeah you said that about the gcc-2.95 thing. I'm sure that can happen
Dec 05 07:14:26 solar	by broken you mean only the 2.95 thing or is there another problem that cropped up?
Dec 05 07:19:37 lu_zero	solar upstream has other concerns about the correctness
Dec 05 07:19:48 lu_zero	but I'd rather solve that issue first
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Dec 05 07:24:04 MetalGOD	lo
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Dec 05 07:27:12 BaSS	lu_zero, sending
Dec 05 07:29:31 BaSS	lu_zero, ping
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Dec 05 07:34:03 tigger^	anyone know how to start an exim process but not have it launch a queue runner?
Dec 05 07:34:23 jforman	prayer?
Dec 05 07:34:36 jforman	hey rob, long time no see
Dec 05 07:34:56 tigger^	heya :)
Dec 05 07:35:19 jforman	andrea kept you locked up in the dungeon?
Dec 05 07:35:59 tigger^	:P
Dec 05 07:36:14 jforman	we were almost worried about you
Dec 05 07:36:40 tigger^	sure sure ;P
Dec 05 07:37:47 lu_zero	BaSS pong
Dec 05 07:38:08 BaSS	lu_zero, do you want the file or not
Dec 05 07:38:15 lu_zero	yes I want it
Dec 05 07:38:30 lu_zero	but you tried to dcc to port 0 ^^;;;
Dec 05 07:38:30 BaSS	ok
Dec 05 07:38:42 BaSS	i dont try anthign:p
Dec 05 07:38:45 BaSS	i just use xchat
Dec 05 07:38:51 BaSS	:P
Dec 05 07:38:55 lu_zero	sometimes happens =P
Dec 05 07:39:47 BaSS	lu_zero, i will sent to mail
Dec 05 07:39:53 BaSS	send
Dec 05 07:39:57 BaSS	gmail?
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Dec 05 07:41:02 seemant	!seen dsd_
Dec 05 07:41:03 GenBot	dsd_ was last seen 18 hours, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying 'bonsaikitten_: also pester cokehabit, he is keen to help' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 05 07:41:04 glbt	seemant, dsd_ is right here!
Dec 05 07:41:09 seemant	!lastspoke dsd_
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Dec 05 07:43:01 SuperLag	seemant: you still in India?
Dec 05 07:43:50 seemant	SuperLag: boston now
Dec 05 07:44:01 SuperLag	seemant: how was your trip?
Dec 05 07:44:06 dsd_	hey seemant
Dec 05 07:44:15 *	jforman welcomes seemant back to the US
Dec 05 07:44:20 seemant	dsd_: heya -- got time to listen to a kernel/udev issue?
Dec 05 07:44:24 dsd_	seemant: sure
Dec 05 07:44:29 seemant	SuperLag: it was great -- I'll blog about it in a bit
Dec 05 07:44:32 seemant	jforman: thanks :)
Dec 05 07:44:45 jforman	seemant: got pictures?
Dec 05 07:45:08 seemant	jforman: yes, will blog in a bit
Dec 05 07:46:01 jforman	nod
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Dec 05 08:01:59 -lilo-	[Global Notice] herbert Hi all. The server you're on, herbert.freenode.net, is experiencing routing problems. We'll need to shut it down. Please reconnect to irc.freenode.net .... thanks!
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Dec 05 08:03:31 jakub	freenode--
Dec 05 08:03:33 jforman	jakub: i got another victim for your bugzilla reassignment. bug 114528
Dec 05 08:03:36 GenBot	jforman: Bug 114528; "some ebuild not determine where (qt3) qmake is placed with qt4 installed"; [Bugzilla :: General Bugs]; {NEW}; Artjom->Jeffrey Forman; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114528
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Dec 05 08:03:50 jakub	yay!
Dec 05 08:03:52 jakub	:)
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Dec 05 08:04:01 jforman	thanks
Dec 05 08:04:14 beejay|work	no problem, Jeff.
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Dec 05 08:06:31 beejay|work	Kugelfang1: ircing as root, especially at work from a university network is ... uhmm... critical
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Dec 05 08:06:41 beejay|work	Kugelfang1: ircing as root, especially at work from a university network is ... uhmm... critical
Dec 05 08:06:52 Kugelfan1	beejay|work: he? not root
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Dec 05 08:07:01 beejay|work	yes, root.
Dec 05 08:07:05 Kugelfan1	wrong identd
Dec 05 08:07:16 jakub	;p
Dec 05 08:07:17 Kugelfan1	i'm su'ed
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Dec 05 08:07:29 Kugelfan1	UberLord: ping?
Dec 05 08:07:35 beejay|work	Kugelfan1: LIAR!
Dec 05 08:08:09 Kugelfan1	!seen Uberlord
Dec 05 08:08:10 GenBot	Uberlord was last seen 3 hours, 55 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying 'tigger^: I never claim my sage advice is useful ;)' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 05 08:08:11 glbt	Kugelfan1, Uberlord is right here!
Dec 05 08:08:29 Kugelfan1	i'll just try later...
Dec 05 08:08:34 Kugelfan1	gotta go :-/
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Dec 05 08:09:30 UberLord	Kugelfang: im here
Dec 05 08:09:36 UberLord	doh
Dec 05 08:09:43 beejay|work	lol
Dec 05 08:10:12 jakub	heh
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Dec 05 08:11:53 jakub	excellent...
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Dec 05 08:12:06 Hollow	jforman: pong
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Dec 05 08:13:39 jforman	Hollow: phreak`` mentioned you had some vserver stuff you wanted pushed out in experimental?
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Dec 05 08:13:59 Hollow	jforman: yeah, i was quite surprised as well :)
Dec 05 08:14:30 jforman	well as you can see from the -core mail, your ~ in toucan is taking up quite a bit of space. figure out what you want pushed out to experimntal and i can help with that....in aboug 30 minutes after i run to UPS ;)
Dec 05 08:14:44 Hollow	jforman: well, we could put the vserver stages to exp, if we're that low on space ;)
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Dec 05 08:15:04 jforman	Hollow: my concern is that you're serving the vserver stuff out of your ~, which is a big no no
Dec 05 08:15:41 Hollow	ic..
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Dec 05 08:15:52 Ramereth	tgall_foo: ping ... please read my email to -core and clean out you homedir :-P
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Dec 05 08:16:17 jforman	Hollow: figure out what you want pushed out to exp, and i can work with you on that in about 30 minutes time
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Dec 05 08:16:31 jforman	Ramereth: i rarely see him in here
Dec 05 08:16:46 -lilo-	[Global Notice] (Oops, ignore previous message. :)
Dec 05 08:16:50 Halcy0n	You can club him in #g-ppc64 easily.
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Dec 05 08:16:55 Hollow	jforman: ok
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Dec 05 08:17:22 Halcy0n	Who owns gibot?  Its starting to piss me off :)
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Dec 05 08:17:53 beejay|work	Halcy0n: right.
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Dec 05 08:18:07 beejay|work	I can't ban anymore...
Dec 05 08:18:21 Halcy0n	beejay|work: I figured I'd ask everyone else before I banned it :)
Dec 05 08:18:24 beejay|work	I knew resigning had a disadvantage
Dec 05 08:18:30 lisa	lol
Dec 05 08:18:48 vapier	#gentoo-dev gibot H+ n=[e-mail] :0 agaffney's bot
Dec 05 08:18:51 Halcy0n	Hmm, I should have just /whois'd it :)
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Dec 05 08:18:54 Halcy0n	vapier: yea, I suck.
Dec 05 08:18:56 vapier	jforman: ping
Dec 05 08:18:56 beejay|work	GAFFNEY!
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Dec 05 08:19:02 Halcy0n	agaffney: fix your bot or I'm going to ban it :)
Dec 05 08:19:10 Halcy0n	Or vapier will, so HAH
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Dec 05 08:19:29 *	vapier has kicked gibot from #gentoo-dev (get a better int3rn3t)
Dec 05 08:19:41 beejay|work	intarweb, vapier, intarweb...
Dec 05 08:19:50 Halcy0n	I was just going to say the same thing...that's frightening.
Dec 05 08:20:29 vapier	the internets
Dec 05 08:20:51 beejay|work	intern netz.
Dec 05 08:21:03 Halcy0n	My roommate still refers to IRC as "The IRC", as if there is only one.
Dec 05 08:21:13 vapier	Teh IRC
Dec 05 08:21:16 lisa	largscale pornography distribution scheme
Dec 05 08:22:27 lu_zero	lisa internet?
Dec 05 08:22:32 lisa	sure ;)
Dec 05 08:22:36 lisa	kernel.org++
Dec 05 08:22:47 Halcy0n	Yea, how did people get porn before the intarweb?  It must have been a sad world.
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Dec 05 08:23:01 lisa	Halcy0n: BBSs. ;-)
Dec 05 08:23:06 vapier	i think they bought pr0n at shaddy computer shows
Dec 05 08:23:14 vapier	shady even
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Dec 05 08:23:23 lisa	err, not that i would know >.> <.<
Dec 05 08:23:49 Halcy0n	lisa: kernel.org++ because you like rolling around in the source...or is there another reason? :)
Dec 05 08:24:10 lisa	Halcy0n: they are smart, they can help make our boxes go
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Dec 05 08:28:39 dsd_	hmm, fetchmail segfaulting :/
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Dec 05 08:33:17 seemant	!seen strerror
Dec 05 08:33:18 glbt	seemant, strerror is right here!
Dec 05 08:33:23 GenBot	strerror was last seen 5 days, 13 hours, 6 minutes and a couple of seconds ago, saying 'is parallel start in /etc/conf.d/rc on by default on some profiles?' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 05 08:33:23 seemant	!lastspoke strerror
Dec 05 08:33:25 glbt	strerror last uttered a word on #gentoo-dev 4 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes ago.
Dec 05 08:33:30 seemant	strerror: ping when return please
Dec 05 08:33:31 strerror_work	seemant: lo
Dec 05 08:34:12 strerror_work	seemant: note this client not "strerror"
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Dec 05 08:36:48 seemant	strerror_work: hey, pmsg ok?
Dec 05 08:37:04 strerror_work	seemant: sure
Dec 05 08:37:33 tigger^	careful ben, he's a man eater
Dec 05 08:38:24 strerror_work	tigger^: i'll bear that in mind :)
Dec 05 08:40:51 strerror_work	btw those bots are severly b0rk3d
Dec 05 08:41:06 strerror_work	i've been chatting on at least 7 gentoo channels that they are on
Dec 05 08:41:45 MetalGOD	latexer, ping
Dec 05 08:41:45 Halcy0n	strerror_work: I needed to talk to you about something... don't remember what, but /query ? :)
Dec 05 08:42:01 strerror_work	Halcy0n: sure
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Dec 05 08:42:04 vapier	jakub: you need to learn the fine lines of base-system / toolchain / sandbox
Dec 05 08:42:32 jakub	hmmm?
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Dec 05 08:45:17 vapier	you dump sandbox and toolchain bugs into base-system sometimes
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Dec 05 08:46:37 agaffney	he's all fixed now
Dec 05 08:46:41 agaffney	the netsplits confused him
Dec 05 08:46:47 agaffney	it triggered the half-done auto-reconnect code
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Dec 05 08:47:25 vapier	why do you even need gibot
Dec 05 08:47:44 jakub	vapier: uhm? such as? hope you don't mean the bug with unreadable root... don't see why is that a php bug really; don't "secure" your system so that it's basically unuseable
Dec 05 08:48:00 KingTaco	agaffney, can you cause it to reconnect to #code-hell
Dec 05 08:48:01 agaffney	vapier: people requested it for weather
Dec 05 08:48:17 vapier	jakub: i dont see what base-system has to do with it
Dec 05 08:48:40 geoman	http://www.izem.ru/atas/1/
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Dec 05 08:49:05 agaffney	KingTaco: there ya go
Dec 05 08:49:10 KingTaco	agaffney, danke
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Dec 05 08:51:11 jakub	vapier: hmm, so it's php bug? running FEATURES="userpriv" with user-unreadable / will screw tons of things
Dec 05 08:51:33 vapier	i dont see how it's a bug
Dec 05 08:51:39 jakub	neither do I
Dec 05 08:51:51 vapier	userpriv is like unpacking php as a non-root user and trying to configure/build it
Dec 05 08:52:09 vapier	no reason to run `make` as root
Dec 05 08:52:47 dams	anyone good in php ?
Dec 05 08:53:03 dams	I'd like to request an url without using curl
Dec 05 08:53:06 dams	is that possible?
Dec 05 08:53:17 vapier	using fopen() ?
Dec 05 08:53:36 vapier	allow_url_fopen doesnt require curl i dont think
Dec 05 08:53:45 dams	ok
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Dec 05 08:53:47 vapier	but it's disabled by default in Gentoo iirc
Dec 05 08:53:55 vapier	i use that myself cause it's so damn handy
Dec 05 08:53:58 dams	allow_url_fopen <- what's that ?
Dec 05 08:54:04 vapier	fp = fopen("http://slashdot.org", "r");
Dec 05 08:54:09 dams	thx
Dec 05 08:54:14 jakub	vapier: userpriv w/o usersandbox runs unsandboxed stuff, right?
Dec 05 08:54:15 vapier	dams: check your php.ini file, it's an option in there
Dec 05 08:54:23 dams	and fp is then a usual file handler ?
Dec 05 08:54:33 vapier	yes
Dec 05 08:54:38 vapier	you fread() and such on it
Dec 05 08:54:46 dams	thx
Dec 05 08:54:53 vapier	*cough* `man make.conf` *cough*
Dec 05 08:55:20 jakub	vapier: yeah, I did, that's what it says, *cough* :)
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Dec 05 08:56:47 vapier	anyone know if they released an xchat module which enables mirc-like code support ?
Dec 05 08:57:02 dams	*cough*  (seems to be "in")
Dec 05 08:57:26 dams	vapier: I don't *cough* think *cough* so
Dec 05 08:57:35 az	vapier: xchat themself wont ever
Dec 05 08:57:46 dams	tantive_: ping
Dec 05 08:57:46 az	dunno if somebody else have though
Dec 05 08:57:59 tantive_	dams: pong
Dec 05 08:58:04 vapier	xchat would get more users if they supported mirc scripting i bet ;)
Dec 05 08:58:42 az	its usually more versitile to use an already existing language, but i want to remember we already argued about this
Dec 05 08:58:52 vapier	we did
Dec 05 08:58:53 vapier	:)
Dec 05 08:58:58 dams	tantive_: I have your gentoo business card, wolfram gave it to me at gentoo dev meeting, but I don't know/remember what I should do with it
Dec 05 08:59:04 az	anyhow, mirc still look as crap as it did in the windows 3.1 days :/
Dec 05 08:59:13 az	pirch looked better
Dec 05 08:59:26 tantive_	dams: if you want you can sign the key on it
Dec 05 08:59:31 dams	vapier: why not use perl xchat bindings ?
Dec 05 08:59:37 dams	tantive_: oh, ok, I'll do
Dec 05 08:59:37 tantive_	dams: or we can do that at fosdem
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Dec 05 08:59:52 vapier	i'm not interested in alternatives so dont bother suggesting
Dec 05 08:59:54 dams	well I won't sign it without your id, sir !
Dec 05 08:59:57 vapier	we covered this before, az knows
Dec 05 09:00:04 hansmi	dams: I verified his ID
Dec 05 09:00:06 dams	vapier: ok, soz
Dec 05 09:00:22 az	vapier: just interest sake .. what script is it that have your balls in a clamp ?
Dec 05 09:00:26 dams	hansmi: ok then I'll use the key trust network then
Dec 05 09:00:37 tantive_	dams: heh
Dec 05 09:00:50 tantive_	hm, that reminds me
Dec 05 09:00:58 vapier	az: none
Dec 05 09:00:59 tantive_	i wanted to signs hansmis key
Dec 05 09:01:08 vapier	i'm just used to typing out mirc commands on the command line to do stuff
Dec 05 09:01:12 hansmi	That reminds me as well, tantive_ :)
Dec 05 09:01:23 az	oh, ok
Dec 05 09:01:33 tantive_	hansmi: hehe
Dec 05 09:02:41 dams	vapier: if it doesn't exist, tell me, and I might do a mirc->xchat perl transcripter
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Dec 05 09:06:25 dams	vapier: another php newbie question : how do I get the IP of the user connected  ?
Dec 05 09:06:38 vapier	you could use the env
Dec 05 09:07:00 vapier	load up like phpinfo() and browse the env vars from apache
Dec 05 09:07:05 vapier	then just use those
Dec 05 09:07:07 Stuart	dams: $_SERVER['REMOTE_HOST']
Dec 05 09:07:20 vapier	there's the straight answer
Dec 05 09:07:32 dams	Stuart: thx
Dec 05 09:07:32 vapier	i can never remember the exact name so i refer to phpinfo()
Dec 05 09:07:40 Stuart	vapier: me too
Dec 05 09:07:52 Stuart	vapier: and I wrote the damn book on the subject for the certification exam :)
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Dec 05 09:08:15 vapier	heh, pwnt
Dec 05 09:08:35 Stuart	dams: http://uk.php.net/reserved.variables
Dec 05 09:08:56 vapier	Stuart: any idea on timeframe for moving to dev-lang/php full time ?
Dec 05 09:09:10 vapier	imo it's the first time the php package has been done right :P
Dec 05 09:09:26 Stuart	vapier: we're just testing the last of the multilib crap^H^H^H support patches iirc
Dec 05 09:09:46 Stuart	:P
Dec 05 09:09:52 vapier	i'm really digging dev-lang/php ... use it on my uclibc boxes and stuff now
Dec 05 09:10:07 Stuart	if there's anything further we can do to improve it, we'd love to know
Dec 05 09:10:29 Stuart	some of the Zend guys are using our stuff in-house now
Dec 05 09:10:51 vapier	well, nothing that i cant fault you for ... like the fact that sessions are disabled by default
Dec 05 09:11:03 Stuart	maybe you can help me with that
Dec 05 09:11:04 vapier	but you'd need ability to control default USE flag behavior for that to change
Dec 05 09:11:31 Stuart	from PHP's point of view, it'd make sense to get some flags into the default USE flags
Dec 05 09:11:51 az	what 'language' is mirc's scripts in btw? its own stuff or lisp ?
Dec 05 09:11:52 Stuart	how should I go about doing that? it's not something I've done before, and I'd like to follow the "right" procedure
Dec 05 09:11:57 tigger^	az: it's own
Dec 05 09:12:01 dams	$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR is what I wanted
Dec 05 09:12:02 dams	thx Stuart
Dec 05 09:12:12 tigger^	az: nothing like lisp
Dec 05 09:12:21 Stuart	dams: np. #gentoo-apache is there for all your PHP questions, btw :)
Dec 05 09:12:23 vapier	ha, lisp
Dec 05 09:12:28 vapier	you crazy or somethin
Dec 05 09:13:57 jforman	brix: yo?
Dec 05 09:14:26 vapier	Stuart: for lack of better option, that may be the only route ...
Dec 05 09:14:34 vapier	jforman: push my stages to mirrors ?
Dec 05 09:14:44 Halcy0n	vapier: never had to learn lisp/scheme? :)
Dec 05 09:14:46 jforman	vapier: when did you post them?
Dec 05 09:14:52 vapier	jforman: yesterday
Dec 05 09:14:57 vapier	/space/experimental-local/mips/embedded/stages/
Dec 05 09:15:29 jforman	vapier: all i see is a bunch of november 21st stuff
Dec 05 09:15:46 jforman	along the lines of stage1-mips-uclibc-mips3-20051026.tar.bz2
Dec 05 09:16:17 vapier	those are the ones
Dec 05 09:16:25 vapier	i copied them to the dir yesterday
Dec 05 09:16:32 jforman	nod
Dec 05 09:16:43 jforman	on their way out on the next sync
Dec 05 09:16:54 vapier	thx dad
Dec 05 09:17:05 *	jforman pats vapier on the head and sends him back to his mother
Dec 05 09:17:18 brix	jforman: oy
Dec 05 09:17:27 amir_	LISP stands for Lots of Iritating Single Parantheses
Dec 05 09:17:36 amir_	grr
Dec 05 09:17:37 jforman	brix: from 2.6.12 -> .14, the way the kernel is configured to play with ipw2200 changed, correcet?
Dec 05 09:17:40 *	amir_ feels like a typo
Dec 05 09:18:24 amir_	vapier: ever tried out lisp? ;)
Dec 05 09:19:38 az	vapier: anyhow, could you check src/core under uclibc (can just run tests/test-runlevels or something) ?  Cause that do not work, but the exact same type code in ftp://nosferatu.za.org/pub/mmap-test.tar.bz2 works fine, and I am sorda stuck as to why, so maybe another set of eyes helps
Dec 05 09:19:44 Hollow	jforman: i'd be ready btw..
Dec 05 09:20:09 brix	jforman: nope
Dec 05 09:20:13 brix	jforman: just don
Dec 05 09:20:26 *	jforman waits for brix to retype that ;)
Dec 05 09:20:30 brix	jforman: just don't enable the in-kernel driver if you wish to use the external ebuild
Dec 05 09:20:44 jforman	nod
Dec 05 09:20:52 brix	the ebuild will notify you of a script you need to run
Dec 05 09:20:55 jforman	Hollow: would a /experimental/x86/vserver directory be appropriate?
Dec 05 09:21:00 brix	it will demolish your kernel sources
Dec 05 09:21:26 Hollow	jforman: yeah, will need one for amd64 too
Dec 05 09:21:29 jforman	brix: yeah, but i am trying to build a livecd using catalyst and genkernel is failing using a 2.6.12 kernel config on the 2.6.14 kernel, and it always dies at the ipw2200/ieee80211 step
Dec 05 09:21:38 *	jforman peeks in Hollow's ~
Dec 05 09:21:50 brix	jforman: oh
Dec 05 09:21:55 brix	jforman: known problem
Dec 05 09:22:05 brix	jforman: grab ieee80211-1.1.7 from my overlay
Dec 05 09:22:20 jforman	brix: what does that fix ?
Dec 05 09:22:26 brix	stuff.
Dec 05 09:22:33 jforman	amazing the intellect you posess ;)
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Dec 05 09:22:54 brix	jforman: you were the one not giving the exact error message ;)
Dec 05 09:23:18 jforman	heh, that was the issue. i had something included in the kernel config, where it should have been removed. will test out your overlay in abit ;)
Dec 05 09:23:51 jforman	Hollow: log out and log back into dev
Dec 05 09:24:22 brix	jforman: the ebuild should have instructed you to run a script then
Dec 05 09:24:35 amir_	brix: that 'notice' that a script has to be run blows up every 'emerge world' i do ... ;(
Dec 05 09:24:43 jforman	brix: nod. but genkernel cannot account for the script message in einfo
Dec 05 09:24:51 amir_	brix: [the script for the ipw2200 i mean]
Dec 05 09:25:01 brix	amir_: nothing much I can do about it
Dec 05 09:25:05 Hollow	jforman: done
Dec 05 09:25:11 amir_	brix: can't you run it automatically?
Dec 05 09:25:16 brix	amir_: no
Dec 05 09:25:29 amir_	brix: local use flag dependant?
Dec 05 09:25:29 jforman	Hollow: sec. i will instruct you what to do
Dec 05 09:25:32 brix	amir_: I can not and will not modify the users kernel source automatically
Dec 05 09:25:36 brix	amir_: no.
Dec 05 09:25:45 amir_	brix: even not via a local use flag?
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Dec 05 09:25:56 amir_	brix: like ipw_auto_cripple_my_sources
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Dec 05 09:26:00 brix	amir_: switch to linux-2.6.15-rc1+ and use the in-kernel drivers
Dec 05 09:26:11 brix	amir_: no, I will not do that.
Dec 05 09:26:15 *	amir_ sobs
Dec 05 09:26:23 jakub	*no* *no* *no*
Dec 05 09:26:24 jakub	:D
Dec 05 09:26:31 amir_	okok
Dec 05 09:26:33 *	amir_ gives up ;)
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Dec 05 09:27:21 jforman	Hollow: you will find vserver directories in /space/experimental-local/{x86,amd64/vserver in which you should drop your stages.
Dec 05 09:27:41 jforman	Hollow: it usually takes an hour for those to migrate to the staging box, at which time you ping me again and i will push them out to the mirrors
Dec 05 09:28:49 jforman	Hollow: but serve stuff out of your ~/public_html/ again, and i will cause physical harm to you and any animals you have living at your residence ;)
Dec 05 09:28:51 *	brix pushes jforman out to the mirrors
Dec 05 09:29:38 kloeri	jforman: I thought you we're an animal lover? :)
Dec 05 09:30:07 Hollow	jforman: i hate animals :)
Dec 05 09:30:20 jforman	not when people serve stuff out of toucan and it takes up disk space, hence making Ramereth mad ;)
Dec 05 09:30:34 kloeri	heh
Dec 05 09:31:14 Hollow	jforman: so, i.e. i'm not even allowed to distribute tarballs of my projects (like eix e.g.)?
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Dec 05 09:31:42 jforman	Hollow: if its little stuff, thats fine. but as you saw from the -core email, you were taking up over a gig in your ~. thats not good
Dec 05 09:32:04 Hollow	ok, the stages take almost everything, the rest is only a matter of kilobytes..
Dec 05 09:32:25 jforman	yeah.... this is the issue ;)
Dec 05 09:32:26 jforman	toucan public_html # du -sh stages/
Dec 05 09:32:26 jforman	1.4G    stages/
Dec 05 09:32:39 Hollow	ok, the stages are in experimental-local now
Dec 05 09:32:41 jforman	Hollow: once you see those on the mirrors, you are free to rm them from your ~
Dec 05 09:32:46 Hollow	yeppa
Dec 05 09:33:01 jforman	Hollow: okay. i will be back on in about 90 minutes, at which time i can push them out to the mirrors
Dec 05 09:33:21 jforman	gah, suka, wtf are you
Dec 05 09:33:23 Hollow	great, thx.. do i have to contact you on every stage release in future?
Dec 05 09:33:30 jforman	anyone compiled OOo2 with gcc-3.4.4 successfully yet?
Dec 05 09:33:51 jforman	Hollow: yes, because pushing things out to the mirrors, except for distfiles, its a manual process. so i can control what goes out on them and make sure we dont kill our mirrors
Dec 05 09:34:19 Hollow	ok, doesn't matter for stages anyway..
Dec 05 09:34:58 jforman	nod. any time you stuff something in exp-local, give me a shout about an hour after yu drop them in, and i can push them out to the mirrors
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Dec 05 09:35:17 jakub	talking about the toucan homedirs, who the hell is dorileo?
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Dec 05 09:35:42 phreak``	jakub: no idea, but cia said something about last commit was 1.83 years ago ;)
Dec 05 09:35:49 jakub	heh
Dec 05 09:35:50 Halcy0n	jakub: I was thinking the same thing.
Dec 05 09:35:57 Halcy0n	There's a couple names I had never seen before.
Dec 05 09:35:59 jforman	i dont see him in the last output
Dec 05 09:36:07 jakub	also roll-call is really "verbose" about him ;p
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Dec 05 09:37:16 rl03	aha
Dec 05 09:37:17 rl03	it worked
Dec 05 09:37:29 jakub	hehe
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Dec 05 09:53:02 jforman	hey daniel
Dec 05 09:53:57 latexer	dostrow_work, jforman: hey hey.
Dec 05 09:53:59 latexer	MetalGOD: pong.
Dec 05 09:54:07 jforman	latexer: wow, up before noon, i am impressed
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Dec 05 09:54:38 latexer	jforman: slept like sh*t last night. i'm not supposed to be up yet.
Dec 05 09:54:43 jforman	heh
Dec 05 09:54:51 dostrow_work	morning jforman latexer
Dec 05 09:54:56 *	jforman removes the sh*t from peter's bed and hopes he sleeps better
Dec 05 09:55:14 latexer	jforman: thanks.
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Dec 05 10:08:06 jkt|	Halcy0n: do you want to handle bug 114524 yourself or can I fix it myself?
Dec 05 10:08:08 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 114524; "GCC Upgrade guide: bad print link"; [Website www.gentoo.org :: Documentation]; {NEW}; Jakob Schiotz->Docs Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114524
Dec 05 10:08:35 jkt|	Halcy0n: it's only wrong link in <guide> element
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Dec 05 10:12:26 jkt|	Halcy0n: or what about moving that guide under /doc for GDP to manage it? :-)
Dec 05 10:13:26 MrBones	vapier: app-xemacs/xemacs-base/xemacs-base-1.75.ebuild: ~ia64(default-linux/ia64/2005.0) ['app-editors/xemacs']
Dec 05 10:13:57 vapier	erm k, thought i fixed those, but guess i missed one
Dec 05 10:17:16 MrBones	just one though. ;-)
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Dec 05 10:19:00 mjc	anyone play WoW?
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Dec 05 10:19:49 vapier	MrBones: where did your _ go !?
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Dec 05 10:21:40 vapier	crazy
Dec 05 10:22:02 MrBones	got bounced at some point.
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Dec 05 10:22:54 Mr_Bones_	zaheerm: I resurrected gst-plugins-0.8.8-r2.ebuild and gst-plugins-0.8.9-r2.ebuild.  Clean up the places they're used before removing them again.
Dec 05 10:24:29 marienz	can someone remind me roughly how long I should wait after adding something to /space/distfiles-local before using it in an ebuild? (first time I do this)
Dec 05 10:24:46 vapier	marienz: time delay is negligble now imo
Dec 05 10:25:09 marienz	(it popped up on gentoo.osuosl.org already but not on two mirrors closer to me)
Dec 05 10:26:01 *	marienz hates on upstreams using trac wiki attachments as distribution method
Dec 05 10:26:08 Halcy0n	jkt|: honestly, I don't care who handles it.  I don't want to though :)
Dec 05 10:26:14 Halcy0n	jkt|: I'm not a doc guy.
Dec 05 10:26:41 jkt|	Halcy0n: well, stuff under /proj/en/ is not maintained by GDP
Dec 05 10:26:47 jakub	Halcy0n: too afraid to say that you hate XML? ;p
Dec 05 10:26:51 jkt|	Halcy0n: and I thought you were the author
Dec 05 10:27:10 jkt|	Halcy0n: okay, I'll fix that :-)
Dec 05 10:27:23 Halcy0n	jkt|: I didn't author it :)  I just wanted it to be made.
Dec 05 10:27:34 Halcy0n	jakub: in most cases, yea, I hate it :)
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Dec 05 10:28:03 jkt|	hmm, amne is not here, neither is wolf3102...
Dec 05 10:28:53 Halcy0n	jkt|: trust me, wolf doesn't care if you fix it :)
Dec 05 10:29:00 Halcy0n	And amne doesn't have commit access I don't think.
Dec 05 10:29:31 Halcy0n	If you want to move it under GDP and take care of it, that's awesome.  Less I have to worry about :)
Dec 05 10:29:56 jkt|	Halcy0n: fixed
Dec 05 10:30:06 dams	"rom what some of us saw in #g-dev yesterday though, they (GWN
Dec 05 10:30:06 jkt|	and I'll talk about it with other GDP people
Dec 05 10:30:07 dams	guys) may not agree with us"
Dec 05 10:30:18 dams	who was there, and can sum it up for me ?
Dec 05 10:30:46 DerCorny	oh, thats easy
Dec 05 10:30:51 Halcy0n	dams: we told them to ask for help if they couldn't handle it, they said they didn't have time basically.  So, the status quo is as good as its going to get.
Dec 05 10:30:52 DerCorny	just imagine a lot of flames
Dec 05 10:31:13 Halcy0n	DerCorny: flames are the only way to get through to some people.  Doesn't make the people doing the flaming wrong.
Dec 05 10:31:54 DerCorny	still, the whole thing was basically flaming with no real result
Dec 05 10:32:29 DerCorny	(from both sides). i'd better shut up before i'm part of the whole thing ;)
Dec 05 10:32:58 Halcy0n	DerCorny: we have valid concerns, they aren't being addressed.  Its really all it boils down to.  Not our fault they can't take the criticism and straighten up.
Dec 05 10:33:35 dams	hm
Dec 05 10:33:43 dams	DerCorny: thx :)
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Dec 05 10:35:01 dams	I'm quite confused about this : with the number of people interested by the GWN, or its validation, or constructive critisism, the GWN staff should be full of people
Dec 05 10:35:53 seemant	!herd x11-drivers
Dec 05 10:35:54 jeeves	seemant: (x11-drivers) azarah, battousai, eradicator, joshuabaergen, lu_zero
Dec 05 10:36:22 lu_zero	seemant ?
Dec 05 10:36:42 latexer	seemant: yar!
Dec 05 10:36:50 seemant	lu_zero: synaptics has a new version out
Dec 05 10:36:54 seemant	latexer: heya!
Dec 05 10:37:00 dams	hi seemant
Dec 05 10:37:01 latexer	seemant: you going to LWE: SF this year?
Dec 05 10:37:03 seemant	dams: hola
Dec 05 10:37:10 seemant	latexer: Imma try
Dec 05 10:37:26 latexer	ok, cool.
Dec 05 10:37:33 lu_zero	seemant hmm
Dec 05 10:37:36 latexer	don't think i'm making boston this year, gonna hit up the west coast one though.
Dec 05 10:37:40 *	lu_zero cannot test it ^^;
Dec 05 10:37:47 seemant	lu_zero: I can
Dec 05 10:37:50 seemant	latexer: :(
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Dec 05 10:38:02 lu_zero	is it working?
Dec 05 10:38:04 latexer	seemant: it's no longer a train ride away, unfortunately.
Dec 05 10:38:06 Halcy0n	I want to go to the Boston one this year, but my mom's birthday is on the 4th.
Dec 05 10:38:13 seemant	lu_zero: haha, haven't tested it yet, I'll let you know
Dec 05 10:38:22 seemant	latexer: this is true :/
Dec 05 10:38:31 seemant	when exactly is the Boston one?
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Dec 05 10:38:41 Halcy0n	seemant: apr 3-6
Dec 05 10:38:45 seemant	april??
Dec 05 10:38:50 Halcy0n	Yea
Dec 05 10:38:54 seemant	what happened to Jan/Feb?
Dec 05 10:38:57 seemant	no lwe's?
Dec 05 10:39:11 Halcy0n	Just telling you what I see on the website :)
Dec 05 10:39:22 seemant	what's the url again?
Dec 05 10:39:28 Halcy0n	http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BOS06A
Dec 05 10:40:36 seemant	cool beans
Dec 05 10:41:12 jkt|	Halcy0n: okay, we (gdp) don't want that guide :-)
Dec 05 10:42:12 Halcy0n	jkt|: I'm curious why you guys don't want to make a generic GCC/toolchain updating guide, but okay.
Dec 05 10:42:25 jkt|	well, why not
Dec 05 10:42:39 jkt|	just draft something and we'll pretify it :-)
Dec 05 10:42:53 Halcy0n	jkt|: you have a draft alright.  Just make it more generic.
Dec 05 10:42:57 Halcy0n	*already
Dec 05 10:43:21 jkt|	hmm
Dec 05 10:43:23 jkt|	okay
Dec 05 10:43:56 Halcy0n	jkt|: its basically what we are going to tell anyone to do for most GCC upgrades.  Each one could have a few specific quirks.
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Dec 05 11:52:53 brix	amir_?
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Dec 05 11:53:05 amir_	brix: hi
Dec 05 11:53:15 amir_	brix: do you have suspend2 running?
Dec 05 11:54:09 *	amir_ wonders if he was too late
Dec 05 11:54:39 jforman	Hollow: around?
Dec 05 11:54:44 Hollow	yup
Dec 05 11:54:48 jforman	posted your stages ?
Dec 05 11:54:53 brix	amir_: I maintain suspend2-sources, of course I have it running
Dec 05 11:55:00 Hollow	yeah
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Dec 05 11:55:12 amir_	brix: i've suspend2 not yet running... the comment saying that 'it can corrupt your partition if you do it at the wrong place' has stopped me testing it before i did a backup
Dec 05 11:55:19 amir_	[which i have not yet done]
Dec 05 11:55:25 amir_	brix: ahhh! didn't know, sorry
Dec 05 11:55:41 amir_	brix: so you know exactly where the echo > /proc... needs to go in linuxrc ?
Dec 05 11:55:54 brix	amir_: you have not read the bug report?
Dec 05 11:55:58 amir_	i have
Dec 05 11:56:18 amir_	i wanted to ask you if you could attach a patch of your linuxrc
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Dec 05 11:56:39 *	amir_ attached his version, but is not sure it's correct
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Dec 05 11:56:50 *	amir_ just updated the bug
Dec 05 11:57:06 brix	so you didn't read the bug report.
Dec 05 11:57:16 brix	afk
Dec 05 11:57:20 jforman	Hollow: your stuff will be out on the next mirror sync.
Dec 05 11:57:34 Hollow	great, thx
Dec 05 11:57:48 jforman	you can clean out your ~ ;)
Dec 05 11:58:04 Hollow	i'll do :)
Dec 05 11:58:07 amir_	brix: ahh ;) you updated it again ;)
Dec 05 11:58:11 *	amir_ chuckles
Dec 05 11:58:19 amir_	brix: u're too fast for me ;))
Dec 05 11:58:33 jforman	Hollow: no use in hoping for vserver on sparc64 is there?
Dec 05 11:58:39 amir_	brix: thx
Dec 05 11:58:42 *	amir_ bows deeply towards brix
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Dec 05 11:59:19 Hollow	jforman: i'd welcome any arch to be supported, though i lack test hardware for all except x86 amd64 and ppc
Dec 05 11:59:26 jforman	nod
Dec 05 11:59:46 Hollow	are you interested in using it on sparc64?
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Dec 05 11:59:59 jforman	Hollow: might be willing to try and test
Dec 05 12:00:14 jforman	i will have 4-5 days next week to test after papers are done for university ;)
Dec 05 12:00:20 jforman	any docs i should read up on?
Dec 05 12:00:57 Hollow	well, we have gentoo vserver dev docs, but it explained quickly, so just ping if you feel like
Dec 05 12:01:05 Hollow	s/have/have no/
Dec 05 12:01:08 jforman	nod
Dec 05 12:01:54 Hollow	we also have a build-stages script, so except for some profile adjustment it should work pretty much out of the box
Dec 05 12:02:37 jforman	Hollow: vserver-sources is required ?
Dec 05 12:02:47 Hollow	yep, it includes genpatches
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Dec 05 12:04:01 jkt|	Hollow: what about http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml ?
Dec 05 12:04:18 jforman	thats what he's talking about
Dec 05 12:04:42 jkt|	19:01 <@Hollow> s/have/have no/
Dec 05 12:04:46 Hollow	well, except for emerge vserver-sources util-vserver it won't be of any help i guess
Dec 05 12:05:02 jkt|	hehe, you're author of that :-)
Dec 05 12:05:25 Hollow	yeah, but it only covers installing by stages, but there are no stages for sparc64
Dec 05 12:06:22 Hollow	reminds me to change the url to the stages in that doc..
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Dec 05 12:12:17 deathwing00	Halcy0n++
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Dec 05 12:13:57 Hollow	jforman: ~ looks tight now ;)
Dec 05 12:14:19 jforman	thanks
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Dec 05 12:23:28 beejay	I have a basic problem with my brain... what was the name of that wannabe-Visio for Gnome/GTK again?
Dec 05 12:23:58 UberLord	dia?
Dec 05 12:24:17 beejay	another one?
Dec 05 12:24:50 compnerd_	!herd x11
Dec 05 12:24:51 jeeves	compnerd_: (x11) azarah, battousai, eradicator, joshuabaergen, lu_zero, seemant, spyderous
Dec 05 12:25:01 compnerd_	x11: ping
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Dec 05 12:29:58 dmwaters	Halcy0n: hi
Dec 05 12:30:26 Halcy0n	dmwaters: howdy.
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Dec 05 12:31:10 dmwaters	Halcy0n: you were looking for someone in accessibility?
Dec 05 12:31:26 Halcy0n	dmwaters: yea, i opened a bug about it.  speech-tools has a conditional patch that has to go.
Dec 05 12:31:44 dmwaters	Halcy0n: prod williamh through email
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Dec 05 12:31:53 Halcy0n	dmwaters: its breaking upgrades for x86 users since the gcc-3.4 fixes are not applied unconditionally, and festival refuses to compile due to this.
Dec 05 12:32:00 dmwaters	Halcy0n: unless you want to volonteer to help with accessibility?:)
Dec 05 12:32:10 Halcy0n	dmwaters: I'll fix the sucky ebuild, but that's about it :)
Dec 05 12:32:15 dmwaters	heh
Dec 05 12:32:29 dmwaters	i've had some interest, but knowone who's really wanted to help with it
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Dec 05 12:33:26 Halcy0n	I'm dreading speech-tools.  Fixing it for gcc-4 is basically going to involve rewriting parts of it.
Dec 05 12:33:51 ciaranm	you could just drop the package
Dec 05 12:33:54 dmwaters	Halcy0n: nasty
Dec 05 12:34:07 Halcy0n	ciaranm: its a dep of KDE.
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Dec 05 12:34:14 Halcy0n	through some twisted web of suckiness.
Dec 05 12:34:17 ciaranm	Halcy0n: conditional, no?
Dec 05 12:34:45 dmwaters	hrm, anyone know plate's irc nick?
Dec 05 12:34:46 Halcy0n	ciaranm: part of the accessibility stuff.  I don't know if it works without it.
Dec 05 12:35:01 beejay	UberLord: dia works. thanks.
Dec 05 12:35:03 ciaranm	dmwaters: oya3un
Dec 05 12:35:08 UberLord	beejay: np
Dec 05 12:35:10 Halcy0n	dmwaters: if you want, I'll fix the ebuild, but it looks like eradicator made the recent changes to it.
Dec 05 12:35:25 dmwaters	Halcy0n: k
Dec 05 12:35:39 dmwaters	oya3un: ping
Dec 05 12:35:47 johnm	Ramereth: ping
Dec 05 12:35:53 Halcy0n	ciaranm: speech-tools uses all the nice pre C98 headers, strstream instead of sstream and such. (or whichever way it was)
Dec 05 12:35:57 johnm	dmwaters: hows tricks at the new job?
Dec 05 12:36:08 dmwaters	johnm: jobless.
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Dec 05 12:36:34 ciaranm	Halcy0n: then it must die!
Dec 05 12:36:43 johnm	dmwaters: oh. sorry to hear. I probably shouldnt ask, but how come?
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Dec 05 12:37:05 Halcy0n	ciaranm: I'd rather see other things die first...but that's a completely separate issue :)
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Dec 05 12:37:40 dmwaters	johnm: to put it in a very short version, they wanted  me to be.... a bitch so to speak to the community and i wasn't gonna do that to the community.
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Dec 05 12:38:15 johnm	dmwaters: did they keep anyone they asked? :(
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Dec 05 12:38:42 dmwaters	johnm: yeah
Dec 05 12:38:53 johnm	dmwaters: sad to see.
Dec 05 12:38:59 eradicator	dmwaters: Halcy0n: what ebuild are youu talking about?
Dec 05 12:39:05 johnm	infra: ping.
Dec 05 12:39:14 jforman	johnm: yo?
Dec 05 12:39:18 dmwaters	johnm: they just don't like it when someone won't do what they want, and well, i'm not about to backstab the community i'm involved in
Dec 05 12:39:22 Halcy0n	eradicator: speech-tools
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Dec 05 12:39:44 eradicator	yick
Dec 05 12:39:59 Halcy0n	eradicator: it has a patch conditional on using gcc-3.4, which sucks.  The fixes aren't applied to the headers and people migrating from gcc-3.3 can't recompile festival.
Dec 05 12:40:15 kingtaco|work	yuck
Dec 05 12:40:21 eradicator	that's no good
Dec 05 12:40:29 eradicator	why are they conditionally applied?
Dec 05 12:40:35 kingtaco|work	is there a work around(other then using 3.3)?
Dec 05 12:40:50 johnm	jforman: quick q. the bulk of my devspace is apparently taken by maildir (I use IMAP). What do infra recommend? I'm not keen on dropping any mails.
Dec 05 12:41:06 jforman	johnm: fetchmail to another box? and delete off of toucan
Dec 05 12:41:07 eradicator	speech-tools-gcc3.3.diff? That one looks like it'd be fine unconditionally applied
Dec 05 12:41:22 Halcy0n	eradicator: no idea.  Someone added a gcc-3.3 fix back, but if the 3.4 patch breaks 3.3, then it sucks and we should fix it.
Dec 05 12:41:52 eradicator	yeah.
Dec 05 12:41:54 johnm	jforman: Wont have another box for a little while over the next month and a bit.
Dec 05 12:42:13 jforman	johnm: hmm, not sure then. delete some mails, attachments, etc
Dec 05 12:42:29 eradicator	I don't have much time on my hands and won't for the next 2 weeks (finals, etc).  I'll put it on my list... unless you want to do it now...
Dec 05 12:42:35 johnm	jforman: certainly no box which is going to be reliable for file storge anyways.
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Dec 05 12:42:47 Halcy0n	eradicator: well, if you want, I'll just fix it later and mark a new version stable.
Dec 05 12:42:47 johnm	jforman: :( not really an option I'd like to take tbh.
Dec 05 12:42:49 ciaranm	so has g++4.1 dropped the old-style <blah.h> c++ headers?
Dec 05 12:42:56 eradicator	Halcy0n: that's fine
Dec 05 12:42:57 Halcy0n	ciaranm: 4.0 did I believe.
Dec 05 12:43:01 ciaranm	woohoo!
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Dec 05 12:43:13 Halcy0n	eradicator: is the newest unstable revision alright to mark stable?  I have no idea what you fixed/changed.
Dec 05 12:43:14 latexer	http://flickr.com/photos/studies_and_observations/70208018/
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Dec 05 12:43:34 Halcy0n	eradicator: if it is, I'll just bump off of that and mark it stable with the new fixes.
Dec 05 12:43:37 latexer	we should have that on our 404 page.
Dec 05 12:43:39 jforman	johnm: how much usage are we talking?
Dec 05 12:44:42 johnm	jforman: at the moment it's about.. 1.2G
Dec 05 12:45:08 jforman	oy. might talk to lance or andrea for suggestions. i only use fetchmail to grab my mail off of toucan :/
Dec 05 12:45:50 lisa	sweet jesus
Dec 05 12:46:01 johnm	lisa: yes m'dear?
Dec 05 12:46:09 ReJ	You called?
Dec 05 12:47:05 latexer	zaheerm: so.... anybody in the gstreamer camp working on *usable* C# bindings of gstreamer? (:
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Dec 05 12:51:39 eradicator	Halcy0n: yes, it should be
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Dec 05 12:55:18 kingtaco|work	brix, ping
Dec 05 12:57:55 Halcy0n	eradicator: alright, thanks.
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Dec 05 12:59:03 strerror	Halcy0n: got that url you sent me on my work client handy?
Dec 05 12:59:09 *	strerror has time to read now
Dec 05 12:59:54 johnm	Does anyone have an athlon MP2400+ processor (only) going for grabs? I'm happy to pay shipping and send some pints your way
Dec 05 13:01:19 jakub	hmmm, pints are always welcome, but allas, I don't have the CPU ;p
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Dec 05 13:03:43 brix	kingtaco|work: SYN ACK
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Dec 05 13:04:01 antarus|work	brix, you didn't specify a sequence # :/
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Dec 05 13:04:22 kingtaco|work	brix, I see ipw2200 didn't make it into 2.6.14, are they still trying for .15?
Dec 05 13:04:23 brix	antarus|work: don't make me -v your nick ;)
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Dec 05 13:04:45 brix	kingtaco|work: ipw2200-1.0.0 _is_ in linux-2.6.14
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Dec 05 13:05:02 brix	kingtaco|work: ipw2200-1.0.8 is in linux-2.6.15-rc1
Dec 05 13:05:10 kingtaco|work	brix, oh
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Dec 05 13:05:23 kingtaco|work	brix, so I should still use the external until .15 then
Dec 05 13:05:24 zaheerm	tannewt: pong
Dec 05 13:05:29 brix	kingtaco|work: yeah
Dec 05 13:05:40 brix	kingtaco|work: at least if you use WPA
Dec 05 13:05:41 kingtaco|work	brix thanks
Dec 05 13:05:45 brix	np
Dec 05 13:05:45 kingtaco|work	brix, I don't
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Dec 05 13:06:15 brix	kingtaco|work: you could try the in-kernel version then
Dec 05 13:06:34 kingtaco|work	brix, I had some problems connecting to APs with earlier versions
Dec 05 13:06:52 kingtaco|work	so I'm unlikly to downgrade unless they changed there numbering scheme
Dec 05 13:07:21 kingtaco|work	*their
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Dec 05 13:10:04 brix	kingtaco|work: no changes to version scheme
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Dec 05 13:12:26 kingtaco|work	brix, yeah, then I'll stay with 1.0.8.
Dec 05 13:12:34 brix	kingtaco|work: ok
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Dec 05 13:23:20 jkt|	johnm: don't you want to change pgp.mit.edu to subkeys.pgp.net in your mail signature? first one is obsolete...
Dec 05 13:23:37 johnm	jkt|: quite possibly, not checked it in ages :)
Dec 05 13:23:48 spyderous	compnerd_: pong
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Dec 05 13:24:41 brix	jkt|: since when is pgp.mit.edu obsolete?
Dec 05 13:24:42 jakub	jkt|: feel like poking them about fixing their craptastic web? ;p
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Dec 05 13:25:28 compnerd_	spyderous: found a bug report for the issue ... bug # 29541
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Dec 05 13:25:35 GenBot	compnerd_: Bug 29541; "[manpages,xorg-x11]: `/usr/share/man/man4/mouse.4' shadows `/usr/X11R6/man/man4/mouse.4'"; [Gentoo Linux :: Unspecified]; {NEW}; bartron->Gentoo X-windows packagers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/29541
Dec 05 13:26:17 compnerd_	spyderous: its from 2003
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Dec 05 13:27:09 compnerd_	spyderous: although, now its with xf86-input-mouse
Dec 05 13:27:14 kaiowas	subkeys.pgp.net looks like a desolate place
Dec 05 13:27:33 jakub	desperately
Dec 05 13:27:44 jakub	never seen something soooo unuseable and chaotic
Dec 05 13:28:02 vapier	isnt that mouse manpage a non-issue now that xorg is installing into /usr/share/man/man#x
Dec 05 13:28:18 compnerd_	vapier: not with the latest version of the ebuild
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Dec 05 13:28:25 spyderous	yeah, they've screwed that up again too
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Dec 05 13:28:39 alin	hello everyone
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Dec 05 13:28:47 jkt|	brix: dunno, please see bug 109151 and 113849
Dec 05 13:28:50 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 109151; "pgp.mit.edu is Outdated."; [Docs-user :: GNUpg User Guide]; {RESOLVED:FIXED}; Lares Moreau->Jan Kundrt; http://bugs.gentoo.org/109151
Dec 05 13:28:58 spyderous	i don't even understand their man page installation system right now
Dec 05 13:29:08 vapier	*shrug* ive done all i need to do ;)
Dec 05 13:29:19 spyderous	some are in [0-9]x, some in [0-9], they should at least have x suffixes in the name
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Dec 05 13:31:24 lisa	johnm: that was the power cycling and me thinking my servers werent going down -- they did. :<
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Dec 05 13:31:40 johnm	lisa: lol
Dec 05 13:31:49 lisa	not really
Dec 05 13:31:59 johnm	lisa: you get manypower cuts?
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Dec 05 13:32:09 lisa	lost 288 day uptime :(
Dec 05 13:32:12 lisa	johnm: first in a year
Dec 05 13:32:14 brix	jkt|: ok, thanks
Dec 05 13:32:24 compnerd_	spyderous: just thought Id let you know
Dec 05 13:32:26 kaiowas	jkt|: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371 is just as desolate
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Dec 05 13:34:38 jkt|	kaiowas: to quote from #109151: "The keyserver recommended by #gnupg on freenode is subkeys.pgp.net
Dec 05 13:34:41 jkt|	"subkeys.pgp.net is an alias of a whole group of keyservers that sync." while "
Dec 05 13:34:44 jkt|	pgp.mit.edu is a single keyserver running very old software."
Dec 05 13:35:00 jakub	kaiowas: you've probably not seen www.pgp.net yet ;p just nothing there works
Dec 05 13:35:17 jakub	want to search a key? no link there
Dec 05 13:35:26 jakub	want to submit a key? does not work
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Dec 05 13:36:15 lisa	can anyone reach www.thedoh.com ?
Dec 05 13:36:42 jkt|	jakub: use port 11371
Dec 05 13:36:49 jakub	lisa: The real content of this domain is hidden behind subdirectories waiting for this domain to be properly developed.  Some content can be found at /~lisa/site.  Eventually I'll get this developed.
Dec 05 13:36:55 jakub	that's it?
Dec 05 13:37:08 lisa	yea
Dec 05 13:37:08 lisa	thanks
Dec 05 13:37:17 lisa	god another
Dec 05 13:37:55 jakub	jkt|: yeah, very friendly ;p and search spits out some misformated crap
Dec 05 13:38:03 lisa	johnm: two in one year
Dec 05 13:38:36 Ramereth	johnm: ping
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Dec 05 13:39:03 Halcy0n	So, I guess I'm just going to start ignoring everything the GWN guys say and claim they suck, since that's what they are doing.
Dec 05 13:39:08 lisa	johnm: sooo, get a ups
Dec 05 13:39:30 Ramereth	Halcy0n: eh, only take the words patrick says as only from himself
Dec 05 13:40:11 Halcy0n	Ramereth: well, when he's the only one responding to me, I assume otherwise.  I haven't seen anything else from other GWN members.
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Dec 05 13:40:28 Ramereth	you know how 'voiced' he gets
Dec 05 13:41:19 Halcy0n	Ramereth: well, I have yet to see anything useful that he's voiced.
Dec 05 13:41:27 Ramereth	me either
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Dec 05 13:41:55 Halcy0n	I think I've brought up valid points, and I've been ignored and basically told to "file a bug".  I thought that's what I did, but okay...
Dec 05 13:42:00 kaiowas	jkt|: I see, it's a round-robin dns. and 4 out of 5 servers work :)
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Dec 05 13:46:13 Ticho	great, gtk-engines are all hosed up with latest gtk+
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Dec 05 13:46:23 Ticho	well, not all, just one or two themes
Dec 05 13:46:26 antarus|work	when is gtk-engines not hosed
Dec 05 13:46:37 Ticho	few minutes ago, before the upgrade
Dec 05 13:46:43 amne	Ramereth: i'd like to clean out stuff automatically after some time on toucan (e.g. my spam folder), usually i'd use tmpwatch and cron. is there at least the possibility to provide tmpwatch? the cron issue can be worked around by just doing it via .bashrc or something every now and then
Dec 05 13:47:11 Ramereth	amne: actually, i was going to send an email to -core about doing some stuff like that
Dec 05 13:47:28 Ramereth	my plan was using cfengine to clean out files that are X days old in specific folder names
Dec 05 13:47:34 amne	in accordance with the prophecy! ;-)
Dec 05 13:48:08 amne	Ramereth: haven't used cfengine myself, but i guess i'll just wait for your mail
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Dec 05 13:48:24 Ramereth	just wait.. was about to look into that this afternoon actually
Dec 05 13:48:27 rl03	Ramereth: hey, did you see the viewcvs bug I filed last night?
Dec 05 13:48:48 Ramereth	rl03: yeah, been out of town the past few days (in an airport terminal right now) i'll look into that in a few days
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Dec 05 13:48:56 Ramereth	rl03: any idea whats causing it? (i haven't looked into it yet)
Dec 05 13:48:59 rl03	Ramereth: sure, just wanted to give you a head-up
Dec 05 13:49:01 Ramereth	did something change with webapp?
Dec 05 13:49:09 rl03	Ramereth: yes, we released a python version in p.mask
Dec 05 13:49:17 rl03	could be a regression
Dec 05 13:49:21 Ramereth	no, i meant the mechnics of it
Dec 05 13:49:48 rl03	we may have screwed up an exported var or some such. i didn't look into it in much detail
Dec 05 13:50:09 Ramereth	ah
Dec 05 13:50:39 rl03	it appeasr that it wants to run sed on my entire /var/www/localhost/htdocs
Dec 05 13:51:09 kingtaco|work	rofl
Dec 05 13:51:13 kingtaco|work	thats not good
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Dec 05 14:02:56 dang	Mr_Bones_: qemu on amd64 fixed.
Dec 05 14:03:22 *	lisa whines
Dec 05 14:03:33 lisa	courier-imapd-ssl isn't starting
Dec 05 14:04:16 jakub	fjord!
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Dec 05 14:05:46 Mr_Bones_	dang: thanks.
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Dec 05 14:16:16 puggy	Any certificate authority gurus about?
Dec 05 14:16:31 *	beejay sends a heartly "Thank you" to the italian Scientist Dr. Wifi for his amazing invention
Dec 05 14:17:02 beejay	puggy: some minor experience... not really a guru.
Dec 05 14:17:54 amir_	brix: any special hints for suspend2?
Dec 05 14:18:15 *	amir_ would be happy not to trash his installation when trying it out
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Dec 05 14:18:58 puggy	beejay: I made a CA, done. Now, I want to create another, subsiduary CA, so I create the certificate and sign it with the v3_ca extentions on with the original CA. But if I then create a certificate with the new CA and install it into say...apache, having the root CA in my browser keystore doesn't make that trusted.
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Dec 05 14:19:44 brix	amir_: use the swapwriter
Dec 05 14:19:54 *	amir_ had that in mind
Dec 05 14:20:14 brix	amir_: and check /etc/hiberbate/blacklist-modules for which functionality to compile as modules
Dec 05 14:20:17 beejay	puggy: ok.. knowledge too 'minor' -- sorry :/
Dec 05 14:20:22 amir_	but i've read that when un-suspending you can screw up your root partition
Dec 05 14:20:24 brix	amir_: e.g. USB
Dec 05 14:20:24 puggy	beejay: thanks anyway.
Dec 05 14:20:48 brix	amir_: never happened to me
Dec 05 14:21:00 amir_	ahh! that's _good_ to hear
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Dec 05 14:21:16 brix	amir_: x86?
Dec 05 14:21:22 *	amir_ nods
Dec 05 14:21:30 brix	ok
Dec 05 14:21:47 brix	and no fancy binary blobs in your kernel space?
Dec 05 14:21:57 amir_	nvidia
Dec 05 14:22:05 amir_	that's a problem?
Dec 05 14:22:06 brix	I would try without that first
Dec 05 14:22:18 amir_	-> textmode
Dec 05 14:22:24 *	amir_ had that in mind anyway
Dec 05 14:23:36 amir_	brix: i feared to scew my root - great that that never happened to you - gives me quite a boost to try it out ;)
Dec 05 14:23:56 fmccor	Anarchy, I'm with you now.
Dec 05 14:24:00 amir_	brix: ah, speedstep stuff? that's a problem?
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Dec 05 14:24:33 amir_	brix: is there any replacement for that binary blob named nvidia?
Dec 05 14:24:35 beejay	brix: you have experiences with PDAs?
Dec 05 14:24:48 brix	amir_: I use speedstep without problems
Dec 05 14:25:00 *	amir_ was running gentoo only on servers till last week
Dec 05 14:25:11 brix	beejay: PDA as in Personal Digital Assistent?
Dec 05 14:25:22 beejay	brix: yes.
Dec 05 14:25:23 amir_	beejay: gentoo on Axim? ;))
Dec 05 14:25:25 brix	beejay: yes
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Dec 05 14:25:55 beejay	brix: which one could you reccomend regarding 'syncability' or even 'runability'?
Dec 05 14:26:05 beejay	brix: I was reading interesting things about IPaqs
Dec 05 14:26:11 brix	no idea
Dec 05 14:26:24 beejay	as always, you've been a great help ;P
Dec 05 14:26:25 *	amir_ listens carfully - he owns an Axim and would like to sync that
Dec 05 14:26:26 brix	I use Symbian based PDAs mostly
Dec 05 14:26:30 brix	beejay: welcome
Dec 05 14:26:36 beejay	brix: Symbian?
Dec 05 14:26:43 brix	Symbian OS
Dec 05 14:26:56 *	beejay looks
Dec 05 14:27:23 oya3un	lcars: ping
Dec 05 14:28:02 jkt|	oya3un: thanks for your -core message
Dec 05 14:28:19 jkt|	oya3un: btw, fox2mike has Arun Raghvan(?)'s mail
Dec 05 14:28:33 oya3un	Ah, ok. Want me to add it then?
Dec 05 14:28:43 oya3un	I thought he didn't want it published.
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Dec 05 14:29:27 jkt|	oya3un: I don't know, just saw it was missing
Dec 05 14:30:01 oya3un	Yep, that was deliberate. I never publish mail addresses without explicit consent of the author.
Dec 05 14:30:20 beejay	brix: oh... it's really just an OS. I was looking more for a specific model
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Dec 05 14:30:40 oya3un	beejay: Want my Zaurus? :)
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Dec 05 14:31:06 oya3un	fox2mike: Around?
Dec 05 14:31:47 beejay	oya3un: how much?
Dec 05 14:32:27 beejay	oya3un: and which model exactly?
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Dec 05 14:41:32 jkt|	oya3un: fox2mike is probably sleeping right now, he's from India
Dec 05 14:41:34 jaervosz	!herd sound
Dec 05 14:41:35 jeeves	jaervosz: (sound) chainsaw, eradicator, flameeyes, fvdpol, kito, matsuu, metalgod, ticho
Dec 05 14:41:51 jaervosz	^ping on bug #109834
Dec 05 14:41:55 GenBot	jaervosz: Bug 109834; "media-libs/yiff runs as root and opens any file a client asks for"; [Gentoo Security :: Default Configs]; {NEW}; Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/109834
Dec 05 14:43:38 brix	jaervosz: heh, nice feature
Dec 05 14:43:40 jkt|	oya3un, fox2mike: according to bugzie, Arun's mail is arunisgod at gmail
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Dec 05 14:44:04 jaervosz	brix: i used to work in the spam industry, remember?
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Dec 05 14:44:25 lisa	!herd net-mail
Dec 05 14:44:26 jeeves	lisa: (net-mail) anarchy, beu, ferdy, g2boojum, gregf, hansmi, hattya, langthang, lcars, max, nakano, robbat2, slarti, st_lim, strerror, ticho, tomk, tove
Dec 05 14:44:32 lisa	^^^  ping
Dec 05 14:44:33 ferdy	lisa: pong
Dec 05 14:44:41 strerror	lisa: pong
Dec 05 14:44:43 lisa	ferdy: do you grok courier-imap ?
Dec 05 14:44:47 strerror	but i'm busy so go go ferdy
Dec 05 14:44:55 ferdy	heh strerror
Dec 05 14:45:01 strerror	ferdy: <3
Dec 05 14:45:11 brix	jaervosz: heh
Dec 05 14:45:49 ferdy	lisa: I'm afraid that only robbat2 touches it... although I see that Flammeeyes commited some fixes to it lately
Dec 05 14:45:51 jaervosz	brix: just trying to get some real old bugs solved
Dec 05 14:46:01 lisa	ferdy: okay
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Dec 05 14:46:03 lisa	robbat2: ping
Dec 05 14:46:07 robbat2	i'm here
Dec 05 14:46:12 ferdy	lisa: If you need a good imap server, try dovecot, it is really nice :)
Dec 05 14:46:35 brix	jaervosz: so I see
Dec 05 14:46:35 lisa	robbat2: courier-imap no worky. why not? ;-)
Dec 05 14:46:55 robbat2	lisa: what's broken for you? I run it on production boxes without problems.
Dec 05 14:48:04 lisa	robbat2: it's silently failing to start
Dec 05 14:48:18 lisa	hmm
Dec 05 14:48:19 lisa	hold on
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Dec 05 14:49:31 lisa	robbat2: yep, silently failing.
Dec 05 14:49:55 zaheerm	Mr_Bones_: thx for fixing my stupidty :)
Dec 05 14:50:02 Mr_Bones_	np
Dec 05 14:51:00 lisa	robbat2: where should i look for errors?
Dec 05 14:51:27 robbat2	what version exactly>
Dec 05 14:52:01 lisa	4.0.1-r2
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Dec 05 14:59:30 amir_	hmmm..
Dec 05 14:59:39 *	amir_ thought gcc 3.4 is now stable
Dec 05 14:59:44 robbat2	lisa: try courier-imap 4.0.4
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Dec 05 14:59:59 amir_	why the heck does it want to downgrade my libstdc++-v3?!
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Dec 05 15:01:49 amir_	so one is supposed to use libstdc++-v3-3.3.4 with gcc-3.4 and not 3.3.6?
Dec 05 15:02:18 amne	amir_: did you unmask it yourself before via package.keywords and removed the entry now?
Dec 05 15:02:38 lisa	robbat2: why is it pmasked?
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Dec 05 15:03:07 lisa	oh wait
Dec 05 15:03:10 lisa	i masked it here. heh
Dec 05 15:03:12 amir_	amne: 'xatly
Dec 05 15:03:15 amir_	amne: 'xactly
Dec 05 15:03:35 amir_	amne: i was using 3.4 for a while now
Dec 05 15:04:03 amir_	do i really have to downgrade libstdc++-v3 to 3.3.4 to get in sync with stable?
Dec 05 15:04:23 amne	amir_: heh, same happened to me.
Dec 05 15:04:32 amir_	amne: what did you do?
Dec 05 15:04:40 amne	amir_: i doubt it makes much difference, i just added =sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.6 to my keywords file
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Dec 05 15:04:59 amir_	hmmm
Dec 05 15:05:03 *	amir_ will have to do the same
Dec 05 15:05:04 kerframil	amir_: unless you have any binaries hanging around that link to libstdc++.so.5 it doesn't even matter (I have sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 in profile/package.provided because I don't need it)
Dec 05 15:05:13 amne	but i guess downgrading should work fine, too. it's only necessary for -bin packages
Dec 05 15:05:25 kerframil	yes, the -bin packages are a pain :(
Dec 05 15:05:48 *	amir_ just does not want to have to recomplie a lot of packets just because of that
Dec 05 15:07:04 SuperLag	!herd kernel
Dec 05 15:07:05 jeeves	SuperLag: (kernel) brix, chainsaw, eradicator, genstef, gregkh, hollow, johnm, marineam, plasmaroo, r3pek, spock
Dec 05 15:07:07 amne	amir_: that's not needed, you'd have to recompile openoffice-bin or mozilla-bin ;-)
Dec 05 15:07:09 kerframil	amir_: you won't. the instnace of that library provided by both versions 3.3.4 and 3.3.6 of libstdc++-v3 are ABI compatible. it's just that the later one is equivalent to that provided by gcc-3.3.6, naturally.
Dec 05 15:08:16 amir_	so if i downgrade revdep-rebuild will not blow up with thousend of rebuilds?
Dec 05 15:08:53 kerframil	in terms of "revdep-rebuild --soname=libstdc++.so.5"? no.
Dec 05 15:09:05 amir_	hmmm
Dec 05 15:09:12 *	amir_ has no -bin packages installed ;)
Dec 05 15:09:12 kerframil	well revdep-rebuild with no arguments rather (bad way of putting it)
Dec 05 15:09:55 kerframil	amir_: if the command I just quoted shows no packages on your system then libstdc++-v3 is entirely superfluous on your system.
Dec 05 15:10:22 kerframil	as it is on mine for instance (a system which was bootstrapped with gcc-3.4.4 and also has no -bin packages)
Dec 05 15:10:38 *	amir_ bootstrapped with gcc-3.4 aswell
Dec 05 15:11:06 amir_	kerframil: so you would suppose to downgrade to be in-sync?
Dec 05 15:11:22 kerframil	what I'm saying is you probably don't need it in any capacity whatsoever.
Dec 05 15:11:32 *	amir_ is checking atm ;)
Dec 05 15:11:41 kerframil	try: revdep-rebuild -p --soname=libstdc++.so.5
Dec 05 15:11:54 amir_	it did output nothing
Dec 05 15:11:57 kerframil	exactly
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Dec 05 15:12:16 amir_	so this means i can safely downgrade
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Dec 05 15:12:34 kerframil	so you can, for example: echo "sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.4" >> /etc/portage/profile/package.provided
Dec 05 15:12:42 kerframil	and totally remove the libstdc++-v3 package from your system
Dec 05 15:12:45 kerframil	it has absolutely no relevance
Dec 05 15:12:59 amne	kerframil: iirc this may work, but -p is ignored. "revdep-rebuild --soname=libstdc++.so.5 -- -p"  should do
Dec 05 15:13:09 vapier	it does have relevance actually
Dec 05 15:13:09 amir_	yeah
Dec 05 15:13:17 amir_	-p has to be added in front ;)
Dec 05 15:13:19 kerframil	vapier: oh?
Dec 05 15:13:19 vapier	if it didnt, it wouldnt be in portage
Dec 05 15:13:20 lisa	robbat2: heh. courier-imap 4.0.4 fails to install. cp: cannot stat `/usr/portage/net-mail/courier-imap/files/courier-imap--gentoo-imapd.rc': No such file or directory install: cannot stat `/var/tmp/portage/courier-imap-4.0.4/temp/gentoo-imapd.rc': No such file or directory
Dec 05 15:13:39 vapier	you think we add random packages to portage for no reason ?
Dec 05 15:13:42 vapier	and then make gcc depend on it ?
Dec 05 15:13:45 kerframil	vapier: no, I do not
Dec 05 15:13:54 kerframil	vapier: I didn't mean "no relevant to anyone whatsoever"
Dec 05 15:14:01 lisa	vapier: btw, can you make gcc RDEPEND on gcc please?
Dec 05 15:14:08 *	lisa ducks
Dec 05 15:14:11 amir_	vapier: so, what's the reason for the package if nothing seems to depend on it?
Dec 05 15:14:14 vapier	i'll see what i can do
Dec 05 15:14:24 vapier	amir_: all the binary packages
Dec 05 15:14:27 vapier	java/games/whatever
Dec 05 15:14:32 amir_	ah, ic
Dec 05 15:14:36 kerframil	vapier: but if you have no binary packages that mandate the library's presence? and all C++ related stuff was built using gcc-3.4.4 and is linking to libstdc++.so.6* then I was under the impression it's not required.
Dec 05 15:14:41 kerframil	is that wrong?
Dec 05 15:14:41 amir_	so i better leave it on the system
Dec 05 15:14:47 robbat2	lisa: it seems your machine is ignoring the $RC_VER in that ebuild
Dec 05 15:14:51 vapier	kerframil: no, your more detailed statement is correct
Dec 05 15:14:51 amir_	vapier: but downgrading to 3.3.4 is ok?
Dec 05 15:15:09 kerframil	vapier: *phew* - I thought I had incurred your wrath :p
Dec 05 15:15:16 *	amir_ ahs
Dec 05 15:15:37 vapier	we've been forcing game binary packages to depend on libstdc++-v3
Dec 05 15:15:40 lisa	robbat2: i'm running emerge sync and seeing if that changes anything
Dec 05 15:15:48 kerframil	amir_: I'll rephrase: "it has no relevance in your (and my) particular scenario"
Dec 05 15:15:49 vapier	i think if we pushed for all bin packages to declare that depend, we could cut it from gcc
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Dec 05 15:15:53 robbat2	the ebuild refers to ${FILESDIR}/${PN}-${RC_VER}-gentoo-imapd.rc - and RC_VER is definetly set in my ebuild
Dec 05 15:15:56 *	amir_ grins towards kerframil 
Dec 05 15:16:24 lisa	robbat2: is it explicitly set in that ebuild (not through eclass?)
Dec 05 15:16:34 robbat2	yes
Dec 05 15:16:44 lisa	meep
Dec 05 15:16:45 vapier	me thinks amir_ plans to eat kerframil
Dec 05 15:16:50 lisa	i'll see what's happening
Dec 05 15:16:53 *	amir_ bows deeply towards kerframil & vapier 
Dec 05 15:17:00 amir_	thx 2u2
Dec 05 15:17:04 az	the other reason is to not get 200 bugs about users upgrading from gcc 3.3 to 3.4 or 4.0, and then not rebuilding everything as they should before unmerging old gcc
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Dec 05 15:17:48 kerframil	az: absolutely
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Dec 05 15:18:25 kerframil	I was only trying to point out to amir_ that it serves no functional purpose given the present state of his particular system (as he appeared to be concerned as to whether it would have any consequence or whether he would need to go recompiling stuff)
Dec 05 15:18:36 kerframil	I apologise if my wording was not appropriate
Dec 05 15:19:02 *	amir_ understands now
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Dec 05 15:20:16 vapier	we just dont want stuff being quoted out of context
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Dec 05 15:20:25 lisa	tell me about it
Dec 05 15:20:33 latexer	heh.
Dec 05 15:20:46 amir_	vapier: kerframil was just trying to help me ;)
Dec 05 15:22:18 *	vapier spanks amir_
Dec 05 15:22:59 kerframil	amir_: btw, I had no issue with using the -p parameter for revdep-rebuild as such
Dec 05 15:23:34 kerframil	I'm using gentoolkit-0.2.1_rc2 in case it matters
Dec 05 15:23:52 *	amir_ had to move it to the beginning so that it got recognized - but i had -- -p (copy&paste) from the gcc-3.4 docu
Dec 05 15:24:25 amne	amir_: really? according to my knowledge it gets ignored if not behind --
Dec 05 15:24:37 *	amir_ scrolls back
Dec 05 15:25:00 amir_	hmm... can't say - it found nothing to rebuild
Dec 05 15:25:00 amne	using 0.2.0-r3 here, revdep-rebuild -h says: Usage: /usr/bin/revdep-rebuild [OPTIONS] [--] [EMERGE_OPTIONS]
Dec 05 15:25:26 kerframil	amir_: try something entertaining (such as specifying libstdc++.so.6 instead)
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Dec 05 15:25:36 kerframil	that'll surely pick up a few packages ;)
Dec 05 15:26:00 amir_	ahhh
Dec 05 15:26:26 *	amir_ did not see that it tried to to emerge -pv and pressed ctrl-c in panic ;)
Dec 05 15:26:34 *	amir_ chuckles
Dec 05 15:26:43 amir_	no - it works as expected
Dec 05 15:26:50 *	amir_ is just to dumb to notice
Dec 05 15:27:36 lisa	robbat2: that's weird. i don't see ANY reason why it is ignoring RC_VER on that file
Dec 05 15:28:16 robbat2	lisa: on a random tangent, try changing the variable name
Dec 05 15:28:51 lisa	robbat2: good idea
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Dec 05 15:30:26 genstef	kloeri: your new recruit :)
Dec 05 15:31:10 kloeri	genstef: yeah, just need you to sign off on the answers on the bug
Dec 05 15:31:29 kloeri	genstef: I'll push it through when I get that
Dec 05 15:32:20 genstef	kloeri: nice, thanks
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Dec 05 15:32:45 genstef	kloeri: is there some example answer list?
Dec 05 15:33:10 hd_brummy	kloeri: hi
Dec 05 15:33:21 kloeri	nope, but developers should know the answers by heart :)
Dec 05 15:33:25 kloeri	hiya hd_brummy
Dec 05 15:33:31 genstef	yeah, of course I do
Dec 05 15:33:43 genstef	well, I guess I will have to read it again then :/
Dec 05 15:33:50 hd_brummy	kloeri: fine , a have now a new recruiter :)
Dec 05 15:34:05 amne	hd_brummy: hi, i suppose you're german and a truck driver? ;-)
Dec 05 15:34:10 kloeri	genstef: just sign off if you're happy with the answers - I'm going through them as well so we should catch any big mistakes
Dec 05 15:34:41 genstef	kloeri: ok, please have a closer look at it
Dec 05 15:34:46 hd_brummy	kloeri: yeah sometimes, maybe for 3-4 weeks in a 1/4 yehr
Dec 05 15:34:51 genstef	kloeri: I have already talked with him about his answers
Dec 05 15:35:01 kloeri	hd_brummy: nod, let's see if I can manage not to screw everything up :)
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Dec 05 15:35:28 kloeri	genstef: k, just note that on the bug and I'll be happy
Dec 05 15:35:57 genstef	kloeri: please dont bet me to hard if he made anything wrong ;)
Dec 05 15:36:16 kloeri	genstef: we're requiring mentors to sign off to make sure they actually discuss answers with the recruits as that hasn't always been obvious..
Dec 05 15:36:29 kloeri	I'm sure it's fine
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Dec 05 15:40:22 lisa	robbat2: Renaming the variable did the trick.
Dec 05 15:40:26 robbat2	weird
Dec 05 15:40:29 robbat2	what version of portage?
Dec 05 15:40:29 lisa	yea
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Dec 05 15:40:37 robbat2	could you file a bug about it?
Dec 05 15:40:42 lisa	Portage 1.589-cvs (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.4.4, glibc-2.3.5-r3, 2.6.7-hardened-r17 i686)
Dec 05 15:40:49 lisa	yeh
Dec 05 15:40:50 hd_brummy	kloeri: where are you form, denmark?
Dec 05 15:40:58 hd_brummy	SuperLag:form:from:
Dec 05 15:42:17 lisa	robbat2: reckon i should cc portage guys?
Dec 05 15:42:20 SuperLag	hd_brummy: huh?
Dec 05 15:42:21 genstef	hd_brummy: use, s/// to circumvent the tab completion
Dec 05 15:42:37 robbat2	lisa: I mean file a bug to them
Dec 05 15:42:47 hd_brummy	SuperLag: sry mistake by tab completiion
Dec 05 15:42:54 lisa	robbat2: ah okay. heh
Dec 05 15:42:59 robbat2	lisa: you can CC me, but it's a bug in portage
Dec 05 15:43:02 lisa	robbat2: okay
Dec 05 15:43:05 lisa	well
Dec 05 15:43:12 lisa	let me test with the new portage and see if it's been fixed
Dec 05 15:43:20 genstef	hd_brummy: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/userinfo.xml see that page, yes he is from denmark :)
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Dec 05 15:43:47 SuperLag	uh oh
Dec 05 15:43:52 SuperLag	there went the neighborhood :)
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Dec 05 15:44:00 hd_brummy	genstef: thx, for small talk about him ;)
Dec 05 15:44:24 kloeri	yup, cold and rainy denmark :)
Dec 05 15:44:30 genone	lisa: what's wrong with portage?
Dec 05 15:44:59 lisa	genone: it's evidently unsetting variables
Dec 05 15:45:01 hd_brummy	kloeri: i have any freiends in kopenhagen & kalound borg
Dec 05 15:45:19 genone	lisa: that's a vague statement ...
Dec 05 15:45:20 genstef	hd_brummy: s/any/some
Dec 05 15:45:20 kloeri	hd_brummy: ahh, I live in copenhagen
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Dec 05 15:45:45 lisa	genone: scroll up about a half hour and see the conversation between robin and myself
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Dec 05 15:46:59 hd_brummy	kloeri: ive been there any yers age, a dont habe not enough kontakt t my friends, yust 3 5 mails by the year, *shame*
Dec 05 15:47:17 hd_brummy	s/age/ago/
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Dec 05 15:47:46 genstef	hd_brummy: use "some" instead of "any"!
Dec 05 15:48:52 kloeri	hd_brummy: nod, all too common losing contact with good friends
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Dec 05 15:52:50 hd_brummy	kloeri: maybe next year i will visit my friends, is not so far, 1 1/2 to the ferry, 2 on ferry, 1 to kopenhagen,
Dec 05 15:53:37 kloeri	hd_brummy: cool
Dec 05 15:54:01 genone	lisa: hmm, looks weird, but somewhere I've seen that before, can't remember where though. Anyway, if you're using 2.1_alpha, don't file a bug (2.1 is dead)
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Dec 05 15:54:51 hd_brummy	kloeri: may be we can meet us in christiania, for a small drink, like 'Black turkey' ;)
Dec 05 15:54:53 lisa	genone: i "updated" to 2.0.53
Dec 05 15:55:02 kloeri	hd_brummy: heh :)
Dec 05 15:55:37 genone	lisa: still happening?
Dec 05 15:55:41 hd_brummy	kloeri: oh man , i was so drunke :D
Dec 05 15:56:39 lisa	genone: one thing at a time ;-) have to get imap working first
Dec 05 15:57:05 kloeri	hd_brummy: haha :)
Dec 05 15:57:17 lisa	it compiles and starts... just need to get the auth module working
Dec 05 15:57:25 latexer	!herd gnome
Dec 05 15:57:26 jeeves	latexer: (gnome) allanonjl, dang, foser, joem, leonardop, obz, spider
Dec 05 15:57:29 latexer	^^ ping.
Dec 05 15:57:39 hd_brummy	kloeri: du er snake tysk ?
Dec 05 15:57:58 lisa	not a snake tysk! noooo i hear they're poisonous! :p
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Dec 05 16:01:26 kloeri	hd_brummy: no, my german mostly consists of 'danke' :)
Dec 05 16:01:29 anti	Anyone know of something compatible with Windows Media Connect for linux? Trying to connect my xbox 360 to my linux box to stream music :)
Dec 05 16:01:52 hd_brummy	kloeri: hehe, same my like in greek :)
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Dec 05 16:02:33 kloeri	ohh, my greek is even worse ;p
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Dec 05 16:04:07 Chainsaw	anti: GMediaServer, afaik.
Dec 05 16:04:22 Chainsaw	anti: http://www.nongnu.org/gmediaserver/
Dec 05 16:04:26 hd_brummy	kloeri: think i know any words more in greek, then in danish, im there for hollyday every year
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Dec 05 16:04:47 kloeri	hd_brummy: nod
Dec 05 16:05:08 hd_brummy	kloeri: nod = ?
Dec 05 16:05:27 lisa	a reciprocating vertical motion of the head
Dec 05 16:05:31 Chainsaw	hd_brummy: He is moving his head vertically once. This generally indicates agreement.
Dec 05 16:06:08 kloeri	heh, great having people jump in to explain my weird notions :)
Dec 05 16:06:48 lisa	Right. imaps working. now to test portage!
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Dec 05 16:07:38 hd_brummy	ok, thx iam not really trusted with IRC slang
Dec 05 16:07:40 Chainsaw	kloeri: My german is limited to "Ich htte gern ein Bratwurst mit Senf."
Dec 05 16:07:56 Chainsaw	kloeri: That way, I'm sure that I will not die from starvation if I ever get stranded there.
Dec 05 16:08:01 anti	Chainsaw: I guess I'll see if it works tonight :) thanks
Dec 05 16:08:14 hd_brummy	kloeri: LOL, this was very correct
Dec 05 16:08:28 kloeri	Chainsaw: heh, I should try to remember that :)
Dec 05 16:08:29 robbat2	Chainsaw, that's too complex. Just ask 'einne biere'
Dec 05 16:08:47 lisa	my german is limited to yelling loudly in English: "I AM SORRY! BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU - WHICH WAY TO THE CHEESE SHOP?"
Dec 05 16:08:48 hd_brummy	kloeri: u know this word 'poelsetysker'? Hehehe
Dec 05 16:08:54 Chainsaw	anti: Your magic word is 'uPnP', at any rate. Windows Media Connect is just a fancy name for the uPnP media server protocol.
Dec 05 16:09:05 kloeri	hd_brummy: yes ;p
Dec 05 16:09:29 Chainsaw	robbat2: There is only one kind of beer that I care about, and I doubt they have it in germany.
Dec 05 16:09:30 genone	robbat2: what's that supposed to mean?
Dec 05 16:09:54 anti	Chainsaw: thanks, didn't know that :)
Dec 05 16:10:00 hansmi	genone: "a beer"
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Dec 05 16:10:44 genone	hansmi: Ein Bier is aber was anderes ;)
Dec 05 16:11:00 Chainsaw	I should try to think of something useful in french. All I know now is: "Je ne parle de francais, je m'excusez."
Dec 05 16:11:32 nattfodd	Chainsaw: that would be "Je ne parle pas franais, excusez-moi" :)
Dec 05 16:11:40 nattfodd	or "je m'excuse"
Dec 05 16:11:42 Chainsaw	nattfodd: They understand it.
Dec 05 16:12:14 Chainsaw	nattfodd: And they probably appreciate my broken french more then an english reply as well.
Dec 05 16:12:15 hd_brummy	genstef: thx, for teaching :) i am a littel bit rosted to use my englesh
Dec 05 16:12:22 robbat2	back in 10 minutes, need some food
Dec 05 16:12:48 latexer	Let this be a lesson: Friends don't let friends IRC drunk.
Dec 05 16:13:05 Chainsaw	nattfodd: Besides that, if I say it gramatically correct, they might think I'm joking.
Dec 05 16:13:24 nattfodd	Chainsaw: that's certainly much better than an average French speaking english
Dec 05 16:14:03 Chainsaw	The french that I'm in a callcentre with have that exact movie-french accent. It's rather nice.
Dec 05 16:14:19 Chainsaw	Like the Meruvingian in recent matrix movies. Quite like that.
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Dec 05 16:14:53 nattfodd	real french do not speak english so fluently with this tiny little accent...
Dec 05 16:15:04 nattfodd	I'm glad you can't hear mine :)
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Dec 05 16:15:18 hd_brummy	ok, thx for smaltalk, im off now
Dec 05 16:16:14 hd_brummy	kloeri: once again, meet me most times on #gentoo-vdr
Dec 05 16:16:36 kloeri	hd_brummy: ok
Dec 05 16:19:15 lisa	genone: robbat2: works without the alpha portage
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Dec 05 16:33:04 Chainsaw	nvidia-kernel maintainer; two thumbs up.
Dec 05 16:33:10 Chainsaw	New release is packaged before I even read about it :)
Dec 05 16:33:15 jforman	haha
Dec 05 16:33:20 jforman	!cl nvidia-kernel
Dec 05 16:33:34 rl03	jforman: hey, how's bugzie-test coming along?
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Dec 05 16:33:59 jforman	rl03: coming along. i think i will have time in the next 48 hours to implement it. just need to make sure all the settings are correct
Dec 05 16:34:05 jforman	havent heard any major complaining
Dec 05 16:34:18 rl03	ok, just checking
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Dec 05 16:34:51 jforman	rl03: hows cambridge treating ya?
Dec 05 16:34:58 rl03	jforman: lovely
Dec 05 16:35:07 rl03	f*&^ing snow
Dec 05 16:35:14 jforman	hah! yeah, i heard
Dec 05 16:35:20 jforman	spoke to some friends in the 'burbs today
Dec 05 16:35:28 rl03	jforman: didya move?
Dec 05 16:35:40 jforman	rl03: nope, still in NY. hoping for boston once i graduate in the spring
Dec 05 16:35:45 rl03	oh right
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Dec 05 16:36:07 rl03	jforman: oh, i had a devwiki q for you. i think i locked myself out of a page
Dec 05 16:36:19 jforman	locked yourself out?
Dec 05 16:36:44 rl03	jforman: can't edit my own todo list :\
Dec 05 16:36:46 zaheerm	whats the recommended way in RDEPEND of saying > 0.8.9 but = 0.8* of a package?
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Dec 05 16:37:11 latexer	there is no recommended way.
Dec 05 16:37:14 latexer	(apparently)
Dec 05 16:37:14 jforman	rl03: i will ping you later when i am back from class. about to run off
Dec 05 16:37:20 rl03	jforman: ok, thanks
Dec 05 16:38:01 genone	zaheerm: || ( 0.8.9 0.8.10 0.8.11 ... )
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Dec 05 16:38:16 latexer	errr. yeah.
Dec 05 16:38:19 latexer	that's what i meant. (:
Dec 05 16:38:28 tannewt	zaheerm, get my email?
Dec 05 16:38:33 tigger^	ey latexer
Dec 05 16:38:37 zaheerm	tannewt: yep thx
Dec 05 16:38:40 latexer	tigger^: hey. how goes?
Dec 05 16:38:44 tigger^	not bad ta
Dec 05 16:39:40 zaheerm	genome: thx
Dec 05 16:39:49 rl03	tigger^: hey, did you ever try rt + lighttpd?
Dec 05 16:40:18 tigger^	rl03: not yet
Dec 05 16:40:28 rl03	oki
Dec 05 16:40:37 tigger^	keep putting it off
Dec 05 16:40:41 tigger^	we have ot upgrade the database for that
Dec 05 16:40:44 *	tigger^ cringes
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Dec 05 16:41:19 rl03	fun
Dec 05 16:41:28 tannewt	cshields, did you see my blog post about my roadtrip this summer?
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Dec 05 16:42:48 cshields	tannewt: the documentary?
Dec 05 16:42:52 cshields	I briefed it
Dec 05 16:43:01 cshields	you should swing by the OSL
Dec 05 16:43:26 tannewt	cshields, yeah thats what I was thinking
Dec 05 16:43:45 tannewt	cshields, it'd be one of our last stops before getting home I think
Dec 05 16:44:19 cshields	added
Dec 05 16:44:23 cshields	where do you live?
Dec 05 16:44:46 tannewt	cshields, seattle area, I'm at UW
Dec 05 16:44:57 cshields	psssh..   just hop on amtrak, 5 hr trip south
Dec 05 16:45:29 tannewt	cshields, I'd drive down there for some events
Dec 05 16:45:43 cshields	come to OSCON next year
Dec 05 16:45:43 tannewt	I have family in Portland I could stay with
Dec 05 16:46:22 tannewt	cshields, totally
Dec 05 16:46:37 robbat2	lisa: thanks
Dec 05 16:46:46 latexer	tannewt: just added myself to the map, if you care. (:
Dec 05 16:46:59 tannewt	latexer, awesome
Dec 05 16:47:21 tannewt	latexer, crazy LA driving yay
Dec 05 16:48:33 latexer	tannewt: i'm not directly in the sh*t traffic, but you'd end up going through it prolly, yeah. (:
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Dec 05 16:49:20 tannewt	latexer, :-)
Dec 05 16:49:59 tannewt	anyone from the southern united states?
Dec 05 16:50:30 cshields	could hit up dmwaters and get an interesting accessibility perspective on the culture
Dec 05 16:50:38 solar	tannewt: yes
Dec 05 16:50:48 robbat2	tannewt, I added myself as well
Dec 05 16:50:48 cshields	she is in pensacola
Dec 05 16:50:49 latexer	tannewt: weeve's  in colorado, iirc.
Dec 05 16:50:59 tannewt	cool
Dec 05 16:51:02 cshields	colorad != southern
Dec 05 16:51:12 tannewt	doubt I'll make it to Colorado
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Dec 05 16:51:50 robbat2	tannewt, I had to dig to find the map link, maybe post it more directly in your blog again, asking more devs to put themselves on it
Dec 05 16:52:08 tannewt	alright
Dec 05 16:52:31 tannewt	there is a road trip blog at http://www.echolife.net/roadtrip06
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Dec 05 16:54:51 zx	workout or happy hour :o
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Dec 05 16:58:28 zaheerm	!herd alpha
Dec 05 16:58:28 jeeves	zaheerm: (alpha) agriffis, ferdy, kloeri, yoswink
Dec 05 16:58:32 zaheerm	!ping
Dec 05 16:58:37 ferdy	zaheerm: pong
Dec 05 16:59:02 zaheerm	ferdy: gst-plugins 0.8.8 is stable on alpha, but gst-plugins-alsa is not even ~
Dec 05 16:59:25 zaheerm	ferdy: gst-plugins 0.8.8 has a dep on gst-plugins-alsa
Dec 05 16:59:46 kloeri	zaheerm: probably a fallout from alsa being masked until recently
Dec 05 17:00:03 ferdy	zaheerm: moreover, gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.10 is stable on alpha
Dec 05 17:00:06 zaheerm	any chance you can add stable of alpha to gst-plugins-0.8.8 ?
Dec 05 17:00:32 zaheerm	gst-plugins-alsa 0.8.8 i mean
Dec 05 17:00:36 kloeri	yeah, I'll fix it
Dec 05 17:00:41 zaheerm	kloeri: that would explain why repoman only complaisn now
Dec 05 17:01:00 zaheerm	ie the alsa mask
Dec 05 17:01:05 SuperLag	robbat2: how's your house coming along?  Have you guys got the plumbing worked on yet?
Dec 05 17:01:22 robbat2	SuperLag, plumbers are there today and tommorow
Dec 05 17:01:22 kloeri	zaheerm: nod
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Dec 05 17:01:26 robbat2	no water tonight
Dec 05 17:01:34 robbat2	they're replacing the main water line
Dec 05 17:01:51 SuperLag	tannewt: I'm in Missouri, if that counts.
Dec 05 17:01:52 ferdy	zaheerm: that'll fix it for you ? then I might forget :P
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Dec 05 17:02:12 tannewt	SuperLag, you interested in being part of my documentary?
Dec 05 17:02:15 SuperLag	tannewt: it's more Midwest, that it is Southern, though
Dec 05 17:02:31 SuperLag	tannewt: catch me up... what's this documentary
Dec 05 17:02:34 tannewt	SuperLag, add yourself and we might make it there
Dec 05 17:03:00 tannewt	SuperLag, http://www.echolife.net/roadtrip06
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Dec 05 17:03:03 robbat2	tannewt, could you also see about doing keysigning with all open source folk that you meet?
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Dec 05 17:03:25 tannewt	robbat2, sure, if I really understood keysigning :-P
Dec 05 17:03:26 SuperLag	tannewt: you're a UDub student, eh?
Dec 05 17:03:36 SuperLag	tannewt: ever been to Port Angeles?
Dec 05 17:03:39 tannewt	SuperLag, yup yup
Dec 05 17:03:39 robbat2	that would do a good job in linking the web-of-trust in north america
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Dec 05 17:03:56 robbat2	tannewt, well, any direct questions, email me
Dec 05 17:03:56 tannewt	SuperLag, yeah, parents house is on the Kitsap Peninsula
Dec 05 17:04:33 SuperLag	tannewt: I was born in Seattle, and raised in Port Angeles.  Haven't been back home in 11 years though.
Dec 05 17:05:08 tannewt	SuperLag, hmm, why not?
Dec 05 17:06:04 *	tannewt looks at google maps interface
Dec 05 17:08:09 SuperLag	tannewt: working, traveling, and other stuff that makes it a VERY long story. :)
Dec 05 17:08:21 SuperLag	tannewt: and school
Dec 05 17:08:22 tannewt	SuperLag, :-)
Dec 05 17:09:08 solar	you asked about the south? which of south{west,central,east} did you want to know about?
Dec 05 17:09:26 SuperLag	solar: not your part :)
Dec 05 17:09:32 tigger^	charming
Dec 05 17:09:34 *	SuperLag whistles innocently
Dec 05 17:09:48 tannewt	solar, well I know the general areas I'd like to go and the south is one of those general areas
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Dec 05 17:11:41 solar	which south of the 3 regions?
Dec 05 17:12:11 tannewt	solar, we'll travel through all three
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Dec 05 17:16:36 tannewt	SuperLag, dunno if we'll make it to your neck of the woods
Dec 05 17:16:54 SuperLag	*sniff*
Dec 05 17:17:00 SuperLag	no one wants to come see me
Dec 05 17:17:12 tannewt	SuperLag, we'll see as it gets closer
Dec 05 17:17:17 *	SuperLag waits for the insults. :)
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Dec 05 17:20:14 geoman	SuperLag: heh, you're from Kansas Shitty
Dec 05 17:20:25 SuperLag	I rest my case.
Dec 05 17:20:33 tannewt	lol
Dec 05 17:20:44 tannewt	gotta run, bye
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Dec 05 17:24:20 latexer	SuperLag: yeah, your dot on the map does seem to be in the middle of f'ing nowhere.
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Dec 05 18:04:52 genone	Ticho: ping
Dec 05 18:05:21 Ticho	yes?
Dec 05 18:06:02 genone	I assume you're going to add RSSyl to the tree when you're ready?
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Dec 05 18:08:53 genone	!seen g2boojum
Dec 05 18:08:54 GenBot	g2boojum was last seen 2 weeks, 7 hours, 58 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying 'FlAFKeyes: Huh?' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 05 18:08:58 genone	:(
Dec 05 18:09:10 glbt	genone, g2boojum is right here!
Dec 05 18:09:43 genone	glbt: doesn't help me
Dec 05 18:10:10 az	genone: is was about in the last day or so .. just dont say much in here
Dec 05 18:10:17 az	s/is/he/
Dec 05 18:15:14 Ticho	genone: yes, i'll add it, but 0.2 is still not worth adding
Dec 05 18:15:34 Ticho	too easy to break
Dec 05 18:16:27 latexer	d*mn you gnome herd, appear!
Dec 05 18:16:50 Ticho	let's all just start using gnome and take over the herd :>
Dec 05 18:17:07 geoman	heh
Dec 05 18:17:17 Ticho	i'm considering switching to gnome
Dec 05 18:17:17 genone	hmm, guess I should file a sc-1.9 stabilization bug somewhere these days
Dec 05 18:17:19 geoman	that practically happened already
Dec 05 18:17:24 bonsaikitten	Ticho, i'd have used a simple approach ;-)
Dec 05 18:17:29 bonsaikitten	Ticho, but yours works faster
Dec 05 18:17:33 geoman	with the gentopia folks
Dec 05 18:17:37 Ticho	:>
Dec 05 18:17:42 *	antarus was going to say, remove gnome..
Dec 05 18:17:51 bonsaikitten	antarus, eggsactly :-)
Dec 05 18:18:18 Ticho	ok, we'll redirect the angry mob your way, antarus
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Dec 05 18:18:44 geoman	oooo, you mean we could get rid of gnome and antarus in one fell swoop?
Dec 05 18:19:13 antarus	see I have one supporter already :p
Dec 05 18:19:21 Ticho	:>
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Dec 05 18:20:54 bonsaikitten	antarus, I'll help :-)
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Dec 05 18:51:27 Anarchy	got any eclass buffs in here that can assist me for a min?
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Dec 05 18:53:40 rane	:|
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Dec 05 19:15:18 SpanKY	hrm, sf takes a cut of donations to projects
Dec 05 19:15:23 SpanKY	that seem kind of gay to anyone else ?
Dec 05 19:16:35 `Kumba	sounds normal to me
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Dec 05 19:21:56 ReJ	Is it a reasonable share that SF takes?
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Dec 05 19:24:32 SpanKY	dunno if it's a % or a hard fee
Dec 05 19:24:38 SpanKY	they sniped $12.50
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Dec 05 19:29:28 Chainsaw	SpanKY: And your donation was $15.00?
Dec 05 19:29:54 SpanKY	$250.00
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Dec 05 19:30:22 Chainsaw	Still not nice of them, but that's not an awful amount.
Dec 05 19:30:31 Chainsaw	I would have paid more on a money transfer.
Dec 05 19:30:39 SpanKY	i guess i dont believe in fees
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Dec 05 19:31:06 SpanKY	i want to send XXX dollars to someone, i fully expect them to receive XXX dollars
Dec 05 19:31:12 Chainsaw	I'm sure they can't live on kind words alone, though.
Dec 05 19:31:18 KingTaco	SpanKY, everyones got to get their piece
Dec 05 19:31:19 steev	you send porn money?
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Dec 05 19:32:13 SpanKY	no, i received pr0n money
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Dec 05 19:32:25 SpanKY	WANNA SEE WHAT FOR
Dec 05 19:32:32 steev	no, i really don't
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Dec 05 19:32:49 latexer	please god no.
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Dec 05 19:33:13 SpanKY	pfft, prudes
Dec 05 19:33:44 latexer	i prefer not to have to gouge my own eyes out.
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Dec 05 19:35:28 antarus	no one wants to see your grandpa porn
Dec 05 19:36:06 SpanKY	you cant even tell he's past his prime
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Dec 05 19:36:50 latexer	you drove Chainsaw away.
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Dec 05 19:37:20 KingTaco	SpanKY, btw, did you receive my email about the new dev box?
Dec 05 19:37:26 SpanKY	KingTaco: i already added it
Dec 05 19:37:37 KingTaco	SpanKY, cool, recently?
Dec 05 19:37:52 SpanKY	recently enough for it to have hit the web notes
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Dec 05 19:37:54 SpanKY	nodes even
Dec 05 19:38:03 SpanKY	you're talking about sid.amd64.dev.gentoo.org right ?
Dec 05 19:38:04 KingTaco	thanks SpanKY 
Dec 05 19:38:06 KingTaco	SpanKY, yeah
Dec 05 19:38:14 KingTaco	it's there
Dec 05 19:38:26 KingTaco	thanks again
Dec 05 19:38:54 SpanKY	jesus, you dont have to brown nose so much
Dec 05 19:39:00 SpanKY	take a breath every now and then
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Dec 05 19:40:06 KingTaco	I odn't need to brown nose, you allready did what I asked
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Dec 05 19:40:18 SpanKY	well it doesnt hurt !
Dec 05 19:40:20 SpanKY	[me]
Dec 05 19:40:46 KingTaco	but I'd love you long time if you could get me an 8 way opteron
Dec 05 19:40:55 steev	hmm
Dec 05 19:41:10 KingTaco	or I'd convince one of jformans goats to do so
Dec 05 19:41:11 SpanKY	we all have our wishlists
Dec 05 19:41:19 SpanKY	i wish i had an iyonix pc for example
Dec 05 19:41:35 KingTaco	never heard of that
Dec 05 19:42:00 SpanKY	600mhz arm box w/nvidia geforce 2
Dec 05 19:42:20 KingTaco	just saw the page, that looks like fun to hack on
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Dec 05 19:42:34 SpanKY	isnt exactly fun in the wallet
Dec 05 19:42:53 KingTaco	indeed
Dec 05 19:43:08 KingTaco	1000 stearling aint cheap
Dec 05 19:43:28 SpanKY	i tried e-mailing the dudes looking for a stripped down box
Dec 05 19:43:31 SpanKY	never got back to me
Dec 05 19:43:34 SpanKY	maybe i'll e-mail em again
Dec 05 19:43:38 KingTaco	the aria cube is only 800 though
Dec 05 19:43:40 SpanKY	and send one every weak
Dec 05 19:43:45 KingTaco	heh, just cron it
Dec 05 19:44:09 KingTaco	have you gone the donation route?
Dec 05 19:44:16 steev	hmm
Dec 05 19:45:05 SpanKY	i'm willing to shell out some money
Dec 05 19:45:17 SpanKY	they gotta run a business after all, and why should they care about linux
Dec 05 19:45:26 KingTaco	what do they run on it then?
Dec 05 19:45:34 SpanKY	RISC OS 5
Dec 05 19:46:26 KingTaco	looks like they support linux though
Dec 05 19:46:30 KingTaco	they have a page for it
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Dec 05 19:46:48 KingTaco	" This computer is now available for developers interested in running Linux on XScale™ technology."
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Dec 05 19:48:32 KingTaco	maybe you have to be a debian developer...
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Dec 05 19:50:02 steev	spyderous: so, after this upgrade, and i've re-emerged mesa - i get glx module not found
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Dec 05 19:51:33 SpanKY	maybe i'll call em ... what do you think the rates are to the UK ?
Dec 05 19:51:56 steev	depends, typically 40c minute
Dec 05 19:53:59 KingTaco	SpanKY, 3.5c/min with stanaphone
Dec 05 19:54:12 KingTaco	voip++
Dec 05 19:54:28 SpanKY	or better yet, make ciaranm call for me
Dec 05 19:54:38 KingTaco	thats smart...
Dec 05 19:55:37 SpanKY	$0.28 with cingular (my mobile provider)
Dec 05 19:55:54 KingTaco	thats not too bad
Dec 05 19:56:05 KingTaco	t-mobile was something like 45c for my plan
Dec 05 19:56:08 steev	sprint is .19
Dec 05 19:56:10 spyderous	steev: and do you have a libglx provided by xorg-server, and opengl-update selected it?
Dec 05 19:56:29 steev	good question, lemme find out
Dec 05 19:56:35 SpanKY	so that's like 2.80 for 10 minutes
Dec 05 19:56:41 SpanKY	i'll just just make ciaranm do it :)
Dec 05 19:56:48 KingTaco	heh
Dec 05 19:57:08 *	ciaranm isn't here
Dec 05 19:57:17 ciaranm	KingTaco made me lose all faith in humanity
Dec 05 19:57:19 steev	eselect opengl show shows xorg-x11
Dec 05 19:57:20 SpanKY	i was gonna wait till tomorrow to bug you
Dec 05 19:57:41 steev	usr/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
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Dec 05 19:57:59 SpanKY	spyderous: speaking of xorg gl issues ... my libGLU.so went AFK (modular X) and even after running eselect, it wouldnt come back
Dec 05 19:58:16 spyderous	SpanKY: that bug should be fixed, was temporary thing in mesa postinst
Dec 05 19:58:26 SpanKY	spyderous: so a re-emerge of mesa would fix it ?
Dec 05 19:58:33 spyderous	ya
Dec 05 19:58:33 steev	all shortcuts show they are proper links - libGL.so points to //usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so
Dec 05 19:58:40 SpanKY	k, i just symlinked it myself
Dec 05 19:59:11 KingTaco	ciaranm, I imagine that humanity could say the same about you
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Dec 05 19:59:16 spyderous	i had a find -name libGL.* -type l | xargs rm instead of libGL\.*
Dec 05 19:59:37 ciaranm	opteron-based sparcs indeed... *sigh*
Dec 05 19:59:44 spyderous	steev: you're talking about libglx, what does libGL have to do with that?
Dec 05 20:00:06 KingTaco	funny, it was clear to everyone else what I meant
Dec 05 20:00:09 steev	was just checking to make sure that stuff was ok? - never been a huge 3d person
Dec 05 20:00:17 ciaranm	KingTaco: well if it was clear, why were you asking?
Dec 05 20:00:41 KingTaco	is it a pc in a sun box or is there something more to it
Dec 05 20:00:53 ciaranm	and you're asking sparc@ because...?
Dec 05 20:00:59 KingTaco	it's a sun
Dec 05 20:01:06 SpanKY	ciaranm: so how about it ? :) care to call iyonix for me and see if they'd sell a cube to me w/out any extra crap ?
Dec 05 20:01:11 ciaranm	KingTaco: ...
Dec 05 20:01:16 ciaranm	SpanKY: you wha?
Dec 05 20:01:47 *	antarus notes that it's [e-mail] and not [e-mail] ;)
Dec 05 20:01:49 KingTaco	ciaranm, if there is any group that knows about sun crap, it would be sparc
Dec 05 20:01:54 ciaranm	KingTaco: uh...
Dec 05 20:02:12 ciaranm	KingTaco: so we should direct any questions about ia64 to x86@ then?
Dec 05 20:02:30 SpanKY	ciaranm: call [phone] and see if they'd sell a Aria Cube (DVD) at a discount to a linux dev
Dec 05 20:02:33 KingTaco	ciaranm, I'm sure many were directed there when ia64 first came out
Dec 05 20:02:50 ciaranm	SpanKY: just email them, foo
Dec 05 20:03:07 SpanKY	i did, they didnt resond
Dec 05 20:03:10 SpanKY	respond
Dec 05 20:03:28 SpanKY	man, the USD has really gone downhill wrt the GBP
Dec 05 20:03:30 SpanKY	stupid US
Dec 05 20:03:31 spyderous	steev: try `ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.*`
Dec 05 20:03:37 ciaranm	KingTaco: riiiiiight... would you like to field the next round of alchemy questions then?
Dec 05 20:03:53 steev	lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 46 Dec  5 03:18 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so -> //usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/extensions/libglx.so
Dec 05 20:04:09 spyderous	steev: also make sure ModulePath isn't in your xorg.conf, and you've recompiled stuff w/ revdep-rebuild.
Dec 05 20:04:15 spyderous	in particular, mesa, xorg-server and your driver
Dec 05 20:04:34 steev	those all got done with the emerge - thought revdep-rebuild did want to rebuild mesa, so i did
Dec 05 20:04:40 KingTaco	ciaranm, but it's ok, I know you don't have hte answer. maybe someone more knowledgeable will be able to tell me
Dec 05 20:04:44 steev	should i rebuild the driver again?
Dec 05 20:04:51 SpanKY	tell you to take a hike !
Dec 05 20:05:00 spyderous	just check whether it's linked against libdrm 2 instead of 1
Dec 05 20:05:05 ciaranm	KingTaco: of course i have the answer. unlike some, i can read the product spec page
Dec 05 20:05:09 steev	i do have modulepath set - its set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules
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Dec 05 20:05:21 steev	unset it
Dec 05 20:05:25 steev	restarting X
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Dec 05 20:05:33 ciaranm	KingTaco: here's a hint: it doesn't say "sparc" on it anywhere except in the "comparison with" context
Dec 05 20:05:47 KingTaco	and it doesn't say PC either
Dec 05 20:05:54 ciaranm	because it's not a PC, silly
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Dec 05 20:09:31 ciaranm	*sigh* summary for those who think they understand but don't: sparc ~ x86. sun4u ~ pc. sun ~ dell.
Dec 05 20:09:56 ciaranm	sun are not the only people who make or sell sparc kit. sun sell lots of kit that is not sparc.
Dec 05 20:12:50 KingTaco	and see how much you know about what sun does
Dec 05 20:13:47 ciaranm	about as much as i'd expect anyone else vaguely related to the it industry to know
Dec 05 20:15:09 KingTaco	yeah, if they were tied to solaris
Dec 05 20:15:24 ciaranm	what's sparc@ got to do with solaris?
Dec 05 20:15:38 antarus	jesus god neither of you are 12, so quit acting like it
Dec 05 20:15:50 KingTaco	it's the OS that comes on most of your hardware
Dec 05 20:16:04 ciaranm	KingTaco: ok. so are you an expert on windows xp?
Dec 05 20:16:21 KingTaco	the analgy isn't true
Dec 05 20:16:35 KingTaco	and yes, I've been forced to support XP for many years
Dec 05 20:16:55 ciaranm	everyone take note: KingTaco wants all windows xp questions to be directed to amd64@
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Dec 05 20:17:35 KingTaco	wow
Dec 05 20:17:46 KingTaco	yeah, I'm allmost upset by that
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Dec 05 20:23:00 klieber	that should help you guys out
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Dec 05 20:23:24 KingTaco	hahahah
Dec 05 20:23:45 ciaranm	all questions about debian.org to be sent to [e-mail]
Dec 05 20:25:25 antarus	klieber++
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Dec 05 20:27:46 araujo	Hello Gentoo'ers!
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Dec 05 20:30:19 ciaranm	heh. klieber's stealing my lines
Dec 05 20:30:44 *	araujo succesfully updated to gcc3.4
Dec 05 20:33:05 jforman	araujo: you run OOo2 ?
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Dec 05 20:33:29 araujo	jforman, No, i don't.
Dec 05 20:33:40 araujo	And i am happy.
Dec 05 20:33:42 jforman	hmmm okay.
Dec 05 20:33:42 araujo	:-]
Dec 05 20:33:49 jforman	cant get OOO2 to compile with 3.4
Dec 05 20:33:52 steev	hmm, i see there is a -r1, so i will try that and then see if i can get this glx stuff working
Dec 05 20:34:02 MetalGOD	steev, will you commit gnome-power-manager soon ?
Dec 05 20:34:02 ciaranm	why oh why must sourceforge's cvs suck so much?
Dec 05 20:34:17 steev	MetalGOD: likely the next release
Dec 05 20:34:49 steev	by then, the patches from hal should be in, to fix running the shutdown scripts properly
Dec 05 20:34:51 MetalGOD	steev, ahh great
Dec 05 20:37:09 steev	spyderous: could it be that im missing rgb for some reason?
Dec 05 20:38:13 agaffney	jforman: it compiles just fine for me with 3.4.4
Dec 05 20:38:15 araujo	Well, i still don't go through a long testing of the system, but the update looked smooth
Dec 05 20:38:30 jforman	agaffney: hmmm..cflags?
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Dec 05 20:38:59 agaffney	jforman: CFLAGS="-march=athlon-tbird -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
Dec 05 20:39:09 gustavoz	jforman: i've got it working with 3.4.4-r1 even on sparc!
Dec 05 20:39:10 nerdboy	jforman: same here, although it takes a complete dump after importing a powerpoint file with notes
Dec 05 20:39:55 ciaranm	gustavoz: is that an opteron sparc?
Dec 05 20:40:05 agaffney	heh
Dec 05 20:40:08 gustavoz	ciaranm: no, a power mips!
Dec 05 20:40:31 spyderous	steev: it could be that RgbPath in your xorg.conf is wrong too, but that generally doesn't prevent X from starting.
Dec 05 20:41:02 steev	no, its not preventing it from starting
Dec 05 20:42:15 jforman	hmmm, i will have to check out wtf is going on with my Ooo2 then
Dec 05 20:42:43 agaffney	jforman: I've compiled it with USE=java and -java
Dec 05 20:42:56 agaffney	and that was with my sparc helping via cross-distcc
Dec 05 20:44:42 ciaranm	why is firefoxdeerpark 1.5 so slow?
Dec 05 20:49:31 solar	cuz it's built on a framework that probably uses c++
Dec 05 20:50:29 ciaranm	wrong answer! it's a well known fact that c++ is faster than c, foo!
Dec 05 20:50:40 solar	wrong again ciaranm
Dec 05 20:50:56 solar	comeon dont make me loose faith you
Dec 05 20:51:19 ciaranm	http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq2.html#sort
Dec 05 20:51:40 solar	ciaranm: give me a hello world app
Dec 05 20:51:49 solar	I'll give you one. lets benchmark
Dec 05 20:53:08 ciaranm	http://rafb.net/paste/results/nId0Cd13.html
Dec 05 20:53:41 ciaranm	now give me an app to read in 10k integers from stdin and write them out again in sorted order
Dec 05 20:54:08 klieber	ciaranm: didn't you get it fully measured the last go-round?  I don't think it's grown much since then...
Dec 05 20:54:33 cshields	yeah, I think it grew all it was going to when KingTaco said "sparc"
Dec 05 20:54:40 klieber	3 inches is still 3 inches, no matter what you do to it...
Dec 05 20:54:41 ciaranm	klieber: the tape measure was too short :(
Dec 05 20:57:24 Weeve	klieber: I thought that's why they invented metric, so they could feel better about themselves
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Dec 05 20:57:50 solar	ha your app does not even compile out of the box :p
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Dec 05 20:58:30 solar	10k int sorted does not sound fun. I'll give you c++ is much better for rapid development
Dec 05 20:58:31 klieber	Weeve: haha
Dec 05 20:58:56 ciaranm	it compiles on any standard c++ compiler, foo!
Dec 05 20:59:59 solar	what makes c++ great also is what hurts it. All the constructor/deconstructor prologue/epilogue routines
Dec 05 21:00:11 solar	it's like calling functionings behind your back
Dec 05 21:00:13 ciaranm	you don't pay for something you don't use inj c++
Dec 05 21:00:15 solar	functions
Dec 05 21:00:31 morfic	maybe he invoked gcc instead of g++ ;P
Dec 05 21:00:37 ciaranm	constructors are called explicitly. destructors are called in an entirely deterministic way
Dec 05 21:00:51 ciaranm	unlike, say, c# or java, c++ doesn't do things unless you ask for them
Dec 05 21:01:22 Weeve	yeah java gave me a purple nurple :(
Dec 05 21:01:51 araujo	java--
Dec 05 21:02:27 Merlin	halc: around?
Dec 05 21:02:53 Weeve	and because of that, I need to get in touch with my feminine side by eating a half-gallon of ice cream because of the non-sensical depression it caused
Dec 05 21:03:11 solar	ciaranm: ready for some fact?
Dec 05 21:03:14 solar	tinderbox ~ # ./1407 ./cpp
Dec 05 21:03:14 solar	Please wait
Dec 05 21:03:14 solar	hello world
Dec 05 21:03:14 solar	Number of machine instructions : 1409193
Dec 05 21:03:14 solar	Completed in 21 seconds
Dec 05 21:03:15 solar	tinderbox ~ # ./1407 ./main
Dec 05 21:03:17 solar	Please wait
Dec 05 21:03:19 solar	hello world
Dec 05 21:03:21 solar	Number of machine instructions : 118296
Dec 05 21:03:23 solar	Completed in 1 seconds
Dec 05 21:03:52 ciaranm	now try again with the right compiler switches
Dec 05 21:04:06 solar	gime them to me baby
Dec 05 21:04:22 solar	extern int write();int main() {return write(1, "hello world\n",12);}
Dec 05 21:04:22 morfic	hello world as test case is like using glxgears for 3D benchmarking
Dec 05 21:04:39 ciaranm	morfic: that too
Dec 05 21:05:04 spyderous	if running glxgears is what you care about, then glxgears makes a great benchmark
Dec 05 21:05:10 spyderous	but if you're playing games, you should be benchmarking games
Dec 05 21:05:28 spyderous	by analogy..
Dec 05 21:05:41 morfic	spyderous: both serve as a proof of concept/"it works" nothing more
Dec 05 21:06:57 ciaranm	solar: -nostdinc++ -fno-rtti is a good start
Dec 05 21:07:20 araujo	oh dam... my firefox themes are not available for latest version....
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Dec 05 21:08:23 solar	ciaranm: it hates puts() with those flags.
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Dec 05 21:08:55 ciaranm	yick. it should still have the <c> headers
Dec 05 21:09:19 ciaranm	*shrug* either way, try it with a real benchmark
Dec 05 21:10:03 ciaranm	something easy like reading in whitespace-separated integers from standard input and displaying unique sorted values as output would be fine
Dec 05 21:10:28 solar	point being c++ is extended c and then some.. It has more overhead.
Dec 05 21:10:44 solar	not sure why you want to debate it has any chance of being faster
Dec 05 21:10:52 solar	when you know better :)
Dec 05 21:11:02 ciaranm	heh. you'll lose on the sorting benchmark by a factor of seven
Dec 05 21:11:06 araujo	oh.. it isn't firefox.. but deerpark :-P
Dec 05 21:11:39 solar	c++ native .sort vs qsort() you mean?
Dec 05 21:11:47 ciaranm	std::sort vs qsort, yes
Dec 05 21:12:30 ciaranm	heh. or there's the whole "error handling" thing
Dec 05 21:12:59 solar	perhaps yeah on the sorting. dunno have not had much need to really sort much myself.
Dec 05 21:13:07 solar	error handling c++ would win hands down
Dec 05 21:13:10 ciaranm	in non-trivial code c++ exception handling is usually faster than the c equivalent, unless the c programmer goes crazy and manually codes all the goto stuff
Dec 05 21:13:39 ciaranm	anything involving callbacks can be faster in c++ too, since c only lets you pass pointers to functions rather than raw code as parameters
Dec 05 21:14:08 ciaranm	and chances are, the people who wrote your STL implementation are a lot smarter and have had a lot more time to do optimisations than your home-brewed c strings and containers
Dec 05 21:14:24 ciaranm	*shrug* so really, c++ is only slower if you screw up
Dec 05 21:14:26 solar	what do you mean c only lets you? c++ is pretty much nothing more than c with an ass load of structs and uninons
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Dec 05 21:14:45 ciaranm	solar: c doesn't support passing functions as parameters to functions
Dec 05 21:14:52 ciaranm	solar: you can only pass a *pointer* to a function
Dec 05 21:15:06 solar	whats the problem with that?
Dec 05 21:15:15 solar	extra cast?
Dec 05 21:15:25 ciaranm	hence the silly sort performance differences. c++ inlines comparing two ints, which costs one clock cycle. in c you've got to make a function call, which is usually a dozen or so cycles
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Dec 05 21:18:31 *	Now talking on #gentoo-dev
Dec 05 21:18:31 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev is: Gentoo Development || cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate.
Dec 05 21:18:31 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev set by Ramereth at Wed Nov 30 14:09:34 2005
Dec 05 21:18:31 *	ChanServ sets modes [#gentoo-dev +o KingTaco]
Dec 05 21:19:38 Merlin	"
Dec 05 21:20:16 Merlin	"Stroustrup:    It was only supposed to be a joke, I never thought people would take the book seriously. Anyone with half a brain can see that object-oriented programming is counter-intuitive, illogical and inefficient."
Dec 05 21:20:36 ciaranm	heh. hence the complete lack of oo in the standard library?
Dec 05 21:21:59 Merlin	this is a great interview with stroustrup: http://www.alledegodenavnevaroptaget.dk/interview.html
Dec 05 21:22:02 Merlin	about c++
Dec 05 21:22:06 Merlin	it's the best
Dec 05 21:22:38 ciaranm	noo, it explains the standard library completely
Dec 05 21:23:02 ciaranm	"inheritance? we don't need no stinkin' inheritance!"
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Dec 05 21:32:40 Merlin	halcy0n: alive?
Dec 05 21:32:58 latexer	!herd gnome
Dec 05 21:32:59 jeeves	latexer: (gnome) allanonjl, dang, foser, joem, leonardop, obz, spider
Dec 05 21:33:02 latexer	^^ ping.
Dec 05 21:34:03 AllanonJL	latexer: pong
Dec 05 21:34:34 latexer	AllanonJL: control-center-2.12.2, it unconditionally adds -Wextra which freaks older (3.3.x) gcc versions.
Dec 05 21:34:39 latexer	AllanonJL: known issue?
Dec 05 21:35:01 AllanonJL	latexer: i've seen someone mention that, let me check the bugs
Dec 05 21:35:21 latexer	found something in the fedora bugzie about it too.
Dec 05 21:35:45 AllanonJL	bug #114533 perhaps?
Dec 05 21:35:48 GenBot	AllanonJL: Bug 114533; "emerging gnome-base/control-center-2.12.2 fails with gcc-3.3.6"; [Gentoo Linux :: GNOME]; {NEW}; Schricker->Gentoo Linux Gnome Desktop Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114533
Dec 05 21:36:14 latexer	AllanonJL: indeed.
Dec 05 21:36:23 latexer	AllanonJL: http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg24787.html
Dec 05 21:36:38 latexer	AllanonJL: how some folks are managing it. (:
Dec 05 21:37:12 AllanonJL	haha, well thats one way to do it :)
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Dec 05 21:59:20 Ramereth	!weather 66503
Dec 05 21:59:21 gibot	Ramereth: Manhattan, Kansas at 8:52 PM CST on December 05, 2005: [Temp: 12 F / -11 C Clear] [Hum: 62%] [Wind: N/A]
Dec 05 21:59:22 Alfred	Ramereth: Manhattan, KS (66503) at 8:52 PM CST on Dezember 5, 2005: Fair [Temp: 12 F / -11 C] [Windchill: 1 F / -17 C] [Hum: 52%] [Wind: 8 mph 14 km/h from the West Northwest] [Pressure: 30.15 in / 1021.0 hPa]
Dec 05 21:59:23 Ramereth	brrr
Dec 05 22:00:50 cshields	wtf?
Dec 05 22:00:53 cshields	another bot?
Dec 05 22:01:09 rane	omg
Dec 05 22:01:10 agaffney	blackace: send away your inferior Alfred
Dec 05 22:01:12 cshields	give me a reason why we need another fscking bot
Dec 05 22:01:20 cshields	1 bot tops..  maybe 2
Dec 05 22:01:36 agaffney	blackace brought it in here because gibot couldn't do weather for a particular location
Dec 05 22:01:39 agaffney	and then it never left
Dec 05 22:01:44 agaffney	gibot was actually requested :)
Dec 05 22:01:46 Ramereth	we can fix that :-)
Dec 05 22:01:51 agaffney	heh
Dec 05 22:01:54 rane	:)
Dec 05 22:02:12 cshields	GO TO WEATHER.COM YOU LAZY BASTARDS!
Dec 05 22:02:24 agaffney	but we're lazy bastards
Dec 05 22:02:41 *	klieber sets modes [#gentoo-dev -o Alfred]
Dec 05 22:02:42 agaffney	if p2's weather wasn't broken, gibot wouldn't be here
Dec 05 22:02:51 klieber	don't op bots...it's bad, stupid practice
Dec 05 22:03:04 agaffney	klieber: he's got Alfred linked to his own nick
Dec 05 22:03:07 cshields	don't op bot admins..  they just don't get it
Dec 05 22:03:19 agaffney	I had gibot voice'd separately from me
Dec 05 22:03:20 klieber	blackace: don't op the damn bot....
Dec 05 22:03:57 *	rane sets modes [#gentoo-dev +v Alfred]
Dec 05 22:04:02 *	rane sets modes [#gentoo-dev -o Alfred]
Dec 05 22:04:05 rane	resolved, fixed
Dec 05 22:04:13 Ramereth	we don't need another bot
Dec 05 22:04:17 Ramereth	please remove him
Dec 05 22:04:18 *	klieber has kicked Alfred from #gentoo-dev (come back when you know how to behave.  (or, better yet, don't))
Dec 05 22:04:26 Ramereth	klieber: ty
Dec 05 22:04:30 rane	:)
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Dec 05 22:10:34 Halcy0n	Merlin: pong
Dec 05 22:11:23 Merlin	halc: i had a question about http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20653
Dec 05 22:11:30 Merlin	halc: and noticed you were involved with it :)
Dec 05 22:13:24 Halcy0n	Ah, what's up?
Dec 05 22:13:44 Merlin	halc: well firstly, i can't believe that that fix hasn't been backported to 3.4
Dec 05 22:14:21 Halcy0n	Merlin: why not?  Its not extremely critical and requires an interesting set of cflags.
Dec 05 22:14:50 Merlin	halc: well i got hit by it!
Dec 05 22:15:04 Merlin	halc: in any case, i found that it hits different flags and i was trying to isolate what flags cause it
Dec 05 22:15:11 Merlin	halc: solar ended up pointing me in the right direction
Dec 05 22:15:33 Halcy0n	I could look at the patch and see how involved it is.  I might be able to backport it.
Dec 05 22:16:03 AllanonJL	latexer: should be all set now
Dec 05 22:16:04 Merlin	halc: i was able to compile fine with both -O3 and -ftracer, but had to remove -fprefetch-loop-arrays
Dec 05 22:16:31 Halcy0n	Merlin: could you throw the preprocessed source up so I have a testcase?
Dec 05 22:17:02 Merlin	halc: preprocessed when it breaks, right?
Dec 05 22:18:03 Halcy0n	Merlin: well, should be the same either way, but yea.
Dec 05 22:18:27 latexer	AllanonJL: rock. thanks.
Dec 05 22:20:24 Merlin	halc: how do I get that? it's not -S, right?
Dec 05 22:21:05 Halcy0n	Merlin: just add -save-temps.  It should give you a ${file}.i
Dec 05 22:21:09 Halcy0n	Or .ii if its C++
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Dec 05 22:22:18 Merlin	halc: gcc -E
Dec 05 22:22:37 Halcy0n	Merlin: does the same thing, just dumps it to stdout.
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Dec 05 22:24:55 Merlin	halcy0n: http://dev.gentoo.org/~merlin/tables.i.bz2
Dec 05 22:25:10 Merlin	halc: it's from bison, in case you're curious :)
Dec 05 22:27:08 Halcy0n	Merlin: cflags to reproduce?
Dec 05 22:27:46 Merlin	halc: -march=k6-2 -mtune=k6-2 -O3 -pipe -fforce-addr -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -frerun-cse-after-loop -frerun-loop-opt -falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays -ftracer
Dec 05 22:29:11 Merlin	halc: if i remove -fprefetch-loop-arrays it assembles perfectly
Dec 05 22:30:00 Halcy0n	Merlin: it only fails with that set of flags?
Dec 05 22:30:35 Merlin	halc: i haven't tried every combination of flags, but -fprefetch-loop-arrays seems to be the key
Dec 05 22:30:48 Merlin	halc: oh, I can also simply change -O3 to -O2 and still use -fprefetch-loop-arrays
Dec 05 22:30:52 Merlin	halc: that succeeds as well
Dec 05 22:31:04 Merlin	halc: but -O3 + -fprefetch-loop-arrays fails
Dec 05 22:31:10 Merlin	halc -O2 + -fprefetch-loop-arrays is fine
Dec 05 22:32:39 Merlin	halc: and -O3 + -fno-prefetch-loop-arrays is fine
Dec 05 22:33:09 Halcy0n	`gcc -march=k6-2 -O3 -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -c tables.i` is what I've narrowed it down to
Dec 05 22:33:39 Halcy0n	What do you actually have in your cflags and what was added by the build?
Dec 05 22:34:15 Merlin	halc: the build didn't add anything
Dec 05 22:34:28 Halcy0n	Merlin: alright, you are crazy then :)
Dec 05 22:34:36 Merlin	no no
Dec 05 22:34:46 Merlin	what you narrowed it down to is what i narrowed it down to
Dec 05 22:34:49 Merlin	we are on the same page
Dec 05 22:35:02 Merlin	i found two ways to fix it
Dec 05 22:35:10 Halcy0n	Merlin: okay, and what do you have defined in your make.conf for CFLAGS?
Dec 05 22:35:15 Merlin	-march=k6-2 -mtune=k6-2 -O3 -pipe -fforce-addr -fomit-frame-pointer -fun
Dec 05 22:35:16 Merlin	roll-loops -frerun-cse-after-loop -frerun-loop-opt -falign-functions=4 -ftracer
Dec 05 22:35:21 Merlin	-fprefetch-loop-arrays
Dec 05 22:35:27 Merlin	but i recently removed -fprefetch-loop-arrays
Dec 05 22:35:31 Halcy0n	Okay, I repeat, you are crazy :)
Dec 05 22:35:35 Merlin	why?
Dec 05 22:35:52 Halcy0n	I'd expect breakage with that set of flags.
Dec 05 22:35:54 Merlin	i run this on at least 25 boxes
Dec 05 22:35:57 Merlin	with no problems
Dec 05 22:36:07 Merlin	only kernel Oopses because i run my own patched kernel too
Dec 05 22:36:10 Merlin	hahah
Dec 05 22:36:14 Merlin	but that's another kind of crazy
Dec 05 22:37:06 Halcy0n	Well, with that knowledge, I don't see fixing this as being critical.  It requires someone to have 4 specific flags, so the affects should be minimal.
Dec 05 22:37:36 Merlin	halc: very well :p
Dec 05 22:37:47 Merlin	halc: which fix causes less of a performance hit?
Dec 05 22:38:05 Halcy0n	Merlin: CFLAGS="-O2 -march=k6-2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"  :)
Dec 05 22:38:17 Halcy0n	Anything else of benefit should be added by the build process.
Dec 05 22:38:20 Merlin	so boring!
Dec 05 22:38:30 Halcy0n	CFLAGS are not magical incantations :)
Dec 05 22:38:36 Merlin	no sense of adventure :P
Dec 05 22:38:41 Halcy0n	They don't make sucky code go faster.
Dec 05 22:39:05 Merlin	i know
Dec 05 22:39:42 Halcy0n	I'm not going to try and backport a patch that upstream didn't do and possibly introduce ICEs to fix this obscure issue though.
Dec 05 22:41:27 Merlin	halc: i understand
Dec 05 22:41:34 Merlin	halc: i'm happy now with my workaround anyway
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Dec 05 22:44:31 Mr_Bones_	anyone know what's happened to gentooexperimental.org?
Dec 05 22:46:13 Halcy0n	Mr_Bones_: I could come up with a bunch of comments, but none would be helpful unfortunately.
Dec 05 22:47:31 Mr_Bones_	I want meatoo back
Dec 05 22:49:27 beejay	I want some coffee.
Dec 05 22:50:09 ReJ	!herd net-mail
Dec 05 22:50:10 jeeves	ReJ: (net-mail) anarchy, beu, ferdy, g2boojum, gregf, hansmi, hattya, langthang, lcars, max, nakano, robbat2, slarti, st_lim, strerror, ticho, tomk, tove
Dec 05 22:50:24 ReJ	wow
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Dec 05 22:58:35 beejay	Mr_Bones_: change the query -- it's Kugelfang's birthday today
Dec 05 22:58:43 beejay	s/query/topic/
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Dec 05 23:10:03 *	SpanKY has changed the topic to: Gentoo Development || cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
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Dec 05 23:14:48 ReJ	Aw, that's sweet.
Dec 05 23:19:52 nerdboy	someone's kid has discovered IRC...
Dec 05 23:20:05 nerdboy	hey, that's my kid!
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Dec 05 23:39:58 ReJ	!meta boost
Dec 05 23:40:02 jeeves	ReJ: Package: dev-libs/boost  Herd: cpp Maintainer: [e-mail]
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Dec 05 23:41:19 ReJ	morfic: Seems boost_1_33_1.tar.bz2 has not hit the mirrors or even gentoo.osuosl.org yet.
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Dec 05 23:45:14 morfic	i just bumped the ebuild, it fetched it on digesting just fine
Dec 05 23:46:14 morfic	ReJ: have you checked the SRC_URI?
Dec 05 23:47:03 ReJ	Checked against what? :)
Dec 05 23:47:16 morfic	look again
Dec 05 23:48:07 ReJ	Anyway, it keeps timing out on the SF mirrors.
Dec 05 23:48:31 ReJ	I don't know what the policy is regarding boost...
Dec 05 23:54:54 Mr_Bones_	vapier: app-xemacs/fsf-compat/fsf-compat-1.12.ebuild: ~ia64(default-linux/ia64/2005.0) ['app-editors/xemacs', 'app-xemacs/xemacs-base']
Dec 06 00:02:24 SpanKY	done
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Dec 06 00:06:26 SuperLag	anyone here good with Excel-fu?
Dec 06 00:06:28 SuperLag	I've got a column of dates entered in YYYYMMDD format, that I need to convert to MM/DD/YY format, and the normal format column process just yields #########
Dec 06 00:06:49 morfic	make the column wider
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Dec 06 00:07:01 SuperLag	morfic: tried that
Dec 06 00:07:09 morfic	then you are on your own
Dec 06 00:07:21 ReJ	Make the column wider still?
Dec 06 00:07:32 beejay|work	morning punks.
Dec 06 00:08:14 SuperLag	ReJ: it's not a matter of not having enough room, unfortunately
Dec 06 00:09:08 ReJ	SuperLag: Else, edit the format of the cells somehow through Format -> Cell properties or some such command. Choose Custom and enter the incomprehensible format assignment that Excel expects.
Dec 06 00:12:02 phreak``	bah, stupid slow sun ;(
Dec 06 00:12:09 phreak``	morning folks :)
Dec 06 00:13:01 morfic	ReJ: looks like the internet is wonly tonight, period, keeps stalling when trying to up the tarball
Dec 06 00:13:24 morfic	s/nly/nky/
Dec 06 00:13:39 ReJ	morfic: Thought so too. Of course, SF mirrors are always slow. :)
Dec 06 00:14:06 ReJ	Managed to download eventually.
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Dec 06 04:37:38 johnm	lisa: got a small UPS already, but it wont do much :)
Dec 06 04:38:05 lisa	johnm: its a start
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Dec 06 04:39:11 johnm	lisa: should power the server & router & wireless bridge for 20 mins tho
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Dec 06 05:16:49 tigger^	how come emerge sync is so slow now?
Dec 06 05:17:16 tigger^	The post-rsync bit seems to take forever
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Dec 06 05:20:13 ReJ	Because of all the KDE updates? Profile changes?
Dec 06 05:21:36 UberLord	tigger^: use the python-cdb module for portage - it solves that issue quite well
Dec 06 05:21:51 UberLord	tigger^: but then as it's in the forums, I guess you wouldn't know about it ;)
Dec 06 05:24:14 tigger^	I wouldn't
Dec 06 05:24:17 tigger^	got a link?
Dec 06 05:24:43 UberLord	sec
Dec 06 05:24:52 axxo	just use the official patch
Dec 06 05:25:10 UberLord	http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-261580-highlight-python+cdb.html
Dec 06 05:25:42 UberLord	hmmm, last time I tried the official patch things broke - has the patch been updated?
Dec 06 05:25:56 UberLord	(was around a month ago)
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Dec 06 05:27:16 tigger^	axxo: where is it?
Dec 06 05:27:33 axxo	? inurl:cache inurl:backport
Dec 06 05:27:34 jeeves	http://dev.gentoo.org/~ferringb/portage/2.0/3.0-cache-backport-experimental-7.patch
Dec 06 05:27:41 tigger^	axxo: ta
Dec 06 05:27:44 tigger^	hmm
Dec 06 05:27:45 tigger^	brian
Dec 06 05:27:51 tigger^	not sure I trust it then
Dec 06 05:27:53 *	tigger^ grins
Dec 06 05:28:13 axxo	works fine on 53
Dec 06 05:28:18 marienz	tigger^: should be in .54 or .55 anyway, so not trusting it may be problematic :P
Dec 06 05:28:34 tigger^	marienz: come on, I was kidding
Dec 06 05:28:45 tigger^	Everyone trusts Brian's python
Dec 06 05:28:46 *	tigger^ coughs
Dec 06 05:30:37 axxo	its better then current portage python's
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Dec 06 05:35:48 UberLord	marienz: that patch is going into .54 or .55?
Dec 06 05:36:02 *	UberLord had better get testing it then to see if my issue was fixored
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Dec 06 05:39:07 marienz	UberLord: not sure, gentoo-portage-dev list is discussing that
Dec 06 05:39:54 UberLord	k
Dec 06 05:40:10 UberLord	marienz: you know why paxutils is now a dep of .53? that's kinda sucky
Dec 06 05:40:26 marienz	UberLord: for a bunch of extra qa checks and/or FEATURES=stricter iirc
Dec 06 05:41:23 UberLord	but surely I need a pax enabled kernel, and only hardened-sources provides that
Dec 06 05:41:32 UberLord	or possibly selinux
Dec 06 05:41:32 marienz	UberLord: err, no. package is a bit misnamed.
Dec 06 05:41:42 *	UberLord raises an eyebrow
Dec 06 05:41:47 marienz	UberLord: it has some generally useful tools for extracting information from elf binaries
Dec 06 05:41:53 UberLord	oh
Dec 06 05:42:13 marienz	UberLord: some of the information it extracts is particularly useful for pax users, but the checks portage uses it for are not pax-related.
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Dec 06 05:42:24 UberLord	that's gonna play havoc with g/fbsd then
Dec 06 05:42:25 tigger^	it's used for checking RPATH problems
Dec 06 05:47:08 UberLord	yah
Dec 06 05:47:19 UberLord	patch fucked my portage totally
Dec 06 05:47:31 marienz	UberLord: did you apply the needed ebuild modification too?
Dec 06 05:48:06 UberLord	what ebuild modification?
Dec 06 05:48:14 marienz	UberLord: main problem with the patch I know of was people just applying it in src_unpack not getting the files installed (because they live in a new subdir)
Dec 06 05:48:21 UberLord	oh ffs
Dec 06 05:48:24 UberLord	where is that documented?
Dec 06 05:48:34 marienz	UberLord: initially it wasn't, let's see if it is now :)
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Dec 06 05:51:39 UberLord	how do I create a binary portage tbz so I can get my main partition working again?
Dec 06 05:51:57 tigger^	UberLord: reverse the patch?
Dec 06 05:52:01 tigger^	patch -R
Dec 06 05:52:08 UberLord	tigger^: assume that emerge do not work
Dec 06 05:52:13 tigger^	UberLord: reverse the patch?
Dec 06 05:52:14 tigger^	patch -R
Dec 06 05:52:15 tigger^	:P
Dec 06 05:52:19 tigger^	Where does emerge come into it?
Dec 06 05:52:20 marienz	blah, can't find docs on it
Dec 06 05:52:22 axxo	UberLord: just unpack it, and copy the py files
Dec 06 05:52:30 tigger^	or that
Dec 06 05:52:35 axxo	/usr/lib/portage/pym/
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Dec 06 05:54:33 UberLord	phew
Dec 06 05:54:49 UberLord	marienz: so whats the ebuild modification then?
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Dec 06 05:55:39 marienz	UberLord: I don't know :( haven't tried the patch myself
Dec 06 05:55:48 UberLord	oh that's just rich :)
Dec 06 05:55:54 marienz	UberLord: applying the patch "live" in /usr/lib/portage/pym/ is kinda ugly but should work.
Dec 06 05:58:28 UberLord	works for me
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Dec 06 06:00:36 tigger^	ey chris :P
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Dec 06 06:07:37 UberLord	ka0ttic: pingy
Dec 06 06:07:55 ka0ttic	UberLord: pong
Dec 06 06:08:08 ka0ttic	tigger^: heh hey. almost didnt see that
Dec 06 06:08:11 tigger^	;)
Dec 06 06:08:35 UberLord	ka0ttic: fbpanel do not work with modular X - compiles fine but does not run a_WM_NET_STATE symbol not found
Dec 06 06:09:19 ka0ttic	UberLord: hmmm your guess is as good as mine unfortunately
Dec 06 06:09:42 ka0ttic	UberLord: dont have a modular X install to mess with it atm
Dec 06 06:09:55 UberLord	ka0ttic: darn. I've spent a few hours trying to find what's missing, but I have nfc
Dec 06 06:10:06 UberLord	ka0ttic: what's odd is that other "panels" work like champs
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Dec 06 06:35:07 jkt|	avenj: ping
Dec 06 06:35:28 jkt|	cybersystem: ping
Dec 06 06:35:51 jkt|	!seen klasikahl
Dec 06 06:35:53 GenBot	klasikahl was last seen 4 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 44 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying 'hm the main page works maybe it's just this project these two projects that messed things up' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 06 06:35:53 glbt	klasikahl (n=zack@gentoo/developer/klasikahl) was last seen quitting from #gentoo 7 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes ago stating (Client Quit).
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Dec 06 06:36:33 jkt|	klieber: ping
Dec 06 06:36:50 jkt|	lcars: ping
Dec 06 06:37:13 jkt|	time to clean up my bugs, especially #107610 :-)
Dec 06 06:37:57 klieber	jkt|: that's fine
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Dec 06 06:39:08 jkt|	klieber: thanks
Dec 06 06:40:31 tigger^	ey kur
Dec 06 06:40:32 tigger^	t
Dec 06 06:40:40 klieber	ey ro
Dec 06 06:40:40 klieber	b
Dec 06 06:40:43 tigger^	gi
Dec 06 06:40:44 tigger^	t
Dec 06 06:40:47 klieber	:)
Dec 06 06:40:53 tigger^	:
Dec 06 06:40:54 tigger^	P
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Dec 06 06:45:22 Betelgeuse	spyderous: ping
Dec 06 06:47:20 Betelgeuse	Anyone know in which package do I find gccmakedep in modular X?
Dec 06 06:48:18 brix	what would people recommend for a plain and simple POP3 server? I just need it for testing purposes
Dec 06 06:48:23 brix	dovecot?
Dec 06 06:48:50 UberLord	dovecot fairly simple
Dec 06 06:48:53 Ticho	yep, dovecot is plain and simple enough
Dec 06 06:49:00 brix	ok
Dec 06 06:49:01 brix	thanks
Dec 06 06:57:39 lisa	courier ;)
Dec 06 06:57:43 lisa	heh
Dec 06 06:58:07 UberLord	courier has issues
Dec 06 06:58:23 lisa	people who use courier have issues
Dec 06 06:58:29 UberLord	heh - true enough
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Dec 06 06:59:00 UberLord	mind, it's got one v nice feature that dovecot has not - the ability to expire/trash messages in folder names after n days
Dec 06 06:59:24 UberLord	could alays write a cron script, but heh
Dec 06 07:00:51 jforman	SuperLag: yes?
Dec 06 07:03:38 jforman	wow, i am surprised my email to -core hasnt spurred a flame war. i am proud of you guys
Dec 06 07:04:00 axxo	thats totaly flame bait
Dec 06 07:04:26 Betelgeuse	jforman: Why would a new bugzilla version be a reason for a flame war? At least for me it seems to fix an annoying bug.
Dec 06 07:05:12 jforman	Betelgeuse: because i have yet to find a topic that does not have the possiblity of pissing someone off in gentoo enough to start an assinine flamewar on -core
Dec 06 07:05:15 rane	maybe it's just not a season to hunt goats
Dec 06 07:05:36 phreak``	s/goats/jforman/ ;)
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Dec 06 07:06:22 rane	or maybe they are all sleeping/working
Dec 06 07:06:27 brix	jforman: don't get me started!!!11one
Dec 06 07:06:36 rane	nobody answered my mail also ;)
Dec 06 07:06:57 jkt|	!metadata gentoolkit
Dec 06 07:06:59 jeeves	jkt|: Package: app-portage/gentoolkit  Herd: tools-portage Maintainer: tools-portage
Dec 06 07:07:07 jkt|	!herd tools-portage
Dec 06 07:07:08 jeeves	jkt|: (tools-portage) fuzzyray, genone, johnm, karltk, port001, tercel
Dec 06 07:07:44 jkt|	^^ ping on bug 114566
Dec 06 07:07:47 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 114566; "GCC upgrade guide: better use -p with revdep-rebuild , not -pv"; [Docs-user :: Other]; {NEW}; Benno Schulenberg->Gentoo Developers for the x86 Architecture; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114566
Dec 06 07:08:06 jforman	what ?!!?
Dec 06 07:08:13 jforman	that bug title doesnt even make sense
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Dec 06 07:09:18 brix	jforman: flame away
Dec 06 07:09:28 UberLord	flame on!
Dec 06 07:09:33 jforman	brix: i dont have the motivation to act like an ass, like others do
Dec 06 07:09:35 ---	UberLord is now known as UberTorch
Dec 06 07:09:51 brix	jforman: heh
Dec 06 07:09:52 jkt|	jforman: well, reporter wanted to suggest using `revdep-rebuild -p -v` instead of -pv
Dec 06 07:10:05 UberTorch	flame off!
Dec 06 07:10:07 ---	UberTorch is now known as UberLord
Dec 06 07:10:36 *	amir_ bows
Dec 06 07:10:41 amir_	hia
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Dec 06 07:10:55 rane	morning amir_
Dec 06 07:11:03 amir_	hi rane
Dec 06 07:11:05 UberLord	greentings amir_
Dec 06 07:11:06 amir_	brix: around?
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Dec 06 07:11:26 rane	he just ran away to flame jforman on -core
Dec 06 07:11:41 amir_	ah, ic
Dec 06 07:11:47 phreak``	UberLord: wouldn't that be UberTorchD ?! (according to the license plates :P)
Dec 06 07:11:51 *	amir_ seems to keep missing him today ;)
Dec 06 07:12:20 amne	jkt|: jforman: shouldn't that be considered a bug in revdep-rebuild?
Dec 06 07:12:44 jkt|	amne: yeah, bug them :-)
Dec 06 07:12:57 jkt|	amne: it's tools-portage business
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Dec 06 07:13:18 amne	i'm sure there's a big chance there is already a bug open on this issue
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Dec 06 07:25:39 amne	jkt|: about CCing me: I don't really have big preferences. It's unlikely i will change much about the guide myself, but it's nice to see the updates (i also have a translated german version in the german forum)
Dec 06 07:26:23 jkt|	amne: FYI, I've started a more-generic rewrite
Dec 06 07:26:48 jkt|	amne: and it's available at http://home-hep.fzu.cz/kundratj/gentoo-doc/gcc-upgrading.html , s/html/xml/ for XML source
Dec 06 07:27:06 jkt|	but it's being fixed right now due to Halcy0n's feedback
Dec 06 07:28:34 amne	jkt|: cool
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Dec 06 07:34:42 Halcy0n	amne: by feedback, he means me nitpicking grammar and a few other additions :)
Dec 06 07:34:54 amne	hahaha
Dec 06 07:35:12 amne	he sure knows diplomacy 101 then
Dec 06 07:36:10 spyderous	Betelgeuse: pong, sort of.
Dec 06 07:36:26 Betelgeuse	spyderous: where can I find gccmakedep?
Dec 06 07:37:04 spyderous	Betelgeuse: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4807
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Dec 06 07:37:46 Betelgeuse	spyderous: And are there any virtual/x11 provides with bigger than 6.8.99 version than xorg-x11?
Dec 06 07:38:05 Betelgeuse	spyderous: I was thinking about testing if <=virtual/x11-6.8.99 would work.
Dec 06 07:38:26 spyderous	Betelgeuse: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112896
Dec 06 07:38:42 spyderous	should be fixed within a few days
Dec 06 07:39:04 spyderous	now i have to get back to studying.
Dec 06 07:39:26 Betelgeuse	spyderous: great
Dec 06 07:39:30 Betelgeuse	spyderous: good luck
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Dec 06 08:04:41 tigger^	hi kerin
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Dec 06 08:10:46 kerframil	tigger^: hey, rob
Dec 06 08:10:50 kerframil	:)
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Dec 06 08:11:11 kerframil	tigger^: how goes it?
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Dec 06 08:15:34 tigger^	kerframil: not bad
Dec 06 08:15:35 tigger^	you?
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Dec 06 08:17:13 *	jforman has changed the topic to: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o downtime at 1430 UTC | cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
Dec 06 08:17:53 kerframil	tigger^: same old
Dec 06 08:18:20 *	yvasilev (n=yvasilev@201.152.92.165) has joined #gentoo-dev
Dec 06 08:18:40 kerframil	tigger^: my interest in security matters has been re-invigorated. I recently guided an acquaintance through a migration to "hardened". I've been reading up on the various technologies/issues apropos of the topic.
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Dec 06 08:20:17 *	tigger^ nods
Dec 06 08:20:25 Halcy0n	Does curtis actually want our feedback on the website?  Anything we seem to want changed is already set in stone.
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Dec 06 08:21:24 jforman	spyderous: apologies on the date mistake in the email.
Dec 06 08:22:03 jforman	spyderous: had written it last night at 1230am, so "tomorrow" would have been the 7th, instead of the actual day i was awake in.
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Dec 06 08:22:33 amne	Ramereth: as said, no biggie about the ~/temp if no one else wants it anyway
Dec 06 08:22:53 Ramereth	amne: yeah, would rather do it if a larger amount of folks want it
Dec 06 08:23:27 Halcy0n	!seen pythonhead
Dec 06 08:23:27 glbt	Halcy0n, I don't remember seeing pythonhead.
Dec 06 08:23:28 GenBot	pythonhead was last seen 67 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 48 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying '!seen batlogg' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 06 08:23:31 Halcy0n	Awesome.
Dec 06 08:23:51 kloeri	Halcy0n: he's sometimes in #-python but you'll have more luck just mailing him
Dec 06 08:24:06 amne	Ramereth: but i'm a small vocal minority! isn't that enough? ;-)
Dec 06 08:24:29 Ramereth	amne: don't get me started :-)
Dec 06 08:25:11 *	amne gives Ramereth a cookie for the prune .spam thing 
Dec 06 08:25:42 Halcy0n	kloeri: thanks, just did.
Dec 06 08:27:03 Halcy0n	hansmi: ping
Dec 06 08:27:23 vapier	robbat2|sleep: ping
Dec 06 08:27:51 Halcy0n	johnm: ping
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Dec 06 08:28:31 hansmi	Halcy0n: pong
Dec 06 08:29:20 jforman	alright guys, commit your last bug comment or so, i am about to bring it down
Dec 06 08:29:24 jforman	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 06 08:29:25 Halcy0n	hansmi: I see you marked a package stable on x86, some dev-ruby crap if I remember right.
Dec 06 08:29:31 Halcy0n	hansmi: just curious why you did so :)
Dec 06 08:29:41 Halcy0n	!seen staylor
Dec 06 08:29:42 glbt	Halcy0n, I don't remember seeing staylor.
Dec 06 08:29:42 GenBot	I've never seen a 'staylor', sorry.
Dec 06 08:29:44 Halcy0n	!seen swtaylor
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Dec 06 08:30:47 hansmi	Halcy0n: I asked KillerFox who added that package to Portage.
Dec 06 08:31:26 Halcy0n	hansmi: I'm just curious why you marked it for x86 is all :)
Dec 06 08:32:14 *	jforman brings down bugzie
Dec 06 08:32:21 hansmi	Halcy0n: Why shouldn't I? It has been in Portage for 2 months.
Dec 06 08:32:32 hansmi	Halcy0n: or wait
Dec 06 08:32:37 amne	Ramereth: oh btw, any reason why dev.gentoo.org/amne/ doesn't work, only ~amne? is it intentional?
Dec 06 08:32:43 Halcy0n	hansmi: because we have an x86 team to handle stablization now :)
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Dec 06 08:33:05 Halcy0n	amne: yes.
Dec 06 08:33:22 amne	ah, ok
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Dec 06 08:33:32 hansmi	Halcy0n: I'm not in that herd and will likely never be, but KillerFox uses that package a lot on x86.
Dec 06 08:33:49 Halcy0n	hansmi: oooo....kay, so he could file a bug to us to have it marked stable.
Dec 06 08:34:43 hansmi	Halcy0n: What's your problem with me marking it stable beside politics?
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Dec 06 08:34:49 kloeri	hansmi: herd != arch team :)
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Dec 06 08:35:08 Halcy0n	hansmi: there is no politics.  You aren't on the arch team, and you don't have permission, you don't mark it stable.  Its a rule.
Dec 06 08:35:21 pfeifer|notebook	Halcy0n: speaking of which, i am not listed on that x86 stablization team, and from our conversations, i should be as i do mark some packages as stable.
Dec 06 08:35:23 Halcy0n	Unless there is some dire emergency and it needs to be marked stable immediately.
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Dec 06 08:35:39 pfeifer|notebook	(on x86)
Dec 06 08:35:40 Halcy0n	pfeifer|notebook: I have you on the sekrit list for the packages we discussed.
Dec 06 08:36:26 solar	so I should remove pfeifer from x86@ >
Dec 06 08:36:47 Halcy0n	I didn't know he wanted to be on the team except to mark those ipsec related packages.
Dec 06 08:36:58 Halcy0n	I just added him to the exceptions list because that was my understanding of the situation.
Dec 06 08:37:17 pfeifer|notebook	well, there are certain packages i have been maintaining for close to 3 years
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Dec 06 08:37:52 pfeifer|notebook	but if we need to file a bug for those to go stable. then that is the way it should be.
Dec 06 08:38:00 pfeifer|notebook	i would prefer to stay on x86@
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Dec 06 08:38:06 solar	ok
Dec 06 08:38:40 Halcy0n	pfeifer|notebook: if you aren't on the team, we like bugs to mark things stable, unless its something that requires specific hardware or a specific setup that no one on the team has.
Dec 06 08:38:47 hansmi	Halcy0n: Can you add me to the "x86 team"? But please don't add me to any alias. I do not want to file bugs just because I mark one package I tested stable.
Dec 06 08:39:27 Halcy0n	hansmi: you seem to not understand the concept of the arch teams.  If you want a package marked stable, you file a bug with the respective teams.  I'm not going to add you to the team just so you can mark what you feel like.
Dec 06 08:40:13 hansmi	Halcy0n: KillerFox is the maintainer of quixml and I asked him to mark it stable. Is there anything wrong with that? Are maintainers no longer allowed to mark their own stuff stable if they can test it?
Dec 06 08:40:14 jforman	nice work guys...
Dec 06 08:40:14 jforman	nuthatch jforman # ls -alh bugs.DB-120605.sql
Dec 06 08:40:14 jforman	-rw-r--r--  1 jforman users 1.7G Dec  6 14:37 bugs.DB-120605.sql
Dec 06 08:40:31 kloeri	Halcy0n: I'm on the sekrit list as well for apache + python I hope?
Dec 06 08:40:42 rl03	jforman: it was me. i filed a monster bug at 1429UTC
Dec 06 08:40:50 jforman	heh
Dec 06 08:40:54 rl03	just to screw with you
Dec 06 08:41:15 MetalGOD	brix, go try http://people.gentoo.org/brix ;)
Dec 06 08:41:42 Halcy0n	hansmi: maintainers can not mark things stable unless they have prior approval from the arch team.
Dec 06 08:41:57 hansmi	Halcy0n: Is that new?
Dec 06 08:42:24 Halcy0n	hansmi: its how its been for every other arch, and if by new, you mean since we created the x86 team because of the GLEP, then yes.
Dec 06 08:43:03 antarus|work	MetalGOD, hawt, very nice ;0
Dec 06 08:43:12 MetalGOD	antarus|work, yeah ;)
Dec 06 08:43:59 rl03	ooh ooh bugzilla-2.20 is so close i can feel it
Dec 06 08:44:15 *	rl03 pets jforman 
Dec 06 08:44:25 jforman	yeah, you might want to sit tight
Dec 06 08:45:01 *	rl03 sits tight
Dec 06 08:45:15 jforman	supposedly the downtime might be longer...this is what i could not have predicted
Dec 06 08:45:15 hansmi	Halcy0n: I never had to ask other arch team (or they never complained) to mark packages I maintain stable if I have the hardware for it.
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Dec 06 08:46:05 kloeri	hansmi: that depends on the arch team in question - some teams are more lax than others
Dec 06 08:46:07 Halcy0n	hansmi: well, they can handle it how they please, but you can't mark something stable on x86 without permission from us, or just file a bug and we'll test it.
Dec 06 08:46:24 Ramereth	win 7
Dec 06 08:46:26 Ramereth	grr
Dec 06 08:46:33 kloeri	hansmi: I could easily think of an arch team that'd have you shot for offences like that :)
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Dec 06 08:47:11 Halcy0n	kloeri: does the team you are thinking of start with a 's' or 'm'? :)
Dec 06 08:47:22 kloeri	Halcy0n: indeed :)
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Dec 06 08:47:37 hansmi	kloeri: I never had problems with the 's' or 'm' archs as I have the hardware.
Dec 06 08:48:03 antarus|work	damn those s390 maintainers :/
Dec 06 08:48:26 kloeri	not to mention all the people with s390 hardware :)
Dec 06 08:48:33 Halcy0n	All 20 of them.
Dec 06 08:48:40 *	Halcy0n hides.
Dec 06 08:48:54 antarus|work	so thats SpanKY...and who else? :)
Dec 06 08:49:10 vapier	what ?
Dec 06 08:49:11 pfeifer|notebook	his alter ego vapier
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Dec 06 08:50:06 hansmi	Halcy0n: Requiring the x86 team to mark stuff stable others could do looks like you don't have enough work.
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Dec 06 08:50:11 vapier	we have other s390 maintainers ?  i'd like to know who so i can make em do work
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Dec 06 08:50:34 Halcy0n	hansmi: if we let everyone else mark stuff stable on x86, what is the point of the team?
Dec 06 08:50:47 antarus|work	hansmi, I've have to disagree, and instead it's to prevent massive arch breakage on x86..
Dec 06 08:50:49 lcars	jkt|: pong
Dec 06 08:50:51 MetalGOD	vapier, get me a s390 and i'll help you :P
Dec 06 08:51:07 Halcy0n	I can already cite a few examples that would not have occurred with the x86 team handling it.
Dec 06 08:51:07 antarus|work	s/I've/I'd/ :P
Dec 06 08:51:19 hansmi	antarus|work: I'm always assuming the one who marks a package stable on something has tested it on such hardware.
Dec 06 08:51:20 MetalGOD	j/k
Dec 06 08:51:33 Halcy0n	hansmi: that really doesn't mean anything to some people.
Dec 06 08:51:45 hansmi	Halcy0n: Indeed, you're one of the best examples.
Dec 06 08:51:46 Halcy0n	vapier: just curious, how many different arch's do you actually own?
Dec 06 08:52:16 Halcy0n	hansmi: so, you are saying I don't know to test a package?  That's fine.  I'm not looking for your approval to be honest.
Dec 06 08:52:31 vapier	Halcy0n: do different endians count ?
Dec 06 08:52:40 Halcy0n	vapier: sure.
Dec 06 08:52:51 jkt|	lcars: well, it's about bugzilla, so I'll have to wait
Dec 06 08:53:01 vapier	about 13 then i own
Dec 06 08:53:06 vapier	and have access to a few more
Dec 06 08:53:10 Halcy0n	psycho
Dec 06 08:53:26 vapier	was thinking about buying a blackfin, so that'd make it 14
Dec 06 08:53:32 lcars	jkt|: yep
Dec 06 08:53:33 brix	MetalGOD: woohoo :)
Dec 06 08:53:38 Halcy0n	vapier: what the hell is that?
Dec 06 08:53:38 jkt|	lcars: there's a bug saying that some stuff under /main/en is not marked as a under cc-by-sa
Dec 06 08:53:46 brix	MetalGOD: but it's "just" a redirect?
Dec 06 08:53:51 jkt|	lcars: and you're author of some of those
Dec 06 08:53:54 MetalGOD	brix, yep
Dec 06 08:54:05 vapier	Halcy0n: mmuless embedded board ... i just want it cause it's a cool name
Dec 06 08:54:06 jkt|	lcars: is it okay with you to license them under cc-by-sa?
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Dec 06 08:54:23 Halcy0n	vapier: well, I do have to agree, it is a cool name.
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Dec 06 08:54:30 vapier	lemme find a pic
Dec 06 08:54:32 MetalGOD	brix, unless we kick Ramereth again :P
Dec 06 08:54:40 vapier	http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0%2C2877%2CBF533%25252DSTAMP%2C00.html
Dec 06 08:54:44 hansmi	Halcy0n: You don't allow me to join the x86 team (I still have such hardware) but don't allow me to mark packages. Does that mean I shouldn't care anymore about x86?
Dec 06 08:54:48 vapier	i'm thinkin of buying that this next weak
Dec 06 08:54:56 brix	MetalGOD: ah, I see
Dec 06 08:55:12 rl03	vapier: out of curiosity, what do you do with all that hardware?
Dec 06 08:55:12 Halcy0n	vapier: cool.
Dec 06 08:55:29 axxo	compile gentoo
Dec 06 08:55:57 vapier	rl03: i build gentoo on it so that when the cpu warms up i can teabag it
Dec 06 08:56:08 rl03	thought so
Dec 06 08:56:11 Halcy0n	hansmi: you said you want to join so you can just mark your packages stable essentially.  If you plan on helping the team in general, that is a different story.
Dec 06 08:56:16 brix	MetalGOD: nifty none the less
Dec 06 08:56:24 antarus|work	hansmi, by convention, maintainers often work out agreements with arch teams on packages they can mark stable on that arch
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Dec 06 08:56:38 Halcy0n	hansmi: the point of the team is to improve QA, not just let everything go to shit.
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Dec 06 08:56:52 seemant	lu_zero: awake?
Dec 06 08:57:00 *	ferringb looks up, and wonders what he's walked into...
Dec 06 08:57:00 Halcy0n	antarus|work: depends, we often pull people into the team if they are mantaining something big and important.
Dec 06 08:57:07 *	Halcy0n stabs ferringb 
Dec 06 08:57:13 pfeifer|notebook	seemant is alive
Dec 06 08:57:18 seemant	I am
Dec 06 08:57:27 antarus|work	ferringb, not much tbh :)
Dec 06 08:57:38 *	ferringb stabs Halcy0n back
Dec 06 08:57:44 hansmi	antarus|work: That's what I'm trying to do.
Dec 06 08:57:58 ferringb	Halcy0n: thought you would've known by know I'm impervious to mere blades
Dec 06 08:58:11 Halcy0n	ferringb: bah.
Dec 06 08:58:12 *	vapier takes out his mere blade
Dec 06 08:58:26 hansmi	Halcy0n: Is KillerFox on your sekrit list for ruby packages?
Dec 06 08:58:52 ferringb	vapier: that's what you're calling it these days?
Dec 06 08:59:21 *	vapier tests how impervious ferringb is
Dec 06 09:00:47 seemant	hmm, why would libneon link against kerberos libs?
Dec 06 09:00:49 seemant	makes no sense
Dec 06 09:01:26 Halcy0n	hansmi: no.  Seems like somethign the x86 team can reasonably test.
Dec 06 09:02:59 ferringb	vapier: why do I suspect you'll come from the back?
Dec 06 09:03:01 hansmi	Halcy0n: Okay, I'm just going to leave x86 out in the future. It's not an architecture I really care about.
Dec 06 09:03:36 Halcy0n	hansmi: okay.  If you want to help out in general and not just with some unspecified set of packages, then let us know.  I don't want people just joining the team so they can mark package x or y though.
Dec 06 09:03:42 vapier	ferringb: look !  a distraction !
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Dec 06 09:04:42 lcars	jkt|: ah really? what exactly?
Dec 06 09:05:08 jkt|	gentoo/xml/htdocs/main/en/lists.xml:  <mail link="[e-mail]">Andrea Barisani</mail>
Dec 06 09:05:18 hansmi	Halcy0n: I only mark small packages (nothing critical) and only after testing them. I can't help you out because I already have enough other responsibilities.
Dec 06 09:05:20 ferringb	vapier: is it shiney?
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Dec 06 09:05:43 lcars	jkt|: yeah that's fine
Dec 06 09:05:50 jkt|	lcars: thanks
Dec 06 09:05:51 Halcy0n	hansmi: okay, then I just ask that you file bugs with us or we'll eventually get to it when we start to get up with everything imlate tells us about.
Dec 06 09:05:55 lcars	jkt|: you doing that or do I have to?
Dec 06 09:06:04 jkt|	lcars: I can do that
Dec 06 09:06:26 lcars	oki, thx
Dec 06 09:06:48 hansmi	Halcy0n: maybe
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Dec 06 09:08:46 hansmi	Halcy0n: Why is there no x86 herd? Other arch teams have herds.
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Dec 06 09:09:26 Halcy0n	We have a herd.
Dec 06 09:09:30 Halcy0n	!herd x86
Dec 06 09:09:31 jeeves	Halcy0n: (x86) allanonjl, azarah, betelgeuse, chriswhite, compnerd, cshields, fuzzyray, halcy0n, hparker, ka0ttic, liquidx, mcummings, mkay, nelchael, s4t4n, smithj, solar, soulse, tester, ticho, tove, vericgar, wolf31o2
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Dec 06 09:10:05 hansmi	Halcy0n: That's interesting. Another IRC bot in some other IRC network doesn't know it yet.
Dec 06 09:10:23 Halcy0n	hansmi: probably doesn't udnerstand the maintaingproject tag.
Dec 06 09:10:24 Betelgeuse	hansmi: We use maintainingproject or something like that.
Dec 06 09:10:42 hansmi	Ahhh, KillerFox, can you integrate that somewhen? :-)
Dec 06 09:11:43 Halcy0n	Makes it easier than maintaining the list in two places.
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Dec 06 09:12:28 KillerFox	hansmi: I'll take a look, yes :-)
Dec 06 09:12:35 hansmi	Halcy0n: agreed
Dec 06 09:13:01 Halcy0n	I forget to update the one list half of the time :)
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Dec 06 09:26:15 pfeifer|notebook	who is maintaining devwiki.g.o ?
Dec 06 09:26:24 jforman	pfeifer|notebook: cshields
Dec 06 09:26:34 pfeifer|notebook	jforman: thanks
Dec 06 09:26:40 jforman	np
Dec 06 09:28:05 rl03	jforman: how's bugzie?
Dec 06 09:28:21 jforman	rl03: upgrade crapped out. i'm restoring the backup i made this morning
Dec 06 09:28:27 rl03	aha
Dec 06 09:29:00 araujo	Good morning!
Dec 06 09:29:00 jforman	something in the database update didnt play nicely
Dec 06 09:29:03 jforman	will have to test that
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Dec 06 09:42:48 mrness	vapier: ping
Dec 06 09:42:58 vapier	mrness: pong
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Dec 06 09:43:34 mrness	vapier: I need a stable baselayout that accepts rp-pppoe-3.8 executable names
Dec 06 09:43:42 vapier	and i need a hummer
Dec 06 09:43:56 Halcy0n	Can I get a mcclaren f1 while we are at it?
Dec 06 09:44:06 mrness	can't help you with that
Dec 06 09:44:07 UberLord	I need a working madwifi on amd64
Dec 06 09:44:16 vapier	i'll see what i can do Halcy0n, but i make no promises
Dec 06 09:44:17 *	agaffney wonders if vapier was referring to the vehicle or sexual favor
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Dec 06 09:45:10 geoman	agaffney: don't we already know the answer to that?
Dec 06 09:45:27 marienz	seemant: ping
Dec 06 09:45:28 Halcy0n	Well, since my mind isn't in the gutter like the rest of you, I assumed he meant the car :)
Dec 06 09:45:43 vapier	no one said you were the brightest
Dec 06 09:45:48 ferringb	heh
Dec 06 09:45:53 vapier	in fact, ive said quite the opposite often
Dec 06 09:46:00 *	jforman has changed the topic to: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o back on 2.18, read -dev/-core | cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
Dec 06 09:46:01 Halcy0n	vapier: I love you too
Dec 06 09:46:54 Mr_Bones_	vapier: app-xemacs/mule-base/mule-base-1.42.ebuild: ~ia64(default-linux/ia64/2005.0) ['app-editors/xemacs', 'app-xemacs/fsf-compat', 'app-xemacs/xemacs-base']
Dec 06 09:47:10 vapier	i hate xemacs
Dec 06 09:49:28 UberLord	s/x//
Dec 06 09:49:37 vapier	true, true
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Dec 06 09:50:08 brix	which ftp server would you recommend? it needs to be plain and simple as I only need it for testing purposes
Dec 06 09:50:22 jforman	vsftpd
Dec 06 09:50:48 UberLord	vsftpd is nice and simple
Dec 06 09:51:05 brix	I'll try that, thanks
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Dec 06 09:58:10 UberLord	Ramereth: this new service - it's case sensitive yes, so needs to be spam/virus and not Spam/Virus?
Dec 06 09:58:36 Ramereth	UberLord: correct (once i implement it)
Dec 06 09:58:56 UberLord	righto
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Dec 06 10:08:37 mcummings	Koon: pongo
Dec 06 10:09:09 mcummings	Koon: grabbing lunch; if this is about gisle's patches on p5p and that bug, still sorting the whole p5p thread, there was some disagreement on the patches at one point, will post something viable soon
Dec 06 10:09:33 Koon	mcummings: just joined the gentoo dads club, so please update the bug / jaervosz when done :)
Dec 06 10:10:29 Koon	mcummings: was about bug 114113 yes
Dec 06 10:10:32 GenBot	Koon: Bug 114113; "dev-lang/perl: Perl format string integer wrap vulnerability"; [Gentoo Security :: Vulnerabilities]; {ASSIGNED}; Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114113
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Dec 06 10:21:58 mcummings	Koon: weeding, promise
Dec 06 10:22:33 mcummings	Koon: part of the problem is that those patches look to be against bleed - lot of legwork to backport
Dec 06 10:22:48 Koon	ah, uh
Dec 06 10:23:17 Koon	mcummings: I guess other distros already did some backport work, maybe we could/should replicate them
Dec 06 10:23:42 mcummings	sure thing
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Dec 06 10:25:23 amne	solar: seems qlist libstdc\+\+-v3 doesn't work while equery f libstdc\+\+-v3 does. portage-utils-0.1.10 here. bug? feature? pebkac?
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Dec 06 10:25:41 vivo	who was the genius that thougth to pre-pend the value of $CROSS_COMPILE to kde binaryes ?
Dec 06 10:25:57 amne	solar: qlist libstdc\\+\\+-v3 works btw
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Dec 06 10:27:00 amir_	brix: around?
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Dec 06 10:30:21 marienz	amne: I blame the shell :)
Dec 06 10:30:46 marienz	amne: (for eating the backslashes in \+\+)
Dec 06 10:32:45 amne	marienz: i used the same shell for both commands. so i guess one gets eaten by the shell and the 2nd by qfile
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Dec 06 10:34:28 marienz	amne: q* apparently wants extended regexps, while equery either just takes search strings or specialcases "+"
Dec 06 10:35:58 amne	marienz: i guess so
Dec 06 10:36:20 marienz	probably not a bug, but a feature :)
Dec 06 10:36:24 amne	yeah
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Dec 06 10:38:58 vapier	marienz/amne: yeah, we need to sort that out in portage-utils ... it's inconsitent atm what takes a string and what takes a regexp
Dec 06 10:39:10 vapier	anyone know if C has nand or nor operators ?
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Dec 06 10:39:43 tigger^	!(|)
Dec 06 10:39:43 tigger^	:P
Dec 06 10:39:58 vapier	can someone who is not a retard please comment
Dec 06 10:40:12 tigger^	there are no native ones no
Dec 06 10:40:17 tigger^	not that you care what I say
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Dec 06 10:40:35 vapier	whats that sound ?  sounds kind of like the wind ...
Dec 06 10:40:47 *	UberLord farts
Dec 06 10:40:56 UberLord	heheh
Dec 06 10:41:48 vapier	guess i'll fake it with ¤
Dec 06 10:42:07 tigger^	vapier: you can have ^
Dec 06 10:42:13 tigger^	vapier: bitwise exclusive or
Dec 06 10:42:15 tigger^	is that nor
Dec 06 10:42:19 vapier	no, that is xor
Dec 06 10:42:20 tigger^	I can't decide
Dec 06 10:42:23 tigger^	ah ok
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Dec 06 10:42:26 tigger^	right
Dec 06 10:42:27 vapier	x0rx0rx0r
Dec 06 10:43:28 vapier	i can find canned equations to express stuff with nor, but no way to express nor itself
Dec 06 10:43:42 tigger^	did someone say something?
Dec 06 10:44:02 *	tigger^ off home
Dec 06 10:44:02 vapier	hey look, we got ourselves a funny man
Dec 06 10:44:06 vapier	HEY FUNNY MAN TELL US A JOKE
Dec 06 10:44:12 tigger^	spanky!
Dec 06 10:44:14 tigger^	hahahaha
Dec 06 10:44:17 tigger^	that's teh funniest
Dec 06 10:44:23 vapier	yeah, i think it's best if you leave now
Dec 06 10:44:23 tigger^	and now I'm really going
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Dec 06 10:47:24 *	beejay|w1rk heard a silly joke in the radio today
Dec 06 10:47:43 jkt|	vapier & tigger^ were in radio?
Dec 06 10:47:48 beejay|w1rk	"Hey... I came home yesterday and wanted to lay down on my old matress for a few minutes...
Dec 06 10:47:52 beejay|w1rk	... she was shopping"
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Dec 06 10:50:22 solar	amne: it uses regexp by default. try qlist -e libstdc++-v3
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Dec 06 10:51:05 amne	solar: damn, and that option is even in the manual :-)
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Dec 06 10:55:44 amne	solar: btw, q* is great, only thing i miss yet is something like the old qpkg -I -v gentoo-sources (showed you all installed versions of gentoo-sources). did i miss that in the manual, too or is it just not possible?
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Dec 06 10:56:47 vapier	amne: you mean `qlist -I -v gentoo-sources` ?
Dec 06 10:56:54 solar	qlist -IDv d
Dec 06 10:57:00 solar	automake
Dec 06 10:57:07 solar	or db or any of those slotted pkgs
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Dec 06 10:58:02 vapier	anyone good with bison ?
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Dec 06 10:58:17 vapier	i get these warnings and i dont understand them
Dec 06 10:58:21 vapier	conflicts: 35 shift/reduce, 38 reduce/reduce
Dec 06 10:58:25 vapier	warning: rule never reduced because of conflicts: list: list
Dec 06 10:58:49 *	amne adds reading the q-manpages 31 times until he knows them by heart and baking christmas cookies for vapier and solar to his todo list. thanks guys
Dec 06 10:58:59 solar	amne: if no pkgname is given then it lists then all
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Dec 06 10:59:24 Halcy0n	vapier: it means your grammar sucks as you have defined it.
Dec 06 10:59:27 solar	we like patches/ideas for improvements more than cookies
Dec 06 10:59:58 vapier	i took like .25 of a class for lex parsers ... i hated it so i dropped it ;)
Dec 06 11:00:32 vapier	that second warnings for example is because of this snippet: http://rafb.net/paste/results/WG0PcP42.html
Dec 06 11:00:41 solar	spender is the biggest lex/bison/yacc dork I know
Dec 06 11:01:09 vapier	he idle on freenode at all ?
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Dec 06 11:01:26 Halcy0n	vapier: well, if you remove that first rule, it should work.  Otherwise you are saying list can be a list, can be a list...
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Dec 06 11:01:37 Halcy0n	Like the warning said, it won't reduce :)
Dec 06 11:02:31 vapier	k
Dec 06 11:02:37 Halcy0n	Since list can be empty as well.
Dec 06 11:02:38 vapier	so what about the first warning
Dec 06 11:02:53 solar	vapier: naa. oftc
Dec 06 11:02:53 vapier	i'll just trim the '| list' line
Dec 06 11:03:23 vapier	solar: k
Dec 06 11:03:32 vapier	i'll tell him you sent me :p
Dec 06 11:03:46 Halcy0n	vapier: probably related to the list->list
Dec 06 11:04:07 vapier	no, i still get the warning
Dec 06 11:04:10 vapier	conflicts: 23 shift/reduce, 38 reduce/reduce
Dec 06 11:04:26 vapier	well, the first # is smaller now w/out the list line
Dec 06 11:04:45 Halcy0n	That number is just referring to the rule that it can't figure out.
Dec 06 11:05:14 vapier	why cant it give me a line # :/
Dec 06 11:05:29 Halcy0n	vapier: add -v to your bison/yacc call and it will give you a blah.output you can look at.
Dec 06 11:05:37 Halcy0n	It'll give you all the rule #'s and such.
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Dec 06 11:06:18 vapier	ok, so how about this
Dec 06 11:06:21 vapier	State 7 conflicts: 7 shift/reduce
Dec 06 11:06:45 Halcy0n	Paste the output up somewhere, I might be able to figure it out.
Dec 06 11:07:03 Halcy0n	I've only played with bison a few times.  I had to write my own lexer and parser for my compilers class.
Dec 06 11:07:05 vapier	http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/pcalc.y
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Dec 06 11:07:17 vapier	yeah, i took a compilers class ... it was the .25 i was referring to above :)
Dec 06 11:07:25 vapier	bison -ld pcalc.y -o pcalc.c -v
Dec 06 11:07:42 Halcy0n	I liked my class :)  I just wish we had used bison aand such so we could have concentrated on more of the fun stuff rather than writing the parser and lexer.
Dec 06 11:07:45 vapier	class was at 8am ... i was screwed before it even started
Dec 06 11:08:48 jforman	ouch
Dec 06 11:08:53 jforman	'ey mike
Dec 06 11:09:18 vapier	what up, dog
Dec 06 11:09:25 jforman	same feces, different pile
Dec 06 11:09:42 vapier	on that note, i'm gonna find lunch
Dec 06 11:09:59 Halcy0n	vapier: I'll see if I can fix this for you.
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Dec 06 11:15:24 nattfodd	is there a way to have a verbose unpack ?
Dec 06 11:15:44 nattfodd	like using "tar xvf" instead of just "tar xf"
Dec 06 11:16:02 geoman	err
Dec 06 11:16:09 geoman	didn't you just answer your own question?
Dec 06 11:16:09 marienz	why?
Dec 06 11:16:29 nattfodd	geoman: I'd like ebuild/emerge to use it, not me
Dec 06 11:16:38 antarus|work	jforman, been happening to me since yesterday
Dec 06 11:16:42 nattfodd	marienz: some pach keeps reappaearing and I can't find it in the tarballs
Dec 06 11:16:46 nattfodd	this is really weird
Dec 06 11:16:50 nattfodd	*patch
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Dec 06 11:19:27 rajiv|work	hey jforman re bugzilla
Dec 06 11:19:43 rajiv|work	sometimes long lines are still nto wrapped. know what is going on with that?
Dec 06 11:20:36 jforman	yeah, the new bugzilla is not installed. i had to roll back
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Dec 06 11:20:41 jforman	the new one fixes the wrapping
Dec 06 11:21:26 rajiv|work	didn't someone say that about the last upgrade?
Dec 06 11:21:29 rajiv|work	heh
Dec 06 11:21:49 jforman	yeah yeah
Dec 06 11:21:51 jforman	story of my life
Dec 06 11:22:02 Mr_Bones_	bonsaikitten_: you the one to talk to about gentooexperimental.org?
Dec 06 11:22:08 bonsaikitten_	Mr_Bones_, yes
Dec 06 11:22:20 Mr_Bones_	when's it coming back?
Dec 06 11:22:25 bonsaikitten_	it should be
Dec 06 11:22:34 Mr_Bones_	ok.  what happened?
Dec 06 11:22:40 bonsaikitten_	buggy kernel
Dec 06 11:22:47 Mr_Bones_	ok.  thanks for bringing it back.
Dec 06 11:22:56 Mr_Bones_	I'm addicted to meatoo
Dec 06 11:23:18 bonsaikitten_	I hope to get the hardware replaced soon
Dec 06 11:23:53 seemant	marienz: pong
Dec 06 11:24:21 marienz	seemant: hi, were you one of the people who needed python linked to libstdc++.so? If yes, do you remember why?
Dec 06 11:24:49 seemant	marienz: oh man, that was a while ago -- and it sounds familiar
Dec 06 11:25:08 seemant	marienz: oh oh, it wasn't so much the libstdc++.so as it was the python Makefile thingy that setup.py uses
Dec 06 11:25:33 marienz	seemant: hmm, looking
Dec 06 11:26:01 seemant	marienz: though that issue has not popped up in the last few months, so hard to say
Dec 06 11:26:05 Mr_Bones_	seemant: you want the simgear/flightgear bugs?
Dec 06 11:26:33 mcummings	jaervosz: 114113 looking good
Dec 06 11:26:39 marienz	seemant: you needed CXX set in /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile? Do you remember what for?
Dec 06 11:27:28 marienz	seemant: I'm asking because most of the stuff I'm reading says the libstdc++.so link is unnecessary, will cause breakage if you're using a c++ extension linked to a different libstdc++.so, and in gentoo's case breaks when libstdc++.so breaks or changes on a gcc upgrade.
Dec 06 11:27:53 seemant	marienz: yeah it was just the Makefile thingy
Dec 06 11:28:11 seemant	marienz: well a lot of our development here is in python, and we use setup.py as our build system
Dec 06 11:28:12 marienz	seemant: hmm, the way python's configure.in works it links using g++ if you export CXX...
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Dec 06 11:28:25 seemant	(well, I wrapped Make on top of it, but yeah)
Dec 06 11:28:38 seemant	marienz: and so some of our libs are written in C++ and setup.py used to blow up on those
Dec 06 11:28:39 marienz	seemant: anything in portage that'd break too? Or can you tell me what exactly needs to be in that Makefile?
Dec 06 11:29:00 seemant	marienz: basically, CXX needs to be set the same way CC is set, except to indicate g++ instead of gcc
Dec 06 11:29:09 seemant	Mr_Bones_: sure
Dec 06 11:29:11 marienz	seemant: ok, let me experiment a bit
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Dec 06 11:54:33 marienz	seemant: ok, I now have a python that doesn't link to libstdc++, and if I ask it to build a toy extension using a .cpp source file it uses i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc to compile and i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ to link. Does that sound ok?
Dec 06 11:55:18 seemant	marienz: shouldn't it use g++ for both?
Dec 06 11:55:40 marienz	seemant: apparently not, it compiles (and it has a "class" keyword in it I'm pretty sure isn't valid c :)
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Dec 06 11:56:27 seemant	marienz: ok, sounds good then :)
Dec 06 11:56:28 marienz	seemant: also the Makefile this python produced has the same CXX setting the previous one had, the only thing changed is the LINKCC setting and that doesn't seem to break extension building.
Dec 06 11:56:33 seemant	marienz: I'll give it a go
Dec 06 11:56:41 marienz	seemant: sec
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Dec 06 11:58:34 marienz	seemant: http://dev.gentoo.org/~marienz/python-no-libstdc++.patch
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Dec 06 12:11:48 solar	marienz: your patch does something other than what the nocxx USE flag does for python?
Dec 06 12:12:30 marienz	solar: I haven't figured out what the nocxx flag does currently yet. It is quite possible my patch and the nocxx flag do the same thing in different ways.
Dec 06 12:12:41 dmwaters	hi all
Dec 06 12:12:42 solar	I think they do.
Dec 06 12:13:14 *	marienz looks at the ebuild and configure.in again
Dec 06 12:13:31 solar	nocxx is primary used when you dont want c++ enabled. It's used also to strip g++ checks in ./configure scripts where configure likes to fail when no g++ exists.
Dec 06 12:13:49 solar	dont set nocxx in the global scope however unless you know what you doing.
Dec 06 12:13:56 marienz	solar: looks like if you set nocxx you'll get a bogus value for CXX in the installed Makefile, possibly breaking c++ extension building.
Dec 06 12:14:42 marienz	solar: my patch still allows c++ extension building, but no longer uses g++ to link python, removing the libstdc++.so link.
Dec 06 12:15:27 marienz	let me verify though.
Dec 06 12:15:49 solar	do you know if python stll passes all/most tests then?
Dec 06 12:15:58 marienz	solar: good point, let me test that too :)
Dec 06 12:16:25 SuperLag	dmwaters: ping
Dec 06 12:16:33 kloeri	ohh, there's a zillion tests that python doesn't pass on portage
Dec 06 12:16:40 kloeri	most of them being quite silly
Dec 06 12:16:52 marienz	solar: I'm quite certain the link is unnecessary though. There is no c++ code in python itself, and I already tested a toy c++ extension (with a static initializer)
Dec 06 12:17:06 solar	guess one has to compare passed tests with the full cxx first then a second time outout it
Dec 06 12:17:23 dmwaters	SuperLag: talk to me
Dec 06 12:17:24 solar	marienz: thats great news then :)
Dec 06 12:18:27 SuperLag	dmwaters: I think we're getting it taken care of.  Got some guy that's being a moron on the network, and spamming people.  Talking to numist now.
Dec 06 12:18:42 dmwaters	ok
Dec 06 12:19:58 *	marienz hopes he didn't break some bizarro distutils test
Dec 06 12:20:14 marienz	(after all, distutils itself can be quite bizarre, so it probably has either no or bizarre tests :)
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Dec 06 12:26:10 marienz	solar: with USE=nocxx python passes FEATURES=test, but it links my silly cpp extension with gcc instead of g++, causing undefined symbol errors when you try to import it. Let me repeat without USE=nocxx but with my patch.
Dec 06 12:30:14 vapier	marienz: uclibc env ?
Dec 06 12:30:26 vapier	i always build python with USE=nocxx myself
Dec 06 12:30:31 vapier	dont want the c++ crap breaking python
Dec 06 12:30:37 marienz	vapier: glibc
Dec 06 12:31:20 marienz	vapier: unless someone can come up with a reason to keep it I propose to not make python link to libstdc++.so, as I'm pretty sure it's not necessary.
Dec 06 12:31:38 vapier	python has option C++ bindings doesnt it
Dec 06 12:31:54 marienz	vapier: they compile and import fine without python linked to libstdc++ afaik.
Dec 06 12:32:10 vapier	sounds good to me
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Dec 06 12:35:28 ferringb	hmm.
Dec 06 12:35:42 ferringb	vapier: feel free to call me a tool for repeating what you stated on -dev about www -> d.g.o...
Dec 06 12:35:54 marienz	hmm, I wonder if this is sufficiently nocxx-ish that it makes the nocxx flag on python obsolete
Dec 06 12:36:22 marienz	assuming it works (seemant's distutils stuff not exploding would be nice :)
Dec 06 12:36:34 vapier	marienz: no, it wouldnt
Dec 06 12:36:46 vapier	you dont want to build the C++ modules if the host doesnt have a C++ compiler
Dec 06 12:36:54 Halcy0n	ferringb: he's busy, so, you're a tool. :)
Dec 06 12:37:20 vapier	Halcy0n: any luck with pcalc ?
Dec 06 12:38:03 robbat2	vapier, pong
Dec 06 12:38:04 Halcy0n	vapier: no.  I'm not familiar enough with the grammar to really know what is intended.
Dec 06 12:38:13 marienz	vapier: what c++ modules?
Dec 06 12:38:14 vapier	k k
Dec 06 12:38:38 Halcy0n	vapier: a shift/reduce happens when the grammar is ambigious.  It doesn't know if part of the rule has a higher precednece than the rest basically.
Dec 06 12:38:41 marienz	vapier: afaik python itself doesn't have any. All that still happens is distutils "knows about" the c++ compiler, and can be used to build c++ extensions later.
Dec 06 12:39:07 Halcy0n	vapier: like 1 * 2 + 3, it doesn't know to reduce the 1*2 first, or to shift the 2 + 3 onto the stack to handle.
Dec 06 12:39:31 robbat2	vapier, you rang?
Dec 06 12:39:35 Halcy0n	Atleast, that's what I recall reading about it.
Dec 06 12:39:46 vapier	Halcy0n: ok, well it works well enough, so i'll leave it alone
Dec 06 12:39:48 vapier	thanks for lookin
Dec 06 12:39:50 vapier	robbat2: query ?
Dec 06 12:39:56 Halcy0n	vapier: np
Dec 06 12:40:01 vapier	marienz: k
Dec 06 12:40:26 robbat2	vapier: you said [06:27] robbat2|sleep: ping
Dec 06 12:40:31 vapier	marienz: as long as you keep in mind that we support systems w/out a C++ compiler, and i can build python so it doesnt link against libstdc++.so, i'm happy as a clam
Dec 06 12:40:56 marienz	vapier: I know, I guess I'll need to build myself a chroot without g++ for testing or something
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Dec 06 12:41:39 vapier	that's weird
Dec 06 12:41:58 marienz	vapier: assuming nobody shoots any holes in it python won't link against libstdc++.so at all, no matter what you set nocxx to, but I don't have a chroot to test building without g++.
Dec 06 12:42:03 vapier	somehow i didnt identify with nickserv yet chanserv opped me everywhere
Dec 06 12:43:02 vapier	so gay, freenode blocks pmsgs
Dec 06 12:43:08 vapier	robbat2: ok, so we cant /msg cause freenode blows
Dec 06 12:43:17 ferringb	heh
Dec 06 12:43:21 marienz	you can /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
Dec 06 12:43:28 vapier	freenode blows
Dec 06 12:43:29 marienz	also, be sure to poke lilo to twiddle the default back
Dec 06 12:43:43 marienz	I'm lobbying for that a bit if you know what I mean
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Dec 06 12:43:54 robbat2	 /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
Dec 06 12:43:59 robbat2	crap
Dec 06 12:44:26 marienz	lilo is convinced the vast majority of people are happy with the new default, and he has some emails to prove it, so I'd appreciate if folks who are *not* happy about the new default told him so :)
Dec 06 12:44:45 seemant	robbat2: hey
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Dec 06 12:45:12 seemant	robbat2: any news on that rpath wachamadealy wrt openldap's new ebuild thingy you put out a couple of days ago or whatever?
Dec 06 12:45:18 Halcy0n	marienz: how about we just tell him here that we think it sucks :)
Dec 06 12:45:25 robbat2	seemant: yeah, see 2.2.28-r3 ;-
Dec 06 12:45:26 robbat2	)
Dec 06 12:45:34 robbat2	my typing sucks today
Dec 06 12:45:47 seemant	robbat2: ah great, I'll give it a shot
Dec 06 12:45:48 seemant	thanks
Dec 06 12:46:02 marienz	Halcy0n: as long as you just tell him in a way he'll notice I'm happy :)
Dec 06 12:46:22 Halcy0n	lilo: switch the privmsg back to how it used to be, the current method sucks.
Dec 06 12:46:28 Halcy0n	marienz: good enough^^ ?  :)
Dec 06 12:46:42 marienz	Halcy0n: thanks :)
Dec 06 12:46:59 seemant	so I'm not a big fan of the new firefox at all
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Dec 06 12:47:10 seemant	marienz: sorry for delay, I'm testing in a few minutes
Dec 06 12:47:16 Halcy0n	seemant: what changed from 1.0->1.5 to make you not like it?
Dec 06 12:47:30 seemant	Halcy0n: the 404 message I don't like, and the font handling blows DOGS
Dec 06 12:47:33 marienz	seemant: no problem, glad you're testing :)
Dec 06 12:47:40 seemant	Halcy0n: bugs.g.o is unreadable for me at this point
Dec 06 12:47:53 marienz	weird, nothing changed fonts-wise here
Dec 06 12:47:56 Halcy0n	seemant: ah, I force fonts, so I don't noctice any of that.
Dec 06 12:48:03 marienz	I've heard others complain but it Just Works here as far as that's concerned.
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Dec 06 12:48:15 seemant	marienz: seriously?
Dec 06 12:48:21 seemant	they're completely off for me
Dec 06 12:48:23 seemant	it stinks
Dec 06 12:48:31 marienz	seemant: off as in size or what?
Dec 06 12:48:38 seemant	size and I think font styles as well
Dec 06 12:48:52 thunder`	hi there guys
Dec 06 12:49:04 *	ferringb spanks thunder` 
Dec 06 12:49:06 ferringb	hola.
Dec 06 12:49:06 seemant	I need a frickin telescope just to read bug comments
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Dec 06 12:49:20 marienz	seemant: tried messing with the dpi setting in preferences -> content -> fonts/colors -> advanced?
Dec 06 12:50:09 Halcy0n	seemant: force font sizes, or set a minimum :)  I don't care what other places think a font should look like.
Dec 06 12:50:42 bonsaikitten_	I blame gtk
Dec 06 12:50:44 marienz	I also have a minimum font size set, but my minimum is still pretty small, b.g.o is still perfectly readable without the minimum set
Dec 06 12:50:58 bonsaikitten_	it looks good in gnome, then when you start firefox in KDE it's all messed up
Dec 06 12:50:59 seemant	marienz: what should it be?
Dec 06 12:51:11 seemant	the dpi setting I mean
Dec 06 12:51:17 marienz	seemant: depends on your monitor :) but try 96
Dec 06 12:51:25 seemant	it was 96
Dec 06 12:51:30 marienz	bah, then that wasn't it.
Dec 06 12:51:40 marienz	(unless you're using an insanely high resolution)
Dec 06 12:51:52 marienz	setting a minimum font size there will probably help but shouldn't be necessary.
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Dec 06 12:53:50 seemant	1280 x 1024 on my monitors
Dec 06 12:53:59 seemant	well, effectively 2560 x 1024 I guess
Dec 06 12:54:19 marienz	same here, but my fonts are a bit smaller than most people like afaik
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Dec 06 13:00:40 seemant	marienz: ok, changing the fonts worked proportional -> serif, serif -> serif, sans-serif -> sans-serif and monospace -> monospace
Dec 06 13:00:54 seemant	marienz: for some reason it had times new roman as the sans-serif and courier as the monospace
Dec 06 13:01:00 seemant	now everything looks as it should
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Dec 06 13:01:32 marienz	seemant: huh. What were they set to before you changed them?
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Dec 06 13:02:10 seemant	14:00 <@seemant> marienz: for some reason it had times new roman as the
Dec 06 13:02:10 seemant	                 sans-serif and courier as the monospace
Dec 06 13:02:19 *	marienz can't read apparently :(
Dec 06 13:02:33 marienz	also, times new roman, ick
Dec 06 13:02:39 seemant	yeah, ick
Dec 06 13:02:57 *	marienz tries to remember what that gets remapped to if you don't have coreutils installed
Dec 06 13:03:06 marienz	err, corefonts
Dec 06 13:03:07 marienz	gah!
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Dec 06 13:11:43 spyderous	jforman: i forgive you. just don't let it happen again =P
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Dec 06 13:15:10 marienz	sanchan: welcome!
Dec 06 13:15:13 agaffney	ooh, fresh meat?
Dec 06 13:15:17 kingtaco|work	jup
Dec 06 13:15:24 kingtaco|work	abuse him gently please
Dec 06 13:15:26 agaffney	kingtaco|work: what's he in for?
Dec 06 13:15:30 kingtaco|work	embedded
Dec 06 13:15:32 sanchan	thanks marienz
Dec 06 13:15:37 kingtaco|work	+ QA
Dec 06 13:15:54 agaffney	sanchan: hahahahahaha...you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into
Dec 06 13:16:11 MetalGOD	congrats sanchan
Dec 06 13:16:15 *	marienz sends asanchan after the emacs herd :P
Dec 06 13:16:43 marienz	err, sanchan even, sorry
Dec 06 13:16:51 marienz	what is it with me and typing this evening
Dec 06 13:17:16 sanchan	agaffney: I don't think I can do much more than I already do :-) but I'll try to do something good :-)
Dec 06 13:17:28 sanchan	thanks all
Dec 06 13:18:27 solar	embedded.. who was your mentor?
Dec 06 13:18:58 lu_zero	hi
Dec 06 13:19:12 solar	afternoon lu_z
Dec 06 13:19:29 kingtaco|work	solar, dragonhart
Dec 06 13:19:36 kingtaco|work	heart even
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Dec 06 13:20:02 sanchan	solar: dragonheart
Dec 06 13:20:38 dragonheart	sanchan: made it! congratulations and thanks for being patient
Dec 06 13:20:57 dragonheart	thanks KingTaco
Dec 06 13:21:13 kingtaco|work	dragonheart, np, didn't think you were around or I'd have let you do the /kick
Dec 06 13:21:26 *	UberLord has quit ("off for investments and beer, laters to one and all!")
Dec 06 13:21:45 dragonheart	oh well - I'll try to be about for pva
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Dec 06 13:22:07 kingtaco|work	dragonheart, I'm his recruiter too, yes?
Dec 06 13:22:20 lu_zero	how are you solar?
Dec 06 13:22:36 sanchan	dragonheart: as I said when I started, I'm not in a hurry :-)
Dec 06 13:22:56 dragonheart	bug  96436
Dec 06 13:22:58 GenBot	dragonheart: Bug 96436; "New Developer:   Volkov Peter (pva) (kingtaco, due 20050717)"; [Recruitment :: New Developers]; {REOPENED}; Daniel Black->Gentoo Recruiting Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/96436
Dec 06 13:23:07 kingtaco|work	rofl
Dec 06 13:23:26 dragonheart	he said he'd be back on the weekend
Dec 06 13:23:27 kingtaco|work	dragonheart, I think he finally got his end quiz in
Dec 06 13:23:37 kingtaco|work	so I'll take a look by this weekend
Dec 06 13:23:39 dragonheart	yep 2 weeks ago
Dec 06 13:23:46 kingtaco|work	I was on holiday
Dec 06 13:23:51 dragonheart	was it good?
Dec 06 13:24:03 kingtaco|work	I spent a week in amsterdam
Dec 06 13:24:03 latexer	jforman: your calendar skillz astound me.
Dec 06 13:24:17 kingtaco|work	so yeah, it was good
Dec 06 13:24:18 dragonheart	nice :-)
Dec 06 13:24:53 kingtaco|work	yeah, our room was right in the middle of the red light district
Dec 06 13:25:07 dragonheart	how convienent
Dec 06 13:25:21 kingtaco|work	and it just happened to be the canabis cup when I went
Dec 06 13:25:32 dragonheart	how very convienent
Dec 06 13:25:35 kingtaco|work	heheheh
Dec 06 13:25:36 spyderous	so you didn't even have to pay, then
Dec 06 13:25:39 spyderous	just inhaled the fumes
Dec 06 13:25:50 kingtaco|work	spyderous, rofl, there were a lot of fumes on the street
Dec 06 13:26:08 MetalGOD	!herd pda
Dec 06 13:26:09 jeeves	MetalGOD: (pda) fafhrd, liquidx
Dec 06 13:26:12 MetalGOD	^ping
Dec 06 13:26:42 spyderous	i wonder if we could get jeeves to autoping so lastlog isn't quite as broken for that
Dec 06 13:27:08 spyderous	like !ping pda would be <jeeves> nick1, nick2, etc..: ping from MetalGOD
Dec 06 13:27:24 marienz	add a reason thingy while you're at it
Dec 06 13:27:55 marienz	do !ping pda you broke foobar -> <jeeves> nick, nick2, ...: ping from marienz (you broke foobar)
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Dec 06 13:28:36 spyderous	nah. <jeeves> nicks: you broke foobar (marienz)
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Dec 06 13:28:52 marienz	spyderous: yah, that's nicer
Dec 06 13:28:54 *	marienz hacks
Dec 06 13:29:15 dragonheart	so sanchan need a hand with anything before i leave?
Dec 06 13:29:19 solar	lu_zero: I'm fine, semi busy right now @ work
Dec 06 13:29:43 vapier	latexer: ping
Dec 06 13:29:47 latexer	vapier: pong.
Dec 06 13:29:55 vapier	should i bug you about it ?
Dec 06 13:29:59 solar	lu_zero: ffmpeg guys need us to break that patch up or can they handle the trivial parts now?
Dec 06 13:30:18 solar	being that they have a 2.95 installed and can test it under such conditions
Dec 06 13:30:20 latexer	vapier: bug me about what?
Dec 06 13:30:46 sanchan	dragonheart: no thanks, I think kingtako have done everything
Dec 06 13:30:52 vapier	it, you know
Dec 06 13:30:54 vapier	the alpha
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Dec 06 13:31:11 MetalGOD	sanchan, it's taCo not taKo :P
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Dec 06 13:31:35 latexer	vapier: ahh.. my brother is on contract in SF now, and is going pretty much straight to a contract gig in berlin after xmas.
Dec 06 13:31:43 latexer	vapier: so it's prolly not happening any time soon.
Dec 06 13:31:46 latexer	vapier: but i'll ask him again.
Dec 06 13:32:15 sanchan	MetalGOD: thanks
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Dec 06 13:32:21 geoman	sanchan: welcome, etc, yada yada....break the tree, and Mr_Bones_ will kill you
Dec 06 13:32:33 geoman	break mips, and I'll double kill you :)
Dec 06 13:32:50 dragonheart	sanchan: did I want you about this ^^? sorry if i didn't
Dec 06 13:33:01 MetalGOD	that's called rampage if you were playing UT
Dec 06 13:33:09 sanchan	geoman: I don't think I'll do anything on mips
Dec 06 13:33:11 ---	GMsoft is now known as GMhard
Dec 06 13:33:12 geoman	ULTRAKILL!
Dec 06 13:33:48 vapier	DOMINATING
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Dec 06 13:34:22 zx	HEADSHOT :o
Dec 06 13:35:02 vapier	zx: watch aeon flux ?
Dec 06 13:35:18 geoman	is that showing now?
Dec 06 13:35:20 zx	vapier, tomorrow
Dec 06 13:35:27 zx	apparently
Dec 06 13:35:29 vapier	it came out last fri
Dec 06 13:35:36 vapier	it wasnt too shabby a movie
Dec 06 13:35:37 zx	It has an astounding 13% on rottentomatoes
Dec 06 13:35:39 zx	I'm excited
Dec 06 13:35:49 vapier	yeah, it's def much better than what rottentomatoes gave it
Dec 06 13:35:53 marienz	spyderous: 'cause I was bored: /msg mzbot ping python marienz was bored :)
Dec 06 13:35:57 vapier	i'd rate it higher than doom3, and i liked doom3 :p
Dec 06 13:35:59 geoman	that, and beavis & butthead made me stay up many a late night just to watch liquid tv
Dec 06 13:36:18 vapier	mmm liquid tv
Dec 06 13:36:24 vapier	back when mtv didnt suck quite as much
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Dec 06 13:36:34 geoman	yes, yes indeed
Dec 06 13:36:40 zx	like when remote control was playing?
Dec 06 13:36:54 vapier	i was big fan of Amp
Dec 06 13:37:23 vapier	zx: wait until near the end of aeon flux and you'll see why they should have had inserted UT/HL:CS sounds
Dec 06 13:37:49 vapier	some dude actually yelled out in the audience HEAD SHOT when we saw it in worcester
Dec 06 13:37:54 zx	haha
Dec 06 13:38:25 zx	I'll be in Worcester this weekend, leaving my precious Austin :(
Dec 06 13:38:30 geoman	heh, that would have the potential to be very amusing
Dec 06 13:38:38 geoman	depending on how many gaming geeks are in the theater
Dec 06 13:38:40 zx	vapier, btw, I bought a bike, sv650
Dec 06 13:38:43 spyderous	vapier: what did you think of the movie?
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Dec 06 13:38:59 vapier	<vapier> it wasnt too shabby a movie
Dec 06 13:39:03 vapier	<vapier> yeah, it's def much better than what rottentomatoes gave it
Dec 06 13:39:05 vapier	<vapier> i'd rate it higher than doom3, and i liked doom3 :p
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Dec 06 13:39:24 vapier	i mean, it digressed greatly from the animated series, but i thought the movie was still good
Dec 06 13:39:25 spyderous	bah, don't expect me to scroll back that far
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Dec 06 13:39:31 spyderous	that was before another person talked to me
Dec 06 13:39:48 spyderous	yeah, i thought it was pretty alright too.
Dec 06 13:39:48 vapier	zx: get your license yet /
Dec 06 13:40:05 zx	vapier, yes
Dec 06 13:40:09 zx	vapier, TX baby
Dec 06 13:40:11 geoman	spyderous: by the way, somebody on #xorg had his/her panties all bunched up about the mesa headers which xorg-server builds against
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Dec 06 13:40:33 vapier	zx: what style ?  sports bike or ...
Dec 06 13:40:40 spyderous	probably that it's using 6.4 instead of 6.4.1, and they have no clue what the difference is
Dec 06 13:40:57 geoman	that was exactly it ;)
Dec 06 13:40:58 zx	vapier, sv650s
Dec 06 13:41:07 vapier	so like this: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/SV_Devon/SV%20Junk/SV650-1a.jpg
Dec 06 13:41:18 spyderous	yeah i love it when people whine about version bumps and then don't even know what they want in the bump
Dec 06 13:42:52 zx	vapier, everyone thinks I will kill myself by end of year
Dec 06 13:43:03 zx	vapier, you have a bandit, right?
Dec 06 13:43:39 vapier	yeah
Dec 06 13:43:51 zx	vapier, too expensive for me :o
Dec 06 13:44:17 vapier	1200s, kind of like this http://www.harleynorth.com/suzuki/images/cyc_04_bandit1200s.jpg
Dec 06 13:44:28 vapier	zx: we got it off ebay from a dude in worcester for a few grand
Dec 06 13:44:40 vapier	had like no mileage on it
Dec 06 13:44:49 vapier	zx: you buy yours brand new or used ?
Dec 06 13:45:07 zx	vapier, used of course
Dec 06 13:45:12 zx	vapier, I'll probably drop it :(
Dec 06 13:45:19 vapier	probably
Dec 06 13:45:26 vapier	which is why you'd be dumb to buy a new one as your first bike
Dec 06 13:45:42 vapier	guess you havent dumped it yet huh
Dec 06 13:45:49 zx	:D
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Dec 06 13:49:12 vapier	zx: john says he misses shopping for underwear with you
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Dec 06 13:50:38 vapier	he also says he cant walk past a gap without thinking about you
Dec 06 13:50:54 zx	vapier, we all had to do our time somewhere
Dec 06 13:51:03 zx	vapier, I unfortunately chose retail
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Dec 06 13:55:16 sanchan	good night
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Dec 06 14:04:41 jforman	latexer: yeah, aint it grand
Dec 06 14:05:18 latexer	jforman: not a good day, huh?
Dec 06 14:05:35 jforman	eh. bugzilla blew up in my face. going to hav to test on that some
Dec 06 14:06:03 latexer	fun.
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Dec 06 14:08:14 zx	jforman, There's an ice rink on the top of whole foods downtown in Austin
Dec 06 14:08:22 jforman	latexer: and on top of that, i always backup the bugzilla /var/www/ vhost.but for some reason i cp'ed it somewhere else. and i was like frantically searching around the box i had it on, thinking i had totally lost the damn www subdir
Dec 06 14:08:33 jforman	zx: what ?!?! the one at 6th and lamar ?
Dec 06 14:08:47 zx	jforman, I think so, ya
Dec 06 14:08:56 latexer	jforman: ouch.
Dec 06 14:09:04 zx	jforman, I saw people ice skating with shorts ;D
Dec 06 14:09:10 jforman	zx: thats new since 've been there. i left when they had just recently broken ground across the street from its old location
Dec 06 14:09:23 jforman	diagonal to waterloo
Dec 06 14:09:45 zx	jforman, ya, ya it's new
Dec 06 14:09:49 jforman	sweet
Dec 06 14:09:50 zx	jforman, book people is in their old location
Dec 06 14:09:56 jforman	nod.
Dec 06 14:10:00 zx	jforman, it's awesome... huge...
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Dec 06 14:10:22 seemant	marienz: awake still?
Dec 06 14:10:56 jforman	'ey seemant
Dec 06 14:11:07 seemant	hi jeff
Dec 06 14:11:19 marienz	seemant: sure
Dec 06 14:11:30 seemant	marienz: the setuptools eclass
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Dec 06 14:11:46 seemant	marienz: having an issue with it
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Dec 06 14:12:23 marienz	seemant: there's some progress on http://eggs.gentooexperimental.org/ I haven't been paying attention to. If it's the original eclass: go ahead.
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Dec 06 14:13:35 seemant	mar	mar			
Dec 06 14:14:33 marienz	seemant: eh?
Dec 06 14:14:55 seemant	marienz: original eclass yes
Dec 06 14:14:55 seemant	ass /dsfdsf
Dec 06 14:14:57 seemant	toucan's laggy for me
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Dec 06 14:19:24 marienz	seemant: well, what's the problem? :)
Dec 06 14:20:26 Griffon26	vapier: if I say "compilation fails with -O3", does that ring any bells?
Dec 06 14:21:49 Griffon26	some asm label that suddenly gets defined twice
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Dec 06 14:31:00 Chainsaw	nvidia++
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Dec 06 14:39:49 lu_zero	back again ^^;
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Dec 06 14:47:54 bonsaikitten_	Chainsaw, I still don't get the nvidia drivers working, so XvMC iss quite low on my priority list ;-)
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Dec 06 14:51:46 Chainsaw	!
Dec 06 14:51:49 Chainsaw	Wtf.
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Dec 06 14:52:02 solar	lu_zero: scroll up and look for your $nick
Dec 06 14:52:24 lu_zero	solar where?
Dec 06 14:52:49 solar	<solar> lu_zero: ffmpeg guys need us to break that patch up or can they handle the trivial parts now?
Dec 06 14:52:49 solar	<solar> being that they have a 2.95 installed and can test it under such conditions
Dec 06 14:53:16 lu_zero	solar I think they won't touch it
Dec 06 14:53:48 lu_zero	and I'm afraid using <10 constraints is not exactly trivial
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Dec 06 15:00:16 spb	is imap on toucan being stupid for anyone else, or is it just me?
Dec 06 15:00:43 *	DerCorny raises his hand
Dec 06 15:00:45 DerCorny	same here
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Dec 06 15:03:44 SuperLag	spb: damn.  And I was going to say that it's just you. :)
Dec 06 15:04:11 Chainsaw	Whatever it's doing is making evolution very nervous.
Dec 06 15:04:45 spb	it's just hanging trying to open folders here
Dec 06 15:05:06 Chainsaw	Yeah. Refreshing folder and opening message.
Dec 06 15:05:23 Chainsaw	It just continued.
Dec 06 15:08:00 seemant	marienz: sorry, our network @ work went fucking nuts, basically
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Dec 06 15:08:05 seemant	possibly a phone thing
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Dec 06 15:08:30 seemant	marienz: ok, so the problem is that MY_P=Django-0.90, but P=django-0.90 and there's no .pth file being created at all
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Dec 06 15:09:17 marienz	seemant: that's odd, can you pastebin the ebuild?
Dec 06 15:09:54 seemant	marienz: sure
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Dec 06 15:10:39 seemant	http://pastebin.com/451457
Dec 06 15:12:01 marienz	seemant: what happens if you s/distutils setuptools/setuptools/?
Dec 06 15:12:51 seemant	same thing, no pth
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Dec 06 15:13:22 marienz	huh, there's no reason for it to not create that I can see
Dec 06 15:13:27 *	marienz tests locally
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Dec 06 15:14:39 marienz	seemant: what name and version?
Dec 06 15:15:06 seemant	marienz: django-0.90.ebuild
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Dec 06 15:16:52 marienz	seemant: and where does the source tar live? :)
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Dec 06 15:17:05 marienz	seemant: (mirror://gentoo/ isn't working)
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Dec 06 15:18:49 seemant	marienz: ah, downloaded from djangoproject.org itself
Dec 06 15:18:57 marienz	sec
Dec 06 15:19:04 seemant	marienz: I didn't spend the time locating the exact src_uri, coz the download link is screwy
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Dec 06 15:20:56 marienz	gaah, needs a newer setuptools than I have so attempts to auto-download
Dec 06 15:21:01 marienz	bad setuptools!
Dec 06 15:22:20 spb	huh.
Dec 06 15:22:30 marienz	(don't get me started on setuptools)
Dec 06 15:22:32 spb	imap now works, but smtp doesn't
Dec 06 15:22:45 marienz	oh, the huh wasn't for me :)
Dec 06 15:23:12 spb	no, the huh was related to what i was saying 20 minutes ago ;p
Dec 06 15:23:21 marienz	seemant: wfm...
Dec 06 15:23:43 marienz	seemant: that is, an ebuild django-0.90.ebuild install seems to give me a proper .pth
Dec 06 15:23:48 marienz	lemme try an actual merge just in case
Dec 06 15:24:24 spb	Error occurred while sending the message:
Dec 06 15:24:25 spb	550 relay not permitted
Dec 06 15:24:44 spb	anyone else getting that trying to send through toucan?
Dec 06 15:25:04 vapier	i ssh tunnel
Dec 06 15:25:10 vapier	so toucan thinks it's getting mail from 127.0.0.1
Dec 06 15:25:23 marienz	seemant: and import django is not giving import errors either. Can you upload your version of the setuptools.eclass and/or compare to mzz.mine.nu/setuptools.eclass?
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Dec 06 15:27:29 seemant	shit
Dec 06 15:27:47 vapier	Griffon26: not really, you'd have to be more specific
Dec 06 15:28:11 seemant	http://pastebin.com/451492
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Dec 06 15:31:19 marienz	seemant: weird. can't really help since I can't reproduce. Stick debug einfo prints all over the place?
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Dec 06 15:34:00 seemant	marienz: the people here want to know how many nodes you have in your cluster?
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Dec 06 15:34:22 marienz	cluster? what cluster? where cluster?
Dec 06 15:34:29 *	marienz looks aronud
Dec 06 15:34:35 marienz	no, can't find any
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Dec 06 15:48:24 geoman	!metadata nvidia-kernel
Dec 06 15:48:28 jeeves	geoman: Package: media-video/nvidia-kernel  Herd: X11-drivers Maintainer: [e-mail] Description: Linux kernel module for then NVIDIA X11 driver
Dec 06 15:48:37 geoman	!herd X11-drivers
Dec 06 15:48:38 jeeves	geoman: Perhaps I'm malfunctioning?
Dec 06 15:48:45 geoman	bah
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Dec 06 15:49:11 brix	!herd x11-drivers
Dec 06 15:49:12 jeeves	brix: (x11-drivers) azarah, battousai, eradicator, joshuabaergen, lu_zero
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Dec 06 15:49:22 geoman	ahh
Dec 06 15:49:50 geoman	that works :P
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Dec 06 15:51:00 geoman	who is augustus?
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Dec 06 15:51:25 geoman	he/she/it is all over the Changelog
Dec 06 15:51:29 spb	nfc
Dec 06 15:51:30 rl03	!herd apache
Dec 06 15:51:31 jeeves	rl03: (apache) chtekk, hollow, kloeri, mattm, robbat2, stuart, trapni, urilith, vericgar, zul
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Dec 06 15:51:38 rl03	!herd web-apps
Dec 06 15:51:38 jeeves	rl03: (web-apps) beu, chtekk, dju, jmglov, max, rl03, robbat2, soulse, st_lim, stuart, trapni
Dec 06 15:51:40 vapier	augustus is a new x11 guy i thought
Dec 06 15:51:48 geoman	anyway, has anybody tried to build the 8174 nvidia-kernel?
Dec 06 15:51:56 geoman	/var/tmp/portage/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8174/work/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8174-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv-vm.c: In function `nv_vmap':
Dec 06 15:51:57 geoman	/var/tmp/portage/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8174/work/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8174-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv-vm.c:817: error: too few arguments to function `vmap'
Dec 06 15:52:03 vapier	root@vapier 0 ~ # qlist -I -v nvidia-
Dec 06 15:52:03 vapier	media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8174
Dec 06 15:52:03 vapier	media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8174
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Dec 06 15:52:24 geoman	hmm
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Dec 06 15:53:07 vapier	what version of linux geoman ?  ive got like 2.6.14.3
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Dec 06 15:53:27 morfic	21:53 < Voxpasty> augustus: amd64
Dec 06 15:53:41 geoman	vapier: I was on 2.6.14.2
Dec 06 15:53:49 geoman	also tried on 2.6.15-rc5...same shit
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Dec 06 15:53:57 beejay|off	night kids
Dec 06 15:54:14 vapier	you're just a loser then geoman
Dec 06 15:54:20 geoman	vapier: apparently
Dec 06 15:54:21 vapier	i'm amd64 though, maybe that's why
Dec 06 15:54:26 geoman	hmm
Dec 06 15:54:28 geoman	x86 here
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Dec 06 15:55:02 geoman	vapier: s/amd/x86-/ btw :)
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Dec 06 15:55:38 vapier	actually it's x86_64 as far as the kernel cares
Dec 06 15:55:41 vapier	and i dont really care
Dec 06 15:55:45 az	geoman: works fine here with 2.6.15-rc5-git<2 days ago>
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Dec 06 15:56:11 az	but also x86_64
Dec 06 15:56:15 az	ill check later on my p4
Dec 06 15:56:18 geoman	damn
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Dec 06 16:00:57 geoman	yet 7676 compiles just fine
Dec 06 16:01:03 geoman	hmm
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Dec 06 16:52:52 ciaranm	!herd ppc
Dec 06 16:52:53 jeeves	ciaranm: (ppc) anarchy, dams, dertobi123, dholm, dostrow, dragonheart, eklipse, fafhrd, hansmi, josejx, lizb, lu_zero, morfic, pvdabeel, pylon, rajiv, sejo, wormo
Dec 06 16:52:56 ciaranm	!herd amd64
Dec 06 16:52:57 jeeves	ciaranm: (amd64) absinthe, aliz, anarchy, astinus, augustus, avenj, azerah, blubb, config, cryos, dang, eradicator, flameeyes, gerrynjr, herbs, hparker, humpback, jhuebel, kingtaco, kugelfang, luckyduck, lv, malc, metalgod, morfic, nichoj, r3pek, sekretarz, slarti, superlag, tester, trapni, voxus
Dec 06 16:53:10 MetalGOD	pong ?
Dec 06 16:53:37 bonsaikitten_	I think that was a googlefight to see which arch is better
Dec 06 16:53:37 MetalGOD	amd64++ :P
Dec 06 16:53:52 ciaranm	MetalGOD: is there a list of "people allowed to mess with $arch keywords" for amd64/ppc?
Dec 06 16:54:05 hansmi	ciaranm: I don't know about such a list for ppc.
Dec 06 16:54:10 MetalGOD	ciaranm, no
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Dec 06 16:54:13 ciaranm	make one!
Dec 06 16:55:00 ciaranm	hrm, who gives out devwiki accounts?
Dec 06 16:55:28 MetalGOD	cchields i think
Dec 06 16:55:51 ciaranm	here corey corey corey...
Dec 06 16:56:42 kingtaco|work	eh?
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Dec 06 16:56:48 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, btw, doesn't look like the mozilla typo ("folder") caused the world to implode ...
Dec 06 16:56:58 bonsaikitten_	I think we can safely un-blocker that bug
Dec 06 16:57:45 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: the four norsemen of the apocalypse just went by
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Dec 06 16:58:33 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, yah right ... vewy funnay
Dec 06 16:58:40 bonsaikitten_	please don't spam?
Dec 06 16:59:12 ciaranm	spam comes from vikings, not norsemen
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Dec 06 16:59:30 tove	ciaranm: atm x86 arch team allows package maintainers to keyword ~x86 if they are able to test the package on x86.
Dec 06 16:59:46 ciaranm	tove: yeah. x86 is speshul in that respect still
Dec 06 16:59:46 bonsaikitten_	spam eggs spam spam bacon spam spam spam ciaranm?
Dec 06 17:00:05 kingtaco|work	tove, amd64 allows the same currently
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Dec 06 17:01:05 ciaranm	sparc and mips need you to be on the 'approved list' for two reasons. one, variety of hardware (as in, more than x86 vs amd64). two, to avoid crap that no-one wants being keyworded and turning into a support burden
Dec 06 17:02:07 hansmi	ciaranm: Who maintains those lists?
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Dec 06 17:02:29 ciaranm	hansmi: the arch leads
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Dec 06 17:03:52 ciaranm	actually, i stopped ~x86ing new stuff when the x86 arch team came along
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Dec 06 17:08:04 amne	since no one else asked
Dec 06 17:08:06 amne	ciaranm: why?
Dec 06 17:08:28 ciaranm	because i was assuming that they'd want to do new keyword stuff too
Dec 06 17:08:40 ciaranm	and because less work for me is good :P
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Dec 06 17:18:16 MetalGOD	damn it
Dec 06 17:18:23 MetalGOD	bbconf is in all ways broken :S
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Dec 06 17:18:51 ciaranm	yup
Dec 06 17:18:57 ciaranm	i say we drop bb* from the tree
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Dec 06 17:19:30 MetalGOD	ciaranm, i finished writing a patch to fix -fpic issues
Dec 06 17:19:38 MetalGOD	but now it's broken with multilib-strict
Dec 06 17:19:53 ciaranm	let it die
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Dec 06 17:20:25 ciaranm	last time i tried to remove a load of bb* tools i got lynched by a couple of fanboys who were quite happy to rant but totally unprepared to fix the bugs
Dec 06 17:20:32 MetalGOD	yeah
Dec 06 17:20:39 MetalGOD	bb fanclub
Dec 06 17:20:47 Kugelfang	bb* ?
Dec 06 17:20:50 ciaranm	blackbox
Dec 06 17:20:59 Kugelfang	ah
Dec 06 17:21:05 MetalGOD	happy birthday Kugelfang [[[]]
Dec 06 17:21:14 Kugelfang	thx :-)
Dec 06 17:21:14 *	MetalGOD wants a beer from Kugelfang 
Dec 06 17:21:18 Kugelfang	hehe
Dec 06 17:21:25 lu_zero	happy birthday Kugelfang
Dec 06 17:21:25 *	ciaranm wants a bear from Kugelfang 
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Dec 06 17:21:35 Kugelfang	actually, it's already past my birthday :-)
Dec 06 17:21:46 ciaranm	not in this timezone!
Dec 06 17:21:53 Kugelfang	heh
Dec 06 17:21:56 Kugelfang	lu_zero: thx :-)
Dec 06 17:22:04 *	Kugelfang hands ciaranm a bear
Dec 06 17:22:14 *	Kugelfang hands MetalGOD a beer
Dec 06 17:22:20 ciaranm	mmmm, bear
Dec 06 17:22:25 ciaranm	now i want a bare!
Dec 06 17:22:30 lu_zero	Kugelfang a teddy bear or wild one?
Dec 06 17:22:34 ciaranm	mary had a little lamb
Dec 06 17:22:37 ciaranm	she also had a bear
Dec 06 17:22:41 Kugelfang	heh
Dec 06 17:22:42 ciaranm	i've often seen her little lamb
Dec 06 17:22:46 ciaranm	but i've never seen her bare :(
Dec 06 17:23:00 lu_zero	ciaranm what's that?
Dec 06 17:23:14 Kugelfang	bare == naked  (in this context)
Dec 06 17:23:26 ciaranm	lu_zero: parody of an english nursery rhyme
Dec 06 17:23:26 *	lu_zero wonders if the sekrit projekt made ciaranm even more crazy
Dec 06 17:23:30 *	bonsaikitten_ has seen teh b00bies
Dec 06 17:23:31 lu_zero	ciaranm ahhh
Dec 06 17:23:47 ciaranm	mary had a little lamb
Dec 06 17:23:51 ciaranm	she tied it to a pylon
Dec 06 17:23:54 Kugelfang	and i suspect that bear has aconotation like pubic hair as well
Dec 06 17:23:59 ciaranm	ten thousand volts went up its arse
Dec 06 17:24:03 ciaranm	and turned its wool to nylon
Dec 06 17:24:07 ciaranm	Kugelfang: not really
Dec 06 17:24:23 Kugelfang	really, n german you can say it like that ;-)
Dec 06 17:24:29 lu_zero	eh?
Dec 06 17:24:30 Kugelfang	s/,/?/
Dec 06 17:24:40 ciaranm	'beaver' in english
Dec 06 17:24:44 Kugelfang	ah, ok
Dec 06 17:25:07 lu_zero	pff
Dec 06 17:25:13 Kugelfang	lu_zero: :-)
Dec 06 17:25:24 *	lu_zero wonders where in the world it's called mole
Dec 06 17:25:45 *	Kugelfang looks towards australia
Dec 06 17:25:51 lu_zero	(in Italy it's referred as rodent)
Dec 06 17:26:22 *	Kugelfang looks up rodent
Dec 06 17:26:30 ciaranm	it's latin, foo!
Dec 06 17:26:45 *	Kugelfang didn't have no latin classes
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Dec 06 17:27:03 Kugelfang	ah, makes sense
Dec 06 17:27:11 hansmi	Kugelfang: so you had? double negation.
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Dec 06 17:27:41 Kugelfang	hansmi: we're not in math here... :-)
Dec 06 17:27:42 ciaranm	"didn't have no" and "ain't had no" are bad english for "didn't have"
Dec 06 17:27:54 ciaranm	no double negation there... idiomatic
Dec 06 17:27:54 bonsaikitten_	bad french influence ;-)
Dec 06 17:28:01 hansmi	Bah.
Dec 06 17:28:11 ciaranm	bonsaikitten_: not on those ones
Dec 06 17:28:31 bonsaikitten_	ciaranm, laugh, it's funny ...
Dec 06 17:28:31 Kugelfang	ciaranm: uh? ok
Dec 06 17:28:42 bonsaikitten_	ce n'est pas un bonsaikitten_ ...
Dec 06 17:29:06 ciaranm	ceci, not ce!
Dec 06 17:29:13 bonsaikitten_	ca depend ...
Dec 06 17:29:18 ciaranm	pas du tout
Dec 06 17:29:33 bonsaikitten_	as if I was trying to quote a painter here ...
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Dec 06 17:29:48 lu_zero	une pipe?
Dec 06 17:30:04 bonsaikitten_	to quote Vincent van Gogh: "Aaaaah! It hurts! My ear!!!"
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Dec 06 17:30:10 ciaranm	i can't think of anything to say that isn't vastly inappropriate
Dec 06 17:30:56 bonsaikitten_	what would charles darwin say if he was alive today? "Help! I'm buried in a coffin! Aaaah!"
Dec 06 17:31:06 ciaranm	if he *were* dammit!
Dec 06 17:31:08 *	bonsaikitten_ should stop being unfunny, it's not funny
Dec 06 17:31:21 bonsaikitten_	haha got you all wound up :-)
Dec 06 17:31:46 bonsaikitten_	fun fact: most germans can't handle conditional tenses in their own language
Dec 06 17:32:10 ciaranm	yes. i'm extremely pissed off because i had to spend the best part of an hour going over an essay with my (german) cs tutor explaining to her why her corrections were incorrect
Dec 06 17:32:24 bonsaikitten_	har
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Dec 06 17:32:51 ciaranm	also, subjunctive in english isn't a tense
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Dec 06 17:33:01 Kugelfang	lucky you
Dec 06 17:33:04 ciaranm	also, sourceforge anon cvs must die
Dec 06 17:33:15 bonsaikitten_	I never grokked that grammar thing ... I just string words togethr
Dec 06 17:33:21 ciaranm	Kugelfang: no, not lucky. it's a mood, which means it gets combined with a tense
Dec 06 17:33:27 Kugelfang	bonsaikitten_: no, you cat :-P
Dec 06 17:33:43 bonsaikitten_	Kugelfang, meow prrrrrr whrrrrrrr?
Dec 06 17:33:50 Kugelfang	ciaranm: yeah, but in german it's a tense...
Dec 06 17:34:02 bonsaikitten_	two different ones
Dec 06 17:34:07 Kugelfang	in deed
Dec 06 17:34:11 ciaranm	fortunately i managed to get out of having to do german at school
Dec 06 17:34:17 bonsaikitten_	me too
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Dec 06 17:34:42 ciaranm	managed to talk my way into a french class instead. which was a walkover, since i spoke fluent french at the time
Dec 06 17:35:09 Kugelfang	Konjunktiv I and Konjunktiv II aka Optativ Perfekt
Dec 06 17:35:22 bonsaikitten_	*head explodes*
Dec 06 17:35:29 bonsaikitten_	Kugelfang, please don't do that :-)
Dec 06 17:35:50 ciaranm	heh. prod spb and get him to start reciting latin verb forms
Dec 06 17:35:58 Kugelfang	haha... Kugelfang vs bonsaikitten_, round 1
Dec 06 17:36:14 bonsaikitten_	dat is heelemal niet leuk, meneer van dijk!
Dec 06 17:36:24 Kugelfang	jaja
Dec 06 17:36:35 ciaranm	amo, amas, amat, amanis, amatis, amant!
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Dec 06 17:36:57 ciaranm	anyone want to review a 22k line diff for me and find the mistake?
Dec 06 17:36:58 bonsaikitten_	or ris tur mur mini ntur if my memorization hasn't degraded :-)
Dec 06 17:37:22 Kugelfang	ciaranm: which pkg?
Dec 06 17:37:25 lu_zero	ciaranm amanis?
Dec 06 17:37:28 ciaranm	Kugelfang: vim7 cvs
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Dec 06 17:37:36 ciaranm	lu_zero: something roughly like that
Dec 06 17:38:04 Kugelfang	ciaranm: kthxnobye :-)
Dec 06 17:38:05 lu_zero	mius maybe?
Dec 06 17:38:42 ciaranm	oh, amanus. oops
Dec 06 17:38:57 *	lu_zero should revise his latin ^^;
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Dec 06 17:42:34 Ramereth	Stuart: ping
Dec 06 17:42:51 *	Kugelfang gone to bed now
Dec 06 17:42:52 Kugelfang	nn
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Dec 06 17:44:01 ciaranm	'night Kugelfang
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Dec 06 17:48:12 lu_zero	nite Kugelfang
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Dec 06 17:55:02 az	geoman: works here with 2.6.15-rc5-git<latest> on x86 as well
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Dec 06 17:55:27 az	can try earlier if you really want i guess
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Dec 06 17:57:27 geoman	az: well, I tried with 2.6.14.2 and 2.6.15-rc5
Dec 06 17:57:32 geoman	both failed the same way...
Dec 06 17:58:27 az	its an athlon ?
Dec 06 17:59:19 geoman	yep
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Dec 06 18:01:47 az	although if i look at mm/vmalloc.c, it does not look arch independent (vmap())
Dec 06 18:04:22 az	geoman: can you cd to:
Dec 06 18:04:39 az	 /var/tmp/portage/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8174/work/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8174-pkg1/usr/src/nv
Dec 06 18:04:44 az	(i think for x86)
Dec 06 18:04:46 az	and run:
Dec 06 18:04:51 az	sh conftest.sh gcc gcc /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux vmap_arg_count
Dec 06 18:05:14 az	were /usr/src/linux is your 2.6.15-rc5 sources
Dec 06 18:05:32 spyderous	az: how are the nvidia drivers going?
Dec 06 18:05:40 geoman	az: 4
Dec 06 18:05:48 az	spyderous: in what why ? :)
Dec 06 18:05:54 az	geoman: hmm, here too
Dec 06 18:06:08 spyderous	az: just in the general, having fun maintaining them? sense..
Dec 06 18:06:40 spyderous	az: lu_zero: btw whenever you have time, the drivers should get moved to x11-drivers/
Dec 06 18:06:45 az	spyderous: oh ... err, i probably should stop slacking with them ? =)
Dec 06 18:06:58 spyderous	az: as long as somebody picks up the slack, who cares =)
Dec 06 18:07:40 az	guess between me, jeremy and augustus it gets done
Dec 06 18:08:25 az	geoman: the compile line .. does it give -DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT or -DNV_VMAP_2_PRESENT ?
Dec 06 18:08:41 az	s/give/have/
Dec 06 18:08:59 geoman	-DNV_VMAP_2_PRESENT
Dec 06 18:09:18 az	ok, so something gets screwed under the ebuild
Dec 06 18:09:35 geoman	that should be s/2/4/, shouldn't it
Dec 06 18:09:48 az	geoman: does: make SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
Dec 06 18:09:50 az	work ?
Dec 06 18:09:53 az	in that dir
Dec 06 18:10:01 geoman	looks that way
Dec 06 18:10:06 geoman	!!! Unable to make                                  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux clean module.
Dec 06 18:10:13 geoman	seeing as that message dumps out at the end
Dec 06 18:10:24 geoman	oh, I see what you mean
Dec 06 18:10:25 geoman	nevermind me
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Dec 06 18:10:42 az	yeah, it should be -DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT
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Dec 06 18:12:12 geoman	yeah, it works
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Dec 06 18:13:40 geoman	az: I've got to eat dinner, just ping me if you need me to try something
Dec 06 18:13:42 puggy	Ramereth: pong
Dec 06 18:13:52 Ramereth	puggy: your mail is bouncing
Dec 06 18:13:55 jforman	geoman: ping
Dec 06 18:13:57 Ramereth	or at least was
Dec 06 18:14:22 puggy	Ramereth: meh, I wondered why I hadn't had much gentoo mail.
Dec 06 18:14:49 puggy	Ramereth: ffs, I work in a computing laboratory, you'd think they could keep the mail servers up.
Dec 06 18:15:08 puggy	Ramereth: is it getting through now?
Dec 06 18:15:08 Ramereth	heh
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Dec 06 18:15:20 Ramereth	let me check
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Dec 06 18:15:31 puggy	Ramereth: what happens to bounced mail if I just have a mail forward?
Dec 06 18:15:40 puggy	Ramereth: does it get bounced back to the sender?
Dec 06 18:15:42 Ramereth	it stays in our queue for a few days
Dec 06 18:15:48 puggy	Ramereth: ah, that's nice.
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Dec 06 18:16:12 Ramereth	you've only got 29 mails in our queue, so no big deal
Dec 06 18:17:33 puggy	Ramereth: it's very weird, I thought they would have been held in the Computing Services queue if the comlabs server was down.
Dec 06 18:18:00 az	geoman: not sure .. ebuild is fairly the same as prev, and you say prev works, so it cannot be eclass issues
Dec 06 18:18:04 Ramereth	puggy: hrm, looks like most of the mails are the virus type
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Dec 06 18:18:32 ciaranm	wooh! long live the "portage snipping off half the build messages" bug
Dec 06 18:20:01 puggy	Ramereth: that's very odd, there aren't meant to be any filters on my email until it reaches the comlab.
Dec 06 18:20:02 az	geoman: maydo do in that dir: make IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux clean module
Dec 06 18:20:14 az	geoman: and see if that works
Dec 06 18:20:16 puggy	Ramereth: and even then, it's just my procmail.
Dec 06 18:21:20 jakub	sigh...
Dec 06 18:21:46 jakub	subversion was supposed to *block* ExtUtils-MakeMaker, not *depend* on it :(
Dec 06 18:21:50 puggy	Ramereth: I'm not sure what else I can tell you.
Dec 06 18:21:53 jakub	http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/dev-util/subversion/subversion-1.3.0_rc4.ebuild?r1=1.1&r2=1.2
Dec 06 18:21:59 Ramereth	puggy: eh, don't worry about it
Dec 06 18:21:59 ciaranm	subversion won't build for me
Dec 06 18:22:07 ciaranm	and i can't see why, because portage is eating the error message
Dec 06 18:23:53 puggy	Ramereth: ok, thanks, if it happens again, I'll redirect my mail to a gmail and pick it up form there or something. At least gmail is reliable. Bloody comlab infrastructure.
Dec 06 18:23:56 spyderous	lu_zero: i retract that. didn't notice you already did it
Dec 06 18:26:30 lu_zero	spyderous ?
Dec 06 18:26:38 *	lu_zero was writing some emails
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Dec 06 18:27:36 lu_zero	ah
Dec 06 18:27:57 lu_zero	once I got a new version I moved it
Dec 06 18:28:19 lu_zero	(and moved -extra to x11-apps)
Dec 06 18:28:30 lu_zero	hmm
Dec 06 18:28:37 lu_zero	aspell segfaulting...
Dec 06 18:28:39 lu_zero	BAD
Dec 06 18:28:45 ciaranm	waaah! failed again, and still no error message
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Dec 06 18:29:09 jakub	that message-eating bug is annoying :/
Dec 06 18:29:22 ciaranm	has ferringb admitted that it's a bug yet?
Dec 06 18:29:39 jakub	yeah, iirc
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Dec 06 18:33:24 ciaranm	hrm, portage really hates PORT_LOGDIR= emerge foo
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Dec 06 18:35:43 az	oh crock, wtf did they bump ExtUtils-MakeMaker
Dec 06 18:35:57 ciaranm	didn't ExtUtils-MakeMaker get moved into perl ages ago?
Dec 06 18:36:16 ciaranm	and didn't it cause all sorts of chaos because of a weird circular block?
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Dec 06 18:36:52 jakub	can someone plz. fix pauldv screwup?
Dec 06 18:36:57 jakub	Bug 114415
Dec 06 18:37:11 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114415; "dev-util/subversion should block perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker (insecure RUNPATHs issue)"; [Gentoo Linux :: Server]; {NEW}; Heinz Hombergs->Paul de Vrieze; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114415
Dec 06 18:37:17 jakub	before the next round of insecure runpaths starts :(
Dec 06 18:37:53 az	plus the fact that we patched a security issue that is not in the external one, as nobody from perl added that patch there
Dec 06 18:39:21 *	ciaranm goes to fix
Dec 06 18:40:24 az	i dont think that is the proper fix
Dec 06 18:40:29 az	and its not the only thing affected
Dec 06 18:40:32 ciaranm	...or not. repoman hates me.
Dec 06 18:40:40 az	they should either rip the damn thing
Dec 06 18:40:51 az	or only use it and actually add the damn patch
Dec 06 18:40:52 geoman	jforman: pong
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Dec 06 18:40:57 ciaranm	ok, no, i'm not fixing it. don't want to cvs upd the entire tree over this connection...
Dec 06 18:41:02 geoman	az: it builds with that full make line
Dec 06 18:41:25 jakub	plus WTH are we *stabilizing* a new version!?!?
Dec 06 18:41:40 az	god knows
Dec 06 18:41:47 ciaranm	/var/tmp/portage/subversion-1.2.3-r3/work/subversion-1.2.3/libtool: line 1238: none: command not found
Dec 06 18:41:51 ciaranm	wooh!
Dec 06 18:42:01 az	mcummings said he's gonna rip it
Dec 06 18:42:23 geoman	ciaranm: yeah, I noticed PORT_LOGDIR totally gobbles up everything on my O2
Dec 06 18:42:34 geoman	but I wasn't sure if that was a real bug, or a phantom n32 bug
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Dec 06 18:42:49 ciaranm	it's a real bug
Dec 06 18:43:19 jforman	geoman: damn, was hoping to catch you before your dinner to give you a hard time ;)
Dec 06 18:43:29 geoman	jforman: about what?
Dec 06 18:43:35 geoman	jforman: or just in general? ;)
Dec 06 18:43:38 jforman	nothing. just to make you wait for no reason
Dec 06 18:43:44 geoman	ass
Dec 06 18:43:45 geoman	heh
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Dec 06 18:45:09 az	geoman: not sure .. would appreciate if you could maybe try to see why it doing it over there by you .. maybe emerge -d or something
Dec 06 18:45:24 *	kloeri has kicked tsunam from #gentoo-dev (welcome to Gentoo :))
Dec 06 18:45:51 ciaranm	so who's that and what does he break?
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Dec 06 18:46:30 kloeri	he's going to help break x86 :)
Dec 06 18:47:02 ciaranm	they need help with that?
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Dec 06 18:47:17 kloeri	apparently so
Dec 06 18:47:45 kloeri	welcome to the team tsunam
Dec 06 18:48:11 tsunam	thank you ^.^;;
Dec 06 18:48:14 ciaranm	tsunam: welcome aboard. use repoman or we attack you with the rusty cheese grater
Dec 06 18:48:27 geoman	az: hmm, I'm not seeing anything blatant which would cause it to use 2 instead of 4 with emerge -d
Dec 06 18:48:35 tsunam	ciaranm: not the rusty cheese grater! I like my smooth complexion
Dec 06 18:48:41 kloeri	tsunam: and watch out for ciaranm, he bites :)
Dec 06 18:48:57 tsunam	I only like to be bit by the ladies ;)
Dec 06 18:49:17 geoman	az: but then, I'm very far from a bash expert, heh
Dec 06 18:49:22 jforman	tsunam: serve things out of your ~ on dev, and i will come after you with a pick axe
Dec 06 18:49:27 kloeri	well, ciaranm fights like a lady.. ;p
Dec 06 18:50:07 tsunam	jforman: I'll direct you to the nearest gold mine, sure you'll find something worthwhile with that ax
Dec 06 18:50:18 ciaranm	'axe' has an 'e'. hth.
Dec 06 18:50:29 tsunam	meh
Dec 06 18:50:37 tsunam	the e stuck ;)
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Dec 06 18:50:58 az	jakub: ok, i fixed it, but referenced bug 105054
Dec 06 18:51:01 GenBot	az: Bug 105054; "dev-util/subversion-1.2.3-r1 contains insecure RUNPATH's"; [Gentoo Security :: Vulnerabilities]; {RESOLVED:FIXED}; Paul Varner->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/105054
Dec 06 18:51:03 ciaranm	magic magic eeeeeeeee!
Dec 06 18:51:03 geoman	tsunam: welcome! break the tree and you die, break mips and I'll personally remove the flesh from your still-breathing corpse
Dec 06 18:51:06 geoman	tsunam: have a nice day :)
Dec 06 18:51:12 ciaranm	that's my line
Dec 06 18:51:16 *	geoman chuckles
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Dec 06 18:51:29 jakub	az: thanks...
Dec 06 18:51:35 jforman	geoman: we just need a bot..."!welcome <newdev>" that spits out the typical lines
Dec 06 18:51:36 tsunam	geoman: speaking of mips, I might come into posession of such a machine and help in random ways
Dec 06 18:51:44 geoman	ciaranm: except you barely do anything on mips since your folks threw away your box :)
Dec 06 18:51:50 geoman	tsunam: what sort?
Dec 06 18:51:51 ciaranm	uh oh. it's never good when random people get sparc or mips kit
Dec 06 18:51:54 ciaranm	true that
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Dec 06 18:52:06 tsunam	geoman: gotta poke halcy0n about it
Dec 06 18:52:10 tsunam	he has both right now
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Dec 06 18:52:19 geoman	oh, probably an indy then
Dec 06 18:52:22 tsunam	probably
Dec 06 18:52:24 geoman	I think he has a couple laying around
Dec 06 18:52:50 tsunam	course he has to hook them up and see what they are
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Dec 06 18:53:02 az	jakub: so just make it a dup or soemthing
Dec 06 18:53:03 ciaranm	naah. sgi kit, you just look at what colour it is
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Dec 06 18:53:11 geoman	ciaranm: not necessarily
Dec 06 18:53:20 geoman	ciaranm: Indys and O2s are both blue
Dec 06 18:53:27 ciaranm	geoman: different blue
Dec 06 18:53:39 geoman	yeah, but how do you adequately describe that via irc? ;)
Dec 06 18:53:39 tsunam	Halcy0n is partially color blind
Dec 06 18:53:41 tsunam	so blue is blue
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Dec 06 18:54:06 ciaranm	teal blue, sea blue or deep blue?
Dec 06 18:54:30 tsunam	sea blue can be teal blue, depending on how deep the water is though
Dec 06 18:57:15 ciaranm	you don't want to put sgi kit underwater, foo!
Dec 06 18:57:26 ciaranm	you can throw it down stairs or out of a window, but water is pushing it
Dec 06 18:57:32 tsunam	heh
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Dec 06 19:02:38 spb	dammit
Dec 06 19:02:45 spb	why does stage3 not have screen and vim?
Dec 06 19:03:29 geoman	because nano is the default gentoo editor
Dec 06 19:03:38 geoman	and screen isn't in system
Dec 06 19:04:17 spb	i know
Dec 06 19:04:28 spb	rhetorical question, foo
Dec 06 19:05:05 geoman	I know
Dec 06 19:05:09 geoman	I was just being a smartass
Dec 06 19:05:18 spb	ass
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Dec 06 19:08:39 ciaranm	ok, who knows libtool?
Dec 06 19:09:09 spb	i know that it must die
Dec 06 19:09:14 spb	does that count?
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Dec 06 19:12:32 Halcy0n	geoman: yea, they are Indys.  Still no idea what chips they have precisely.
Dec 06 19:13:18 geoman	Halcy0n: boot them up to the prom, get to the command prompt, and type "hinv"
Dec 06 19:13:29 Halcy0n	geoman: yea, this requires me getting the serial cable/making one :)
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Dec 06 19:13:44 ciaranm	you can make 'em for an indy. dead easy
Dec 06 19:14:04 ciaranm	http://www.pccables.com/70810.htm <-- pinout
Dec 06 19:14:06 Halcy0n	ciaranm: well, expect me to poke you in the next week or two if I make one and it doesn't work.
Dec 06 19:14:13 Halcy0n	And I grabbed the manual, so I have the pinout :)
Dec 06 19:14:34 ciaranm	i made one for my challenge s out of an old sun type 4 and some paperclips
Dec 06 19:15:00 spyderous	lu_zero: was asking you to move ati-drivers to x11-drivers but you already did it
Dec 06 19:15:41 spb	translation of above statement: "<ciaranm> i'm leeter than you, so don't try to compete"
Dec 06 19:15:57 Halcy0n	spb: I figured :)
Dec 06 19:16:09 ciaranm	heh. no, you can outleet me by only using paperclips
Dec 06 19:16:33 tsunam	haha
Dec 06 19:16:45 *	Halcy0n ponders.
Dec 06 19:16:59 Halcy0n	Well...I do have 2 :)  So I could always use the other for space parts of I ruin it :P
Dec 06 19:17:25 ciaranm	pretty tricky to wreck serial
Dec 06 19:17:30 ciaranm	unless you wire it into mains or something
Dec 06 19:17:45 *	spb hands ciaranm a serial connector, mains plug, and a soldering iron
Dec 06 19:17:50 Halcy0n	ciaranm: well, I'm on my third Playstation2. :)
Dec 06 19:18:00 Halcy0n	Don't ask what happened with the previous two.
Dec 06 19:18:12 tsunam	what happened to the previous two?
Dec 06 19:18:16 ciaranm	heh. i seem to kill headphone sockets rather too often
Dec 06 19:18:36 Halcy0n	First one somehow ended up getting full of beer and stopped working.
Dec 06 19:18:56 spb	i don't tend to kill anything, except occasionally conversations
Dec 06 19:19:00 Halcy0n	Second one lost a capacitor during a modchip attempt.  I had to use the alternate power point and it was _tiny_.
Dec 06 19:19:01 *	spb feels left out
Dec 06 19:19:07 ciaranm	spb: try harder
Dec 06 19:19:13 tsunam	spb: you kill conversations more often then "occasionally"
Dec 06 19:19:16 spb	that defeats the point
Dec 06 19:19:41 spb	it doesn't count if it's deliberate
Dec 06 19:19:51 Halcy0n	Yea, it has to be random acts of stupidity or it doesn't count.
Dec 06 19:20:50 SpanKY	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=15-117-802-02.jpg%2C15-117-802-03.jpg%2C15-117-802-04.jpg%2C15-117-802-05.jpg%2C15-117-802-06.jpg&CurImage=15-117-802-03.jpg&Description=PowerColor+T55E-P03+Theater+550+PRO+PCI-Express+x1+Interface+Tuner+Card+-+Retail
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Dec 06 19:24:49 geoman	SpanKY: heh, doesn't use very much of the slot, does it?
Dec 06 19:25:05 SpanKY	that's what she said
Dec 06 19:25:20 geoman	yeah, except her slot was bigger than your mom's
Dec 06 19:25:27 geoman	which is to say, really damn big
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Dec 06 19:47:14 antarus|osx	anyone with decent bash foo about?
Dec 06 19:47:24 ciaranm	no
Dec 06 19:48:20 antarus|osx	hi ciaranm  ;)
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Dec 06 19:52:18 agaffney	antarus|osx: whatcha need?
Dec 06 19:52:43 ciaranm	he needs someone with decent bash foo
Dec 06 19:52:53 *	agaffney sighs
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Dec 06 19:55:48 ciaranm	wooh! it compiles!
Dec 06 19:55:55 genone	ship it!
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Dec 06 19:57:01 ciaranm	genone: so what's the deal with inconsistent underscores? hmm? HMM?
Dec 06 19:57:18 genone	they're ugly :P
Dec 06 19:57:31 antarus|osx	agaffney: was missing an exec ;0
Dec 06 19:57:43 antarus|osx	agaffney: I blame the bash manpage for being a piece
Dec 06 19:58:02 agaffney	antarus|osx: meeting time if you're still coming
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Dec 06 20:00:04 antarus|osx	erm shizzle
Dec 06 20:00:13 antarus|osx	brt
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Dec 06 20:01:47 MetalGOD	jforman, pong
Dec 06 20:01:57 jforman	MetalGOD: i saw you are the daddy of banshee ?
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Dec 06 20:02:17 MetalGOD	jforman, yes i am
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Dec 06 20:02:30 jforman	MetalGOD: how many hoops are needed to get it working?
Dec 06 20:02:57 MetalGOD	jforman, well the version in portage should work well the new ones i'm trying to fix em
Dec 06 20:03:08 jforman	nod
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Dec 06 20:03:21 jforman	MetalGOD: looks slick, might try that out
Dec 06 20:03:56 MetalGOD	jforman, 0.9.13 don't run on amd64 (my arch) 0.10 gets me access violations so it needs a patch to fix it
Dec 06 20:04:04 jforman	ahh okay. i am x86
Dec 06 20:04:09 MetalGOD	but 0.9.12 runs fine here if you have dbus running
Dec 06 20:04:21 jforman	nod, i do
Dec 06 20:04:24 MetalGOD	i might commit 0.9.13 for x86 users
Dec 06 20:04:32 MetalGOD	jforman, you have any problem with the version in portage ?
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Dec 06 20:04:56 jforman	i have not tried it. was asking of its success before i start keywording
Dec 06 20:05:30 rajiv	jforman: hi
Dec 06 20:05:35 jforman	hey rajiv
Dec 06 20:05:47 MetalGOD	jforman, try it it should run fine ;)
Dec 06 20:05:52 jforman	will do ;)
Dec 06 20:06:04 rajiv	query jforman
Dec 06 20:06:08 jforman	of course
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Dec 06 20:49:55 ciaranm	!seen fuzzyray
Dec 06 20:49:57 GenBot	fuzzyray was last seen 2 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 1 minute and 46 seconds ago, saying 'Apparently we can't have a sense of humor (bug 112714)' in #gentoo-portage.
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Dec 06 20:54:16 ciaranm	who wants to bet upon whether findutils-4.2.27.tar.gz will make it onto our mirrors without exploding horribly and making infra cry?
Dec 06 20:56:20 MetalGOD	damn access violations errrr
Dec 06 20:56:37 ciaranm	please tell me it's not gvim
Dec 06 20:56:55 MetalGOD	no
Dec 06 20:56:59 ciaranm	yay!
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Dec 06 20:57:01 MetalGOD	it's banshee errr
Dec 06 20:57:09 MetalGOD	.gconf stuff
Dec 06 20:57:21 spb	oh well, that one can be blamed on gconf sucking
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Dec 06 20:58:21 MetalGOD	yep
Dec 06 20:58:57 MetalGOD	ciaranm, you usually get those with gvim ?
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Dec 06 20:59:34 ciaranm	MetalGOD: no. until a week ago
Dec 06 20:59:47 ciaranm	only happens with gvim7 with USE=gnome
Dec 06 20:59:58 ciaranm	and as i don't have gnome installed, it's kinda hard for me to check whether it's fixed
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Dec 06 21:02:17 drobbins	hiya
Dec 06 21:02:31 ciaranm	daniel!
Dec 06 21:02:49 MetalGOD	hey drobbins
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Dec 06 21:06:44 drobbins	hey
Dec 06 21:07:12 drobbins	what's up?
Dec 06 21:07:18 ciaranm	don't know, i've never been there
Dec 06 21:07:59 drobbins	meep
Dec 06 21:08:14 drobbins	don't make me start communicating in binary codes
Dec 06 21:08:20 drobbins	because I *will* do it if pressed
Dec 06 21:08:36 *	ciaranm pushes drobbins's buttonses
Dec 06 21:09:17 drobbins	nope
Dec 06 21:09:25 drobbins	you don't really push my buttonses
Dec 06 21:10:06 nerdboy	yo
Dec 06 21:10:10 drobbins	yo
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Dec 06 21:11:54 ciaranm	win 36
Dec 06 21:11:57 ciaranm	bleh!
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Dec 06 21:14:08 MetalGOD	bah
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Dec 06 21:24:47 Mr_Bones_	see, now *I* would have done it all at once, but that's just me.
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Dec 06 21:34:28 rajiv	hey drobbins whats going on
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Dec 06 21:38:48 orangejello	=)
Dec 06 21:40:37 rane	ciaranm: please elaborate :)
Dec 06 21:41:21 ciaranm	rane: girl scout cookies. they're called that because they're made from girl scout
Dec 06 21:42:00 Halcy0n	ciaranm: thanks, now I want some cookies.
Dec 06 21:42:17 ciaranm	i have cookies. lots of cookies!
Dec 06 21:42:43 Halcy0n	What's up with the QA project and why does it only have 2 members?
Dec 06 21:42:52 Halcy0n	I'd expect atleast Mr_Bones_ to be on that page.
Dec 06 21:42:54 rane	it's dead and buried :)
Dec 06 21:43:00 rane	ciaranm: yummy!
Dec 06 21:43:03 ciaranm	Halcy0n: look at the qa@ alias instead
Dec 06 21:43:17 Halcy0n	ciaranm: alright, so since I added myself to that, I can be considered part of the team? :)
Dec 06 21:43:27 ciaranm	Halcy0n: who knows?
Dec 06 21:43:39 Halcy0n	ciaranm: that's what I'm trying to find out :)  Seems poorly organized.
Dec 06 21:44:01 drobbins	orangejello: yo
Dec 06 21:44:16 SpanKY	ask swegener
Dec 06 21:44:18 SpanKY	he took over
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Dec 06 21:44:50 ciaranm	so it's all swegener's fault?
Dec 06 21:44:57 Halcy0n	swegener: ping
Dec 06 21:45:06 SpanKY	i'm not blaming anyone
Dec 06 21:45:18 SpanKY	i'm merely pointing out that he's the QA lead and if you wish to know about QA you should ask him
Dec 06 21:45:19 SpanKY	stupid
Dec 06 21:45:47 ciaranm	didn't you get the memo? you're not allowed to say "stupid" any more
Dec 06 21:45:59 ciaranm	otherwise some prat will complain to devrel about you
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Dec 06 21:46:21 SpanKY	here's an idea
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Dec 06 21:46:23 SpanKY	shut up stuipd
Dec 06 21:46:37 ciaranm	much better
Dec 06 21:47:05 drobbins	SpanKY: hey
Dec 06 21:47:08 SpanKY	moo
Dec 06 21:47:22 drobbins	google sucks. gimme a dollar.
Dec 06 21:47:33 drobbins	oh wait, I'm off work.
Dec 06 21:47:45 *	SpanKY waves
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Dec 06 21:48:27 drobbins	hiya yous
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Dec 06 21:49:43 orangejello	drobbins: hey there
Dec 06 21:51:23 drobbins	orangejello: hiya
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Dec 06 21:55:19 solar	<Halcy0n> ciaranm: that's what I'm trying to find out :)  Seems poorly organized. <-- it's supposed to be that way.
Dec 06 21:55:38 Halcy0n	solar: ah, sorry.  Didn't realize :)
Dec 06 21:56:06 solar	the people who actually care about QA are the ones who probably care the least about keeping xml docs up2date for the sake of ppl who dont care about qa
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Dec 06 21:56:54 ciaranm	qa is not a product!
Dec 06 21:57:15 drobbins	I'm waiting for QA 2.0
Dec 06 21:57:53 MetalGOD	imo qa team should also try to fix a few maintainer-needed bugs
Dec 06 21:57:55 drobbins	it's not quite as reliable as 1.0, but 3.0 will be out soon
Dec 06 21:57:59 *	`Kumba is waiting for World Domination 3.4
Dec 06 21:57:59 agaffney	nah, it'll be 2.1 before they get all the kinks worked out
Dec 06 21:58:04 solar	probably wont happen internally ever
Dec 06 21:59:01 solar	you want to give qa the power to reject everything that it thinks is crap?
Dec 06 21:59:15 solar	if so say bye bye to nvidia
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Dec 06 21:59:36 Halcy0n	solar: actually, the council decided the QA team could enforce suspending/dealing with people that suck via devrel.
Dec 06 21:59:55 solar	and bye to win32codecs among the other piles of crappy code that exists within our tree
Dec 06 22:01:21 rane	nah, removing is too much, einfo "it's crap, don't blame us if it breaks" will be sufficient :)
Dec 06 22:01:50 drobbins	it's time to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas Special
Dec 06 22:02:31 ciaranm	solar: the problem is, you'd need to explain why it's crappy code
Dec 06 22:02:40 solar	your going to miss the xmass special here
Dec 06 22:02:59 ciaranm	we need a crappycode.mask
Dec 06 22:02:59 drobbins	be back l8r
Dec 06 22:03:14 Halcy0n	Crap, I missed the Victoria's Secret show, didn't I? :)
Dec 06 22:03:16 ciaranm	security.mask, crappycode.mask, testing.mask
Dec 06 22:03:23 morfic	Halcy0n: it's over
Dec 06 22:03:29 Halcy0n	Bah.
Dec 06 22:04:02 solar	ciaranm: vendor is not interested in fixing it sadly. but a quick rundown is that nvidia took shortcuts and decided todo runtime code execution on the diver code to make up for what the hardware lacked
Dec 06 22:04:34 ciaranm	solar: i know why the nvidia code needs to be shot. but you'd need to convince the general populace...
Dec 06 22:04:35 solar	some deal that had worked out with MS
Dec 06 22:04:48 Halcy0n	Unforunately, I need my nvidia drivers.
Dec 06 22:05:08 Halcy0n	Twinview is nice with my two LCDs :)
Dec 06 22:05:09 solar	oh.. the general populace wont understand this for a year or two. uphill battles are no fun
Dec 06 22:05:17 ciaranm	same deal with textrels, for example. *i* happen to know why they're generally (but not always) a bad idea, but if you start disallowing them then you're going to have to come up with a very good explanation for the users
Dec 06 22:06:37 rane	if you remove nvidia-kernel, users will crucify you, doesn't matter what you say
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Dec 06 22:06:58 ciaranm	that's ok. gregkh is going to make it not work soon anyway
Dec 06 22:07:03 solar	yeah as much as I wish I could say they were disallowed I can't as the linker on the x86 arch permits them. upstream knew better when they did the amd64 port and could of allowed them but chose not to.
Dec 06 22:07:32 ciaranm	pfff, there're legit uses for textrels. occasionally...
Dec 06 22:08:35 solar	runtime hacks to gain .02% performance gains.
Dec 06 22:09:10 solar	oddly enough however some of the asm fixes where we expexted slowdowns have show speedups.
Dec 06 22:09:40 ciaranm	some day someone will reinvent the whole linker thing in a way not based around 1970s concepts. and there will be much rejoicing
Dec 06 22:09:49 solar	which is nice from my POV to help upstream get over the psychological barrier of such changes
Dec 06 22:11:05 joem	can anybody recomend the best way to change the date within an exif tag?
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Dec 06 22:16:34 ciaranm	'night kiddies
Dec 06 22:18:48 Ramereth	ciaranm: night brat :-)
Dec 06 22:21:22 robbat2	joem: media-gfx/exiftags
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Dec 06 22:23:52 morfic	Halcy0n: you won't need hacks for twinview though
Dec 06 22:24:13 SpanKY	solar: you could disallow TEXTRELs with 2.0.53
Dec 06 22:24:19 SpanKY	FEATURES=stricter
Dec 06 22:24:31 solar	I know.
Dec 06 22:24:44 solar	oh btw did Betelgeuse talk to you about that feature
Dec 06 22:24:56 SpanKY	mmm for binary packages ?
Dec 06 22:24:57 Halcy0n	SpanKY: we already use that on x86 and club maintainers with a clue bat.
Dec 06 22:25:02 SpanKY	RESTRICT=stricter ?
Dec 06 22:25:29 solar	he was requesting that it not bail till all it's checks have completed vs bailing as soon as it finds a fault
Dec 06 22:25:38 SpanKY	oh, he hadnt mentioned that
Dec 06 22:25:47 SpanKY	i remember needing a RESTRICT for binary-only packages though
Dec 06 22:25:51 solar	SpanKY: can you post a sparc scanelf binary right quick plz
Dec 06 22:26:12 SpanKY	0.1.3 ?
Dec 06 22:26:23 solar	~arch.
Dec 06 22:26:33 SpanKY	sec then, need to emerge it
Dec 06 22:27:02 SpanKY	btw i committed that scanelf/gnu-stack for .o files
Dec 06 22:27:16 solar	well shit give me one of those then
Dec 06 22:27:22 SpanKY	saddddddddddddfffffffff
Dec 06 22:28:36 SpanKY	dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/scanelf-sparc
Dec 06 22:29:19 solar	thanks
Dec 06 22:32:49 Halcy0n	!herd kde
Dec 06 22:32:50 jeeves	Halcy0n: (kde) caleb, carlo, centic, cryos, flameeyes, greg_g, motaboy
Dec 06 22:32:53 Halcy0n	^^ping
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Dec 06 22:43:29 SpanKY	didnt realize that's all it took to make Weeve perk
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Dec 06 22:50:33 nerdboy	he's very perky in person too
Dec 06 22:51:05 nerdboy	kinda like a one of those perky sorority bunnies in her convertible
Dec 06 22:51:25 drobbins	what kind of convertible?
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Dec 06 22:52:55 nerdboy	i seem to remember lots of vw cabriolets
Dec 06 22:53:14 nerdboy	or whatever those convertible rabbits were called...
Dec 06 22:53:28 nerdboy	and perky hairdos
Dec 06 22:53:37 drobbins	I have a perky hairdo at the moment
Dec 06 22:53:44 drobbins	but I'm no bunny
Dec 06 22:53:51 drobbins	and I no longer belong to a sorority
Dec 06 22:54:12 jforman	no longer?
Dec 06 22:54:36 ferringb	perky hairdo?
Dec 06 22:54:59 drobbins	that's right
Dec 06 22:55:43 drobbins	well, I *do* have a perky hairdo
Dec 06 22:56:00 ferringb	err... didn't you have some kinda crazy ass fro?
Dec 06 22:56:44 nerdboy	what's the VHF?
Dec 06 22:56:48 *	ferringb goes looking for the pic
Dec 06 22:57:11 nerdboy	vertical hair factor?
Dec 06 22:57:29 drobbins	I'm growing it back
Dec 06 22:57:30 ferringb	yeah, that's one way to put it :)
Dec 06 22:57:42 drobbins	buckwheat 2.0
Dec 06 22:57:50 ferringb	heh
Dec 06 22:58:19 *	nerdboy let the beard grow back
Dec 06 22:59:57 ferringb	hah
Dec 06 22:59:58 drobbins	sweet
Dec 06 23:00:10 ferringb	classic.  just came across a GWN commenting about 'flame wars being a thing of the past'
Dec 06 23:00:40 ferringb	wow.  daniel robbins (big dude) is scary
Dec 06 23:00:49 ferringb	s:daniel:tony:
Dec 06 23:00:58 *	ferringb gets the "tony robbins hungry" joke now...
Dec 06 23:07:41 orangejello	drobbins: funny, because i'm growing my hair too + beard
Dec 06 23:10:07 Ramereth	growing hair is a natural thing for most humans
Dec 06 23:10:46 orangejello	but keeping it is troublesome in today's society
Dec 06 23:10:52 Ramereth	yup
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Dec 06 23:30:35 rane	:))
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Dec 07 00:05:35 Halcy0n	!herd net-im
Dec 07 00:05:37 jeeves	Halcy0n: (net-im) humpback, rizzo, sekretarz, tester
Dec 07 00:05:41 Halcy0n	^^ping
Dec 07 00:06:06 phreak``	heya Halcy0n :)
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Dec 07 00:24:06 swegener	Halcy0n: pong
Dec 07 00:24:24 Halcy0n	swegener: /query ?
Dec 07 00:24:31 swegener	Halcy0n: sure
Dec 07 00:28:23 beejay|work	!weather giessen
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Dec 07 00:28:51 beejay|work	gibot: you suck.
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Dec 07 00:40:15 phreak``	any gnome guru around ?!
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Dec 07 00:40:19 spyderous	hm.
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Dec 07 01:23:00 BaSS	hi gang
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Dec 07 01:42:54 BaSS	mornin phreak``
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Dec 07 01:48:21 JoseJX	Does anyone have gpg-agent set up for manifest signing?  It accepts the password here and it looks like it's working, but the manifest signing still asks for the key.
Dec 07 01:48:32 JoseJX	Sorry, that's gpg-agent with keychain
Dec 07 01:49:02 Halcy0n	JoseJX: I have it working.
Dec 07 01:49:37 phreak``	JoseJX: here to ...
Dec 07 01:49:47 Halcy0n	JoseJX: do you have "use-agent" in you gpg.conf?
Dec 07 01:49:54 Halcy0n	*your
Dec 07 01:50:07 phreak``	JoseJX: you've to export PORTAGE_GPG_KEY and PORTAGE_GPG_DIR (afaik)
Dec 07 01:50:40 Halcy0n	phreak``: I'm not sure which part he's having a problem with, I think we both thought something else :)
Dec 07 01:50:53 phreak``	heh, yea :)
Dec 07 01:50:54 drobbins	nite
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Dec 07 01:58:05 JoseJX	phreak``: Yeah, signing works fine
Dec 07 01:58:12 JoseJX	phreak``: That's not the problem.
Dec 07 01:58:18 JoseJX	Halcy0n: I'll check, I think I added it
Dec 07 01:59:03 JoseJX	Halcy0n: Ah, yep, that was it. :p
Dec 07 01:59:15 JoseJX	I forgot to do that when I setup this machine.
Dec 07 01:59:16 JoseJX	Thanks
Dec 07 02:00:12 Halcy0n	np, it took me about an hour to figure that out the one day.  I was so pissed :)
Dec 07 02:07:11 spyderous	does it seem odd to anyone else that there isn't some automated tool to remove old ebuilds, but only ones for which you don't break keywording by doing so
Dec 07 02:08:00 axxo	because its a major pita to check
Dec 07 02:08:05 spyderous	exactly.
Dec 07 02:08:14 spyderous	that's why people shouldn't be able to make the easy mistake of screwing it up
Dec 07 02:08:29 axxo	if that new repoman ever comes alife
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Dec 07 02:09:05 axxo	bah class :(, bbl
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Dec 07 02:13:47 nerdboy	night ppl
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Dec 07 02:34:37 Halcy0n	karltk: ping
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Dec 07 02:40:40 Halcy0n	karltk: is drscheme-209 ready to be marked stable?  Seems fine.  Thanks.
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Dec 07 02:53:45 Ticho	hm, any idea what might be wrong if my X crashes randomly when it has to display certain unicode characters
Dec 07 02:53:48 Ticho	?
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Dec 07 03:12:30 az	Ticho: from past experience, might be freetype2 and that specific font ?
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Dec 07 03:13:10 az	i want to remember that there was one or two fonts freetype did not like some time ago
Dec 07 03:13:12 Ticho	az: it seems to happen regardless of fonts
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Dec 07 03:13:48 az	else guess it might be bug in fontconfig/xft or pango/whatever font backend
Dec 07 03:13:52 Ticho	az: terminus in urxvt, and Sans in a GTK app
Dec 07 03:14:24 Ticho	i'm trying vanilla kernel now, instead of grsec-enabled one
Dec 07 03:14:38 az	rebuild X with -ggdb and not stripped, and enable core files, and see if you can pinpoint it better
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Dec 07 03:19:33 dams	gooood morning
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Dec 07 03:22:30 strerror_work	moin moin
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Dec 07 03:25:09 tigger^	ey ben
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Dec 07 03:31:30 Flameeyes	2.18 which timezone?
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Dec 07 03:37:57 tigger^	Flameeyes: 2.18 is the version silly :P
Dec 07 03:38:12 tigger^	if it was a time it'd be 2:18
Dec 07 03:38:13 Flameeyes	oh... so what's up with bugzilla being unavailable? :P
Dec 07 03:38:20 tigger^	no idea
Dec 07 03:38:30 Ticho	read -dev/-core
Dec 07 03:38:31 Ticho	:>
Dec 07 03:38:39 Flameeyes	Ticho, read that already
Dec 07 03:38:46 tigger^	Ticho: -core doesn't explain why it wouldn't be available now
Dec 07 03:38:49 tigger^	Ticho: read irc :P
Dec 07 03:39:29 Ticho	Flameeyes: hm, why am i browsinh it now?
Dec 07 03:39:32 Ticho	browsing
Dec 07 03:39:43 Flameeyes	http or https interface?
Dec 07 03:39:47 tigger^	Ticho: because you're bored? ;)
Dec 07 03:39:54 Ticho	Flameeyes: https, of course
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Dec 07 03:40:06 Flameeyes	works now, good ^^; it wasn't working before i joined here
Dec 07 03:40:22 Ticho	then you joining here fixed it :>
Dec 07 03:40:46 Ticho	could you please join few more times, so my font problems will get fixed?
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Dec 07 03:45:32 *	amir_ bows
Dec 07 03:45:36 amir_	morning everybody
Dec 07 03:48:50 UberLord	ditto :)
Dec 07 03:51:49 phreak``	bah, i should have cleaned locales.build ;( (now the sparc is building all languages)
Dec 07 03:51:58 phreak``	morning amir_, Roy
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Dec 07 03:56:03 UberLord	what's our policy on nabbing maintainer needed bugs? general free for all?
Dec 07 03:56:28 phreak``	guess so ..
Dec 07 03:58:36 Flameeyes	UberLord, if it's under some kind of herd, probably a note to them would be useful.. and if you take over the package, remember to update metadata ;)
Dec 07 03:58:52 *	UberLord thinks about cleaning up net-misc/dhcp a bit
Dec 07 03:59:14 *	UberLord notes he's already tinkered with the ebuild and a patch
Dec 07 03:59:18 UberLord	sod it
Dec 07 04:02:42 UberLord	weeee, perl segfaults
Dec 07 04:03:08 Flameeyes	UberLord, that's why i always say perl--
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Dec 07 04:03:19 UberLord	segfaults on emerge :/
Dec 07 04:03:38 UberLord	kinda odd as the last package build without issue
Dec 07 04:04:06 Flameeyes	UberLord, segfaults on emerge of what?
Dec 07 04:04:29 UberLord	perl
Dec 07 04:04:48 spyderous	that's the fstack-protector problem i bet
Dec 07 04:04:49 Flameeyes	oh so it does not b0rk your system?
Dec 07 04:05:11 spyderous	there's been an open bug for ages
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Dec 07 04:05:40 UberLord	aha
Dec 07 04:06:05 UberLord	but why does the previous -r work? and yes, it's a hardened system so it probably does use -fstack-protector
Dec 07 04:06:17 Flameeyes	maybe was filtered out
Dec 07 04:07:13 ReJ	GenBot: rank perl
Dec 07 04:07:14 GenBot	perl has -79 points of karma (rank 3880).
Dec 07 04:10:07 phreak``	anyone knows the proper switch to turn of cvs-directory recursion while running up/co ?
Dec 07 04:10:46 Flameeyes	should be -N, but let me take a look
Dec 07 04:11:41 phreak``	Flameeyes: -l
Dec 07 04:11:44 phreak``	thanks ;)
Dec 07 04:11:55 Flameeyes	ops -N is for svn probably then ^^;
Dec 07 04:16:10 phreak``	hrm spyderous, got a sec ?!
Dec 07 04:17:03 phreak``	bah, silly fonts.eclass ...
Dec 07 04:18:56 phreak``	s/fonts/font/
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Dec 07 04:26:28 phreak``	guess I need to go yelling like Flameeyes .. bugs.g.o taking forever :P
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Dec 07 04:29:02 Flameeyes	so it'snot just me? :)
Dec 07 04:29:24 spyderous	phreak``: i don't really know that eclass, that's foser's.
Dec 07 04:29:52 phreak``	yeah, figured that out :)
Dec 07 04:30:22 phreak``	nah, its just creating a blocker (x11-modular merged, that one depends upon virtual/x11)
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Dec 07 04:55:05 brix	UberLord: SYN
Dec 07 04:56:01 UberLord	brix: ACK
Dec 07 04:56:50 brix	UberLord: the correct reply would be SYN ACK, but ok ;)
Dec 07 04:57:10 *	amne handshakes brix 
Dec 07 04:57:12 brix	UberLord: I think I've found a minor issue with current baselayout
Dec 07 04:57:18 brix	amne: three-way?
Dec 07 04:57:32 *	UberLord goes into a four-way handshake
Dec 07 04:57:33 amne	brix: no, in a smartypants way ;-)
Dec 07 04:57:41 UberLord	brix: so what's the issue
Dec 07 04:57:42 kloeri	hi all
Dec 07 04:57:42 UberLord	?
Dec 07 04:57:44 brix	UberLord: if I do not background wpa_supplicant, I get a loop condition
Dec 07 04:57:48 brix	moin kloeri
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Dec 07 04:58:13 UberLord	?
Dec 07 04:58:16 amne	hi kloeri as well
Dec 07 04:58:17 kloeri	amne: could you bump tsunam's forums account to dev status please?
Dec 07 04:58:21 brix	UberLord: wpa_cli gets started, calls wpa_cli.action upon connection
Dec 07 04:58:23 amne	kloeri: sure
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Dec 07 04:58:31 UberLord	brix: yes ....
Dec 07 04:58:34 brix	UberLord: which in turn tries to start net.eth1 again
Dec 07 04:58:38 UberLord	correct
Dec 07 04:58:45 UberLord	oh
Dec 07 04:58:48 *	UberLord checks
Dec 07 04:58:49 brix	UberLord: but it is not done starting net.eth1 in the first placr
Dec 07 04:58:53 brix	-r+e
Dec 07 04:59:31 amne	kloeri: tsunam: http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=45645 <- is that the one?
Dec 07 04:59:55 UberLord	brix: shouldn't matter as net.eth1 is marked "inactive" before we launch wpa_cli
Dec 07 05:00:16 brix	well, it doesn't work here if I don't background it
Dec 07 05:00:17 UberLord	alas without a working madwifi/wpa_supplicant there's nothing I can do to test/fix :/
Dec 07 05:00:36 brix	UberLord: why can't you use the madwifi snapshot which did work?
Dec 07 05:00:40 UberLord	backgrounding by having a -1 timeout you mean
Dec 07 05:00:48 kloeri	amne: yup
Dec 07 05:00:59 brix	UberLord: correct
Dec 07 05:01:01 UberLord	brix: because no wpa_supplicant does not work with my working madwifi-snapshot
Dec 07 05:01:15 UberLord	ie no wpa_supplicant-0.4.x works with it
Dec 07 05:01:19 brix	UberLord: that can't be - you used to have it working?
Dec 07 05:01:25 UberLord	I know
Dec 07 05:01:26 brix	UberLord: how about 0.4.5?
Dec 07 05:01:31 UberLord	but it doesn't work
Dec 07 05:01:37 UberLord	I'll check every 0.4.x tonight
Dec 07 05:01:45 brix	ok
Dec 07 05:02:59 amne	kloeri: tsunam: formums account upgraded
Dec 07 05:04:16 kloeri	thanks amne
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Dec 07 05:16:03 strerror_work	jaervosz: I'm not fully understanding your comment (6) in bug #111373 - if you get a second please explain it to me in /msg
Dec 07 05:16:06 GenBot	strerror_work: Bug 111373; "=net-analyzer/arpwatch-2.1.11-r1 misses -u option"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {REOPENED}; Wolfram Schlich->Netmon Herd; http://bugs.gentoo.org/111373
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Dec 07 07:10:03 Flameeyes	!meta baselayout
Dec 07 07:10:06 jeeves	Flameeyes: Package: sys-apps/baselayout  Herd: base-system Maintainer: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Dec 07 07:10:30 UberLord	heh - would would have thought that vapier and myself wouldn't be listed ;)
Dec 07 07:10:55 Flameeyes	UberLord, can you take a look to bug 114738 when you have time? :)
Dec 07 07:10:59 GenBot	Flameeyes: Bug 114738; "KDE doesn't start out of KDM, if /tmp/.ICE-unix isn't owned by root and chmod'ed to 1777."; [Gentoo Linux :: KDE]; {REOPENED}; docbrown->Gentoo KDE team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114738
Dec 07 07:11:12 Flameeyes	i remember i seen some comments about a similar issue in the past
Dec 07 07:11:21 Flameeyes	but at least on the version i'm using it works fine
Dec 07 07:12:12 beejay|work	I am the walrus.
Dec 07 07:13:10 geoman	beejay|work: can you be the seal instead so we can club you?
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Dec 07 07:14:12 UberLord	Flameeyes: bootmisc init script is the one for that - and the one I have cleans /tmp correctly and ensures that /tmp/.{ICE,X11}-unix are created with correct perms
Dec 07 07:14:26 Flameeyes	UberLord, is that latest stable?
Dec 07 07:14:33 Flameeyes	the user seems to be using x86 stable tree
Dec 07 07:14:34 UberLord	nope, latest latest
Dec 07 07:14:42 Flameeyes	same for me (latest latest)
Dec 07 07:14:56 Flameeyes	foresight of a new stable version?
Dec 07 07:15:19 UberLord	well mark it INVALID/TEST-REQUEST should be fixored in baselayout-1.12.0_pre11-r3
Dec 07 07:15:36 UberLord	Flameeyes: bug vapier about stable baselayouts :P
Dec 07 07:16:09 Flameeyes	i'll wait for his reply then (i've cced base-system)
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Dec 07 07:20:26 kloeri	marienz: pong
Dec 07 07:22:10 amir_	!meta delegated
Dec 07 07:22:11 jeeves	amir_: there is no metadata info to satisfy what you want to know about delegated. Try reading the ChangeLog
Dec 07 07:22:26 *	Flameeyes hopes next versions of koffice will use poppler
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Dec 07 07:22:31 Flameeyes	at least will be just one package to rebuild
Dec 07 07:22:50 *	amir_ ohs
Dec 07 07:22:54 az	UberLord / Flameeyes: 1.11 seems to do the correct thing as well if i look at its bootmisc
Dec 07 07:22:59 amir_	we still have no package for delegate?
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Dec 07 07:23:20 *	amir_ will create one if that's the case
Dec 07 07:23:44 Flameeyes	az, latest stable?
Dec 07 07:23:53 *	amir_ did not notice since his own overlay contains one
Dec 07 07:24:14 az	Flameeyes: yeah
Dec 07 07:24:23 az	basically same as 1.12.x 's bootmisc
Dec 07 07:24:47 az	is the same if i go by diff
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Dec 07 07:43:35 fmccor	!seen Halcy0n
Dec 07 07:43:37 GenBot	Halcy0n was last seen 5 hours, 2 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying 'karltk: is drscheme-209 ready to be marked stable?  Seems fine.  Thanks.' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 07 07:44:06 glbt	fmccor, Halcy0n is right here!
Dec 07 07:44:33 brix	anybody know why Alt+7 has a special meaning in an xterm?
Dec 07 07:46:45 KingTaco	what does it do?
Dec 07 07:46:50 ka0ttic	moin
Dec 07 07:47:08 Flameeyes	hi ka0ttic
Dec 07 07:49:05 brix	ka0ttic: it copies the text currently on the line - and inserts it
Dec 07 07:49:14 brix	ka0ttic: doesn't do that in console mode
Dec 07 07:49:22 ka0ttic	brix: wrong guy
Dec 07 07:49:31 KingTaco	brix, odd
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Dec 07 07:49:52 KingTaco	brix, on my box Alt-7 == '-'
Dec 07 07:50:04 neysx	brix: on my xterm, it simply types a middle dot
Dec 07 07:50:17 brix	ka0ttic: sorry :)
Dec 07 07:50:27 brix	KingTaco, neysx: odd
Dec 07 07:50:40 fmccor	!seen mkennedy
Dec 07 07:50:42 GenBot	mkennedy was last seen 15 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 15 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying 'i'll check that out no...' in #gentoo-dev.
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Dec 07 07:50:50 KingTaco	brix, it's actually shorter than '-'
Dec 07 07:51:03 KingTaco	fmccor, read your email
Dec 07 07:51:03 Flameeyes	ka0ttic, seen the bug for libdaemon? ^^
Dec 07 07:51:10 brix	KingTaco: huh?
Dec 07 07:51:17 ka0ttic	Flameeyes: yes just been busy
Dec 07 07:51:20 brix	oh
Dec 07 07:51:24 KingTaco	brix the alt 7
Dec 07 07:51:24 ka0ttic	Flameeyes: have lots of pending bugs unfortunately
Dec 07 07:51:30 brix	KingTaco: any idea how to disable it?
Dec 07 07:51:44 KingTaco	brix, seemant might
Dec 07 07:51:56 KingTaco	I didn't even know I had it until now
Dec 07 07:51:58 brix	seemant: well, do you?
Dec 07 07:53:03 amir_	!seen dragonheart
Dec 07 07:53:05 GenBot	dragonheart was last seen 18 hours, 18 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying '* dragonheart runs off cause the hormones are out of control here' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 07 07:53:05 glbt	amir_, dragonheart is right here!
Dec 07 07:53:22 amir_	!last dragonheart
Dec 07 07:53:59 Flameeyes	ka0ttic, sure, no hurry anyway :)
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Dec 07 07:55:13 ka0ttic	Flameeyes: oh and to respond to the poke on that xine bashcomp bug, I have a sleu of bashcomp bugs, so I will probably fix them all at once
Dec 07 07:55:24 Flameeyes	ka0ttic, ok perfect :)
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Dec 07 07:58:53 seemant	brix: not a clue
Dec 07 07:58:55 seemant	didn't even know it did
Dec 07 07:59:11 seemant	±²³´µ¶·¸¹°
Dec 07 07:59:17 seemant	cool beans
Dec 07 07:59:54 seemant	those are alt+[1..9]
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Dec 07 08:00:56 seemant	brix: what does it do for you exactly again?
Dec 07 08:01:25 brix	seemant: it copies whatever is on the line
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Dec 07 08:03:21 seemant	brix: and pastes it where?
Dec 07 08:03:33 brix	where the curser is located
Dec 07 08:03:34 seemant	brix: so if you type: brixAlt7 you get: brixbrix?
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Dec 07 08:03:39 brix	[#gentoo-dev]
Dec 07 08:03:44 brix	^ rather
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Dec 07 08:04:26 brix	if I hit it multiple times it copies from the previous line and so on
Dec 07 08:07:30 seemant	weird
Dec 07 08:08:01 brix	seemant: I have XTerm*eightBitInput: false
Dec 07 08:08:02 brix	XTerm*eightBitControl: false
Dec 07 08:08:18 brix	seemant: all other alt+X keys works
Dec 07 08:08:22 brix	just not alt+7
Dec 07 08:09:43 seemant	strange
Dec 07 08:09:57 seemant	brix: file me a bug and I'll have thomas look at it
Dec 07 08:10:21 brix	seemant: at bgo?
Dec 07 08:10:32 seemant	yep
Dec 07 08:10:42 brix	will do - thanks
Dec 07 08:10:56 seemant	least I can do
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Dec 07 08:14:11 brix	seemant: seems bug #104818 is about this issue
Dec 07 08:14:19 GenBot	brix: Bug 104818; "Alt-7 doesn't work in xterm-200-r3+"; [Gentoo Linux :: Applications]; {NEW};  ->Seemant Kulleen; http://bugs.gentoo.org/104818
Dec 07 08:15:26 brix	seemant: should be fixed in 206 according to thomas?
Dec 07 08:16:20 seemant	oh holy shit, 207 is out??
Dec 07 08:16:23 seemant	I keep missing this stuff
Dec 07 08:16:27 seemant	brix: stand by
Dec 07 08:22:30 tigger^	hmm
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Dec 07 08:22:43 tigger^	why don't I have rdev when I have util-linux installed?
Dec 07 08:22:45 tigger^	on amd64
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Dec 07 08:24:38 beejay|w1rk	rdev?
Dec 07 08:24:54 beejay|w1rk	you mean ye olde method to change initial kernel-config?
Dec 07 08:25:05 beejay|w1rk	before external bootloaders existed?
Dec 07 08:25:29 tigger^	dunno what it is
Dec 07 08:25:34 tigger^	but make install on linux 2.6 wants it
Dec 07 08:25:36 tigger^	and it ain't there
Dec 07 08:25:51 beejay|w1rk	o_O
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Dec 07 08:29:11 kerframil_	tigger^: hey, I had that fixed in a newer debianutils!
Dec 07 08:29:21 kerframil_	tigger^: which version are you using?
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Dec 07 08:30:54 DerCorny	!herd python
Dec 07 08:30:56 jeeves	DerCorny: (python) carlo, fserb, g2boojum, kloeri, kutsuya, liquidx, lordvan, lucass, marienz, pythonhead
Dec 07 08:31:01 DerCorny	!herd apache
Dec 07 08:31:02 jeeves	DerCorny: (apache) chtekk, hollow, kloeri, mattm, robbat2, stuart, trapni, urilith, vericgar, zul
Dec 07 08:31:21 DerCorny	ping
Dec 07 08:31:22 Stuart	DerCorny: #gentoo-apache is where you want to be
Dec 07 08:31:23 marienz	DerCorny: pong
Dec 07 08:31:47 DerCorny	k, will visit #-apache
Dec 07 08:32:56 tigger^	2.14.1-r1
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Dec 07 08:37:23 kerframil	tigger^: hmm, odd - it should be fixed in that version
Dec 07 08:37:26 *	kerframil checks again
Dec 07 08:38:03 kerframil	tigger^: oh nvm, I'm confusing it with another fix
Dec 07 08:38:05 *	kerframil checks further
Dec 07 08:39:44 kerframil	tigger^: odd, it should be fixed. anyway, here's the bug: bug 92748
Dec 07 08:39:46 GenBot	kerframil: Bug 92748; "[debianutils] mkboot script unwisely depends upon [util-linux] rdev utility"; [Gentoo Linux :: Core system]; {RESOLVED:UPSTREAM}; Kerin Millar->Gentoo's Team for Core System packages; http://bugs.gentoo.org/92748
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Dec 07 08:54:05 tigger^	kerframil: the fix is in
Dec 07 08:54:13 tigger^	kerframil: but it fails, because I'm on the livecd
Dec 07 08:54:24 tigger^	kerframil: and /proc/cmdline doesn't handle the chroot stuff
Dec 07 08:54:32 kerframil	tigger^: heh, I actually mentioned that too
Dec 07 08:54:36 tigger^	yeah I saw
Dec 07 08:54:39 kerframil	but by the time I thought about it, the fix had been committed
Dec 07 08:54:43 *	kerframil groans
Dec 07 08:55:48 tigger^	kerframil: don't see how that'd help
Dec 07 08:55:54 tigger^	you're fix I mean
Dec 07 08:55:57 tigger^	your
Dec 07 08:56:32 kerframil	on a LiveCD? no, it wouldn't
Dec 07 08:56:33 jforman	roberta
Dec 07 08:56:38 tigger^	ey jeffers
Dec 07 08:56:46 tigger^	kerframil: shame
Dec 07 08:56:56 tigger^	kerframil: kinda stuck on the livecd until I can install a kernel ;)
Dec 07 08:57:00 kerframil	it wants to know the intended root device - you'd have to read it from fstab instead and it starts to get messy
Dec 07 08:57:13 kerframil	well, why do you need "make install" right now? it's not that hard to do it manually ;)
Dec 07 08:57:28 tigger^	kerframil: it not working is a bug :)
Dec 07 08:57:55 kerframil	I know
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Dec 07 08:58:25 kerframil	the only thing I can think of is that to defer to fstab or to put in some intelligent method of determining whether one is currently running in the context of "live" media
Dec 07 08:58:35 kerframil	something along those lines
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Dec 07 08:59:15 dams	back
Dec 07 08:59:24 dams	can anyone check the spelling ?
Dec 07 08:59:25 dams	http://damz.net/gentoo_forums_stats/
Dec 07 08:59:37 tigger^	dams: dams is spelt "dams", not "damz"
Dec 07 08:59:38 tigger^	kthx
Dec 07 08:59:46 brix	heh
Dec 07 08:59:56 dams	lol
Dec 07 09:00:16 dams	tigger^: was already taken you f00ll !!111!!!
Dec 07 09:00:35 tigger^	too slow then aren't ya ;P
Dec 07 09:00:50 dams	well
Dec 07 09:00:51 vapier	looks like someone is too kool for school
Dec 07 09:00:52 dams	yes :(
Dec 07 09:03:57 DerCorny	MetalGOD: ping
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Dec 07 09:14:47 UberLord	which infra monkey handles cvs?
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Dec 07 09:15:01 ian|static	UberLord: robbat2
Dec 07 09:15:06 UberLord	ian|static: ta
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Dec 07 09:16:12 kingtaco|work	UberLord, pylon
Dec 07 09:16:43 UberLord	wow, conflicting - pylon sounds more likely though
Dec 07 09:16:55 kingtaco|work	I think pylon has some minions
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Dec 07 09:17:56 UberLord	and robbat2|sleep is sleeping
Dec 07 09:18:39 kingtaco|work	heh
Dec 07 09:18:41 UberLord	only a minor matter - I comitted a new file to cvs with the +x bit set - which isn't needed
Dec 07 09:18:42 kingtaco|work	try ramereth
Dec 07 09:18:49 UberLord	Ramereth: PING!
Dec 07 09:19:07 kingtaco|work	yeah, he should be able to fix it
Dec 07 09:20:13 vapier	also have him clear all the +x bits on licenses/ files
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Dec 07 09:23:15 tigger^	heh
Dec 07 09:23:22 tigger^	./GPL-2
Dec 07 09:23:24 tigger^	to properly infect your system
Dec 07 09:24:46 Method	mmm viral licensing
Dec 07 09:25:21 DerCorny	lol
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Dec 07 09:28:47 UberLord	I know it's silly, but we shouldn't really set +x on any files in portage
Dec 07 09:28:52 UberLord	maybe a cvs rule?
Dec 07 09:30:46 vapier	this has been covered before
Dec 07 09:30:49 vapier	a billion times
Dec 07 09:31:13 tigger^	liar!
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Dec 07 09:53:13 UberLord	it's been covered a billion times before! excellent news!
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Dec 07 10:40:29 r3pek	!herd perl
Dec 07 10:40:29 jeeves	r3pek: (perl) beu, chriswhite, mcummings, superlag
Dec 07 10:40:35 r3pek	^^ ping
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Dec 07 10:44:21 r3pek	SuperLag: there?
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Dec 07 10:48:30 araujo	Hello Gentoo!
Dec 07 10:48:55 r3pek	hello araujo
Dec 07 10:48:57 r3pek	:D
Dec 07 10:49:08 DerCorny	greetings
Dec 07 10:50:07 araujo	Hello r3pek DerCorny :-)
Dec 07 10:50:09 araujo	What's up?
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Dec 07 10:54:06 DerCorny	not much - usual stuff
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Dec 07 11:13:52 liquidx	marienz: ping
Dec 07 11:14:47 *	Flameeyes sees liquidx
Dec 07 11:14:51 marienz	liquidx: pong
Dec 07 11:15:01 *	Flameeyes let him note bug #102353 and #102408
Dec 07 11:15:03 GenBot	Flameeyes: Bug 102353; "media-libs/libgphoto2: ebuild cleanup and g/fbsd compatibility"; [Gentoo BSD :: Core System]; {NEW}; Diego Petten->Alastair Tse; http://bugs.gentoo.org/102353
Dec 07 11:15:29 *	marienz is glad the flames don't hinder the seeing :)
Dec 07 11:15:41 *	marienz hopes hinder is an english word
Dec 07 11:15:42 liquidx	marienz: hey, i just wanted to know why pytz needs to be blocked in matplotlib?
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Dec 07 11:16:15 liquidx	Flameeyes: ic .. hang on
Dec 07 11:16:21 Flameeyes	liquidx, thanks dear :)
Dec 07 11:16:26 marienz	liquidx: because matplotlib installs its own copy of pytz if it doesn't find pytz when you install it, and I wanted to avoid various fun collision-protect failures or the two unmerging each others files.
Dec 07 11:16:45 marienz	liquidx: I was working on a version bump that would depend on pytz instead of blocking it, but got stuck on wx issues.
Dec 07 11:16:59 liquidx	Flameeyes: ok .. so its basic cleanup of the ebuild then :)
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Dec 07 11:17:29 Flameeyes	liquidx, the first one yes
Dec 07 11:17:55 marienz	liquidx: and now that you're here and everyone is harassing (sp?) you with bugs: thoughts on bug 96389?
Dec 07 11:17:58 GenBot	'harassing' seems to be the correct spelling.
Dec 07 11:18:00 liquidx	marienz: ok .. i was thinking of doing the bump, so i just thought i'd have a look. you want me to do it, or you've got it sorted at your end?
Dec 07 11:18:03 *	marienz hugs GenBot 
Dec 07 11:18:04 *	GenBot feels special!
Dec 07 11:18:13 DerCorny	"special" hahaha
Dec 07 11:18:13 GenBot	marienz: Bug 96389; "distutils.eclass should allow PYTHON_MODNAME to contain multiple packages"; [Gentoo Linux :: Eclasses and Profiles]; {NEW}; Marien Zwart->Python Gentoo Team; http://bugs.gentoo.org/96389
Dec 07 11:18:24 liquidx	oh, i'm in the wrong channel, this is #gentoo-botlove
Dec 07 11:18:27 liquidx	;)
Dec 07 11:18:27 marienz	liquidx: I don't have it sorted yet, unless I drop the wx dependency for now.
Dec 07 11:18:56 liquidx	marienz: hrmm, i hate wxwindows ..
Dec 07 11:19:04 marienz	liquidx: I hate wx*, and it hates me back
Dec 07 11:19:21 liquidx	marienz: don't add it for now, its not critical (imo)
Dec 07 11:19:33 marienz	liquidx: I sent a mail about it to pythonhead but missed each other on irc so far.
Dec 07 11:20:16 liquidx	marienz: btw, fine by me on the PYTHON_MODNAME
Dec 07 11:20:38 marienz	liquidx: I'm killing off the autodetection matplotlib's setup.py did, so this might remove wx support for a few extremely lucky people with the right version of wx installed, but too bad.
Dec 07 11:20:39 liquidx	marienz: ok, yeah, its sometimes easier to fire off an email, i don't go on irc often :)
Dec 07 11:21:06 liquidx	marienz: as long as it is not in the DEPENDS, it shouldn't be autodetected
Dec 07 11:21:25 marienz	liquidx: it's autodected if it's installed, no matter if it's in DEPEND or not, currently.
Dec 07 11:21:54 marienz	liquidx: it doesn't usually work though (even if it compiles, having the wrong version(s) of wxpython installed makes it segfault all over the place)
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Dec 07 11:22:16 liquidx	marienz: its still not good form, the DEPENDS bit should be definitive on what this package uses. its slightly lucky that we can get away with that in python
Dec 07 11:22:27 marienz	that's what I'm fixing
Dec 07 11:22:41 liquidx	marienz: if its too much hassle, then just remove the autodetect. do you want me to do it? :)
Dec 07 11:23:01 marienz	liquidx: no, that's exactly what I'm doing: removing the autodetect.
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Dec 07 11:23:40 marienz	liquidx: this means I'm forcing wx support to "off" for the 0.84 bump, while the current ebuild might occasionally build wx support if you have it installed and you're extremely lucky.
Dec 07 11:23:42 liquidx	marienz: ok thats great then :)
Dec 07 11:23:55 marienz	(or unlucky perhaps :)
Dec 07 11:24:12 liquidx	marienz: (in some sense that is fixing the bug) .. btw, there's a typo with installing the examples, it says insinfo rather than insinto
Dec 07 11:24:27 marienz	let me fix that while I'm at it then
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Dec 07 11:26:08 marienz	need a revbump for the examples fix or can I let that slide?
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Dec 07 11:31:00 liquidx	marienz: no need for rev bump. just fix it for all the versions
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Dec 07 11:41:52 reb	heh:>
Dec 07 11:44:35 UberLord	!meta eselect
Dec 07 11:44:38 jeeves	UberLord: Package: app-admin/eselect  Herd: no-herd Maintainer: [e-mail]
Dec 07 11:44:44 latexer	morning all.
Dec 07 11:44:59 UberLord	nice metadata - I need to shoot someone
Dec 07 11:45:19 genone	why that?
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Dec 07 11:46:24 UberLord	eselect opengl set xorg-x11 -> infinite loop by the looks of it as it's been at 100% cpu for 10 mins or so
Dec 07 11:46:53 axxo	its bash
Dec 07 11:46:58 axxo	ps auxf, what it doeing?
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Dec 07 11:48:49 UberLord	hanging around in env update by the looks of it
Dec 07 11:49:00 dostrow_work	morning latexer
Dec 07 11:49:50 latexer	dostrow_work: yo. how goes?
Dec 07 11:50:00 steev	woot woot, love teh computer illeterate
Dec 07 11:50:08 steev	and i love how i can't spell.
Dec 07 11:50:35 axxo	hmm vim merge just dies after the message translations
Dec 07 11:50:38 dostrow_work	latexer: it goes, it goes
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Dec 07 11:51:17 *	araujo poetic
Dec 07 11:53:55 axxo	ciaranm: vim failes for me with -j3
Dec 07 11:54:01 axxo	ciaranm: 7
Dec 07 11:54:05 ciaranm	axxo: i know
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Dec 07 11:54:16 axxo	ok :)
Dec 07 11:54:30 ciaranm	there's a bug open. i'm not going to rush to fix it because upstream are still arsing around with the makefiles
Dec 07 11:54:44 axxo	-j1 ?
Dec 07 11:54:48 ciaranm	will work
Dec 07 11:54:49 marienz	liquidx: can I just check in that distutils.eclass modification or should I run it by other people first?
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Dec 07 11:55:03 ciaranm	unless you get sandbox violations, in which case get yourself a newer vim-doc.eclass and tell me whether it still happens
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Dec 07 11:55:33 liquidx	marienz: just check it in, the change is very minor and i don't think it'll break anything with it
Dec 07 11:55:38 axxo	it works with -j1, don't think its sandbox, could ben since it just dies, without a portage message
Dec 07 11:55:47 ciaranm	sandbox is a separate bug
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Dec 07 11:56:34 MetalGOD	liquidx, i marked pilot-link -r1 stable on amd64 to fix -fPIC bug for us i hope you don't mind ;)
Dec 07 11:57:16 marienz	liquidx: ty, committed
Dec 07 11:57:23 liquidx	sweet
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Dec 07 12:06:00 UberLord	lol - the issue was a core dump in /etc/env.d
Dec 07 12:06:30 Flameeyes	gh :P
Dec 07 12:07:50 kingtaco|work	UberLord, rofl
Dec 07 12:08:41 Flameeyes	nobody is tinkering with cups to let it use poppler instead of xpdf, eh? :P
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Dec 07 12:43:42 ciaranm	hrm. i need something similar to wget that understands http redirects in such a way that it ends up with a sane filename
Dec 07 12:44:00 ciaranm	i have a bunch of URLs like http://www.vim.org/scripts/download_script.php?src_id=3157 , which redirect to blah.vim
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Dec 07 12:45:45 lisa	curl?
Dec 07 12:47:12 idl	ciaranm: it's not a redirect, look at the headers the server returns -> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=olive.vim
Dec 07 12:47:32 ciaranm	ugh
Dec 07 12:47:42 lisa	lousy content-disposition header
Dec 07 12:47:50 ciaranm	so wget with headers and then sed and rename, i guess...
Dec 07 12:48:05 idl	pita
Dec 07 12:48:08 ciaranm	unless curl -O works
Dec 07 12:48:32 ciaranm	nnnnope!
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Dec 07 12:49:07 kito	can't use -o ?
Dec 07 12:49:38 kito	nm, it extracts it from the url
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Dec 07 12:50:17 axxo	there are patches for wget floating around
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Dec 07 12:51:39 lisa	wget -S http://www.vim.org/... &>/tmp/vim.org.headers ; eval `grep Content-Disposition /tmp/vim.org.headers | cut -d ' ' -f 5` ; echo $filename
Dec 07 12:52:09 ciaranm	'sok, it's scripted so i can do a bit better than that
Dec 07 12:52:15 lisa	then you can mv "download_script.php?src_id=3157" $filename
Dec 07 12:52:17 lisa	kk
Dec 07 12:52:26 ciaranm	no need to wget twice, it's slow enough as it is
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Dec 07 12:52:35 lisa	don't need to wget twice
Dec 07 12:52:42 lisa	just save the -S output from the first one
Dec 07 12:53:36 lisa	specify -O to make the eventual mv a little nicer... doesnt sound like a fun script though
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Dec 07 12:57:07 spyderous	Halcy0n: that latest gcc-4.1 snapshot builds for you?
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Dec 07 13:06:13 rl03	Flameeyes: ping
Dec 07 13:06:23 Flameeyes	pong
Dec 07 13:06:34 rl03	Flameeyes: come join us in -web
Dec 07 13:06:58 DerCorny	nooo! it's trick!
Dec 07 13:07:07 DerCorny	too late
Dec 07 13:07:11 thunder`	Flameeyes: you are d00med! :>
Dec 07 13:07:15 DerCorny	let's look for a new Flameeyes
Dec 07 13:07:15 rl03	DerCorny: quiet
Dec 07 13:07:21 rl03	it's our sekrit ritual
Dec 07 13:07:22 Flameeyes	thunder`, go commit that profile, damn you! :P
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Dec 07 13:07:35 thunder`	Flameeyes: i'm @work ;]
Dec 07 13:07:51 thunder`	trying to play with messed large bgp network ;]
Dec 07 13:08:03 Flameeyes	thunder`, yeah yeah, the usual excuse
Dec 07 13:08:21 thunder`	Flameeyes: yeah .. i'm trying to configure firewall system
Dec 07 13:08:56 thunder`	i have 8 hops in trace and (5 firewalls) :>
Dec 07 13:09:57 thunder`	i was thinking about share zones in shorewall
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Dec 07 13:35:31 LabMonkey	spyderous: ping
Dec 07 13:35:58 spyderous	LabMonkey: pong
Dec 07 13:36:27 spyderous	useful realname setting
Dec 07 13:37:02 LabMonkey	spyderous: heh, like that do ya? hehe
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Dec 07 13:38:28 LabMonkey	spyderous: just saw your email on -dev about porting to modular X... is bacula in that list?  I only ask because I'm doing some rework on the bacula ebuild in a few places and I was hoping to avoid mutual changes clobbering each other.
Dec 07 13:38:28 spyderous	LabMonkey: did you have something to say..?
Dec 07 13:38:31 spyderous	there we go.
Dec 07 13:38:51 spyderous	 $ cat /var/lib/portage/world  | sort | grep bac
Dec 07 13:38:51 spyderous	app-pda/jpilot-backup
Dec 07 13:39:03 spyderous	probably not, unless something depends on it
Dec 07 13:39:08 LabMonkey	spyderous: roger that, thanks
Dec 07 13:39:34 LabMonkey	honestly, I don't even know if it's even relevant to bacula
Dec 07 13:39:49 spyderous	if xorg-x11 or virtual/x11 aren't in deps, it's not
Dec 07 13:40:06 LabMonkey	virtual/x11 is use-controlled, yeah
Dec 07 13:40:15 spyderous	then it is
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Dec 07 13:40:54 LabMonkey	k, then I'll get with you about it when I'm done with the rest of the changes and maybe you can help me get it modular-X-compliant :)
Dec 07 13:41:04 spyderous	just read the guide
Dec 07 13:41:09 LabMonkey	or that
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Dec 07 13:41:22 spyderous	http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/ -- porting
Dec 07 13:41:46 LabMonkey	of course, there's this sill "day job" thing that keeps getting in the way
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Dec 07 13:43:01 LabMonkey	spyderous: ahh, thanks again! I'll have a look at it later this week sometime
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Dec 07 13:59:54 dragonheart	amir: fine with me. thankyou even
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Dec 07 14:03:00 Flameeyes	spyderous, be careful with vlc, when i changed xine-lib/xine-ui, i had to back off from vlc because it linked different libraries depending on wxwindows/xskins/no interfaces
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Dec 07 14:08:54 DerCorny	atm vlc is borked because of the wxwidgets unicode fsck
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Dec 07 14:09:58 Flameeyes	DerCorny, i know i'm trying to get a hold of that, the patch posted on the bug isn't inspiring me too much...
Dec 07 14:11:46 DerCorny	yeah sorry, didn't want to rant about you, only about wxwindows because this isn't the first time and surely not the last time that one has problems because of unicode issues
Dec 07 14:11:50 Halcy0n	spyderous: yea, what error you getting?
Dec 07 14:11:57 Halcy0n	fmccor: need something?
Dec 07 14:12:34 Flameeyes	DerCorny, that's one of the things i'm thinking atm is just to stick it to require unicode no matter what
Dec 07 14:14:56 fmccor	Halcy0n, Yes, if you have a minute for a private question?
Dec 07 14:15:37 Halcy0n	Sure
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Dec 07 14:35:55 latexer	beejay: pong.
Dec 07 14:37:29 beejay	latexer: your knowledge of Networking is (bad|default|guru-like)?
Dec 07 14:37:46 latexer	beejay: prolly slightly better than default, i guess...
Dec 07 14:37:47 latexer	why?
Dec 07 14:38:00 beejay	basically I am looking for a method to bring emule down on another box here in my local network
Dec 07 14:38:13 beejay	i.e. the box of a near relative.
Dec 07 14:38:14 latexer	bring it down?
Dec 07 14:38:22 beejay	kill it
Dec 07 14:38:25 beejay	send broken packets
Dec 07 14:38:27 beejay	whatever
Dec 07 14:39:04 spb	ping -f
Dec 07 14:39:08 latexer	you could do arp poisoning, or just ping flood them.
Dec 07 14:39:22 beejay	well ping -f would suck
Dec 07 14:39:31 beejay	since this box is on the way between me and the router.
Dec 07 14:39:55 hansmi	Just block the machine on the router?
Dec 07 14:39:55 axxo	iptables -j drop
Dec 07 14:40:24 DerCorny	who is responsible for the gentoo feeds administration?
Dec 07 14:40:30 beejay	hansmi: wouldn't help -- the access to the router is equal for everybody
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Dec 07 14:40:40 beejay	so everybody cann add his stuff for forwarding etc.
Dec 07 14:41:07 drobbins	beejay: hiya
Dec 07 14:41:08 hansmi	beejay: Social solutions are almost ever easier and better than technical blocking.
Dec 07 14:41:15 beejay	and the answer to the question "who is killing my mule" would be obvious ;)
Dec 07 14:41:35 beejay	hansmi: I asked him a few times to stop using this .. gah
Dec 07 14:41:41 beejay	comes up again and again...
Dec 07 14:42:02 axxo	change the password on the router
Dec 07 14:42:05 beejay	hiu drobbins
Dec 07 14:42:12 axxo	call the fbi ? :)
Dec 07 14:42:22 beejay	axxo: <+beejay> and the answer to the question "who is killing my mule" would be obvious ;)
Dec 07 14:42:50 beejay	the result would be him resetting the router and locking me out (or in - depends on POV)
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Dec 07 14:53:19 beejay_	latexer: you understand now why i am looking for a radical solution?
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Dec 07 14:53:48 axxo	is he bigger then you? ;p
Dec 07 14:53:49 Dr_Who	vapier, ping
Dec 07 14:54:19 beejay_	axxo: the router is in his Flat.
Dec 07 14:54:29 beejay_	axxo: so a hard reset would be no problem for him ;)
Dec 07 14:54:43 axxo	get your own internet connection
Dec 07 14:54:43 vapier	Dr_Who: pong
Dec 07 14:55:33 axxo	rate-limit it
Dec 07 14:56:02 Dr_Who	vapier, hey ya ... quick q .. do you know of or perhaps maybe you were already hacking on an updated ebuild for gcc 4.1 ?
Dec 07 14:56:43 beejay_	axxo: we only have one Phone-Wire leading to our house -> only one DSL-Connection.
Dec 07 14:56:43 vapier	Dr_Who: nah, Halcy0n has been doing all the gcc-4.1 ebuilds
Dec 07 14:56:49 beejay_	Or I have to use Modem ;)
Dec 07 14:56:53 vapier	ive been doing gcc-3.[34].x
Dec 07 14:56:59 vapier	and we've been doing gcc-4.0.x together
Dec 07 14:57:35 Dr_Who	np .. !  thanks for the education!
Dec 07 14:57:40 Dr_Who	Halcy0n, any thoughts ?
Dec 07 14:58:11 beejay_	OH Jesus!
Dec 07 14:58:21 beejay_	they announce a brand new version of Gnucash
Dec 07 14:58:28 beejay_	with miles of progress forward
Dec 07 14:58:34 *	vapier watches for the plague of locust
Dec 07 14:58:36 beejay_	AND IT'S STILL GTK+
Dec 07 15:00:41 Flameeyes	beejay_, 1.2?
Dec 07 15:00:47 latexer	gtk+++
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Dec 07 15:01:11 brix	latexer++
Dec 07 15:01:16 Flameeyes	gtk--
Dec 07 15:01:17 Flameeyes	qt++
Dec 07 15:01:24 brix	c++--
Dec 07 15:01:30 Flameeyes	c++++
Dec 07 15:01:41 spb	c++++
Dec 07 15:01:56 beejay_	latexer... please.. you know how it looks with UTF-8?
Dec 07 15:02:01 beejay_	especially Umlauts?
Dec 07 15:02:13 brix	beejay_: what? gtk+?
Dec 07 15:02:16 latexer	beejay_: i've seen it with thai and a few other languages, seemed fine.
Dec 07 15:02:31 latexer	(mind you i don't read thai)
Dec 07 15:02:45 brix	gtk+ looks great here with danish chars and UTF-8
Dec 07 15:03:10 brix	beejay_: german is such a silly language anyways
Dec 07 15:03:13 brix	;)
Dec 07 15:03:48 DerCorny	das habe ich jetzt aber berhrt
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Dec 07 15:03:57 DerCorny	</german rant>
Dec 07 15:04:06 latexer	i'm kinda glad i can't understand that. (:
Dec 07 15:04:49 brix	I'll be happy to translate
Dec 07 15:04:54 latexer	lol.
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Dec 07 15:04:59 hansmi	DerCorny: Seit wann hrst du Sachen im IRC?
Dec 07 15:05:44 DerCorny	hehe
Dec 07 15:07:36 brix	heh
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Dec 07 15:14:32 Flameeyes	!herd netmon
Dec 07 15:14:33 jeeves	Flameeyes: (netmon) angusyoung, dragonheart, eldad, ka0ttic, mkay, ramereth, smithj, soulse, strerror, vanquirius, vapier
Dec 07 15:14:42 Flameeyes	ping guys, need help with tcpdump ^^;;
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Dec 07 15:15:26 brix	Flameeyes: whatcha need?
Dec 07 15:15:34 brix	I use tcpdump a lot
Dec 07 15:16:03 Flameeyes	brix, to increase the dumped packages' size to get a full dump of an ieee802.11 talk :P
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Dec 07 15:16:34 brix	use the -s flag
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Dec 07 15:16:57 brix	Flameeyes: -s 0
Dec 07 15:17:06 Flameeyes	thanks
Dec 07 15:17:13 brix	Flameeyes: means unlimited buffer size
Dec 07 15:18:50 spyderous	Halcy0n: -lssp_noshared not found, in the stage1 build. i can stick a log somewhere if ya want.
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Dec 07 15:20:46 spyderous	Halcy0n: ok, uploaded a log to d.g.o/~me/
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Dec 07 15:21:44 spyderous	Halcy0n: also has emerge info at the top
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Dec 07 15:25:12 Halcy0n	spyderous: okay, I'll look at it in a bit.  Thanks.  It compiled fine over here.
Dec 07 15:25:55 Halcy0n	Dr_Who: thoughts on?
Dec 07 15:28:18 Dr_Who	Halcy0n, if you might have an updated 4.1 ebuild coming up soon
Dec 07 15:28:29 Halcy0n	Dr_Who: I have the latest snapshot in the tree.
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Dec 07 15:29:09 Dr_Who	Halcy0n, later than 12-02 I gather ?
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Dec 07 15:30:14 genone	barca++
Dec 07 15:31:01 antarus	!google barca
Dec 07 15:31:02 jeeves	http://www.fcbarcelona.com/
Dec 07 15:31:05 antarus	...
Dec 07 15:31:22 genone	you wouldn't understand
Dec 07 15:32:59 Halcy0n	Dr_Who: no, that was the last snapshot.
Dec 07 15:33:21 Halcy0n	Dr_Who: should be another on Friday.  That's when they are generated.
Dec 07 15:33:41 malverian[work]	Hmm..
Dec 07 15:34:41 malverian[work]	portage-2.0.53 gives a QA error (insecure binaries) when doing src_install() on subversion-1.3.0_rc4
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Dec 07 15:34:44 malverian[work]	Can anyone else confirm?
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Dec 07 15:41:29 Dr_Who	Halcy0n, ah ok ... someone was refering to a 12-6 .. must have been something that someone did as compared to an official one!
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Dec 07 15:41:45 Halcy0n	Dr_Who: 4.2 snapshot was released then I believe.
Dec 07 15:41:58 Dr_Who	naw this was 4.1
Dec 07 15:41:59 Halcy0n	I don't even bother with those until they hit stage 3.
Dec 07 15:42:13 Dr_Who	heh .. yeah .. 4.2 would be for those that like their steak raw
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Dec 07 15:42:19 Dr_Who	or tofu
Dec 07 15:44:38 Halcy0n	A bunch of cool stuff should be going into 4.2, so it'll be interesting.
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Dec 07 15:46:05 spyderous	i heard fortran worked even better in 4.2.
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Dec 07 15:46:28 Halcy0n	spyderous: 4.2 _just_ started, so its unlikely its any different than how it works in 4.1 :)
Dec 07 15:46:37 Halcy0n	It was only branched about a week or two ago.
Dec 07 15:46:40 spyderous	Halcy0n: yeah, well i'm just repeating what some random guy said on a list i'm on.
Dec 07 15:47:01 spyderous	probably using a 4.1 snapshot from months ago
Dec 07 15:47:03 ---	beejay__ is now known as beejay|off
Dec 07 15:47:11 beejay|off	night ladies.
Dec 07 15:47:31 Halcy0n	4.1 should be released soon.  (By soon I mean some unknown date before 4.2 is released :) )
Dec 07 15:47:52 spyderous	i decided to try our new toolchain bits last night
Dec 07 15:48:02 Halcy0n	4.0? or 4.1?
Dec 07 15:48:03 spyderous	so upgraded to glibc 2.3.6-r1, latest gcc-4.0 and 4.1
Dec 07 15:48:10 spyderous	of course the 4.1 stalled =P
Dec 07 15:48:22 spyderous	haven't ventured into binutils .90 land though
Dec 07 15:48:27 Halcy0n	4.0.2-r1 should be mostly solid.  We have a couple of fixes to roll into it before we push it out.
Dec 07 15:48:35 Halcy0n	Stick with 2.16.1.  I've had better luck with it.
Dec 07 15:48:38 spyderous	i thought i would try building modular X with it.
Dec 07 15:49:37 Halcy0n	How is modular X now?  Will my nvidia drivers or anything else explode?
Dec 07 15:49:47 spyderous	nvidia may or may not work, don't know, haven't tested.
Dec 07 15:49:51 Halcy0n	Screwing around with X scares me more than toolchain stuff.
Dec 07 15:49:56 spyderous	but the not working would be the ebuild's fault, not upstream
Dec 07 15:50:00 ajax	bah.  X is fun.
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Dec 07 15:50:15 ajax	and surprisingly resiliant
Dec 07 15:50:16 Halcy0n	ajax: yea, but if I ruin my toolchain I know how to easily fix that :)
Dec 07 15:50:25 spyderous	ajax: you've tried modular w/ gcc-4.0.something, haven't you?
Dec 07 15:50:28 ajax	quickpkg...
Dec 07 15:50:43 ajax	spyderous: yes
Dec 07 15:50:51 spyderous	ajax: how about 4.1?
Dec 07 15:51:18 ajax	spyderous: not yet.
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Dec 07 15:51:35 ajax	seriously, just quickpkg your old X
Dec 07 15:51:42 ajax	that's what it's for
Dec 07 15:53:44 ajax	quickpkg, and never having to install a -devel package to get the damned headers for something, are the reasons i use gentoo for development boxes
Dec 07 15:54:08 latexer	ajax: yeah, doing all the -devel crap to start developing something sucks.
Dec 07 15:54:22 spyderous	the thing i really like about quickpkg is it actually captures the changes you've made on your system, instead of just installing a generic binary
Dec 07 15:54:22 latexer	ajax: ergo my unused ubuntu install on my work laptop.
Dec 07 15:55:04 ajax	yeah, i'm not looking forward to it
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Dec 07 15:56:38 spyderous	ajax: forward?
Dec 07 15:56:48 Halcy0n	spyderous: I'll look into your 4.1 issue in a bit.  Need to study for a test I have tomorrow first.
Dec 07 15:56:59 *	Halcy0n mumbles something about stupid macroeconomics.
Dec 07 15:57:01 ajax	spyderous: well, since i work for red hat now, i'll sort of be expected to use their OS...
Dec 07 15:57:24 spyderous	ajax: ah, i hadn't heard that. what's your job?
Dec 07 15:57:44 ajax	X hackery
Dec 07 15:57:48 spyderous	Halcy0n: know the feeling, i've got finals too
Dec 07 15:57:48 ajax	naturally
Dec 07 15:58:09 spyderous	yeah, figured. anything more specific? do you have to do a lot of package maintenance too, or mostly upstream?
Dec 07 15:58:18 ajax	not really packaging
Dec 07 15:58:32 ajax	pretty even split between bugfixing and development
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Dec 07 15:58:45 ajax	mharris has the packaging down cold, no reason for me to screw it up
Dec 07 15:58:53 spyderous	heh.
Dec 07 15:58:57 jakub	spyderous: looks like you've broken portage ;p Bug 114798
Dec 07 15:58:58 ajax	my knowledge of rpm is limited to the word '-Uvh'
Dec 07 15:58:58 Halcy0n	spyderous: luckily, I don't have any real finals.  Just tests that I can take to drop my lowest grade, which I'm not even going to bother with.
Dec 07 15:59:01 ajax	bbiab
Dec 07 15:59:05 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114798; "emerge sync updating portage cache failed cannot resolve virtual package name to an ebuild (virtual/x11-6.8)"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Manuel Traut->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114798
Dec 07 15:59:18 spyderous	jakub: portage's fault, i was told it worked
Dec 07 15:59:46 *	antarus looks
Dec 07 15:59:54 jakub	shrug...
Dec 07 15:59:55 ciaranm	isn't that missing an operator?
Dec 07 16:00:20 antarus	probably..
Dec 07 16:00:41 spyderous	figures that it doesn't work though.
Dec 07 16:00:49 antarus	of course that doesn't say what package has that for a DEPEND though
Dec 07 16:00:57 *	antarus stabs crappy errors
Dec 07 16:01:08 spyderous	it's only when i go out of my way to ask about things working properly, multiple times, that they break
Dec 07 16:01:43 Halcy0n	spyderous: so clearly you are asking the wrong people :)
Dec 07 16:01:54 jakub	heh
Dec 07 16:02:17 az	well, the 'right' people can be really wrong to ask some times :/
Dec 07 16:02:36 antarus	spyderous, any idea what package that is?
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Dec 07 16:03:30 jakub	bleh, the error message is bloody useless :/
Dec 07 16:03:43 spyderous	antarus: i'd guess one of the binary drivers, ati-* or nvidia*
Dec 07 16:04:59 kingtaco|work	grep for x11-6.8?
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Dec 07 16:07:26 Halcy0n	!herd kde
Dec 07 16:07:26 jeeves	Halcy0n: (kde) caleb, carlo, centic, cryos, flameeyes, greg_g, motaboy
Dec 07 16:07:28 Halcy0n	^^ping
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Dec 07 16:10:51 spyderous	heh, good luck finding most of them.
Dec 07 16:10:56 spyderous	!seen caleb
Dec 07 16:10:57 GenBot	caleb was last seen 77 weeks, 3 hours, 54 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying 'how do i do that' in #gentoo.
Dec 07 16:10:58 glbt	spyderous, I don't remember seeing caleb.
Dec 07 16:11:03 jakub	yay! *g*
Dec 07 16:11:09 Halcy0n	I just updated the bug instead. :)
Dec 07 16:11:11 spyderous	!seey cryos
Dec 07 16:11:15 spyderous	!seen cryos
Dec 07 16:11:16 glbt	spyderous, cryos is right here!
Dec 07 16:11:16 GenBot	cryos was last seen 6 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'Best run and take the dog out, otherwise he will eat the house whilst I am out :)' in #gentoo-amd64-dev.
Dec 07 16:11:22 Halcy0n	Its a security bug, so the security guys will be on them if its not fixed quickly :)
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Dec 07 16:12:41 jakub	Halcy0n: looks like no luck w/ speech-tools either
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Dec 07 16:13:05 Halcy0n	jakub: I got permission to go ahead and fix that myself, I just haven't had time in the past 2 days.
Dec 07 16:13:29 Halcy0n	Expect it fixed later tonight.
Dec 07 16:13:42 jakub	ah, nice... DIY bugs are the best ones :)
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Dec 07 16:14:10 Flameeyes	Halcy0n, what?
Dec 07 16:14:30 Halcy0n	Flameeyes: just updated the 2 security bugs.  Carlo was the one that handled them I think.
Dec 07 16:14:44 Flameeyes	Halcy0n, probably
Dec 07 16:15:00 Halcy0n	We don't have 3.4.3 stable yet, so we need the fixes backported to 3.4.1.
Dec 07 16:15:18 spyderous	or just stable 3.4.3 =P
Dec 07 16:15:24 Flameeyes	Halcy0n, no idea, i try to avoid security bugs and leave them to carlo and greg
Dec 07 16:15:38 Halcy0n	spyderous: we would if it worked properly.  cpw has found several bugs with it.
Dec 07 16:15:53 spyderous	find me a piece of open-source software without several bugs
Dec 07 16:16:11 Halcy0n	spyderous: well, stuff segfaulting when trying to start it qualifies as not working at all to me. :)
Dec 07 16:16:12 ciaranm	spyderous: sys-apps/hilite
Dec 07 16:16:20 Chainsaw	spyderous: net-irc/xchat-xsys
Dec 07 16:16:21 ciaranm	sys-apps? no, app-misc
Dec 07 16:16:23 spyderous	ciaranm: you're upstream, i presume? =P
Dec 07 16:16:26 ciaranm	spyderous: no
Dec 07 16:16:47 ciaranm	spyderous: app-vim/uptime
Dec 07 16:16:52 ciaranm	no bugs in that one either!
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Dec 07 16:17:34 Halcy0n	Flameeyes: alright, hopefully they can backport the fixes for us then.
Dec 07 16:18:22 antarus	spyderous, what, people actaully killed their world file by replacing it with yours without backing it up first?  Or is your latest mail merely a precautionary clarification?
Dec 07 16:18:41 spyderous	antarus: someone emailed me saying people might do that.
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Dec 07 16:19:00 spyderous	plus there was some useful info on that mail, anyhow
Dec 07 16:19:11 axxo	emerge -pv $(cat world) is so mutch easier
Dec 07 16:19:28 spyderous	try $(<world) instead
Dec 07 16:19:41 axxo	same thing
Dec 07 16:19:45 spyderous	but funner
Dec 07 16:20:12 spyderous	it's optimized for your shell
Dec 07 16:20:16 spyderous	just like gentoo
Dec 07 16:20:27 axxo	sure it is
Dec 07 16:20:40 ciaranm	i'm going to send an email to -dev explaining how to lick your fingers and stick them in a PSU
Dec 07 16:21:00 spyderous	that'd be funny if you could decide which features to build into your shell
Dec 07 16:21:11 spyderous	"nah, i don't really use arrays, or history searching"
Dec 07 16:21:33 spyderous	btw, have you guys tried fish?
Dec 07 16:21:47 axxo	i don't see the point
Dec 07 16:21:56 axxo	so it has colors, big deal
Dec 07 16:22:15 axxo	not really usefull
Dec 07 16:22:22 axxo	zsh on the other hand
Dec 07 16:22:31 spyderous	you can share vars among all users running fish
Dec 07 16:22:36 Halcy0n	zoidberg looked like an interesting shell.
Dec 07 16:22:38 spyderous	event handlers
Dec 07 16:22:47 spyderous	lots of stuff i haven't even blogged about yet
Dec 07 16:23:07 ciaranm	spyderous: ugh. you didn't add fish to the tree did you?
Dec 07 16:23:26 ciaranm	i'm going to have to stab you if you say you did
Dec 07 16:23:29 spyderous	yep, i like it.
Dec 07 16:23:30 AllanonJL|W	spyderous: fish was in linux journal recently, iirc
Dec 07 16:23:41 ciaranm	spyderous: did you fix all the bugs?
Dec 07 16:23:48 spyderous	which ones?
Dec 07 16:23:59 ciaranm	all of them, silly
Dec 07 16:24:10 spyderous	oh, right, because all the apps in the tree have to be bug-free.
Dec 07 16:24:16 spyderous	i always forget that!
Dec 07 16:24:49 spyderous	actually the version from today is working quite well for me
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Dec 07 16:25:44 ciaranm	someone should write a "fish considered harmful"
Dec 07 16:25:51 spyderous	AllanonJL|W: yeah it was in one of those linux mags in the past month or two, don't recall which.
Dec 07 16:25:56 axxo	fish is evvviiiiiiiiiiiil
Dec 07 16:26:14 spyderous	what's so evil about it?
Dec 07 16:26:47 ciaranm	it's underpowered, bloated and is extremely non-POSIX
Dec 07 16:26:57 axxo	dunno :)
Dec 07 16:27:05 ajax	yeah, the non-posix is really what kills it for me
Dec 07 16:27:19 ajax	if it were fish features over zsh, that'd be cool
Dec 07 16:27:38 axxo	does zsh speak utf-8 yet?
Dec 07 16:27:48 spb	bash does
Dec 07 16:27:51 ciaranm	i'm sort of tempted to port zsh wildcards to bash
Dec 07 16:27:52 spb	good enough for me
Dec 07 16:28:19 ajax	zsh very recently gained utf8ness
Dec 07 16:28:23 axxo	i really liked zsh until i started using utf8 filenames
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Dec 07 16:29:44 spyderous	i don't really care about non-posix, in the same way that i'm happy to use bash-3 features in my scripts
Dec 07 16:30:25 spyderous	i just want something that's easy to use
Dec 07 16:30:32 MetalGOD	spyderous, about your mail feel free to modify xmms packages if you need something ping me :)
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Dec 07 16:30:41 spyderous	MetalGOD: k, good to hear
Dec 07 16:30:47 spyderous	MetalGOD: don't let me stop you from doing it first, though.
Dec 07 16:30:52 brix	heh
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Dec 07 16:31:22 spyderous	i'm only doing this because i want my system to work properly and nobody else seems to be takin the initiative
Dec 07 16:31:26 Chainsaw	spyderous: If you see anything wrong with beep-media-player or it's plugins, feel free.
Dec 07 16:31:45 Chainsaw	spyderous: I won't be touching those anyway. The action happens in audacious these days.
Dec 07 16:31:50 axxo	how ready is the xorg rc?
Dec 07 16:31:53 spyderous	ciaranm: any chance you know whether eselect lapack/blas are supposd to work?
Dec 07 16:31:59 ciaranm	spyderous: nfc
Dec 07 16:32:01 spyderous	axxo: works pretty well for me.
Dec 07 16:32:10 spyderous	except xkb
Dec 07 16:32:10 ajax	axxo: please find out and let me know ;)
Dec 07 16:32:17 spyderous	which i always have trouble getting set up
Dec 07 16:32:18 ajax	dude, no one likes xkb anyway
Dec 07 16:32:30 spyderous	i like being able to type the names of people in the project
Dec 07 16:32:33 axxo	i think i may use that
Dec 07 16:32:52 spyderous	if you ever do accented characters, or umlauts, or etc you do
Dec 07 16:33:19 axxo	ok, no rc for me then
Dec 07 16:33:33 MetalGOD	spyderous, the target will be virtual/x11 or x11-libs/libxfoo ?
Dec 07 16:33:57 spyderous	it'll be the group of ( libfoo libbar libfonz ) or virtual/x11
Dec 07 16:34:08 MetalGOD	ahh right
Dec 07 16:34:10 spyderous	see d.g.o/~me/xorg-x11, there's a porting guide
Dec 07 16:34:18 spyderous	and scripts
Dec 07 16:34:19 MetalGOD	yes i'm reading
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Dec 07 16:35:36 spyderous	which i may xmlify at some point
Dec 07 16:35:40 spyderous	if i'm ever really bored
Dec 07 16:35:51 Weeve	does a newer xeon processor (like 3 GHz) equate to pentium4 in gcc-3.3.x's march terms?
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Dec 07 16:36:04 spb	xeon will be p4 or p3
Dec 07 16:36:06 axxo	spyderous: if you poke the doc team, they usualy have minions
Dec 07 16:36:12 Weeve	spb: thanks
Dec 07 16:36:25 spyderous	i poked cpw i think, but not hard enough i guess
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Dec 07 16:36:52 AllanonJL|W	Weeve: cat /proc/cpuinfo should let you know
Dec 07 16:36:58 AllanonJL|W	(which one)
Dec 07 16:37:02 Weeve	AllanonJL|W: it just says xeon
Dec 07 16:37:02 geoman	he was probably busy committing a new portage cvs branch :P
Dec 07 16:37:21 AllanonJL|W	Weeve: interesting, on my boxes that are "Xeon" it says P3 or P4
Dec 07 16:37:40 Weeve	AllanonJL|W: it's a dual cpu box with hypertheaded CPUs (HP DL380)
Dec 07 16:37:59 spb	it's a P4
Dec 07 16:38:17 spb	unless it's em64t, in which case it's a superset of p4
Dec 07 16:38:18 Weeve	spb: that was my guess as well as that appeared to be the closest option in the gcc manpage
Dec 07 16:38:22 AllanonJL|W	model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz
Dec 07 16:38:32 Weeve	AllanonJL|W: yeah, though mine's 3.0
Dec 07 16:38:33 spyderous	geoman: yeah, i just noticed that.
Dec 07 16:38:37 spyderous	weird.
Dec 07 16:38:46 spyderous	http://viewcvstest.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/x11-base/xorg-x11/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6.ebuild?view=graph
Dec 07 16:38:51 AllanonJL|W	ah well, hafta run
Dec 07 16:39:02 Weeve	AllanonJL|W: cool, thanks for  your time! :)
Dec 07 16:39:40 antarus	spyderous, that was leftover from his 'accident'
Dec 07 16:39:40 geoman	spyderous: yeah, he screwed over the entire portage tree with his own speshul branch
Dec 07 16:39:43 antarus	I think ;)
Dec 07 16:39:55 ciaranm	i thought chriswhite's speshul branch got purged
Dec 07 16:39:59 spyderous	i think i was off irc that week, so i missed it.
Dec 07 16:40:07 spyderous	never saw anything on lists about it
Dec 07 16:40:13 geoman	including some random .tar.gz uploads, top-level categories, and text files
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Dec 07 16:40:27 ciaranm	ERROR: dev-util/subversion-1.2.3-r3 failed.
Dec 07 16:40:28 ciaranm	wheee!
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Dec 07 16:40:44 spyderous	but now i've got time to waste (or at least procrastinate) so i got on irc again
Dec 07 16:40:59 antarus	speaking of that; I'm off to be productive :P
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Dec 07 16:42:46 MetalGOD	Halcy0n, pingy
Dec 07 16:42:57 Halcy0n	MetalGOD: pong
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Dec 07 16:43:30 MetalGOD	Halcy0n, what do i need to do to have special permissions to mark xmms x86 packages stable ?
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Dec 07 16:44:10 Halcy0n	MetalGOD: I'm trying to have people file bugs for applications we can easily test, which XMMS would fall under.
Dec 07 16:44:26 Halcy0n	Giving out rights to everyone to mark their packages stable seems to invalidate the point for having the team in the first place.
Dec 07 16:44:37 MetalGOD	Halcy0n, yeah i just need that permission to xmms not for my another packages
Dec 07 16:44:50 MetalGOD	yes you are absolutly right
Dec 07 16:44:51 strerror	yeah what is that chriswhite branches of stuff all over?
Dec 07 16:45:10 Halcy0n	strerror: he screwed up.
Dec 07 16:45:21 strerror	i see
Dec 07 16:45:23 geoman	strerror: the single largest cvs breakage in the history of gentoo, basically
Dec 07 16:45:31 Halcy0n	MetalGOD: well, convince me that giving you permission improves the situation and I'll do it :)
Dec 07 16:45:42 Halcy0n	MetalGOD: I'm just wary of handing out permission to people without a good reason.
Dec 07 16:45:47 strerror	were "actions" taken?
Dec 07 16:45:49 MetalGOD	Halcy0n, yeah you guys don't need to test all buggy xmms plugins
Dec 07 16:45:52 *	strerror can't remember anything being posted
Dec 07 16:46:02 Halcy0n	strerror: his dev bug was reopened about the issue.
Dec 07 16:46:04 ciaranm	strerror: devrel said they weren't interested
Dec 07 16:46:23 strerror	sounds like a fairly good case for _something_ to happen
Dec 07 16:46:24 ciaranm	because they think chriswhite hasn't broken stuff in the past. riiiiight
Dec 07 16:46:26 brix	ciaranm: which I find odd
Dec 07 16:46:26 spb	but then devrel don't actually care about the tree
Dec 07 16:46:28 spb	we all know that
Dec 07 16:46:48 spyderous	geoman: nah, what about when drobs screwed everything
Dec 07 16:47:01 ciaranm	spyderous: we didn't have any users in those days
Dec 07 16:47:09 strerror	seriously though, don't want to appear to be picking on him, but breakage like that should result in SOMETHING, warning, notification to other devs on what went wrong so they can avoid it etc
Dec 07 16:47:14 spyderous	that was only like a year and a half ago
Dec 07 16:47:25 kloeri	spb: devrel is here to care about developers, not the tree..
Dec 07 16:47:32 spb	because the whole point in gentoo is to be nice to people. the distribution thing is just a by-product
Dec 07 16:47:37 ciaranm	spyderous: it was longer than that, unless you're thinking of something else
Dec 07 16:47:41 kloeri	spb: qa should care about the tree (backed up by devrel)
Dec 07 16:47:57 spyderous	ciaranm: i'm thinking when he did a tree-wide keywords sed, or similar
Dec 07 16:47:59 ciaranm	yes, but qa is lead by swegener, who has stated that he doesn't intend to ever enforce anything
Dec 07 16:47:59 spb	qa was caring about it
Dec 07 16:48:08 ciaranm	spyderous: that was manson, not drobbins
Dec 07 16:48:12 spb	they were commenting on his dev bug
Dec 07 16:48:17 spyderous	no, drobs did one as wel
Dec 07 16:48:17 spyderous	l
Dec 07 16:48:21 latexer	drobbins did one as well.
Dec 07 16:48:27 ciaranm	he did? on what keywords?
Dec 07 16:48:30 latexer	a keyword sed, iirc.
Dec 07 16:48:41 jakub	ayeee... biggest screwup contest here? *g*
Dec 07 16:48:45 spyderous	yeah it really took quite a while to fix the tree
Dec 07 16:48:45 latexer	heh.
Dec 07 16:48:46 brix	ah, just like xmas
Dec 07 16:48:57 brix	all the uncles are tell stories again :)
Dec 07 16:49:08 latexer	brix: i may be old, but i'm still spry!
Dec 07 16:49:11 latexer	so watch out.
Dec 07 16:49:25 brix	latexer: you're also far, far away
Dec 07 16:49:27 strerror	brix: lol
Dec 07 16:49:29 ciaranm	nominations for biggest screwups are manson's sparc keywording, chriswhite's branch, chriswhite's eutils changes, seemant's png thingie or global scope mkdir from kito
Dec 07 16:49:44 spyderous	png thingie? i vaguely remember that
Dec 07 16:49:54 Halcy0n	The problem is QA has no problem to enforce issues.
Dec 07 16:49:57 ciaranm	the png thingie is why we have repoman
Dec 07 16:50:06 spyderous	perhaps you've forgotten the time i added 2 defaults to a single virtual and people had to manually fix it before they could sync again
Dec 07 16:50:08 Halcy0n	Devrel can suspend people though, so how is QA supposed to do anything if devrel does not enfoce their wishes?
Dec 07 16:50:09 strerror	we seriously need to have some enforcement mechanism
Dec 07 16:50:33 ciaranm	spyderous: but you didn't break sync itself
Dec 07 16:50:54 Flameeyes	i feel like i have to screwup something... the biggest screwup i did is a libarchive copied from the wrong file and marked stable on first commit... but then, it lasted about 1 hour with no users using libarchive at all...
Dec 07 16:50:55 strerror	even if we currently have something, clearly its not being used, so it ammounts to having nothing
Dec 07 16:50:57 Halcy0n	strerror: I've been trying to figure out how that would work.  We really need a way to do it.
Dec 07 16:51:24 spyderous	Halcy0n: devrel will enforce the wishes of QA.
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Dec 07 16:51:40 spyderous	if they don't, i will bring on the beatdown
Dec 07 16:51:42 Halcy0n	spyderous: heh, it does not seem that way.
Dec 07 16:51:57 Halcy0n	spyderous: QA has made it apparent two bugs already that we feel action should be taken.
Dec 07 16:52:00 spyderous	!seen wolf31o2
Dec 07 16:52:01 Halcy0n	A slap on the wrist is not action.
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Dec 07 16:52:15 brix	Flameeyes: you introduced fbsd support - that's a big screwup ;)
Dec 07 16:52:21 jakub	muhehe
Dec 07 16:52:23 geoman	bahahaha
Dec 07 16:52:28 brix	Flameeyes: j/k
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Dec 07 16:52:49 ciaranm	he didn't! that was g2boojum
Dec 07 16:52:57 spyderous	Halcy0n: there is a question of where the line is to be drawn though. is devrel purely an actor, or should it be involved in the decision-making as to penalties once QA decides something needs to happen.
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Dec 07 16:53:10 spyderous	yeah g2's had bsd on the back burner for years
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Dec 07 16:53:16 Flameeyes	brix, i didn't
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Dec 07 16:53:33 Halcy0n	spyderous: well, the current system does _not_ work.  It needs to be fixed.
Dec 07 16:53:37 Halcy0n	Dinner time for me though, bbiab.
Dec 07 16:53:39 strerror	Halcy0n: +1
Dec 07 16:53:45 strerror	on the needs to be fixed
Dec 07 16:53:50 *	strerror has eaten already ;)
Dec 07 16:53:51 spyderous	Halcy0n: perhaps QA and devrel should begin a dialog independent of any infractions, then.
Dec 07 16:53:54 antarus	GLEP it
Dec 07 16:54:13 *	strerror would write a glep if he understood what was in place now :)
Dec 07 16:54:19 ciaranm	the council already decided what should happen
Dec 07 16:54:24 spyderous	it's always harder to discuss something objectively when there's a person you all know who did something concrete
Dec 07 16:54:27 Halcy0n	spyderous: if you are on devrel@, I'm pretty sure you know which two bugs I'm referring to, and we (QA) have made it apparent what we think should happen.
Dec 07 16:54:43 kingtaco|work	Halcy0n, really?
Dec 07 16:54:44 ciaranm	the problem is, devrel don't listenn to complaints from qa and qa's leader has said he's not interested in chasing up devrel
Dec 07 16:54:45 Halcy0n	And the council has decided that QA's wishes should be enforced via Devrel.  Read the first log.
Dec 07 16:54:47 spyderous	Halcy0n: i am, but i haven't been paying a whole lot of attention lately.
Dec 07 16:55:06 spyderous	definitely haven't noticed what you're talking about
Dec 07 16:55:15 Halcy0n	Its time for dinner though, bbl.
Dec 07 16:55:17 spyderous	this modular X thing has been a real time sink
Dec 07 16:55:18 kingtaco|work	Halcy0n, see, I'm on that alias, and nowhere either on the bug or to that address has QA ever asked that ANY particular action be taked
Dec 07 16:55:32 Halcy0n	kingtaco|work: okay, I'll spell it out on the bugs later then.
Dec 07 16:55:37 ciaranm	kingtaco|work: you know that i'm on qa, right?
Dec 07 16:55:43 kloeri	I'm on devrel@ but I haven't seen any comments from qa tbh - qa members might have commented but they never made it clear it was on behalf of qa afaik
Dec 07 16:56:03 ciaranm	kingtaco|work: i mean, i know you hate my guts so you'll probably just do the opposite of whatever i ask, but anyway...
Dec 07 16:56:10 strerror	its probably that qa don't see it as their role to met out sentences, but rather note that an infraction has taken place
Dec 07 16:56:11 brix	spyderous: we all appreciate the work you have put into this, you know...
Dec 07 16:56:15 strerror	perhaps that is a misunderstanding of roles ..
Dec 07 16:56:17 kingtaco|work	ciaranm, no, I don't hate you
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Dec 07 16:56:20 ciaranm	kloeri: i'm on qa
Dec 07 16:56:23 kingtaco|work	it's a waste of my time
Dec 07 16:56:38 kingtaco|work	I hate the fact that you waste everyone elses time with your rants and attacks
Dec 07 16:56:45 kloeri	ciaranm: and did you make it clear that your comments represented qa?
Dec 07 16:56:47 spyderous	brix: it's good to hear that occasionally =)
Dec 07 16:56:52 geoman	err, it is a waste of your time to do something about repeated portage tree breakers?
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Dec 07 16:57:08 ciaranm	kloeri: qa has no official voice. it's just people
Dec 07 16:57:09 kingtaco|work	geoman, again, read what I just said
Dec 07 16:57:37 spyderous	and people can't come to a consensus and present it to other people?
Dec 07 16:57:39 ciaranm	geoman: certain people in devrel think that all qa complaints are rants and attacks, not attempts to fix the tree
Dec 07 16:57:41 kloeri	ciaranm: all I'm seeing is comments from individual devs and devrel can't really act on that claiming qa said this and that..
Dec 07 16:57:43 brix	spyderous: I haven't had the guts to hoase my only machine with X11 yet - but I really look forward to trying out the modularized ebuilds
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Dec 07 16:58:08 ciaranm	kloeri: qa says whatever anyone who sticks themself on the qa alias says
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Dec 07 16:58:24 spyderous	brix: there's a small chance that it could install to somewhere other than /usr if you change XDIR in the eclass and uncomment some lines down by configure. it used to work.
Dec 07 16:58:27 kloeri	ciaranm: hope you don't count me in that at least - I've been talking to several devrel members who wants to resolve this situation the best possible way
Dec 07 16:58:46 brix	spyderous: can't afford it this close to my exams
Dec 07 16:58:51 brix	spyderous: sorry :/
Dec 07 16:58:55 kloeri	ciaranm: that's rather broken :)
Dec 07 16:59:04 spyderous	brix: emerge -B them and look where it installs.
Dec 07 16:59:12 spyderous	or do it in a chroot
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Dec 07 16:59:25 brix	I'll try that
Dec 07 16:59:40 ciaranm	kloeri: the kind of people qualified to do qa are the kind who tend to not consider it worthwhile wasting time with voting and meetings
Dec 07 16:59:57 spyderous	the main one that won't listen to XDIR is mesa, because it doesn't inherit from the eclass.
Dec 07 17:00:14 spyderous	but if you quickpkg your current xorg, you can just drop it back on top if things break
Dec 07 17:00:44 brix	yeah
Dec 07 17:01:03 brix	I've just handed in my final paper this semester tonighy
Dec 07 17:01:05 kloeri	ciaranm: I'm not neccessarily wanting meetings and stuff - but making it clear to devrel if you're just complaining on behalf of yourself or on behalf of qa might be a good idea..
Dec 07 17:01:24 brix	might actually get around to testing this in the near future :)
Dec 07 17:01:29 ciaranm	kloeri: there's no "on behalf of" qa
Dec 07 17:01:40 ciaranm	kloeri: qa is not a product
Dec 07 17:01:50 kingtaco|work	!seen chriswhite
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Dec 07 17:01:53 brix	we are all a product of something
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Dec 07 17:01:57 kloeri	ciaranm: I might just be a silly devrel member not understanding any of this but at least it hasn't been clear at all to me that qa@ had a big problem
Dec 07 17:02:02 geoman	kingtaco|work: try cpw
Dec 07 17:02:08 kingtaco|work	!seen cpw
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Dec 07 17:02:26 kloeri	ciaranm: so it doesn't work and devrel is free to ignore you guys :)
Dec 07 17:02:36 ciaranm	kloeri: notice the two bugs. the fact that someone went so far as to open bugs is indication that there is a serious problem
Dec 07 17:02:50 geoman	he's on #-desktop right now also
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Dec 07 17:03:14 kloeri	ciaranm: and the fact that the dev in question agreed to abide by policy should be an indication that this is solved
Dec 07 17:03:28 ciaranm	kloeri: except that he's *not* abiding by said policy
Dec 07 17:03:37 ciaranm	hence why i reopened the bug
Dec 07 17:04:21 kloeri	yes, I see that but I personally think we should give him a bit of time to adjust to said policies (say two weeks)
Dec 07 17:04:29 spyderous	ciaranm: any chance you've got a tool that checks whether the only stable or ~arch version for any arch is gettin removed?
Dec 07 17:04:30 ciaranm	kloeri: and for the second case, the dev in question won't go and branch the tree again. he'll just go and do something equally unique and stupid but not something that he's been told not to do previously
Dec 07 17:04:41 ciaranm	spyderous: talk to Halcy0n, his is better than mine
Dec 07 17:04:58 geoman	kloeri: to adjust to policies?
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Dec 07 17:05:06 spyderous	ciaranm: can it be automated, or is it that visual graph one?
Dec 07 17:05:08 geoman	how long has he been a dev?
Dec 07 17:05:20 ciaranm	spyderous: Halcy0n's is easily automated. i think swegener has an automated one too
Dec 07 17:05:26 ciaranm	geoman: three years or so
Dec 07 17:05:26 geoman	shouldn't that have been long enough to know that it isn't cool to make your own special cvs branch?
Dec 07 17:05:30 kloeri	geoman: yes, said dev have been used to keywording for archs he can test apparantly
Dec 07 17:05:31 ciaranm	oh, him?
Dec 07 17:05:33 spyderous	i've got a script to pull old ebuilds from my packages
Dec 07 17:05:37 kingtaco|work	geoman, chris? july 04
Dec 07 17:05:38 spyderous	but it can't check keywording yet
Dec 07 17:06:11 spyderous	tried it out on fonts earlier today and it worked great, because i know they're all key'd the same
Dec 07 17:06:37 kloeri	right now I'm not talking about chris - I think he should be a lot more careful though
Dec 07 17:06:49 kingtaco|work	my bad
Dec 07 17:06:49 geoman	so nearly a year and a half
Dec 07 17:06:53 spyderous	he really does do a lot of weird crap though
Dec 07 17:06:56 kingtaco|work	geoman, about that, yeah
Dec 07 17:07:20 spyderous	like when he randomly removed the xorg-x11 entry from package.mask so everybody was on devel snaps
Dec 07 17:07:29 geoman	spyderous: yeah, like creating his own herd called "chriswhite" without asking anybody
Dec 07 17:07:35 spyderous	i don't know how things like that can escape people
Dec 07 17:07:44 marienz	herd?
Dec 07 17:07:48 marienz	that too?
Dec 07 17:07:50 geoman	yes
Dec 07 17:07:56 marienz	odd.
Dec 07 17:07:59 kloeri	geoman: what I'm saying is that he has agreed to follow keywording policy and has screwed up a couple days after agreeing to that - I don't think devrel punishing him is neccessarily going to improve the situation at all
Dec 07 17:08:00 geoman	and then he added that to metadata.xml for a bunch of ebuilds
Dec 07 17:08:01 tove	!herd goats
Dec 07 17:08:02 jeeves	tove: (goats) jforman
Dec 07 17:08:17 ciaranm	kloeri: he says "ok" and then promptly violates the policies to which he's just agreed
Dec 07 17:08:18 steev	anyone here have any experince with a dell inspiron b120?
Dec 07 17:08:27 ciaranm	not that it's a question of agreeing to follow policy anyway
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Dec 07 17:08:58 spyderous	but seriously, projects are all about community, and good code comes naturally out of a good community
Dec 07 17:09:03 kloeri	ciaranm: bad habbits is hard to kill - give him a bit of slack now that he's tried to show you some goodwill
Dec 07 17:09:04 genone	idea: someone lists all the perceived screwups and sends them to devrel "on behalf of qa"
Dec 07 17:09:05 ciaranm	spyderous: bollocks
Dec 07 17:09:06 geoman	kloeri: well, I think what we are trying to say here is that regardless of this current incident, he has a history of doing really bizarre things, apparently without thinking the consequences out beforehand
Dec 07 17:09:18 ciaranm	spyderous: the community is a byproduct
Dec 07 17:09:42 kloeri	geoman: not sure if you're talking about mkennedy or chriswhite now :)
Dec 07 17:09:48 ciaranm	kloeri: no no no. he's not tried to show some goodwill. he's ignored everyone until he really couldn't carry on, then he agreed and went straight back to ignoring everyone
Dec 07 17:09:48 spyderous	i think it's more the other way around =P
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Dec 07 17:10:17 spyderous	genone: yeah, that's what i've been trying to say.
Dec 07 17:10:18 Flameeyes	spyderous, egg/chicken problem
Dec 07 17:10:22 Flameeyes	depends who you ask that to
Dec 07 17:10:30 rane	egg
Dec 07 17:10:31 geoman	kloeri: talking about chriswhite currently, but I understand that mkennedy has repeatedly violated the sparc teams wishes regarding keywording, heh
Dec 07 17:10:47 ciaranm	spyderous: the ones who go around saying how great the 'community' is are the same ones who run love-sources on debian and go around telling everyone to use -O99
Dec 07 17:11:00 steev	anyone know what one o these "expresscard" slot is?
Dec 07 17:11:02 kloeri	ciaranm: I'd like to give him the benefit of a dount - being an arch lead I don't like people breaking keywording policy any more than you but people make mistakes and we need to accept that to some degree
Dec 07 17:11:10 ciaranm	gentoo's 'community' is a by-product, of the "toxic waste" kind
Dec 07 17:11:18 genone	steev: apparently the pcmcia successor
Dec 07 17:11:33 antarus	ciaranm, I think you find that many users of gentoo would disagree with you there ;)
Dec 07 17:11:36 kloeri	geoman: heh, thought we were talking about different devs :)
Dec 07 17:11:40 antarus	s/you/you will
Dec 07 17:11:53 ciaranm	kloeri: and people who carry on making the same mistake over and over despite having repeatedly been told?
Dec 07 17:11:57 geoman	kloeri: and I'm not trying to say "FIRE HIM!!1!"
Dec 07 17:11:59 steev	genone - yeah, im reading that
Dec 07 17:12:00 spyderous	ciaranm: i'm talking more about the development community
Dec 07 17:12:01 Flameeyes	antarus, what i said? depends who you ask that to
Dec 07 17:12:16 geoman	I was just concerned that no action was considered above a slap on the write, apparently
Dec 07 17:12:22 kloeri	ciaranm: we suspend them just like you were suspended.. :)
Dec 07 17:12:25 genone	steev: haven't seen any products for it yet
Dec 07 17:12:26 ciaranm	spyderous: my comment still applies
Dec 07 17:12:34 antarus	kloeri, I guess my Q is, why is there no 'jury of your peers' deal
Dec 07 17:12:36 geoman	er *wrist
Dec 07 17:12:38 ciaranm	kloeri: yeah right.
Dec 07 17:12:40 steev	dell inspiron b120 apparently has one
Dec 07 17:12:57 genone	yeah, some laptops have the slots, but so far no cards have been seen
Dec 07 17:13:10 ciaranm	there's not much overlap between "developers who get useful stuff done" and "developers who go on and on about community"
Dec 07 17:13:13 genone	not that I really looked
Dec 07 17:13:26 kloeri	ciaranm: tbh we're not really here to suspend people on first violation (and not second or third either) - we suspend devs when we don't see any other option
Dec 07 17:13:36 ciaranm	kloeri: how about the fiftieth?
Dec 07 17:14:05 spb	there's always another option
Dec 07 17:14:09 geoman	it probably wouldn't have been a bad thing to remove his commit access for a week or two
Dec 07 17:14:10 spb	it's called having a broken tree
Dec 07 17:14:32 geoman	at the very least
Dec 07 17:14:40 kloeri	spb: yes, and qa can't tell us about broken tree according to ciaranm :(
Dec 07 17:14:49 az	broken trees are fun .. at least it breaks the dull sight of continous text scrolling by :/
Dec 07 17:14:50 spb	they can, and have been doing so
Dec 07 17:14:50 ciaranm	kloeri: i am qa, and i'm telling you
Dec 07 17:15:14 ciaranm	qa consists of whoever is prepared to go and check stuff
Dec 07 17:15:25 kloeri	ciaranm: first time I hear anything from qa so don't expect me to react on information from qa before now..
Dec 07 17:15:27 strerror	this seems like the key issue like i mentioned before
Dec 07 17:15:27 ciaranm	ideally, qa would consist of all of our developers and some of the smarter users as well
Dec 07 17:15:30 spyderous	ciaranm: one doesn't need to go on and on about the community to have a good one.
Dec 07 17:15:47 *	kloeri adds himself to qa@g.o so he can get anybody suspended he doesn't like
Dec 07 17:15:48 strerror	devrel thinks qa has a united "voice", where it would seem they do not
Dec 07 17:16:00 strerror	from the sounds of things it is not possible to "get the opinion of qa" on something
Dec 07 17:16:01 ciaranm	kloeri: no, not who you don't like. who continually breaks things
Dec 07 17:16:15 kloeri	strerror: not really devrels problem, is it?
Dec 07 17:16:28 ciaranm	kloeri: see, this is *exactly* the problem. certain people in devrel think qa complaints are for getting "people someone doesn't like", not "people who keep breaking stuff"
Dec 07 17:16:34 strerror	kloeri: i didn't say it was, i just said that sounds like where the communication is broken
Dec 07 17:16:45 kloeri	ciaranm: yes, I need to find some violations - doesn't matter how serious
Dec 07 17:16:54 strerror	kloeri: ie if i was to write something about how to fix this mess, rather then pointing fingers, then that is what I would suggest ;)
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Dec 07 17:17:16 spyderous	you're just hurting yourself by getting a good dev suspended
Dec 07 17:17:24 kloeri	ciaranm: no, I think qa needs a voice - otherwise we can't treat qa any more seriously than other random devs
Dec 07 17:17:30 spb	and if the people about whom qa complain appear to correlate with people ciaranm doesn't like, it's probably because ciaranm doesn't like people who break stuff
Dec 07 17:17:30 ciaranm	spyderous: neither of the devs in question are any good at all
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Dec 07 17:17:44 ciaranm	kloeri: qa's voice is whoever happens to do checks
Dec 07 17:17:48 spyderous	ciaranm: i'm talking in the generic sense
Dec 07 17:17:50 az	plan B: talk among qa, decide who is a serious screwup, write something up with the last 15+ offenses, and get Mr_Bones_ (who is a well known qa guy) to mail it with big qa stickers slapped all over it ?
Dec 07 17:17:52 kloeri	spb: personally, I don't care who complains
Dec 07 17:18:03 kloeri	ciaranm: doesn't work as I already told you several times
Dec 07 17:18:12 strerror	az: with the lack of a clear voice, that sounds like the ideal plan B
Dec 07 17:18:14 ciaranm	kloeri: it doesn't work because devrel are choosing to ignore it
Dec 07 17:18:16 spyderous	personal vendettas, finding small problems from people you don't like, just results in the tree sucking more if they're any good
Dec 07 17:18:16 spb	ok then, qa's voice is ciaranm
Dec 07 17:18:19 spb	is that better?
Dec 07 17:18:32 kloeri	me standing on a soapbox and shouting "I'm QA" just isn't going to help anybody
Dec 07 17:18:55 antarus	obviously QA isn't having project meetings or anything :)
Dec 07 17:18:55 ciaranm	kloeri: you standing on a soapbox and shouting "I'm QA, and $x broke $y, $z, $a, $b and $c" will help
Dec 07 17:19:11 antarus	oh right, qa doesn't like meetings..my bad.
Dec 07 17:19:23 ciaranm	kloeri: at leas, it will if you get the right values for the variables
Dec 07 17:19:49 ciaranm	antarus: what's the point? twenty people saying "yes, chriswhite broke the tree" doesn't make the tree any more broken than one person saying "chriswhite broke the tree"
Dec 07 17:20:12 kloeri	ciaranm: not really - somebody needs to draw the line between breaking the tree in ways that we need to talk to the dev about and breaking the tree in ways we need to punish the dev for
Dec 07 17:20:33 ciaranm	kloeri: sure. breaking the tree once is an accident. breaking it a dozen times is call for being suspended
Dec 07 17:20:54 kloeri	ciaranm: I'm not opposed to qa drawing that line (at least to some extent) but qa needs a voice beside random devs saying they're on qa
Dec 07 17:21:08 spb	one accident happens to everyone. 20 accidents is a likely sign of incompetence
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Dec 07 17:21:49 kloeri	spb: not really disagreeing on that - I'm disagreeing on the process some people apparently wants
Dec 07 17:21:56 ciaranm	kloeri: ok, qa's voice is any of avenj axxo ciaranm genone mr_bones_ solar spider swegener tove vapier spb halcy0n. how's that?
Dec 07 17:22:08 antarus	ciaranm, How about agreement between QA devs?  Focussing developer efforts?  Writing the tools to do good QA and making them known to everyone? Making a case against a developer for having shoddy QA?
Dec 07 17:22:26 ciaranm	antarus: which does what?
Dec 07 17:22:35 kloeri	ciaranm: make sure they agree and make sure that you note on bugs when you're talking on behalf of qa
Dec 07 17:22:46 ciaranm	kloeri: what does it matter if they all agree?
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Dec 07 17:23:03 strerror	latez *
Dec 07 17:23:14 antarus	ciaranm, because if you say something and the other 10 devs disagree it's not "on behalf of qa"?
Dec 07 17:23:16 kloeri	ciaranm: what does it matter if all of devrel agrees? it only takes one recruiter to remove your cvs access..
Dec 07 17:23:39 ciaranm	antarus: if the other ten devs disagree, then the statement made was probably wrong
Dec 07 17:24:02 genone	ciaranm: I'd guess it's about the "abuse of power" thingy
Dec 07 17:24:04 ciaranm	kloeri: qa violations can be verified by any sufficiently unclueless person
Dec 07 17:24:06 SpanKY	solar / Betelgeuse: updated portage with your ELF QA suggestions
Dec 07 17:24:36 Betelgeuse	SpanKY: great
Dec 07 17:24:36 kloeri	ciaranm: the punishment needed can't be verified quite that easily
Dec 07 17:24:59 kloeri	ciaranm: we can all see if somebody broke the tree in an obvious way but that's not really my point
Dec 07 17:25:10 genone	hmm, "unclueless", I'll have to rmember that word ;)
Dec 07 17:25:12 ciaranm	kloeri: and you can all see if somebody repeatedly broke the tree again and again too
Dec 07 17:25:29 brix	would it be wrong to claim that gentoo linux has millions of users world-wide?
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Dec 07 17:25:38 ciaranm	brix: possibly, yes
Dec 07 17:25:48 genone	brix: unless you have numbers for that, yes
Dec 07 17:25:48 kloeri	ciaranm: yes but that doesn't lead to an obvious punishment imo
Dec 07 17:25:56 spb	brix: last estimate i heard was 200,000, so probably
Dec 07 17:26:09 kloeri	ciaranm: sometimes a warning is enough and sometimes more severe punishment is appropiate
Dec 07 17:26:17 Flameeyes	kloeri, mind if i get out track a second?
Dec 07 17:26:26 brix	so thousands would be ok?
Dec 07 17:26:35 ciaranm	kloeri: there's a difference between the odd occasional screwup and repeated stupidity
Dec 07 17:26:41 ciaranm	brix: hundreds of thousands
Dec 07 17:26:43 brix	ok
Dec 07 17:26:44 brix	thanks
Dec 07 17:26:45 spb	well, the point as i see it is to stop people breaking shit
Dec 07 17:26:48 kloeri	Flameeyes: don't break our flamewar! :)
Dec 07 17:26:49 genone	brix: well, we have several hundred devs already ;)
Dec 07 17:26:59 spb	so if someone breaks something once you tell them not to do it again
Dec 07 17:27:00 ciaranm	of which maybe fifty do anything useful
Dec 07 17:27:00 Flameeyes	kloeri, i have the apache on the g/fbsd box that answers only on IPv6 addy.. that's normal?
Dec 07 17:27:16 kloeri	Flameeyes: no, it should answer fine on ipv4
Dec 07 17:27:26 kloeri	Flameeyes: #-apache for your problem
Dec 07 17:27:29 spb	if when you've told them that several times they continue, you prevent them from being able to
Dec 07 17:27:33 Flameeyes	kloeri, thanks
Dec 07 17:27:42 CHTEKK	unless you configured it to not do that @ Flameeyes, but join #-apache, yeah ;)
Dec 07 17:28:10 kloeri	ciaranm: sure but as I've tried to argue the line isn't as clearcut as you like to say
Dec 07 17:28:16 antarus	ciaranm, You just have to get that jab in at all those 'useless' devs don't you?
Dec 07 17:28:31 ciaranm	kloeri: in some cases, no. in the two cases under discussion, it is extremely clear
Dec 07 17:28:39 latexer	anybody know how much longer this is going to continue for, so i can quit and come back when it's over?
Dec 07 17:28:49 antarus	kloeri, is there any way to get like, some sort of council thing to decide punishment - ala jury style?
Dec 07 17:28:51 ciaranm	latexer: until the tree gets fixed. so probably another year or two
Dec 07 17:29:17 *	genone thinks ciaranm is an optimist
Dec 07 17:29:22 latexer	ciaranm: this, as in the current iteration of this discussion.
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Dec 07 17:29:27 latexer	not 'this' as in 'this problem'.
Dec 07 17:29:27 kloeri	ciaranm: guess we have to disagree on this - at least for mkennedy which is the bug I currently care about :)
Dec 07 17:29:42 ciaranm	kloeri: ok, so fifty breakages isn't enough? would sixty be enough?
Dec 07 17:29:55 kloeri	ciaranm: not about numbers
Dec 07 17:30:03 ciaranm	kloeri: how about seventy?
Dec 07 17:30:13 kloeri	..
Dec 07 17:31:12 spb	ok, so if you won't be persuaded by more breakages, what will do the trick?
Dec 07 17:31:22 ciaranm	kloeri: ok, so just how much stuff would someone have to break before devrel decides to stop procrastinating?
Dec 07 17:32:52 latexer	now, if ciaranm had said "... decides to intervene?", i wouldn't have found that comment antagonizing...
Dec 07 17:33:12 ciaranm	latexer: go and look at the two bugs under discussion
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Dec 07 17:33:39 ciaranm	they make it rather obvious why i chose those words
Dec 07 17:33:42 latexer	got the numbers handy?
Dec 07 17:33:44 kloeri	ciaranm: my opinion (not neccesarrily devrels) is to try to solve things peacefully at first - as in trying to talk to the dev in question instead of just handing down punishment
Dec 07 17:33:59 kloeri	ciaranm: punishment should be our last defence imo
Dec 07 17:34:01 ciaranm	latexer: 111314, 56211
Dec 07 17:34:23 spb	kloeri: already been tried in at least one of the cases
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Dec 07 17:34:36 ciaranm	kloeri: and for how much longer are you going to continue trying to do something which has in both cases been shown to be ineffective?
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Dec 07 17:35:42 kloeri	ciaranm: I'm not convinced it's ineffictive in mkennedys case - we probably need to talk to him again as he made some mistakes after agreeing to follow policy
Dec 07 17:36:00 kloeri	ciaranm: but suspension or other punishment might be a bit harsh imo
Dec 07 17:36:36 ciaranm	kloeri: it's quite simple. if he can't use cvs properly, even after having repeatedly been told what he's doing wrong, then he shouldn't have commit access
Dec 07 17:37:25 kloeri	ciaranm: devrel had this discussion with him once afaik
Dec 07 17:37:28 ciaranm	kloeri: he's been spoken to by various qa people. he's been spoken to by various arch leads. neither worked, so the bug got opened. then he was spoken to  by devrel, and still nothing happened
Dec 07 17:38:36 kloeri	yes, and why is one warning from devrel enough for a suspension? when you got suspended after a number of warnings everybody got their pants in a twist..
Dec 07 17:38:54 ciaranm	kloeri: the difference is, here there's a legit reason
Dec 07 17:38:56 kloeri	so why do we suddenly have to treat mkennedy any differently?
Dec 07 17:39:03 ciaranm	because mkennedy is breaking stuff
Dec 07 17:39:05 spb	he's actually breaking things
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Dec 07 17:39:18 kloeri	ohh, come on - you were suspended for legit reasons too
Dec 07 17:39:31 ciaranm	er, no.
Dec 07 17:39:46 spb	even if there were legit reasons devrel still managed to fuck it up
Dec 07 17:39:47 kloeri	err, yes - harrassing other devs and users is legit
Dec 07 17:40:01 ciaranm	i didn't harass anyone
Dec 07 17:40:08 spb	so we care more about not offending people than not breaking the tree
Dec 07 17:40:24 kloeri	spb: and we wouldn't fuck it up if we just decided to suspend mkennedy?
Dec 07 17:40:41 spb	you may well do
Dec 07 17:40:42 kloeri	ciaranm: lots of people disagree with you on that point
Dec 07 17:40:42 spb	i don't know
Dec 07 17:40:52 ciaranm	kloeri: so? those lots of people are wrong
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Dec 07 17:41:26 kloeri	we're trying not to screw up and actually solve this situation the best way possible - I don't personally think a suspension is the best way atm
Dec 07 17:41:33 kloeri	ciaranm: including you at times
Dec 07 17:41:55 ciaranm	kloeri: and, on the two bugs in question, i am objectively, verifiably right
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Dec 07 17:42:30 kloeri	ciaranm: yes, both devs broke things - that's not what I'm arguing at all
Dec 07 17:42:53 kloeri	"things" being the tree or policy
Dec 07 17:42:59 ciaranm	kloeri: not "broke things". "repeatedly broke things over a long period of time despite having repeatedly been told what they were doing wrong"
Dec 07 17:43:42 kloeri	yes, so you escalate to devrel finally and we tell them to do things the right way
Dec 07 17:43:51 ciaranm	and nothing happens
Dec 07 17:44:15 kloeri	if they still screw up we like to give them a second chance before handing down heavyhanded decisions
Dec 07 17:44:29 ciaranm	mkennedy has had a lot more than two chances
Dec 07 17:44:37 kloeri	not from devrel afaik
Dec 07 17:44:49 ciaranm	are you forgetting the changelog / commit message stuff?
Dec 07 17:45:05 kloeri	different story
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Dec 07 17:45:29 ciaranm	ok, so it's alright for developers to repeatedly screw stuff up, so long as it's different stuff each time?
Dec 07 17:45:33 kloeri	I was quite annoyed by that as well but he actually got a lot better on that part
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Dec 07 17:46:24 kloeri	depends on the stuff - I'm trying to argue that a hard line (say breakign stuff 2 times) isn't the right thing
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Dec 07 17:46:41 ciaranm	neither of the bugs in question were for "2 times"
Dec 07 17:47:17 kloeri	who cares about two times - I saying *any* hard number is wrong
Dec 07 17:47:28 spb	ok, so we'll come back next time he breaks something and say "ok, he's had his second chance from devrel and still screwed up"
Dec 07 17:47:38 ciaranm	...and devrel will give him a third chance
Dec 07 17:47:42 spb	preferably with slightly less overuse of 'ok'
Dec 07 17:48:27 spb	and then if they do that we go to the council and say "devrelisbrokenpls2fixthx"
Dec 07 17:48:29 ciaranm	this isn't about personal vendettas or silly pissing contests. it's about making sure gentoo doesn't end up in a worse situation than the one in which it is in already
Dec 07 17:48:36 Kugelfang	can someone hand out the bug numbers please?
Dec 07 17:48:41 kloeri	maybe - I'm not deciding everything for devrel but I personally think that devs should be given a fair chance to improve
Dec 07 17:48:51 spb	23:34:01 <@ciaranm> latexer: 111314, 56211
Dec 07 17:48:51 ciaranm	Kugelfang: 111314 56211
Dec 07 17:48:58 Kugelfang	thx
Dec 07 17:49:15 ciaranm	kloeri: both have had a more than fair chance before the bugs were even opened
Dec 07 17:49:24 kloeri	ciaranm: I'm not saying it's a pissing match at all - just disagreeing on how to handle situations like this best
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Dec 07 17:49:49 kloeri	ciaranm: not from devrel
Dec 07 17:50:23 ciaranm	kloeri: ok. so next time either of those two screws up, you'll do something?
Dec 07 17:50:24 spb	ok, so next time we open bugs on the first transgression so that the whole second chance thing works out properl
Dec 07 17:50:28 spb	y
Dec 07 17:51:11 kloeri	ciaranm: can't promise anything on behalf of devrel but I'd like to know about screwups at the least
Dec 07 17:51:24 spb	who can ?
Dec 07 17:51:50 ciaranm	kloeri: who in devrel has the authority to say "if it happens again, we'll do something"?
Dec 07 17:51:58 steev	nobody!
Dec 07 17:52:09 kloeri	dmwaters or fmccor can promise some things - but all of devrel would probably be involved in any 'punishment'
Dec 07 17:52:23 kloeri	dmwaters and fmccor is the leads though
Dec 07 17:53:18 *	spb notes that dmwaters appears to be around
Dec 07 17:53:20 az	spyderous: libXaw is missing xaw8 in IUSE
Dec 07 17:53:36 SpanKY	i'm gonna post baselayout-1.11.14 in a bit ... ANY LAST REQUESTS !?
Dec 07 17:53:46 steev	kitchen sink?
Dec 07 17:53:51 jakub	:)
Dec 07 17:53:56 spb	SpanKY: make it not suck
Dec 07 17:53:59 spb	thanks
Dec 07 17:54:03 kloeri	SpanKY: CHANGE THE COLORS!!!!
Dec 07 17:54:07 steev	i just want it to include the kitchen sink
Dec 07 17:54:14 *	kloeri shrugs :)
Dec 07 17:54:20 spb	kloeri: good idea
Dec 07 17:54:26 spb	SpanKY: put the pink patch in please
Dec 07 17:54:26 ciaranm	SpanKY: apply the pink patch
Dec 07 17:54:46 SpanKY	hrm
Dec 07 17:54:54 kloeri	heh, hide the pink patch behind USE=nocxx :)
Dec 07 17:54:57 spb	you know you want to
Dec 07 17:55:03 SpanKY	i'm up for a RC_HOMO in conf.d/rc
Dec 07 17:55:07 spb	do it
Dec 07 17:55:14 SpanKY	# spb - use gay colors
Dec 07 17:55:15 genone	lol
Dec 07 17:55:26 lu_zero	theheh
Dec 07 17:55:27 jakub	muhehe
Dec 07 17:55:41 spb	SpanKY: sounds good to me
Dec 07 17:55:46 lu_zero	SpanKY add the violet/gray patch too
Dec 07 17:55:57 SpanKY	i dont have said patches btw
Dec 07 17:56:00 SpanKY	so you'll have to post em
Dec 07 17:56:03 ciaranm	someone make the linux console support 256 colour ktnxbye
Dec 07 17:56:18 lu_zero	ciaranm =)
Dec 07 17:56:25 Halcy0n	Alright, briefly reading over what just happened, how about we get the QA TLP actually working and we get ourselves on it?
Dec 07 17:56:31 lu_zero	what about full utf8 support?
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Dec 07 17:56:43 lu_zero	hi vivo
Dec 07 17:56:44 Halcy0n	I'm sure one of us would gladly step up as the lead if the current lead is not active enough.
Dec 07 17:56:49 vivo	hi :)
Dec 07 17:56:52 Kugelfang	Halcy0n: not TLP, we don't any more TLPs ;-)
Dec 07 17:56:53 ciaranm	Halcy0n: i nominate you
Dec 07 17:56:53 kloeri	Halcy0n: qa tlp actually working would be nice
Dec 07 17:56:57 spb	SpanKY: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/baselayout-1.11.13-pink.patch
Dec 07 17:57:08 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: it is a project already.
Dec 07 17:57:11 Kugelfang	s/have/
Dec 07 17:57:13 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: it just has two members.
Dec 07 17:57:29 Kugelfang	ahm, s/don't /& have/
Dec 07 17:57:32 Kugelfang	gosh..
Dec 07 17:57:33 *	spb seconds ciaranm's nomination
Dec 07 17:57:44 Kugelfang	Halcy0n: i know... Mr_Bones and swegener
Dec 07 17:57:53 Halcy0n	Because clearly what is happening right now is not working.
Dec 07 17:58:14 Halcy0n	QA has no power whatsoever since devrel doesn't see anything from the people that consider themselves part of QA to be QA's voice.
Dec 07 17:58:16 kloeri	I second anything giving qa a proper voice instead of devs claiming to be qa
Dec 07 17:58:27 Kugelfang	Halcy0n: get together with swegener to employ autrepoman on mailing lists
Dec 07 17:58:28 vivo	rather important question, may we assume that all gentoo user-base use >=bash-3 ?
Dec 07 17:58:34 spb	vivo: no
Dec 07 17:58:37 ciaranm	autorepoman currently generates spam :(
Dec 07 17:58:40 ciaranm	vivo: nnnnope
Dec 07 17:58:42 vivo	omg
Dec 07 17:58:45 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: I could care less about autorepoman, it doesn't work correctly all the time.
Dec 07 17:58:48 spb	ebuild env is <=bash-2
Dec 07 17:58:49 spb	>=
Dec 07 17:58:58 ciaranm	strictly speaking it's >=2.05
Dec 07 17:59:05 kloeri	Halcy0n: nobody knows who qa is right now unfortunately
Dec 07 17:59:07 spb	same difference really
Dec 07 17:59:13 spb	the point being that it's not 3
Dec 07 17:59:18 Kugelfang	Halcy0n: well, then fixing or rewriting it would be step one, wouldn't it?
Dec 07 17:59:19 vivo	ok mysql need to be redone from scratch
Dec 07 17:59:20 ciaranm	kloeri: qa is the people on the qa@ alias, minus the morons. i posted a list earlier
Dec 07 17:59:22 kloeri	or at least I don't have the faintest clue about that
Dec 07 17:59:32 kloeri	ciaranm: so you're not on qa :)
Dec 07 17:59:42 Halcy0n	kloeri: alright, I'm proposing to fix that.  I will discuss it with swegener.
Dec 07 17:59:52 *	ciaranm reports kloeri to devrel for calling him a moron
Dec 07 18:00:08 Kugelfang	ciaranm: employ logic, he didn't ;-)
Dec 07 18:00:09 kloeri	qa roles would need to be in ldap I guess
Dec 07 18:00:18 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: autorepoman is not the only way of doing QA.  Its very nice, I agree, but we have a lot of other crap we look at.
Dec 07 18:00:27 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: I watch for keyword screws on all archs every day for example.
Dec 07 18:00:29 ciaranm	kloeri: i'm on the qa alias :P
Dec 07 18:00:49 kloeri	so we'd probably need a qa lead to give recruiters that information - I'd be happy to update ldap with said information btw
Dec 07 18:01:04 kloeri	ciaranm: duely noted :)
Dec 07 18:01:06 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: and mr_bones is not on the QA team according to the site.
Dec 07 18:01:16 Kugelfang	Halcy0n: he isn't?
Dec 07 18:01:22 Kugelfang	hmm
Dec 07 18:01:23 ciaranm	bah! kloeri and Kugelfang are confusing my tab key
Dec 07 18:01:25 kloeri	the project page and ldap being updated would be very nice imo
Dec 07 18:01:25 Kugelfang	odd
Dec 07 18:01:26 Halcy0n	Kugelfang: seemant and swegener if  recall correctly
Dec 07 18:01:29 ciaranm	one of them must die!
Dec 07 18:01:29 Halcy0n	*I
Dec 07 18:01:37 joem	can we just go back to mr_bones pinging people on irc and threatening to break legs?
Dec 07 18:01:41 *	Kugelfang stabs ciaranm 
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Dec 07 18:01:44 joem	that was my favorite qa team
Dec 07 18:01:44 kloeri	ciaranm: I'm sure I must die :)
Dec 07 18:01:59 Halcy0n	joem: and when the person doesn't care about their legs?  We have no power beyond that.
Dec 07 18:02:17 kloeri	joem: he's still trying to break my legs every 6 months :P
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Dec 07 18:02:19 Halcy0n	joem: watch what I say in here more often, I threaten people on a semi-daily basis because of x86 keyword screwups :)
Dec 07 18:02:49 joem	maybe we could collect some personal information from devs and have custom threats for each person
Dec 07 18:03:11 Flameeyes	joem, we have enough generic threats
Dec 07 18:03:32 joem	!listoffears Flameeyes
Dec 07 18:03:34 SpanKY	how about 'IF YOU DONT DO IT SPANKY WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND TOUCH YOU DOWN THERE'
Dec 07 18:03:53 Flameeyes	jforman and the goats circus, mr_bones and the legs, chriswhite's pole dancing, spanky's kisses, lisa's printers, ciaranm's english lessons...
Dec 07 18:03:54 spb	SpanKY: and what do you do to the ones that say 'OH YES PLEASE'
Dec 07 18:03:56 Halcy0n	SpanKY: if you don't mind, I'll threaten everyone that you'll hump them if they don't fix their broken crap.
Dec 07 18:03:56 spb	?
Dec 07 18:04:41 Flameeyes	see? we're plenty of threats to use
Dec 07 18:05:04 rane	"ciaranm's english lessons" <- omfg
Dec 07 18:05:46 Kugelfang	i don't think ciaranm's english lessons would be bad...
Dec 07 18:06:04 Flameeyes	Kugelfang, probably useful, but for sure a pain ;)
Dec 07 18:06:08 rane	so you will get lisa's printer hit instead
Dec 07 18:06:10 rane	:)
Dec 07 18:06:13 Kugelfang	however, i think that Anarchy's english lessons would probably be painful :-P
Dec 07 18:06:17 *	Kugelfang ducks
Dec 07 18:06:23 Flameeyes	i didn't get it :P
Dec 07 18:06:25 spb	Kugelfang++
Dec 07 18:06:26 lu_zero	pff
Dec 07 18:06:56 Flameeyes	lu_zero, you want to add yourself as a threat?
Dec 07 18:07:00 geoman	hahaha
Dec 07 18:07:04 geoman	Kugelfang++
Dec 07 18:07:24 ciaranm	you're not allowed to mock Anarchy's english skills. he complains to devrel if you do that
Dec 07 18:07:27 Flameeyes	lu_zero's polito streaming lessons?
Dec 07 18:07:36 ciaranm	actually, wait, no. Anarchy only complains when you're not actually mocking him
Dec 07 18:07:58 geoman	Kugelfang: you got it wrong you really think anarchys english lessons would probably be painful don't you think I think so
Dec 07 18:07:59 spb	ciaranm: good job noone can understand him when he does complain then
Dec 07 18:08:18 ciaranm	geoman: you used an apostrophe, foo
Dec 07 18:08:39 geoman	ciaranm: s/'//
Dec 07 18:08:42 geoman	happy? ;)
Dec 07 18:08:46 ciaranm	hippy!
Dec 07 18:08:46 kloeri	ciaranm: I'm not mocking anybodys english skills - my english isn't that great :)
Dec 07 18:09:08 ciaranm	kloeri: so I see :P
Dec 07 18:09:20 spb	kloeri: yours is at least comprehensible, and doesn't cause one's brain to try to escape via the ears
Dec 07 18:09:35 spb	even if you get the apostrophes wrong
Dec 07 18:10:20 kloeri	spb: haha
Dec 07 18:10:24 *	Kugelfang looks out for a drill to widen spb's earcaves ;-)
Dec 07 18:10:35 Kugelfang	widen(sp?)
Dec 07 18:10:37 GenBot	'widen' seems to be the correct spelling.
Dec 07 18:10:49 geoman	Kugelfang: SpanKY can probably handle that for you
Dec 07 18:10:53 kloeri	spb: don't want your brain to escape before I have a alpha/selinux profile :)
Dec 07 18:11:04 Flameeyes	kloeri, too late
Dec 07 18:11:05 ciaranm	kloeri: yes you do
Dec 07 18:11:15 Flameeyes	it gone on vacation when i joined...
Dec 07 18:11:38 spb	ciaranm: nah, kloeri is one of those strange people who doesn't realise how much selinux sucks
Dec 07 18:11:49 jakub	:)
Dec 07 18:11:54 ciaranm	he'll learn
Dec 07 18:12:11 kloeri	ciaranm: nope, I'm weird and actually like selinux :)
Dec 07 18:12:30 *	ciaranm idly wonders how many more dupes of 114799 he'll get
Dec 07 18:12:53 *	jakub files another one ;p
Dec 07 18:13:00 Flameeyes	ciaranm, is just the first dupe?
Dec 07 18:13:02 Flameeyes	you're lucky
Dec 07 18:13:13 Flameeyes	jakub, how many dups i got for a 0dayz bump of amarok last time? :P
Dec 07 18:13:20 jakub	heh...
Dec 07 18:13:29 *	kloeri wonders if he should grab a pizza or another beer.. ;p
Dec 07 18:13:30 Halcy0n	jakub: how many gcc-4.1 bugs have you had to close for me?
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Dec 07 18:14:07 kloeri	Halcy0n: when will gcc-4.1 be ready for ~alpha :)
Dec 07 18:14:18 Halcy0n	kloeri: its not even released yet :)
Dec 07 18:14:19 *	Kugelfang just armed his clock to try to wake him in +5.5hours
Dec 07 18:14:23 jakub	Halcy0n: hmm, not that bad actually, once the I_PROMISE_I_WONT_BOTHER_YOU_WITH_STUPID_BUGS thing has been added ;)
Dec 07 18:14:27 Halcy0n	I still have to get around to testing gcc-4.0 for you guys.
Dec 07 18:14:30 kloeri	Halcy0n: that's not what I asked damn it!
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Dec 07 18:15:03 Halcy0n	kloeri: after tomorrow I will have more time for people to bother me :)
Dec 07 18:15:04 spb	kloeri: speaking of the alpha toolchain, it's broken. please fix.
Dec 07 18:15:04 *	ciaranm goes to find something eatable
Dec 07 18:15:04 kloeri	the alpha ricer brotherhood wants gcc-4.1 ;P
Dec 07 18:15:08 Halcy0n	Last day of classes.
Dec 07 18:15:17 kloeri	spb: how so?
Dec 07 18:15:29 spb	kloeri: generates rwx PT_LOAD
Dec 07 18:15:31 Halcy0n	Speaking of which, I should go study a bit.
Dec 07 18:15:55 kloeri	spb: ahh, thought we decided that was a binutils bug that upstream considers a feature?
Dec 07 18:16:23 Flameeyes	kloeri, or a binutils feature that upstream considers a bug?
Dec 07 18:16:51 kloeri	no, upstream refuses to call it a bug - even when provided small test cases
Dec 07 18:17:16 spb	kloeri: no, that was the bogus textrels
Dec 07 18:17:20 kloeri	they're just saying 'alpha is different, deal with it' :)
Dec 07 18:17:38 kloeri	k, so another feature I guess?
Dec 07 18:17:51 spb	 TYPE    PAX   STK/REL/PTL TEXTREL RPATH BIND FILE
Dec 07 18:17:51 spb	ET_EXEC ---xe- RW- --- RWX    -      -   LAZY /usr/bin/scanelf
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Dec 07 18:18:30 kloeri	k, I'll poke at it in the next few days
Dec 07 18:18:48 spb	bear in mind that this was something solar said was beyond his skills to fix ;p
Dec 07 18:19:29 kloeri	obviously, he sucks :)
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Dec 07 18:20:36 brix	kloeri: heh
Dec 07 18:20:38 spb	apparently the fix is somewhat non-trivial and starts in the kernel headers
Dec 07 18:20:53 brix	kloeri: I would recommend not throwing yourself at it at this hour ;)
Dec 07 18:20:59 SpanKY	kloeri: what happened to gendcc04 ?
Dec 07 18:21:08 SpanKY	it rebooted and now has a diff ssh key ?
Dec 07 18:21:53 kloeri	brix: ohh, I'm already about the most hated dev today I'm sure :)
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Dec 07 18:22:16 brix	kloeri: why so?
Dec 07 18:22:20 kloeri	SpanKY: dforge updated it and for some reason it has a different ssh key
Dec 07 18:22:26 kloeri	SpanKY: never figured out why
Dec 07 18:22:31 spb	he broke it
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Dec 07 18:22:43 spb	it's not as though 04 is very interesting anyway
Dec 07 18:22:46 kloeri	SpanKY: has all the right accounts etc. *shrug*
Dec 07 18:22:57 spb	we all know 09 and 10 are the ones that matter
Dec 07 18:22:58 kloeri	brix: big discussion earlier
Dec 07 18:23:37 brix	ah, that
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Dec 07 18:23:48 brix	I tried to stay out of it
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Dec 07 18:23:59 az	spyderous: and the configure stuff is wrong .. should be: CONFIGURE_OPTIONS="`use_enable xprint` `use_enable xaw8`"
Dec 07 18:24:03 kloeri	heh, I should have smart enough to do that myself :)
Dec 07 18:24:08 az	spyderous: and not: CONFIGURE_OPTIONS="`use_enable xprint xaw8`"
Dec 07 18:24:17 Halcy0n	kloeri: you never updated the motd for me btw.
Dec 07 18:24:21 Halcy0n	kloeri: to say that I'm breaking 05
Dec 07 18:24:34 kloeri	Halcy0n: true, I'll do that now
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Dec 07 18:25:09 Halcy0n	I'll hpefully start breaking it in a few hours.
Dec 07 18:25:36 az	spyderous: err, or maybe you enable it only if the user got xprint in USE ? werd, nm what i said
Dec 07 18:25:45 Halcy0n	Just studying crap that I don't care about at all and doesn't really apply to my major first :)
Dec 07 18:26:02 brix	nite all
Dec 07 18:26:39 spb	kloeri: speaking of MOTDs, last i looked it didn't say anything about 9 and 10 ;p
Dec 07 18:27:02 kloeri	spb: yeah, fixing that in a bit
Dec 07 18:27:09 spb	cool
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Dec 07 18:27:55 az	kloeri: what was the 2.4 compile issue with gcc-3.4.4 .. gcc-3.4.4 bug, or you dont know about it?
Dec 07 18:28:29 kloeri	az: some define in the kernel iirc
Dec 07 18:28:36 kloeri	az: halcyon would know about it
Dec 07 18:28:40 Halcy0n	az: bug with the kernel as far as I'm concerned.
Dec 07 18:28:49 az	Halcy0n: ah, ok
Dec 07 18:28:49 Halcy0n	People shouldn't force the compiler to inline code when its stupid to do so.
Dec 07 18:29:06 Halcy0n	The kernel defined inline to be __attribute (( always_inline ))
Dec 07 18:29:21 Halcy0n	So the compiler bailed out when it couldn't handle it.
Dec 07 18:29:57 az	dont they have a few inline defines ?
Dec 07 18:30:10 az	ie, they should use the just inline one, and not always inline for that func
Dec 07 18:30:31 Halcy0n	I didn't look that closely.
Dec 07 18:30:48 Halcy0n	I just know that "inline" is defined to be always_inline.
Dec 07 18:30:53 Halcy0n	In that case atleast.
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Dec 07 18:32:39 ciaranm	it'd be nice if __attribute__ (( nothrow )) worked properly...
Dec 07 18:33:28 ciaranm	also, c++ needs the frickin' restrict keyword
Dec 07 18:34:26 SpanKY	__THORW
Dec 07 18:34:42 *	vivo breath again
Dec 07 18:34:54 vivo	bash 3.0 is not so different from 2.05 :D
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Dec 07 18:35:13 ciaranm	3.0 has useful stuff like {a,b}
Dec 07 18:35:32 vivo	yes but I've not used it ;)
Dec 07 18:35:33 genone_	{a,b} is 2.0, no?
Dec 07 18:35:37 vivo	no
Dec 07 18:35:40 genone_	{a..b} was 3.0
Dec 07 18:35:41 ciaranm	er... yeah
Dec 07 18:35:42 vivo	http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/~chet/bash/FAQ
Dec 07 18:35:43 ciaranm	{a..b}
Dec 07 18:35:50 ciaranm	{a,b} is POSIX
Dec 07 18:36:00 ciaranm	Flameeyes: are you going to try to persuade us not to use seq?
Dec 07 18:36:25 Flameeyes	ciaranm, there's a seq replacement function in portability eclass
Dec 07 18:36:46 ciaranm	uh oh. i hate that eclass
Dec 07 18:37:01 ciaranm	it doesn't do -w
Dec 07 18:37:04 Flameeyes	but if we could just get to use bash3 as anyway there's something in ebuild.sh requiring bash 3 iirc, {a..b} is the best choice imho
Dec 07 18:37:18 ciaranm	nnope. ebuild.sh and the tree are 2.05
Dec 07 18:37:44 Flameeyes	ciaranm, i remember someone saying that there was a 'type' command in ebuild.sh that wasn't working on bash2, but ferringb knows better
Dec 07 18:37:54 ciaranm	there isn't supposed to be
Dec 07 18:38:07 genone_	well, we *could* bump the dep if necessary
Dec 07 18:38:22 marienz	define "necessary", I guess
Dec 07 18:38:48 genone_	necessary = someone pays us to do so :P
Dec 07 18:38:49 ciaranm	last i heard we were stuck with 2.05 until we did a release with 3.0 in the tarballs
Dec 07 18:39:41 genone_	you're stuck with 2.0 as long as portage versions with a dep on >=2.0.5 are in circulation
Dec 07 18:40:11 vivo	may be a good idea, also =~ matching is sexy :-)
Dec 07 18:40:15 genone_	(see glep44 for an explanation :P)
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Dec 07 18:40:44 ciaranm	=~ matching is prone to doing weird stuff
Dec 07 18:41:18 vivo	why ?
Dec 07 18:42:11 ciaranm	because there's no specification describing what =~ does
Dec 07 18:43:11 marienz	fun!
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Dec 07 18:45:37 ciaranm	genone: wasn't the idea to have EABI -> package mangler deps as a file in the tree?
Dec 07 18:45:55 genone	EABI only works for some stuff
Dec 07 18:46:02 genone	ehm, EAPI it is
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Dec 07 18:46:26 genone	can't use to influence the parsing itself
Dec 07 18:46:56 ciaranm	bring back my .ebuild.2 idea!
Dec 07 18:47:41 genone	ciaranm: though rereading your question I don't think I understood it ...
Dec 07 18:48:15 ciaranm	.ebuild.2  is far better than EAPI anyway
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Dec 07 18:50:13 genone	bah, not so small steps, lets jump to .zebuild directly
Dec 07 18:50:23 ciaranm	xbuilds!
Dec 07 18:50:50 genone	wasn't that some apple crap?
Dec 07 18:50:58 ciaranm	that was zynot
Dec 07 18:51:51 genone	(just for reference: .zebuild == normal ebuild, just all files in a zipfile or similar)
Dec 07 18:52:25 ciaranm	eww!
Dec 07 18:52:37 ciaranm	i hate that idea
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Dec 07 18:52:46 genone	well ,it's not an idea for the main tree
Dec 07 18:53:02 genone	just for third party package distribution
Dec 07 18:53:15 az	hmm, htf do you get dspam to work with amavisd ?
Dec 07 18:53:24 ciaranm	full multi repo support and http repo support would be cleaner
Dec 07 18:53:28 az	i could have sworn it used to work, but now it aparently do not find it
Dec 07 18:54:04 langthang|work	az: check the log file when you restart amavisd
Dec 07 18:54:09 Halcy0n	az: I have spamassassin working with amavisd.
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Dec 07 18:54:33 az	err, general system log or what?
Dec 07 18:54:48 langthang|work	az: mail.log or message
Dec 07 18:54:52 az	cause that just say No $dspam,             not using it
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Dec 07 18:55:14 langthang|work	az: I think dspam has a wrong permission
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Dec 07 19:00:26 az	Halcy0n: anything special you did ?
Dec 07 19:00:37 Halcy0n	az: not that I can recall.
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Dec 07 19:01:59 langthang|work	az: chmod g+rx ?
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Dec 07 19:02:27 langthang|work	it used to configured with --with-dspam-mode=4755
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Dec 07 19:02:56 langthang|work	but now with the default 2510
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Dec 07 19:06:53 az	langthang|work: yeah, aparently that did the trick (i did add amavisd user to mail group though)
Dec 07 19:11:53 genone	hmm, that alexander guy is still a gentoo dev?!?
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Dec 07 19:12:45 cshields	spyderous: ping
Dec 07 19:14:18 ciaranm	genone: pvdabeel blocked his being removed
Dec 07 19:15:13 Halcy0n	I wonder if he knows what grep is yet?
Dec 07 19:15:15 genone	hmm, can we remove pvdabeel these days?
Dec 07 19:15:42 ciaranm	Halcy0n: heh. did you hear about the latest osx speshul? one of their devs doesn't know what a || () dependency is
Dec 07 19:16:16 Halcy0n	genone: I don't think he's done anything in a long time.
Dec 07 19:16:23 Halcy0n	ciaranm: that's great.
Dec 07 19:16:40 genone	he only did 2 commits in the last 8 months
Dec 07 19:16:44 ciaranm	http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg00039.html <-- read that and cry
Dec 07 19:17:21 genone	ouch
Dec 07 19:17:38 joem	:(
Dec 07 19:17:47 Halcy0n	Heh.
Dec 07 19:17:51 marienz	uhm.
Dec 07 19:17:54 Halcy0n	Do these people have commit access?
Dec 07 19:18:08 Halcy0n	They'd be the first victims of the new QA team.
Dec 07 19:18:09 *	genone doesn't comment
Dec 07 19:18:12 Halcy0n	"victims"
Dec 07 19:18:40 ciaranm	they do. at least they didn't actually commit that...
Dec 07 19:19:16 kloeri	please poke me if anybody needs to be retired due to inactivity
Dec 07 19:19:25 marienz	I was about to say something, but I just had someone fix a silly >=foo/bar-2* style dep I committed, so I guess I'll shut up :)
Dec 07 19:19:27 ciaranm	kloeri: pvdabeel
Dec 07 19:19:43 Halcy0n	Wow, I've committed more stuff last week than that guy has in over a year.
Dec 07 19:19:44 genone	kloeri: alexander
Dec 07 19:19:52 Flameeyes	and please pass from me if someone of the alt guys do something bad, thanks
Dec 07 19:19:55 steev	i think i've only done 2 commits in the past 8 months
Dec 07 19:20:01 ciaranm	Flameeyes: you saw that thread, right?
Dec 07 19:20:04 joem	kloeri: steev
Dec 07 19:20:04 ciaranm	kloeri: steev
Dec 07 19:20:08 ciaranm	i win
Dec 07 19:20:10 joem	no way
Dec 07 19:20:11 langthang|work	ciaranm: I have some roadmap thought you might like to read ;)
Dec 07 19:20:17 ciaranm	uh oh
Dec 07 19:20:18 avenj	ha
Dec 07 19:20:19 Halcy0n	ciaranm: I saw joem's first.
Dec 07 19:20:25 Flameeyes	ciaranm, yes, he didn't do something bad, i've seen worse from respectable devs
Dec 07 19:20:46 ciaranm	Flameeyes: oh, so you're saying ndimiwhateveritis isn't a respectable dev?
Dec 07 19:20:46 langthang|work	http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/belenix_roadmap.html
Dec 07 19:20:47 steev	does it count if i haven't been a dev for 8 months?
Dec 07 19:20:55 kloeri	ciaranm, genone: checking to see if they fit my current 'inactivity' criteria
Dec 07 19:21:00 Flameeyes	ciaranm, your interpretation of respectable
Dec 07 19:21:10 Flameeyes	i still have to see him in action, so i won't comment on it
Dec 07 19:21:15 ciaranm	kloeri: dmwaters
Dec 07 19:21:16 genone	kloeri: well, in over a year he did exactly one commit according to cia
Dec 07 19:21:31 Halcy0n	steev: hmm, 8 in 3 months is okay for a new dev :)
Dec 07 19:21:42 Halcy0n	I didn't do much when I first started.
Dec 07 19:21:52 ciaranm	heh, i've done more non-scripted commits in a day than all of some herds put together have ever done
Dec 07 19:22:08 Flameeyes	i have my statistics at cia falsed by local projects and kde :P
Dec 07 19:22:16 kloeri	ciaranm: sorry, pvdabeel is off my list and dmwaters is still active :)
Dec 07 19:22:22 kloeri	genone: k
Dec 07 19:22:31 ciaranm	kloeri: wesolows. he's working for sun and is under a "no linux stuff" nda. pvdabeel blocked him being retired last time
Dec 07 19:22:38 ciaranm	kloeri: why isn't pvdabeel on the list?
Dec 07 19:22:44 kloeri	genone: alexander is already on my list of people to retire
Dec 07 19:23:00 kloeri	ciaranm: because his last commit is 2005-09-28
Dec 07 19:23:10 ciaranm	kloeri: two commits in six months doesn't count as activity
Dec 07 19:23:30 kloeri	ciaranm: wesolows is on my list
Dec 07 19:23:46 kloeri	ciaranm: it fits my current criteria but he's on my radar
Dec 07 19:23:49 *	genone would retire him for other reasons than inactivity, but that's another story
Dec 07 19:23:54 Halcy0n	kloeri: williamh is looking almost useless
Dec 07 19:24:04 kloeri	genone: :)
Dec 07 19:24:08 Halcy0n	16 commits in over a year?
Dec 07 19:24:15 Flameeyes	genone, remember that alt changed seat, eh :P
Dec 07 19:24:31 joem	anybody can cp an ebuild every 6 months or so for a version bump..
Dec 07 19:24:33 genone	Flameeyes: it's not only about alt
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Dec 07 19:24:46 ciaranm	Flameeyes: believe it or not, pvdabeel broke other stuff too :)
Dec 07 19:24:48 Flameeyes	genone, i would have liked more if the "only" was not there...
Dec 07 19:25:03 Flameeyes	ciaranm, i just know the state he left the project... for the rest, i wasn't here at the time
Dec 07 19:25:04 genone	he's one of two persons inside Gentoo that have officially pissed me off
Dec 07 19:25:13 Flameeyes	i hope not to be the other
Dec 07 19:25:16 Halcy0n	kloeri: urilith
Dec 07 19:25:18 genone	nope
Dec 07 19:25:21 kloeri	Halcy0n: williamh fits my current 'active' criteria too but is on my radar
Dec 07 19:25:24 pfeifer	cshields: ping
Dec 07 19:25:37 ciaranm	genone: which means it's either me or nick, right?
Dec 07 19:25:39 joem	Pylon: ping
Dec 07 19:25:40 cshields	pfeifer: whats up
Dec 07 19:25:47 genone	ciaranm: nope
Dec 07 19:25:52 ciaranm	mmm. surprising
Dec 07 19:26:00 pfeifer	cshields: can you check my account on devwiki? getting accessed denied.
Dec 07 19:26:07 genone	ciaranm: it's glep14-related to give you a hint
Dec 07 19:26:09 pfeifer	but the login is successful
Dec 07 19:26:09 kloeri	Halcy0n: I'll retire urilith
Dec 07 19:26:14 ciaranm	cshields: oh, you do devwiki? accountplzktnx
Dec 07 19:26:30 Halcy0n	kloeri: perhaps todd as well
Dec 07 19:26:31 cshields	ciaranm: register first and I can bump your privs
Dec 07 19:26:37 ciaranm	genone: mmm, that doesn't narrow it down
Dec 07 19:26:40 Halcy0n	I don't even know what the hell he does since he has no roles.
Dec 07 19:26:47 kloeri	Halcy0n: todd is on my list already
Dec 07 19:26:50 ciaranm	todd does sparc
Dec 07 19:26:54 kloeri	Halcy0n: sparc
Dec 07 19:27:03 Halcy0n	Could someone put that on his roles atleast then?
Dec 07 19:27:03 ciaranm	he's trapped in canada chained to a bed at the moment
Dec 07 19:27:14 Halcy0n	its empty.
Dec 07 19:27:25 cshields	pfeifer: what groups u in?
Dec 07 19:27:40 kloeri	Halcy0n: sure, I'll update his roles
Dec 07 19:27:43 pfeifer	cshields: /query?
Dec 07 19:27:54 ciaranm	cshields: ok, that's me registrarted
Dec 07 19:28:04 cshields	k
Dec 07 19:28:04 cshields	k
Dec 07 19:29:01 marienz	cshields: I just registered, can you activate me while you're at it? :)
Dec 07 19:29:38 *	genone should write this ISDN paper, but doesn't want to
Dec 07 19:29:51 *	ciaranm should mail off the news glep update, but doesn't want to
Dec 07 19:30:09 Halcy0n	kloeri: is popsickle new?
Dec 07 19:30:29 kloeri	Halcy0n: popsickle is being retired according to my list
Dec 07 19:30:33 Halcy0n	kloeri: pkdawson
Dec 07 19:30:35 genone	except that you don't have a strict dealine less than 16 hours away and have to read up on the topic first
Dec 07 19:30:39 kloeri	Halcy0n: todd's roles updated
Dec 07 19:30:42 Halcy0n	I'm just going through all of the people I don't recognize :)
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Dec 07 19:30:56 cshields	ciaranm: done
Dec 07 19:31:03 cshields	marienz: what groups/herds you in?
Dec 07 19:31:10 marienz	cshields: python and portage-dev
Dec 07 19:31:12 malverian	Hmm.. anyone know if it's intended behavior for g-cpan not to create packages for dependencies of perl packages you install?
Dec 07 19:31:14 ciaranm	kloeri: mmm, if you're changing roles... i should really be "Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools, base system, QA, C++"
Dec 07 19:31:20 ciaranm	cshields: thanks
Dec 07 19:31:29 cshields	np
Dec 07 19:31:29 Halcy0n	kloeri: put pbienst on your "radar"
Dec 07 19:31:45 kloeri	Halcy0n: k
Dec 07 19:31:54 Halcy0n	kloeri: nixnut needs some roles too :)  and a GPG id
Dec 07 19:32:24 Halcy0n	Doesn't look like naz has ever done anything either, no idea if he's new.
Dec 07 19:32:32 kloeri	Halcy0n: ok, might be easier if you just email all this to me :)
Dec 07 19:32:39 Halcy0n	kloeri: bah :P
Dec 07 19:32:57 ciaranm	email is for geeks and paedophiles
Dec 07 19:33:04 cshields	marienz: k done
Dec 07 19:33:05 genone	kloeri: out of curiosity, what exactly does it mean if someone is on your list?
Dec 07 19:33:08 marienz	ty
Dec 07 19:33:21 ciaranm	genone: he's got a little list!
Dec 07 19:33:27 ciaranm	they never will be missed
Dec 07 19:33:31 kloeri	genone: no more cookies :)
Dec 07 19:33:48 genone	does that include devsnacks?
Dec 07 19:34:00 kloeri	genone: everybody on my list is going to be retired - criteria is no commits since june
Dec 07 19:34:17 spb	criterion
Dec 07 19:34:23 spb	that was only one of them
Dec 07 19:34:29 malverian	kloeri: Hmm, where is this list?
Dec 07 19:34:32 kloeri	(when I made the list which puts it in a timeframe 1-2 months ago)
Dec 07 19:35:00 ciaranm	kloeri: beu
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Dec 07 19:35:19 kloeri	malverian: on my laptop - I'm not going to publish it either
Dec 07 19:35:42 Halcy0n	kloeri: kzimmerm
Dec 07 19:35:42 Flameeyes	spb, wasn't english known for its simple plural forms? :P
Dec 07 19:35:57 kloeri	ciaranm: yeah, I need to take a look at beu.. not happy about him disappearing
Dec 07 19:36:06 ciaranm	Flameeyes: it's not an english word
Dec 07 19:36:08 kloeri	Halcy0n: on my list already
Dec 07 19:36:17 Flameeyes	ciaranm, thought so
Dec 07 19:36:21 Halcy0n	kloeri: alright, I'm tired of looking now :)
Dec 07 19:36:23 malverian	kloeri: Are you at least going to warn people?
Dec 07 19:36:25 spb	Flameeyes: it is. it's also known for its large number of irregular words, and words borrowed from other languages that bring with them that language's word forms
Dec 07 19:36:27 Halcy0n	Time to go fix crap other people have broken.
Dec 07 19:36:37 Halcy0n	malverian: they will get a warning when their retire bug opens up.
Dec 07 19:36:47 Halcy0n	Why should we warn them if they don't do anything?
Dec 07 19:36:59 ciaranm	Halcy0n: because the script is sometimes wrong
Dec 07 19:37:00 *	malverian shrugs.
Dec 07 19:37:11 kloeri	malverian: sure, when in doubt I always try to contact devs in question and/or their managers
Dec 07 19:37:17 malverian	There are people that have commited large chunks of time to the project, but don't do it constantly.
Dec 07 19:37:32 Halcy0n	ciaranm: I'd check with cvs log/history before trusting CIA 100%
Dec 07 19:37:39 kloeri	malverian: and I always file a bug with them cc'ed and let it sit for a few weeks so they can correct any mistakes I might have made
Dec 07 19:37:39 spb	Flameeyes: criterion bringing with it greek plurals, in case you were wondering
Dec 07 19:37:49 malverian	For example.. my Planeshift/Crystalspace/Cal3d/Cel ebuilds are ridiculous to maintain, but new versions are infrequent.
Dec 07 19:37:50 ciaranm	Halcy0n: it does. and it's still wrong
Dec 07 19:38:04 Flameeyes	spb, i was in doubt between greek and latin
Dec 07 19:38:11 ciaranm	malverian: ideally, if that's all you maintain, it'd be done via proxy
Dec 07 19:38:14 Flameeyes	but not like this question was hindering me from sleeping tonight
Dec 07 19:38:16 kloeri	ciaranm: half script, half me knowing devs -> retire bug
Dec 07 19:38:17 spb	it's on, which is a greek second declension neuter
Dec 07 19:38:26 spb	um->a is latin
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Dec 07 19:38:39 Flameeyes	spb, curriculum/curricula?
Dec 07 19:38:44 spb	latin
Dec 07 19:39:03 Flameeyes	so you're an expert of dead languages...
Dec 07 19:39:08 Flameeyes	greek, latin, proper english...
Dec 07 19:39:26 ciaranm	deer -> deer?
Dec 07 19:39:40 malverian	ciaranm: It's not.
Dec 07 19:39:50 malverian	ciaranm: I'm just giving examples.
Dec 07 19:39:56 spb	ciaranm: that's just a null plural
Dec 07 19:39:59 ciaranm	malverian: hence the qualifier :)
Dec 07 19:40:08 *	malverian nods.
Dec 07 19:40:25 Halcy0n	Hrm, forgot to run my script this morning.
Dec 07 19:40:51 ciaranm	princes -> princess? :)
Dec 07 19:41:05 spb	uh huh
Dec 07 19:41:16 kloeri	malverian: btw, please take over maintaining cal3d and fix the bugs assigned to me :)
Dec 07 19:41:29 Flameeyes	so after megatokyo, uf, iwc, legostar galactica (and pa) which webcomic is suggested here? :P
Dec 07 19:41:34 malverian	kloeri: Heh. Want to reassign them to me?
Dec 07 19:41:34 Flameeyes	ciaranm, funky english?
Dec 07 19:41:34 ciaranm	goose -> gooses (yes, really)
Dec 07 19:41:49 kloeri	malverian: sure, want me to update metadata.xml as well?
Dec 07 19:42:04 malverian	kloeri: Sure.
Dec 07 19:42:05 kloeri	malverian: I've been trying to ignore cal3d for a while.. ;p
Dec 07 19:42:11 malverian	kloeri: I'm about to do another run of updates actually.
Dec 07 19:42:22 malverian	kloeri: So if you want I can do that when I commit the new packages.
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Dec 07 19:42:39 spb	Flameeyes: www.hello-cthulhu.com
Dec 07 19:42:52 kloeri	malverian: sure, I'll just reassign the bugs then
Dec 07 19:42:53 ciaranm	Flameeyes: dilbert
Dec 07 19:43:04 spb	ah yes, dilbert
Dec 07 19:43:13 ciaranm	dieselsweeties used to be funny
Dec 07 19:43:15 spb	any convenient archive of those, btw?
Dec 07 19:43:27 ciaranm	there's an archive on dilbert.com
Dec 07 19:43:38 spb	last i looked the one on dilbert.com was a pita
Dec 07 19:43:40 kloeri	jforman: you broke bugzilla!!!
Dec 07 19:43:41 ciaranm	http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/index.html
Dec 07 19:43:58 *	kloeri kicks jforman :)
Dec 07 19:44:03 Halcy0n	vgcats.com is funny on occassion.
Dec 07 19:44:27 Flameeyes	Halcy0n, ah right vgcats, i started reading it but then got lost the bookmark, thanks for reminding me :)
Dec 07 19:44:46 *	Flameeyes updates the webcomic list and goes reading something from the bed :P
Dec 07 19:44:52 Flameeyes	night all :)
Dec 07 19:44:56 Halcy0n	questionablecontent.net is good too :)
Dec 07 19:45:01 spb	ciaranm: is it just me, or does that only go back a month?
Dec 07 19:45:04 Flameeyes	[well night the ones on near-CET timezones]
Dec 07 19:45:08 ciaranm	spb: hack the url
Dec 07 19:45:09 spb	night Flameeyes
Dec 07 19:45:13 spb	cunning
Dec 07 19:45:17 malverian	Off to a gift exchange.. joy.
Dec 07 19:45:39 *	genone just noticed the paper isn't actually about ISDN but other misc network stuff he doesn't like
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Dec 07 19:46:00 spb	ciaranm: trying that gives error pages
Dec 07 19:46:10 ciaranm	used to work
Dec 07 19:47:33 spb	that's no use
Dec 07 19:47:41 kloeri	jforman: whenever you're around - looks like 'Change several bugs at once' is broken
Dec 07 19:52:37 jforman	kloeri: could you care as to be more verbose as to just 'broken' ?
Dec 07 19:52:48 Halcy0n	spyderous: ping
Dec 07 19:53:20 Halcy0n	spyderous: nevermind, I see what happened.
Dec 07 19:53:43 kloeri	jforman: undef param - can't find param named usemenuforusers at Bugzilla/Config.pm line 150
Dec 07 19:54:04 kloeri	jforman: I get that when I click 'change several ..' on My Bugs page
Dec 07 19:54:06 jforman	oh lovely
Dec 07 19:54:13 jforman	fark, okay
Dec 07 19:54:20 jforman	for now, dont change more than one bug at once ;)
Dec 07 19:54:40 jforman	thats what happens when db uprgades go south...i hopefully will be testing on that in the coming week
Dec 07 19:54:49 Halcy0n	mkay: ping
Dec 07 19:54:57 kloeri	jforman: only needed to change 3 bugs :)
Dec 07 19:56:33 Halcy0n	cshields: still around?
Dec 07 19:57:38 genone	hmm, anyone has dealt with Lenovo already?
Dec 07 19:58:29 pfeifer	hansmi: ping
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Dec 07 20:01:36 az	who got the XvMC support going on nvidia ?
Dec 07 20:01:56 Halcy0n	az: pretty sure Chainsaw got it working.
Dec 07 20:02:07 az	thought it was him
Dec 07 20:02:15 az	ta
Dec 07 20:02:25 Halcy0n	mkay: please fix the keywords on net-im/kadu.  You are bumping the 0.5.0_pre versions right to stable on 3 archs.
Dec 07 20:02:46 cshields	Halcy0n: yes
Dec 07 20:03:27 Halcy0n	cshields: could you please create a GentooQA category or whatever and add Ciaran and myself to it.
Dec 07 20:03:45 Halcy0n	(on the wiki)
Dec 07 20:03:47 araujo	Hello Gentoo!
Dec 07 20:04:47 spb	a QA category?
Dec 07 20:04:54 spb	can i get in on that? ;p
Dec 07 20:05:06 Halcy0n	spb: didn't know you had a wiki account. cshields please add him too :)
Dec 07 20:05:15 spb	should have
Dec 07 20:05:23 spb	no idea if i can remember the password though
Dec 07 20:05:30 cshields	Halcy0n: can you email me that (or ask jforman to do it)..  I'm in a meeting now
Dec 07 20:05:36 cshields	..and it's gettin heated
Dec 07 20:05:37 cshields	heh
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Dec 07 20:05:42 Halcy0n	cshields: heh, alright.
Dec 07 20:05:48 Halcy0n	jforman: could you do that ^^ for me?
Dec 07 20:05:56 jforman	bah
Dec 07 20:06:02 Halcy0n	I love you too sweetheart.
Dec 07 20:06:04 jforman	i cant right now...but  can probably get to it in the morning
Dec 07 20:06:18 Halcy0n	Bah :P  I'll just send you both an email and see you wins the race.
Dec 07 20:06:21 Halcy0n	*who
Dec 07 20:06:22 cshields	k
Dec 07 20:06:23 jforman	heh sounds good
Dec 07 20:07:08 az	hmm, is glx* not yet packaged for modular X ?
Dec 07 20:07:14 az	glxinfo, etc
Dec 07 20:07:48 geoman	!metadata x2x
Dec 07 20:07:52 jeeves	geoman: Package: x11-misc/x2x  Herd: desktop-misc Maintainer: desktop-misc
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Dec 07 20:08:00 geoman	!herd desktop-misc
Dec 07 20:08:00 jeeves	geoman: (desktop-misc) nelchael, pYrania, smithj
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Dec 07 20:08:45 geoman	^^^^ x2x has broken deps
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Dec 07 20:49:36 solar	whats a good way to convert an *.avi into a *.mpeg ?
Dec 07 20:49:49 agaffney	mencoder
Dec 07 20:50:13 solar	what pkg provides that?
Dec 07 20:50:29 genone	mplayer IIRC
Dec 07 20:51:05 ---	nerdboy|off is now known as nerdboy
Dec 07 20:51:11 solar	my mplayer seems to lack such a file
Dec 07 20:51:55 joem	USE=encode needs to be set I think
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Dec 07 20:53:36 solar	thanks
Dec 07 20:54:05 morfic	transcoder works well, still using mplayer as input plugin, would be interesting to see which one is faster
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Dec 07 20:57:07 nerdboy	yo peeps
Dec 07 20:57:56 araujo	nerdboy, y0 y0 y0
Dec 07 20:58:28 araujo	gibot, weather mcbo
Dec 07 20:58:30 gibot	araujo: couldn't retrieve weather
Dec 07 20:58:37 araujo	GenBot, weather mcbo
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Dec 07 20:59:08 araujo	Useless bots.
Dec 07 20:59:47 nerdboy	got an airport code, metar code, or zip code?
Dec 07 21:01:09 Weeve	rl03: ping
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Dec 07 21:02:23 araujo	nerdboy, it works with it?
Dec 07 21:02:30 araujo	useless useless
Dec 07 21:02:40 *	araujo on vacations
Dec 07 21:02:59 nerdboy	araujo: all those codes should work, plus names
Dec 07 21:03:11 araujo	Now let's see ... i am cooperating on gentoo with.... mmmm
Dec 07 21:03:17 araujo	oh yeah, hakell pkgs
Dec 07 21:03:24 nerdboy	!weather mco
Dec 07 21:03:25 gibot	nerdboy: Orlando International, Florida at 9:53 PM EST on December 07, 2005: [Temp: 65 F / 18 C Overcast] [Hum: 93%] [Wind: N/A]
Dec 07 21:03:29 araujo	oh i see
Dec 07 21:03:35 araujo	!weather maracaibo
Dec 07 21:03:35 gibot	araujo: Maracaibo, Venezuela at 10:00 PM VET on December 07, 2005: [Temp: 79 F / 26 C Partly Cloudy] [Hum: 83%] [Wind: N/A]
Dec 07 21:03:40 nerdboy	!weather ksmx
Dec 07 21:03:41 gibot	nerdboy: Santa Maria, California at 6:51 PM PST on December 07, 2005: [Temp: 52 F / 11 C Mostly Cloudy] [Hum: 83%] [Wind: N/A]
Dec 07 21:03:51 araujo	Oh, we'll have a cold night
Dec 07 21:03:52 nerdboy	!weather 92120
Dec 07 21:03:53 gibot	nerdboy: San Diego Montgomery, California at 6:53 PM PST on December 07, 2005: [Temp: 53 F / 12 C Clear] [Hum: 52%] [Wind: N/A]
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Dec 07 21:04:13 joem	looks like a flood :)
Dec 07 21:04:14 araujo	I see, thanks nerdboy
Dec 07 21:04:48 nerdboy	joem: you can never have too much data...
Dec 07 21:04:58 joem	!weather 47401
Dec 07 21:04:59 gibot	joem: Bloomington, Indiana at 9:53 PM EST on December 07, 2005: [Temp: 19 F / -7 C Clear] [Hum: 62%] [Wind: N/A]
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Dec 07 21:27:49 rl03	Weeve: pong
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Dec 07 21:28:08 Weeve	rl03: does the latest phpmyadmin work for you?  I can't even log into the page
Dec 07 21:28:30 rl03	Weeve: it did when i tried it, lemme try again
Dec 07 21:29:03 Weeve	rl03: hrm OK, either trying to do an upgrade or a fresh install fails for me here on two different boxes
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Dec 07 21:29:13 rl03	hmm
Dec 07 21:29:26 *	rl03 goes to check
Dec 07 21:29:40 Weeve	one box arch, the other ~arch
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Dec 07 21:35:38 SuperLag	!weather 64111
Dec 07 21:35:39 gibot	SuperLag: Kansas City, Missouri at 9:18 PM CST on December 07, 2005: [Temp: 12 F / -11 C Snow] [Hum: 85%] [Wind: N/A]
Dec 07 21:35:58 *	SuperLag grumbles
Dec 07 21:36:25 Weeve	that's 11 more degrees than I have right now foo
Dec 07 21:36:45 SuperLag	Weeve: where are you at?
Dec 07 21:36:54 nerdboy	SuperLag: you got our cold front
Dec 07 21:36:54 Weeve	SuperLag: denver area
Dec 07 21:37:01 nerdboy	no snow here tho :)
Dec 07 21:37:12 SuperLag	nerdboy: you suck :)
Dec 07 21:37:14 Weeve	we got a couple inches yesterday
Dec 07 21:37:18 Weeve	should melt tomorrow or saturday
Dec 07 21:37:23 Weeve	or friday even
Dec 07 21:37:31 nerdboy	it's supposed to rain tomorrow and friday
Dec 07 21:37:37 nerdboy	how's that?
Dec 07 21:38:00 Weeve	well sun and higher temperatures normally melt snow...
Dec 07 21:38:31 nerdboy	i mean here in the land of fires, drought, and earth flows
Dec 07 21:38:41 Weeve	oh oh gotcha
Dec 07 21:38:44 Weeve	back home now then?
Dec 07 21:39:06 nerdboy	since the day before thanksgiving
Dec 07 21:39:15 Weeve	oh cool
Dec 07 21:39:47 rl03	Weeve: worksforme
Dec 07 21:40:06 Weeve	rl03: any suggestions for how to debug?
Dec 07 21:40:09 rl03	well
Dec 07 21:40:13 rl03	i've got auth_type: cookie
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Dec 07 21:40:27 rl03	controluser/pass set to my root pwd
Dec 07 21:40:37 rl03	and blowfish_secret needs to be set
Dec 07 21:40:40 rl03	that seems to work here
Dec 07 21:40:43 Weeve	hrm I'm using http
Dec 07 21:40:48 Weeve	since that appears to be the default
Dec 07 21:40:53 rl03	lemme try that
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Dec 07 21:41:20 Weeve	cool thanks
Dec 07 21:41:29 rl03	also works :\
Dec 07 21:41:48 Weeve	did you close your browser out and all that to avoid credential cache?
Dec 07 21:42:04 rl03	basicauth window popped up
Dec 07 21:42:07 rl03	but lemme double check
Dec 07 21:42:14 Weeve	oh ok
Dec 07 21:42:23 rl03	yep
Dec 07 21:42:24 rl03	works
Dec 07 21:43:08 Weeve	what version of mysql?
Dec 07 21:43:09 rl03	maybe something to do with controluser/pass (pma + random generated pwd)?
Dec 07 21:43:14 rl03	4.0.25
Dec 07 21:43:23 Weeve	ah I'm on 4.1 and 5.something
Dec 07 21:43:40 rl03	oh
Dec 07 21:43:46 rl03	i haven't bothered to upgrade
Dec 07 21:44:14 Weeve	hoping those who already that have stablized have tested
Dec 07 21:44:19 rl03	yah
Dec 07 21:44:31 rl03	what's the problem though? doesn't recognize the passwd?
Dec 07 21:45:04 Weeve	yeah basically
Dec 07 21:45:07 rl03	hrm
Dec 07 21:45:10 rl03	not sure
Dec 07 21:45:12 Weeve	acts like it's a bad username or password
Dec 07 21:45:33 rl03	weird
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Dec 07 21:45:58 rl03	i should really upgrade my mysql
Dec 07 21:47:36 rl03	Weeve: alright, i gotta go to bed. i'll try to take another look tomorrow
Dec 07 21:56:14 Weeve	ok cool
Dec 07 21:56:44 steev	hmm
Dec 07 21:57:24 *	Cardoe ponders GTK# or Windows.Forms
Dec 07 21:57:38 Cardoe	app is gonna be for Windows & Linux users
Dec 07 21:58:14 antarus	Windows.Forms being mono?
Dec 07 21:58:37 steev	hmm
Dec 07 21:58:49 steev	maybe i should just download a new cd and burn it
Dec 07 21:59:26 Cardoe	antarus: yes
Dec 07 21:59:42 Cardoe	well Windows.Forms being .NET on Windows basically
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Dec 07 21:59:47 *	antarus nods
Dec 07 21:59:49 Cardoe	but Mono is really starting to get good support
Dec 07 22:00:03 antarus	Mono doesn't have Forms done last I read..
Dec 07 22:00:29 Cardoe	it doesn't
Dec 07 22:00:33 Cardoe	but it's getting there
Dec 07 22:00:37 *	antarus nods
Dec 07 22:02:01 Halcy0n	spyderous: ping
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Dec 07 22:19:28 ciaranm	anyone have a c++ compiler other than g++/egcs?
Dec 07 22:23:08 Halcy0n	recruiters, ping
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Dec 07 22:23:57 Halcy0n	We should really have a !function <group> to make pinging them easier.
Dec 07 22:24:45 cshields	we should give everyone email so they can have messages held for them...   or a bug tracking system so those requests don't get lost
Dec 07 22:24:48 cshields	;)
Dec 07 22:25:04 Halcy0n	cshields: quiet you, go create my wiki page :)
Dec 07 22:25:09 jforman	cshields: but that would require a large database, or some sort of free hosting facility
Dec 07 22:25:17 cshields	ahh  thanks for the reminder.  I have some time now
Dec 07 22:25:21 Halcy0n	jforman: you too
Dec 07 22:25:24 Halcy0n	Off to the races.
Dec 07 22:25:32 cshields	what group?
Dec 07 22:25:37 Halcy0n	QA?
Dec 07 22:25:40 cshields	(sorry, don't have my gentoo mail setup here)
Dec 07 22:25:41 cshields	k
Dec 07 22:25:46 cshields	you and ciaranm
Dec 07 22:25:49 Halcy0n	and spb
Dec 07 22:27:25 solar	what would !function <group> do?
Dec 07 22:27:36 tsunam	mass email everyone? ^.^
Dec 07 22:27:43 Halcy0n	solar: function is some arbitrary name that I didn't care to think of :)
Dec 07 22:28:00 Halcy0n	!proj devrel  to get their member listing :)
Dec 07 22:28:01 antarus	I think marienz was working on something for that
Dec 07 22:28:38 solar	show me an .xml page where !function members are defined.
Dec 07 22:29:35 Halcy0n	htdocs/proj/en/devrel/index.xml
Dec 07 22:29:58 nerdboy	one page like herds would probably be better...
Dec 07 22:30:05 solar	who other than !function has pages setup like that (other than herds)
Dec 07 22:30:19 nerdboy	proj.xml has a nice ring to it
Dec 07 22:30:21 Halcy0n	infra?
Dec 07 22:30:24 solar	yeah a single page would be best.
Dec 07 22:30:44 Halcy0n	It'd just be nice to have all of it somewhere to either query or for reference sake.
Dec 07 22:32:11 dostrow	Halcy0n: problem being that you would need both herds/groups and sub-herds/sub-groups to catch things like recruiters
Dec 07 22:32:33 Halcy0n	dostrow: true, shouldn't be that hard though.
Dec 07 22:32:40 dostrow	indeed
Dec 07 22:33:21 solar	well if you can gather the info I'm sure we can get it piped from a page easy enough
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Dec 07 22:37:13 genone	ideally all that stuff should be in ldap
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Dec 07 22:39:04 cshields	Halcy0n, ciaranm, spb: done.  you guys can see/edit the GentooQA page as a jump-off point.  beyond that, read SecuringPages for new pages you make
Dec 07 22:39:24 cshields	jforman: ^^  (got it)
Dec 07 22:39:34 cshields	(or rather, beat your ass to it)
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Dec 07 22:40:45 dostrow	cshields: I don't want to know what you do to jforman's ass (beating it or otherwise) kthanksbye
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Dec 07 22:45:54 Halcy0n	cshields: thanks.
Dec 07 22:46:49 cshields	dostrow: don't play coy...  I learned it from you
Dec 07 22:47:31 dostrow	cshields: s'why I don't want to hear about it...it makes me jealous
Dec 07 22:48:15 cshields	wtf is it with hotels??  a simple 20oz bottle of water for $3.50, but yet they give you a coffee maker, coffee and tea for free?
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Dec 07 22:59:05 steev	MetalGOD: ping
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Dec 07 23:04:18 steev	anyone know where banshee keeps its settings
Dec 07 23:04:51 steev	nevermind, found it
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Dec 07 23:07:14 steev	MetalGOD: ping still stands though
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Dec 07 23:32:31 Redhatter	!meta x11-libs/Xaw3d
Dec 07 23:32:33 jeeves	Redhatter: Package: x11-libs/Xaw3d Metadata: missing? candidate for tree removal ChangeLog: 3 agriffis, 2 usata, 2 geoman, 2 tgall, 1 gbevin, 1 gmsoft, 1 manson, 1 gerk, 1 mkennedy, 1 brad_mssw, 1 aliz,
Dec 07 23:33:17 Redhatter	^^ ping... http://pastebin.ca/32924 seems someone forgot to DEPEND=".. x11-misc/xmkmf..."
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Dec 07 23:38:36 Redhatter	http://pastebin.ca/32925 <-- and gccmakedep too it seems
Dec 07 23:40:57 Redhatter	Gah... wrong vcs device... okay, http://pastebin.ca/32926 is the other error.
Dec 07 23:41:02 dostrow	Redhatter: gccmakedep is a tough one as it doesn't exist yet
Dec 07 23:41:14 dostrow	modularized that is
Dec 07 23:41:19 Redhatter	dostrow, Ahh okay... so what's the work around?
Dec 07 23:41:28 dostrow	copy it from an old install
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Dec 07 23:42:07 Redhatter	Right.  Ahh well... hopefully I'm assisting by finding all these bugs. :-D
Dec 07 23:42:25 *	Redhatter digs up his old Xorg 6.8.2 tarball
Dec 07 23:46:28 dostrow	Redhatter: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4807 for your reference
Dec 07 23:46:42 Redhatter	dostrow, Cheers
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Dec 07 23:47:59 Redhatter	Well.. thankfully xmkmf is modularised, so I spose that should be put into the Xaw3d ebuild?
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Dec 07 23:48:51 dostrow	Redhatter: Xaw3d doesn't look like it has been prepped at all for modular X
Dec 07 23:49:05 Redhatter	dostrow, Indeed.
Dec 07 23:49:08 dostrow	only has one dep (virtual/x11)
Dec 07 23:49:38 Redhatter	Any complaints if I add that dep?  (squash a bug before it goes biting people)
Dec 07 23:50:16 dostrow	I'd only do it if you were going to add all the modular deps at once (short of gccmakedep that is)
Dec 07 23:50:34 dostrow	but hey, I'm not the maintainer
Dec 07 23:51:04 Redhatter	Ohh wait a sec... this Xaw3D, is it used by monolithic X too?
Dec 07 23:51:35 dostrow	*shrug*
Dec 07 23:51:41 Redhatter	hasn't been touched since October... I think it might.
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Dec 08 00:57:58 Pylon	joem: pong
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Dec 08 01:03:54 spyderous	Halcy0n: pong
Dec 08 01:04:19 spyderous	cshields: pong
Dec 08 01:04:45 spyderous	az: exactly, you got it figured out. the bump to 8 was for xprint stuff.
Dec 08 01:05:00 Halcy0n	spyderous: I don't know anything about hardened, which your issue with gcc-4.1 is related to.
Dec 08 01:05:27 spyderous	Halcy0n: i don't use hardened. i just have -fstack-protector in CFLAGS.
Dec 08 01:05:48 Halcy0n	spyderous: that's related to hardened, so you use hardened as far as I'm concerned :)
Dec 08 01:05:56 spyderous	bah
Dec 08 01:06:09 Halcy0n	Sticking -fstack-protector in CFLAGS is broken if I remember correctly.
Dec 08 01:06:14 spyderous	so apparently gcc does some broken automatic by detecting CFLAGS?
Dec 08 01:06:29 spyderous	heh call it broken if you want, but i've been doing it for a year and it works great.
Dec 08 01:06:35 Halcy0n	The SSP symbols are different from 3.x->4.0.
Dec 08 01:06:39 Halcy0n	4.x rather
Dec 08 01:06:55 Halcy0n	I have no idea what is involved with fixing that, since I don't support SSP myself.
Dec 08 01:07:49 spyderous	i don't want or care about the pie part, which is the other bit of what hardened gives
Dec 08 01:08:08 cshields	spyderous: so I was gonna poke you about the diskless laptop experience as mine is heading south..  but then I tried a knoppix cd and got assloads of IDE errors, so I'm guessing it's not so much an HD issue as an ide chipset issue  :|
Dec 08 01:08:16 Halcy0n	spyderous: hardenednopie profile then :)
Dec 08 01:08:30 spyderous	Halcy0n: why? what's the point
Dec 08 01:08:49 spyderous	i should just be able to specify valid CFLAGS in CFLAGS and have it work
Dec 08 01:09:01 spyderous	cshields: heh, try the gentoo 2005-r1 installer cd
Dec 08 01:09:15 Halcy0n	spyderous: I don't know, I don't support hardened :)
Dec 08 01:10:06 cshields	spyderous: missed the point, cd's aren't working either
Dec 08 01:10:46 Halcy0n	spyderous: talk to solar about it.
Dec 08 01:10:51 joem	Pylon: sorry to bug again, but if you have time can you set up gnome herd with svn(info in bug 95277 )
Dec 08 01:10:54 GenBot	joem: Bug 95277; "SVN repositories collection"; [Gentoo Infrastructure :: Other]; {ASSIGNED}; Lars Weiler->Gentoo Infrastructure; http://bugs.gentoo.org/95277
Dec 08 01:10:54 Halcy0n	I don't think they care at all about gcc-4 yet though.
Dec 08 01:12:51 spyderous	cshields: no, i was just suggesting that the knoppix cd could be broken and also tries a lot more weird stuff than ours
Dec 08 01:13:24 cshields	oh, sure..
Dec 08 01:13:42 r2d2	http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100689
Dec 08 01:13:45 GenBot	r2d2: Bug 100689; "(highly experimental) hardened gcc 4.0.x"; [Gentoo Linux :: Hardened]; {NEW}; Christophe Saout->The Gentoo Linux Hardened Team
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Dec 08 01:44:10 drobbins	hiya
Dec 08 01:46:28 joem	hi drobbins
Dec 08 01:46:34 drobbins	hiya joem
Dec 08 01:46:41 joem	whats new?
Dec 08 01:47:25 fox2mike	hola guys
Dec 08 01:47:28 fox2mike	http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/162669/4da8e19f0a8e228b/
Dec 08 01:47:49 fox2mike	interesting read  ^
Dec 08 01:47:58 fox2mike	Interestingly, the distribution most in evidence at FOSS.IN was Gentoo, rather than one of the products of the commercial distributors who are steadily employing more developers in Bangalore.
Dec 08 01:48:04 fox2mike	w00t
Dec 08 01:48:14 joem	neat
Dec 08 01:48:16 fox2mike	seemant: read the last 4 lines or so above this mark
Dec 08 01:48:51 fox2mike	Gentoo ran the show :)
Dec 08 01:50:12 drobbins	cool
Dec 08 01:50:39 fox2mike	drobbins: yeah, I'm like dancing away
Dec 08 01:51:19 fox2mike	drobbins: and we had atleast over a 100 folks attend the Gentoo track
Dec 08 01:51:49 drobbins	nice
Dec 08 01:52:03 fox2mike	and _lots_ of people were curious about us
Dec 08 01:52:12 drobbins	neat
Dec 08 01:53:13 fox2mike	yup, and the most asked question was "How is Gentoo different from FC" :) so seemant wrote this up - > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fox2mike/70862205/
Dec 08 01:55:56 drobbins	fox2mike: looking through your photos
Dec 08 01:56:49 fox2mike	drobbins: please do, have very few photos though..the others would be at http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/fossin2005/
Dec 08 01:57:26 drobbins	india looks really beautiful
Dec 08 01:58:22 fox2mike	you should come down sometime :)
Dec 08 01:58:32 joem	heh where can we get gentoo posters?
Dec 08 01:59:15 fox2mike	joem: http://store.gentoo.org
Dec 08 01:59:58 fox2mike	joem: the foundation was kind enough to approve the funding request and that included that BIG white poster
Dec 08 02:00:10 fox2mike	the rest of it we got it designed and made locally here
Dec 08 02:00:15 fox2mike	except the one we printed off the forums
Dec 08 02:00:23 joem	22 dollars thats crazy
Dec 08 02:01:21 r2d2	welcome to the world of one-off custom printing
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Dec 08 02:07:43 drobbins	fox2mike: I should
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Dec 08 02:08:27 fox2mike	drobbins: you big boss is coming down here tomm, to that very same venue :)
Dec 08 02:08:33 fox2mike	s/you/your
Dec 08 02:08:37 drobbins	ah
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Dec 08 02:14:12 nerdboy	night ppl
Dec 08 02:14:28 drobbins	gnite
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Dec 08 02:19:40 araujo	fox2mike, i wonder if he got enough bucks to pay for the flight ticket
Dec 08 02:19:57 fox2mike	who?
Dec 08 02:20:13 araujo	fox2mike, the drobbins's boss
Dec 08 02:20:26 hansmi	pfeifer: pong
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Dec 08 02:21:36 fox2mike	araujo: oh well, he'll fly down in his private jet or something
Dec 08 02:21:50 fox2mike	araujo: he does something similar every year.
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Dec 08 02:21:55 fox2mike	just after our event
Dec 08 02:26:03 araujo	poor guy
Dec 08 02:26:33 fox2mike	araujo: he keeps trying :)
Dec 08 02:27:31 *	araujo wonders if fox2mike is gonna be hired by m$ too
Dec 08 02:29:16 fox2mike	araujo: at this point in time, I don't think I'll accept an offer of any kind from m$ :p
Dec 08 02:31:00 drobbins	if you work here, get on the right team
Dec 08 02:31:08 drobbins	lots of the teams here are messed up
Dec 08 02:31:15 araujo	fox2mike, Your having lot of IT investments over there right?
Dec 08 02:33:24 fox2mike	araujo: M$ specifically announced a $1.7 billion investment program in India over the next 4 years
Dec 08 02:33:28 zzam	someone here with dvb-hardware on platforms other than x86 and amd64?
Dec 08 02:35:02 zzam	or someone who can keyword packets for ~alpha ~ia64 or ~ppc
Dec 08 02:35:42 araujo	drobbins, i imagine the Gentoo team is the only that rules?
Dec 08 02:36:07 araujo	fox2mike, i know
Dec 08 02:36:11 araujo	fox2mike, that kind of news roll over the world quickly.
Dec 08 02:36:26 fox2mike	araujo: and he's doing that for one reason :)
Dec 08 02:36:27 zzam	primary its about media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-headers
Dec 08 02:36:47 araujo	fox2mike, To take over .in ? :-P
Dec 08 02:36:57 fox2mike	lol
Dec 08 02:37:19 fox2mike	araujo: he can't literally :p all the important .in's run apache :))
Dec 08 02:37:26 araujo	haha
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Dec 08 02:58:44 drobbins	nite nite
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Dec 08 03:00:16 Halcy0n	zzam: ping
Dec 08 03:00:27 zzam	Halcy0n: pong
Dec 08 03:00:39 Halcy0n	zzam: /query?
Dec 08 03:00:44 zzam	Halcy0n: ok
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Dec 08 03:35:59 mkay	Halcy0n: right.. my fault. but they're masked anyway, so it won't be installed automatically on any system (thus propably i haven't checked that correctly;/)
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Dec 08 03:38:26 Halcy0n	mkay: yea, still should be ~arch though :)
Dec 08 03:41:32 brix	morn
Dec 08 03:41:52 mkay	Halcy0n: i know;> i'll fix them in minute;] just wanted to tell that i didn't brake anyone's system with that commits;>
Dec 08 03:42:24 tigger^	kevquinn: I have nothing to do with gcc etc anymore :)
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Dec 08 03:57:43 UberLord	morning *
Dec 08 03:57:43 UberLord	brix: I was able to get wpa_supplicant-0.4.5 working again - and everthing works regarding positive and negative association timeout
Dec 08 03:57:59 brix	UberLord: odd
Dec 08 03:58:07 brix	UberLord: glad you got it working though :)
Dec 08 03:58:12 UberLord	heh me 2
Dec 08 03:58:21 UberLord	0.4.6 and 0.4.7 all fail btw
Dec 08 03:58:38 brix	the versions in portage doesn't support madwifi
Dec 08 03:58:51 UberLord	I thought 0.4.6 did? ah well
Dec 08 03:59:01 brix	you need the one from my overlay - along with the madwifi drivers from my overlay
Dec 08 03:59:06 UberLord	you take 0.4.5 out of the tree and I'll remove your family jewels
Dec 08 03:59:11 brix	but I can't get it working myself
Dec 08 03:59:16 UberLord	does it work on amd64 yet?
Dec 08 03:59:20 brix	UberLord: heh - it will stay
Dec 08 03:59:24 brix	UberLord: nope
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Dec 08 04:00:02 brix	UberLord: but I do plan on marking hostap*-0.4.7 stable at the end of december - along with wpa_supplicant
Dec 08 04:00:09 brix	madwifi support or not
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Dec 08 04:01:13 UberLord	brix: that is fine, just leave 0.4.5 available :)
Dec 08 04:01:16 brix	cshields: got my email? :)
Dec 08 04:01:22 brix	UberLord: of course
Dec 08 04:01:41 brix	I might mark that stable as well
Dec 08 04:01:47 brix	oh - no
Dec 08 04:02:00 brix	it depends on madwifi-driver which isn't stable
Dec 08 04:02:09 brix	it will stay ~ARCH
Dec 08 04:02:13 UberLord	hehehe
Dec 08 04:05:07 lu_zero	hi
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Dec 08 04:11:34 brix	what's the correct way of handling an application which has optional qt-3*/qt-4* support?
Dec 08 04:12:08 brix	just compile against qt-4* if available and USE=qt?
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Dec 08 04:21:42 *	amir_ bows
Dec 08 04:21:52 amir_	morning everybody
Dec 08 04:22:06 amir_	does someone know if we have a good upnp server in the tree?
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Dec 08 04:23:06 amir_	or better, does someone know if there _is_ a good non-comercial upnp server for linux
Dec 08 04:23:09 amir_	?
Dec 08 04:26:41 DerCorny	well, i know that intel released an sdk for upnp, afair it's in portage, too ... but not sure about servers
Dec 08 04:27:13 brix	!herdqt
Dec 08 04:27:15 brix	!herd qt
Dec 08 04:27:16 jeeves	brix: (qt) caleb, carlo, greg_g
Dec 08 04:27:37 brix	sheesh
Dec 08 04:27:46 brix	and none of them are online
Dec 08 04:27:55 UberLord	bummer
Dec 08 04:28:34 UberLord	brix: does it compile against both qt3 and qt4?
Dec 08 04:29:07 amir_	DerCorny: i did not find any servers except for linux-igd in the tree
Dec 08 04:29:39 brix	UberLord: I need to dive into either of two dirs based on which qt version is available
Dec 08 04:30:05 amir_	DerCorny: there seems to exist a server named ushare at http://ushare.geexbox.org/, but we don't have it in the tree
Dec 08 04:30:08 brix	problem is that `qmake` is not versionated
Dec 08 04:30:57 UberLord	brix: so  why not just depend on qt (any version) and dive into 4 if they have 4, otherwise 3?
Dec 08 04:33:47 brix	that's what I plan to do
Dec 08 04:34:05 brix	just wanted to hear the qt herd if there were any rules about this
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Dec 08 04:43:45 UberLord	brix: why don't you just do that so it's working in your overlay and email them - no rush is there?
Dec 08 04:44:07 brix	no rush
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Dec 08 04:44:45 brix	just want to get this cleared away as soon as possible so it will receive testing before 0.4.7 goes stable
Dec 08 04:47:17 brix	brad[]: ping
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Dec 08 05:12:50 BleSS	is there any genkernel developer? I would to know how it can install modules in another directory? (--module-prefix)
Dec 08 05:16:46 jakub	not that I'd know of...
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Dec 08 05:21:40 BleSS	anybody knows who has developed genkernel? i don't find information about credits in --help neither gentoo.org
Dec 08 05:22:30 beejay|off	BleSS: genkernel is like a hooker with a mask on its face
Dec 08 05:22:41 beejay|off	BleSS: everybody is allowed to jump on it
Dec 08 05:22:45 beejay|off	mostly guys from releng
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Dec 08 05:23:00 beejay|off	and from these guys, plasmaroo is probably the man you're looking for.
Dec 08 05:23:08 BleSS	thanks
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Dec 08 05:26:14 beejay|off	look! Dschinghis Schraal is back!
Dec 08 05:28:01 foser	sounds like genghis khan
Dec 08 05:28:35 fox2mike	foser: I was thinking the same thing
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Dec 08 07:04:14 johnm	I know there was an email going round.. but did anyone get a semi-decent list of companies using gentoo in a production environment?
Dec 08 07:04:46 dsd_	wolf31o2 has the results of usage-feedback in his homedir
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Dec 08 07:07:13 az	spyderous: any idea on what distro xorg is packaged ? (modular version btw)
Dec 08 07:08:15 johnm	dsd_: was that in response to me btw?
Dec 08 07:08:20 dsd_	johnm: yes
Dec 08 07:08:33 johnm	dsd_: ah, ok. thanks.
Dec 08 07:09:02 johnm	dsd_: webspace or home on toucan?
Dec 08 07:09:09 dsd_	home i think
Dec 08 07:09:36 johnm	dsd_: ah.. found an mbox file for it. thanks
Dec 08 07:10:29 johnm	anyone happen to know of a cli mail tool which can attach files? :)
Dec 08 07:10:32 johnm	(not mutt)
Dec 08 07:10:35 Ticho	email
Dec 08 07:10:51 Ticho	or perhaps swaks too, but email is teh r0xx
Dec 08 07:11:02 johnm	Ticho: do either exist on toucan? :)
Dec 08 07:11:13 Ticho	i doubt that :>
Dec 08 07:11:22 johnm	actually.. can possibly ssh it if I change a few things. nm
Dec 08 07:11:35 Ticho	email should definitely be installed there, though - it's a rather useful tool
Dec 08 07:12:04 johnm	I've loved mailx for years, but it does lack somewhat
Dec 08 07:12:14 Ticho	email is mailx on steroids :>
Dec 08 07:12:51 johnm	:)
Dec 08 07:13:13 Ticho	hm, nail (mailx replacement) seems to handle file attaching as well, but it's not on toucan either
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Dec 08 07:15:36 johnm	man I hate windows
Dec 08 07:15:42 johnm	nothing decent to read mbox files with
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Dec 08 07:20:39 az	axxo: any idea on what distro xorg release tarballs are packaged ? (modular version btw)
Dec 08 07:21:01 axxo	wrong person, i don't have anything todo with xorg
Dec 08 07:21:14 axxo	you may want alex or whats his name
Dec 08 07:21:27 az	err, whoops :)
Dec 08 07:21:36 az	ajax i think
Dec 08 07:21:43 az	ajax: any idea on what distro xorg release tarballs are packaged ? (modular version btw)
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Dec 08 07:55:13 cryos_laptop	Any gurus on linking and ld around? I get qtiplot failing to find libGL.so.1 on one system, but not another. Anyone know where to start debugging this one? The files are there and in the right places on both systems.
Dec 08 07:57:10 phreak``	!herd kde
Dec 08 07:57:10 jeeves	phreak``: (kde) caleb, carlo, centic, cryos, flameeyes, greg_g, motaboy
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Dec 08 07:57:37 cryos_laptop	phreak``: ?
Dec 08 07:58:13 phreak``	cryos_laptop: mind you changing "cient" into "client" in the DESCRIPTION of krdc ?!
Dec 08 07:58:53 cryos_laptop	phreak``: That shouldn't be any trouble - I will take a look.
Dec 08 07:59:19 phreak``	yah :) just saw it while looking for it in eix ;)
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Dec 08 08:01:21 cryos_laptop	Can't log in to my box at home though, so it could take a while...
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Dec 08 08:02:15 cryos_laptop	I will try to remember to do it tonight - looks like my box at home has locked up or is off the net.
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Dec 08 08:11:08 az	hmm, aparently modular xorg goes and screws around with the buttons of my mouse
Dec 08 08:11:12 UberLord	cryos_laptop: sounds like it's an env.d issue with either *opengl or *ati looking in the wrong directory
Dec 08 08:12:01 UberLord	az: I have same issue - it things my mouse has 11 buttons even though I've told it that it only has 7 and the latest xorg-server rc breaks eternal lands mouse clicking
Dec 08 08:12:15 az	yeah
Dec 08 08:12:23 az	pointer = 1 2 3 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11
Dec 08 08:12:27 az	^^ seems to map it fine
Dec 08 08:12:41 dams	http://damz.net/gentoo_forums_stats/
Dec 08 08:12:50 dams	</advertising>
Dec 08 08:13:05 UberLord	az: does your modmap actually work though? Mine's reported as mapped, but doesn't make any real difference
Dec 08 08:13:08 Herbs	cryos_laptop: see bug 109922 , I bet one system has lib64 -> lib and the other lib -> lib64 right?
Dec 08 08:13:10 GenBot	Herbs: Bug 109922; "eselect-opengl points GL headers at emul libraries on amd64."; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Ben Skeggs->Jeremy Huddleston; http://bugs.gentoo.org/109922
Dec 08 08:13:16 az	UberLord: yeah, it does
Dec 08 08:13:25 UberLord	Herbs: or he's missing xorg from the module path
Dec 08 08:13:29 pfeifer	hansmi: ping
Dec 08 08:13:33 UberLord	az: grrr, mine do not :/
Dec 08 08:13:35 az	UberLord: but i got 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap &' in my .xinitrc
Dec 08 08:14:09 UberLord	az: I do that by hand and it's reportedly worked (xmodmap -pp to check) but it makes no diff :/ cannot map Z axis to 6 7
Dec 08 08:14:09 az	dont seem to load any other way
Dec 08 08:14:22 UberLord	manually in console works for me
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Dec 08 08:14:23 UberLord	:)
Dec 08 08:14:51 az	UberLord: what mouse ?
Dec 08 08:15:01 UberLord	ms intelliexploer
Dec 08 08:15:04 UberLord	usb variant
Dec 08 08:15:05 Betelgeuse	UberLord: mdoular X?
Dec 08 08:15:12 UberLord	Betelgeuse: yes
Dec 08 08:15:20 az	i got ExplorerPS/2
Dec 08 08:15:27 az	and my map is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4trzLW16.html
Dec 08 08:15:28 Betelgeuse	UberLord: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4212
Dec 08 08:15:31 UberLord	Betelgeuse: you gave me a patch a while back - did't fix it
Dec 08 08:15:49 az	uberlord: with the new input crap, you gotta swap 6 with 8, and 7 with 9
Dec 08 08:16:05 hansmi	pfeifer: pong
Dec 08 08:16:09 UberLord	az: I do? that blows
Dec 08 08:16:10 Betelgeuse	UberLord: did you remember to run autotools again?
Dec 08 08:16:28 UberLord	Betelgeuse: uh? I just wanged it into the ebuild - and it's supposedly in rc3
Dec 08 08:16:37 az	UberLord: like i said, changing my pointer line to: pointer = 1 2 3 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11
Dec 08 08:16:42 az	fixed it
Dec 08 08:16:44 UberLord	ah
Dec 08 08:16:51 pfeifer	hansmi: just curious if you could look @ strongswan-2.5.7 and see if it could go stable on ppc. i want to remove 2.5.0.
Dec 08 08:16:56 az	it was always: pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5
Dec 08 08:17:04 pfeifer	no bugs in over 3 weeks
Dec 08 08:17:09 UberLord	az: mine also
Dec 08 08:17:11 Betelgeuse	UberLord: Well you can test if your xmodmap is working at all by pointer = 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Dec 08 08:17:21 pfeifer	(and none of my ppc hardware is currently running linux so i cannot test)
Dec 08 08:17:37 hansmi	pfeifer: I can't test it beside compiling
Dec 08 08:18:10 az	new nvidia drivers seem to have improved performance a tad
Dec 08 08:18:11 Betelgeuse	UberLord: I don't think the patch is in rc3.
Dec 08 08:18:17 UberLord	I'll try rc3 again tonight then
Dec 08 08:18:31 pfeifer	hansmi: ah. i just saw you marked 2.5.0 stable back in sep. hmmm.. maybe i need to install linux on one of my ppcs.
Dec 08 08:18:38 Betelgeuse	UberLord: but xorg-server has not seen a new version in a while
Dec 08 08:18:57 UberLord	rc3 messes with eternal lands anyway - can click to move fine, but interactive pointer is in totally the wrong place like somethings moved a virtual 12 feet in a random direction
Dec 08 08:20:25 Config	agriffis, ping
Dec 08 08:21:33 az	Betelgeuse: aparently that fix is wrong according to comment #35
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Dec 08 08:23:40 Betelgeuse	az: Well it just does the same thing as the monolithic but the xorg-devs want to have a better implementation this time as far as I understand it.
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Dec 08 08:24:15 UberLord	Betelgeuse: it's also wrong according to me - and there's no mention of any re-autotool nonsence in any comments
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Dec 08 08:24:33 UberLord	wrong as in does not fix my issue
Dec 08 08:25:22 Betelgeuse	UberLord: Well I remember that it did not work the first time but then I did something and it worked.
Dec 08 08:25:41 UberLord	what did you do?
Dec 08 08:25:45 cryos_laptop	UberLord: It is using the xorg-x11 opengl... But I have checked out env.d and it looks OK to me.
Dec 08 08:26:00 cryos_laptop	Herbs: Just checking that now - could be as the system where it is broken is older.
Dec 08 08:26:17 Betelgeuse	UberLord: Let me check if I remember.
Dec 08 08:26:52 UberLord	and does anyone get segfaults on amd64 with xorg-x11 opengl? or is it that the r300 experiment stuff is so experimental it just segfaults?
Dec 08 08:27:41 cryos_laptop	Herbs: lib -> lib64 on the working, and lib64 -> lib on the broken...
Dec 08 08:27:58 marienz	I had some wonkyness with the r300 driver, reverted to fglrx and things became more stable
Dec 08 08:28:21 marienz	wonkyness as in right-clicking in firefox tended to lock up X
Dec 08 08:28:37 UberLord	marienz: did you test any ogl apps?
Dec 08 08:28:42 UberLord	with the r300
Dec 08 08:28:43 marienz	I didn't dare to
Dec 08 08:28:44 UberLord	driver
Dec 08 08:28:46 UberLord	heh
Dec 08 08:28:49 UberLord	segfault city
Dec 08 08:28:54 marienz	did with rc1 and they usually worked
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Dec 08 08:29:06 Betelgeuse	UberLord: well the patch changes Makefile.am so you might need to regenerate Makefile.in.
Dec 08 08:29:08 marienz	and if they didn't they usually just crashed themselves, didn't bring down X often
Dec 08 08:29:40 Herbs	cryos_laptop: yeah, that's a problem with eselect, look at /etc/env.d/03opengl. I think you'll find that eselect has not added /usr/lib64/optgl/nvidia/lib to your LDPATH
Dec 08 08:29:42 marienz	problem with rc3 is it tended to bring down the system enough that I needed to hard reset it, and I don't like debugging that sort of thing
Dec 08 08:31:10 cryos_laptop	Herbs: Yeah it just has lib32 is in there worryingly.
Dec 08 08:31:16 seemant	!seen augustus
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Dec 08 08:32:27 cryos_laptop	Herbs: That's better - I just get a segfault now :(
Dec 08 08:32:42 Herbs	lol
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Dec 08 08:33:06 cryos_laptop	It is linking though - that is a nasty bug, couldn't find anything in bugzilla.
Dec 08 08:34:11 cryos_laptop	We want the lib64 -> lib link, so that should work...
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Dec 08 08:36:10 tigger^	ey cryos_laptop
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Dec 08 08:39:08 cryos_laptop	Hi tigger^
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Dec 08 08:42:47 UberLord	cryos_laptop: there's an open bug on it - I even provided a kludgy patch that Works For Me
Dec 08 08:42:57 UberLord	bug #109922
Dec 08 08:43:00 GenBot	UberLord: Bug 109922; "eselect-opengl points GL headers at emul libraries on amd64."; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; Ben Skeggs->Jeremy Huddleston; http://bugs.gentoo.org/109922
Dec 08 08:43:10 cryos_laptop	UberLord: I will keep an eye on it.
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Dec 08 08:52:41 tigger^	cryos_laptop: how's married life treating ya?
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Dec 08 08:53:50 cryos_laptop	tigger^: OK I suppose ;)
Dec 08 08:54:00 cryos_laptop	(She makes me say that)
Dec 08 08:54:07 tigger^	haha
Dec 08 08:54:20 tigger^	I didn't notice a difference tbh
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Dec 08 08:54:25 dams	cryos_laptop: at least you can still go on irc
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Dec 08 08:55:08 cryos_laptop	Yeah :) I haven't really noticed much differece, although we are still paying for it and I don't have a motobike :(
Dec 08 08:55:19 tigger^	:/
Dec 08 08:55:54 cryos_laptop	And my PhD is over in 9 months - need to find a job... But we are married so it should be easier to emigrate.
Dec 08 08:56:17 tigger^	to where?
Dec 08 08:56:55 cryos_laptop	Hoping for Canada or California, but also looking at New Zealand and Australia.
Dec 08 08:57:00 *	tigger^ nods
Dec 08 08:57:11 tigger^	We consider oz every now and again
Dec 08 08:57:25 tigger^	bit wary of america becuase of knowing who is there, kurt/lance/jeff etc
Dec 08 08:57:28 tigger^	scary place
Dec 08 08:57:49 cryos_laptop	They want skilled workers right now. I am a little wary of the US, but lived in California for 3 months and really enjoyed it.
Dec 08 08:57:54 *	tigger^ nods
Dec 08 08:58:11 tigger^	We figured out we could get into Oz insofar as the points system
Dec 08 08:58:27 tigger^	Just being that far away from family meant we couldn't do it in the end
Dec 08 08:58:46 tigger^	My wife's grandad was ill, and so on
Dec 08 08:59:23 cryos_laptop	That would be OK for us, but is one of the reasons that Canada/US is more attractive.
Dec 08 08:59:33 tigger^	yeah
Dec 08 08:59:38 tigger^	Canada is a tad closer ;)
Dec 08 08:59:44 tigger^	8 vs 24 hours
Dec 08 08:59:50 cryos_laptop	Reason I stayed here to do a PhD is because my little brother died in my final year, but we would like to move away now.
Dec 08 08:59:55 tigger^	:(
Dec 08 09:00:31 cryos_laptop	So I am scouring university web sites looking for nice research groups at good universities.
Dec 08 09:00:49 cryos_laptop	And polishing up the old CV too.
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Dec 08 09:01:11 foser	spyderous: pong me later
Dec 08 09:01:21 dams	what's Oz ?
Dec 08 09:01:26 tigger^	dams: australia
Dec 08 09:01:29 dams	oh k
Dec 08 09:01:35 dams	I'd like to go to canada
Dec 08 09:02:13 cryos_laptop	That is my favourite dams.
Dec 08 09:02:29 dams	north, we have to go north
Dec 08 09:02:44 dams	either canada or north countries like finland
Dec 08 09:02:49 pfeifer	Victoria is really nice
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Dec 08 09:03:30 cryos_laptop	Someone else told me Victoria was nice.
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Dec 08 09:48:56 tigger^	We should all club together and form CINX
Dec 08 09:49:05 tigger^	Canadian InterNet EXchange
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Dec 08 09:53:30 UberLord	Canadians Understand Network Topologies as a better ring to it
Dec 08 09:53:32 KingTaco	tigger^, you in canada?
Dec 08 09:53:46 rizzo	UberLord: olz
Dec 08 09:53:46 KingTaco	UberLord, roflmfao
Dec 08 09:54:48 tigger^	KingTaco: nope, UK
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Dec 08 10:20:25 dams	hey
Dec 08 10:20:32 dams	I need a name for a script I'm doing
Dec 08 10:20:51 dams	it's getting th list of leaves in the installed ebuilds list
Dec 08 10:21:06 dams	I was thinking of ebuild_leaves
Dec 08 10:21:10 dams	is that english correct ?
Dec 08 10:21:12 jforman	leavemealone ?
Dec 08 10:21:27 jforman	</sarcasm>
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Dec 08 10:21:58 axxo	leafs?
Dec 08 10:21:59 fox2mike	dams: it's a name, so the english doesn't really matter :)
Dec 08 10:22:14 fox2mike	axxo: leaves is the right plural form btw
Dec 08 10:22:14 dams	fox2mike: I'd like something that people can understand :)
Dec 08 10:22:22 fox2mike	dams: ah :p
Dec 08 10:22:28 axxo	oh, well i'm not english either
Dec 08 10:22:31 dams	portage_leaves ? ebuild_leaves ?
Dec 08 10:22:46 dams	everyone_leaves ?
Dec 08 10:22:49 zzam	anybody here who can keyword ~ia64 or ~alpha?
Dec 08 10:22:53 axxo	pkg
Dec 08 10:22:59 dams	pkg_leaves
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Dec 08 10:23:10 ferdy	zzam: yup (~alpha)
Dec 08 10:23:19 zzam	ferdy: its about linuxtv-dvb-headers
Dec 08 10:23:43 zzam	ferdy: in media-tv
Dec 08 10:23:50 ferdy	zzam: what is that needed for ?
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Dec 08 10:24:10 zzam	ferdy: its needed for digital-television
Dec 08 10:24:26 zzam	ferdy: should simplify dependencies for the header files
Dec 08 10:24:36 araujo	Good morning!
Dec 08 10:24:48 ferdy	zzam: I mean, is it needed for a package having an alpha keyword ?
Dec 08 10:25:15 zzam	ferdy: it should replace some dependencies of libdvb and libdvb is keyworded ~alpha
Dec 08 10:25:49 zzam	ferdy: i don't know who uses libdvb on alpha, perhaps if one could insert PCI-dvb-cards into alphas
Dec 08 10:26:05 ferdy	zzam: well... I can't test it (lack of hardware) so... I'd say file a bug. But I really doubt any of us have such exotic hardware :P
Dec 08 10:26:22 ferdy	zzam: yeah.... you should be able to do that
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Dec 08 10:30:14 drobbins	boing
Dec 08 10:30:20 drobbins	seemant: ping
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Dec 08 10:31:18 drobbins	mjc: yo
Dec 08 10:31:39 seemant	drobbins: hola!
Dec 08 10:31:43 drobbins	seemant!
Dec 08 10:31:50 mjc	what's up drobbins, seemant
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Dec 08 10:32:00 drobbins	lots of things I think
Dec 08 10:32:15 seemant	mjc: s'appenin'
Dec 08 10:32:43 mjc	working on some software to take the real estate sector by storm
Dec 08 10:33:00 mjc	already have 16 clients =)
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Dec 08 10:34:57 spyderous	az: i think gentoo right now.
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Dec 08 10:35:10 spyderous	az: as i'm pretty sure ajax is doing it
Dec 08 10:35:40 mjc	I just upgraded a machine from 1.4_rc1 x86 to current
Dec 08 10:35:44 mjc	talk about painful
Dec 08 10:35:48 vivo	anyone with knowledge about "start-stop-daemon" ?
Dec 08 10:36:07 az	spyderous: well, something is dodgy with the libtool.m4 which is present during ./autogen.sh, or they are doing something wrong
Dec 08 10:36:15 az	spyderous: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OLSP3H40.html
Dec 08 10:36:39 az	spyderous: that is a diff between the LIBTOOL_CONFIG in xorg stuff, and an vanilla 1.5.18
Dec 08 10:37:10 az	spyderous: its not a libtool-1.5.18 libtool.m4 that gets pulled in, giving a version mismatch, ending up in libtool not being configured properly
Dec 08 10:37:29 az	spyderous: and thus the shell errors you get during build
Dec 08 10:37:50 tigger^	vivo: uberlord
Dec 08 10:38:29 vivo	tigger: tnx, UberLord ping
Dec 08 10:38:33 az	spyderous: errors like: ../../../libtool: line 5446: test: : integer expression expected
Dec 08 10:38:33 spyderous	az: hum, are you building from cvs or ebuilds?
Dec 08 10:38:43 az	spyderous: ebuilds
Dec 08 10:38:46 spyderous	weird
Dec 08 10:38:59 spyderous	as we do a lot of libtoolize crap in the eclass
Dec 08 10:39:08 az	spyderous: rm /usr/portage/eclass/ELT-patches/max_cmd_len/1.5.14
Dec 08 10:39:15 az	spyderous: and you should be able to recreate
Dec 08 10:39:29 az	i added that updated patch yesterday when i saw that
Dec 08 10:39:34 az	libX11 is an good example
Dec 08 10:41:05 UberLord	vivo: pooong
Dec 08 10:41:27 spyderous	az: i'm sorry, i've gotta run now. could you file a bug or talk to ajax, preferably both?
Dec 08 10:41:31 spyderous	bbl
Dec 08 10:41:41 az	spyderous: sure, will do
Dec 08 10:41:52 az	i did ping him, but guess he is still out
Dec 08 10:42:16 vivo	uberlord, how can I get the output from a command run by "start-stop-daemon" ?
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Dec 08 10:42:34 UberLord	vivo: what sort of output are you looking for?
Dec 08 10:42:58 UberLord	vivo: also, what init script/daemon is it ?
Dec 08 10:43:13 vivo	I want to redirect to a file with "> file" or with "&>file"
Dec 08 10:43:15 vivo	mysql
Dec 08 10:43:22 vivo	mysqld :)
Dec 08 10:43:51 UberLord	mysql blows - but heh
Dec 08 10:43:59 UberLord	try dropping the --quiet option
Dec 08 10:44:17 vivo	nope also with --verbose
Dec 08 10:44:20 UberLord	aside from that, we don't do any redirecting so it's upto the daemon itself to be chatty
Dec 08 10:44:46 vivo	well whenI run it from command line it is ,
Dec 08 10:45:17 UberLord	vivo: what baselayout version
Dec 08 10:45:17 UberLord	?
Dec 08 10:45:37 vivo	start-stop-daemon is "1.10.20",
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Dec 08 10:45:51 UberLord	vivo: that wasn't what I asked :)
Dec 08 10:46:04 vivo	sys-apps/baselayout-1.11.13-r1
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Dec 08 10:46:30 UberLord	vivo: want to try 1.12?
Dec 08 10:46:35 UberLord	1.12.0_pre11-r3 is latest
Dec 08 10:46:40 vivo	why not
Dec 08 10:46:47 UberLord	indeed - why not? heh
Dec 08 10:46:50 vivo	I'll say you after
Dec 08 10:46:58 UberLord	???
Dec 08 10:47:04 vivo	meaning I'm trying it now
Dec 08 10:47:10 UberLord	lol - k
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Dec 08 10:47:42 tigger^	vivo: s/say/tell/
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Dec 08 10:48:58 *	vivo will never lear english nor c++
Dec 08 10:49:06 tigger^	heh
Dec 08 10:49:15 vivo	s/lear/learn/
Dec 08 10:49:26 vivo	I'm negated :(
Dec 08 10:49:50 drobbins	hey spyderous
Dec 08 10:49:53 UberLord	vivo: don't panic, your english r0x0rz!!!
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Dec 08 10:51:57 vivo	ahh, it depend upon >=app-shells/bash-3.0-r10
Dec 08 10:52:10 drobbins	looks like I missed him
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Dec 08 10:53:39 beejay	Good evening, ladies.
Dec 08 10:53:45 UberLord	vivo: uh - so does 1.11
Dec 08 10:54:47 UberLord	hey hey beejay
Dec 08 10:54:56 vivo	not catched, before, I've re-emerged bash 2.05 due to a bug report on mysql ebuilds
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Dec 08 10:55:22 UberLord	loool
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Dec 08 10:55:35 UberLord	lets say that baselayout-1.11 kinda needs bash-3
Dec 08 10:55:38 UberLord	heh
Dec 08 10:55:53 vivo	uberlord, ^^^ so may be related ;)
Dec 08 10:56:07 UberLord	maybe so
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Dec 08 10:56:33 *	vivo will depend on modern baselayout to use new bash features in ebuilds 
Dec 08 10:57:02 lu_zero	hmmm
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Dec 08 10:59:24 amne	jkt|: pingy
Dec 08 11:00:01 jkt|	amne: pongy
Dec 08 11:01:08 amne	jkt|: hi, i've got that email in my inbox where someone asks if deleting ccache is necessary when upgrading to gcc 3.4.4. does your rewritten version have an answer to that by chance?
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Dec 08 11:02:05 jkt|	yeah
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Dec 08 11:02:09 vivo	UberLord: nope, no output, also now the external environment is cleaned right ?
Dec 08 11:02:22 jkt|	"It's important to disable <c>distcc</c> during upgrade. Mixing compiler versions
Dec 08 11:02:23 UberLord	yes, the env is cleaned
Dec 08 11:02:25 jkt|	on your nodes <e>will</e> cause build issues. This is not required for ccache,
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Dec 08 11:02:29 jkt|	as the cache objects will be invalidated anyway."
Dec 08 11:02:38 jkt|	amne: I'll post updated version soon
Dec 08 11:02:57 amne	jkt|: cool.
Dec 08 11:03:03 vivo	Uberlord: could you take a look at "dev-db/mysql/files/mysql-slot.rc6-r1" would be nice hear from an expert on that
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Dec 08 11:04:18 vivo	Uberlord: ^^^ meaning a -fast- look nothing in deep :p
Dec 08 11:04:59 UberLord	wtf - you've slotted mysql?
Dec 08 11:05:03 UberLord	heh
Dec 08 11:05:04 vivo	yes
Dec 08 11:05:07 vivo	soon
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Dec 08 11:05:39 vivo	and try to diff 5.0.16-r3 with slotted ;-)
Dec 08 11:07:20 vivo	I'm alone and it's impossible for me to maintain all the versions without slotting them (4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1 soon)
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Dec 08 11:10:06 UberLord	that's just nasty
Dec 08 11:10:22 vivo	don't like it ?
Dec 08 11:10:49 *	tigger^ likes slotting if it works
Dec 08 11:10:59 tigger^	would be nice to have 4.0 and 4.1 for us
Dec 08 11:11:04 UberLord	quotting issues, slight s-s-d abuse, thousands of debug statements
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Dec 08 11:12:07 UberLord	vivo: if you slot mysql, surely you want to be able to run have daemons for 4.0, 4.1 and 5.0 db's running at the same time?
Dec 08 11:12:15 *	langthang|work hated the slotted db
Dec 08 11:12:21 vivo	Uberlord, yes
Dec 08 11:12:31 UberLord	rt
Dec 08 11:12:34 vivo	that's becouse of that rc script
Dec 08 11:12:38 UberLord	this is sooooo over engineered
Dec 08 11:12:44 UberLord	imo
Dec 08 11:12:56 vivo	5.0.16-r3 and 4.1.15-r1 are alreading using one
Dec 08 11:13:11 vivo	come handy in upgrades
Dec 08 11:13:27 UberLord	can you control each daemon seperatly? ie have 3 running and then stop just one?
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Dec 08 11:13:35 vivo	you can run a 4.1 as master and a 5.0 as slave
Dec 08 11:13:46 vivo	no down time in upgrading
Dec 08 11:14:31 UberLord	there's nothing there that's screams out to me though
Dec 08 11:14:43 UberLord	you could always put this just before the s-s-d call
Dec 08 11:14:45 UberLord	set -x
Dec 08 11:14:49 langthang|work	I hope this won't turn into another berkdb hell
Dec 08 11:14:52 UberLord	set +x after it
Dec 08 11:15:51 UberLord	langthang|work: it shouldn't be as bad as no system stuff depends on mysql :)
Dec 08 11:16:23 langthang|work	UberLord: but some of my packages I maintain depend on it
Dec 08 11:16:49 UberLord	langthang|work: sucks to be you!
Dec 08 11:16:51 UberLord	heh
Dec 08 11:17:14 vivo	Uberlord: /sbin/start-stop-daemon: stat mysqld-500: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
Dec 08 11:17:25 UberLord	vivo: why not just have a master mysql script and then symlink to to it? mysql-4.0 mysql-4.1, mysql-5.0
Dec 08 11:17:38 UberLord	like we do with net.eth0 -> net.lo
Dec 08 11:18:44 vivo	current make the use of conf.d/mysql a bit more intuitive
Dec 08 11:18:56 vivo	but if needed it will be a path
Dec 08 11:21:12 vivo	Uberlord, I need to use the full path "--exec ${basedir}/sbin/mysqld${MY_SUFFIX} \" with it's this the right behaviour ?
Dec 08 11:21:37 vivo	also what's the difference between --exec and --startas ?
Dec 08 11:21:58 UberLord	exec means "execute this" starts means "become this"
Dec 08 11:22:47 UberLord	so you can do --exec /usr/bin/mysql-5.0 --startas /usr/bin/mysql and as far as everything is concerned everything thinks that the process exe is /usr/bin/mysql
Dec 08 11:23:08 UberLord	basically use --exec by default
Dec 08 11:23:15 vivo	ahhh ok
Dec 08 11:23:25 UberLord	--exec "${basedir}/sbin/mysqld${MY_SUFFIX}"
Dec 08 11:23:27 UberLord	better
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Dec 08 11:25:22 UberLord	also, please don't use --pidfile=/path/to/pid - it's undocumented
Dec 08 11:25:30 UberLord	--pidfile /path/to/pid is correct
Dec 08 11:25:36 UberLord	ditto for nicelevel
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Dec 08 11:26:12 UberLord	and you probably don't want the --background call there
Dec 08 11:26:31 UberLord	mysql should fork by itself
Dec 08 11:26:43 vivo	no that's mysqld_safe
Dec 08 11:26:57 UberLord	mysql does not fork by default? heh
Dec 08 11:27:10 UberLord	well, that's probably the reason why it's not echoing to stdout/stderr
Dec 08 11:27:14 vivo	it stay in foreground, try it ;)
Dec 08 11:27:29 UberLord	it will be a cold day in hell before mysql touches my machines
Dec 08 11:27:52 UberLord	note to postgres maintainer - don't ever do with - we know how to backup and restore databases!
Dec 08 11:27:58 UberLord	/s/with/this
Dec 08 11:28:31 vivo	look like everyone hate mysql, it's because of it licenses policy ?
Dec 08 11:28:37 vivo	(also)
Dec 08 11:28:39 tigger^	vivo: not everyone hates it
Dec 08 11:28:45 tigger^	vivo: some people are just bigots
Dec 08 11:28:53 tigger^	not naming any names UBERLORD
Dec 08 11:28:54 *	tigger^ ducks
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Dec 08 11:29:08 tigger^	heh
Dec 08 11:29:13 tigger^	silly troll ;P
Dec 08 11:29:17 *	vivo look and smile 
Dec 08 11:29:19 UberLord	I hate mysql because of technical reasons, not license reasons
Dec 08 11:29:41 *	UberLord mutters things about lack of SQL compliance, decent transaction support, triggers, etc
Dec 08 11:29:46 tigger^	bleh bleh bleh
Dec 08 11:29:54 tigger^	right tool for right job
Dec 08 11:29:55 UberLord	tigger^: shat it!
Dec 08 11:30:16 UberLord	tigger^: better options are flat file xml storage then mysql :P
Dec 08 11:30:21 tigger^	subjective bs
Dec 08 11:30:24 UberLord	if you want a relational db, then postgres is your man
Dec 08 11:30:26 tigger^	blatant trolling etc
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Dec 08 11:30:44 vivo	well I manage 10 Gb of data with it, it's difficult with xml :)
Dec 08 11:30:44 tigger^	UberLord: ever wonder why so many people use mysql?
Dec 08 11:30:47 dostrow_work	feh, oracle
Dec 08 11:31:00 dostrow_work	;P
Dec 08 11:31:02 tigger^	dostrow_work: HAH
Dec 08 11:31:03 UberLord	tigger^: because of the "it's fast and easy" myth?
Dec 08 11:31:06 tigger^	dostrow_work: nice tidy little app
Dec 08 11:31:14 dostrow_work	tigger^: something like that
Dec 08 11:31:20 tigger^	dostrow_work: with 1.2GB sec patches
Dec 08 11:31:21 *	tigger^ sighs
Dec 08 11:31:23 vivo	oracle has bought innodb anyway ;)
Dec 08 11:31:28 tigger^	UberLord: it is easier to work with
Dec 08 11:31:34 tigger^	no myth involed
Dec 08 11:31:36 UberLord	tigger^: really? hah
Dec 08 11:31:44 tigger^	UberLord: no, I made it up for the hell of it
Dec 08 11:31:49 UberLord	I've managed a mysql db and it was a pita
Dec 08 11:31:50 tigger^	yes really
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Dec 08 11:31:55 tigger^	UberLord: because you don't like mysql
Dec 08 11:32:13 UberLord	actually, that was the first time I used it and had no bias vs postgres at the time
Dec 08 11:32:13 dostrow_work	eh, everyone should just use MSDE and be happy about it ;)
Dec 08 11:32:51 UberLord	msde is good - at least sql server has decent ansi SQL support
Dec 08 11:33:43 UberLord	tigger^: I've used databases since the bad days of dbase III - and I've used many. mysql is one of the worst I've used
Dec 08 11:33:52 UberLord	that's MY opinion
Dec 08 11:33:55 tigger^	UberLord: you've not used enough then
Dec 08 11:34:12 tigger^	anyway, home time
Dec 08 11:34:20 UberLord	sure, RUN AWAY YOU COWARD!
Dec 08 11:34:23 tigger^	hah
Dec 08 11:34:24 tigger^	funny
Dec 08 11:34:36 *	lisa bites tigger^'s leg off
Dec 08 11:34:37 dostrow_work	I started using db's with foxbase (granted just fancy dbase)
Dec 08 11:34:55 UberLord	mysql is just a fancy layer for talking to storage devices anyway :P
Dec 08 11:35:22 lisa	pencil & paper == win
Dec 08 11:37:07 vivo	UberLord: we could work on a dbiii storage engine for mysql if you want (5.1 is very much extensible from this pov)
Dec 08 11:37:12 vivo	;)
Dec 08 11:37:18 UberLord	gah!
Dec 08 11:37:35 UberLord	anyway, vivo do you have enough information to fix the script now?
Dec 08 11:38:27 vivo	they are been committing now, thanks veeery much
Dec 08 11:38:37 UberLord	:)
Dec 08 11:39:01 vivo	UberLord: :)
Dec 08 11:39:35 vivo	UberLord: just a suggestion, try a look at mysql 5.0, may give you some wanted enhancments
Dec 08 11:39:38 *	UberLord wonders if tigger^ uses GNOME or KDE? maybe emacs or vi?
Dec 08 11:39:47 vivo	lol
Dec 08 11:40:07 UberLord	vivo: no thanks, I'm happy with my postgres database @ home
Dec 08 11:40:31 vivo	I'll give it a try one of these days
Dec 08 11:40:57 lu_zero	UberLord there is still another answer
Dec 08 11:41:04 UberLord	lu_zero: there is?
Dec 08 11:41:20 lu_zero	like E17 or hmm, bsdee ?
Dec 08 11:41:46 UberLord	or kedit vs gedit? abiword vs kword vs ooo?
Dec 08 11:41:49 lisa	gui or cli?
Dec 08 11:42:21 dostrow_work	mayo or mustard, cats or dogs, life or death?
Dec 08 11:42:31 lisa	tabs or spaces!
Dec 08 11:42:39 lu_zero	lisa aaargh
Dec 08 11:43:13 lisa	binary or source based
Dec 08 11:43:14 lu_zero	lisa voice command, dostrow_work garum, lizards, undead
Dec 08 11:43:38 lisa	eh?
Dec 08 11:43:51 lu_zero	lisa is great in getting things w/out 3rd alternatives
Dec 08 11:44:18 lu_zero	till the dostrow_work's I could figure easly alternatives
Dec 08 11:44:30 lisa	lol
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Dec 08 11:44:44 lu_zero	tabs vs spaces or source vs binaries are harder
Dec 08 11:44:50 drobbins	ttyl guys
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Dec 08 11:45:03 lisa	free as in beer or free as in speech
Dec 08 11:45:17 axxo	free as in speech beer
Dec 08 11:45:26 dostrow_work	lu_zero: nah, no whitespace, comma delimited, and abstract as yet un written code
Dec 08 11:45:51 jkt|	solar: pingy
Dec 08 11:46:00 dostrow_work	free as in beer that slurs your speech?
Dec 08 11:46:25 lu_zero	dostrow_work those aren't that easy
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Dec 08 11:57:37 vivo	langthang|work: want to tell me about the berkdb hell ?
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Dec 08 11:58:53 langthang|work	vivo: say one have mysql 5 and 4 in one sytem
Dec 08 11:59:08 langthang|work	emerge postfix link to mysql-5
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Dec 08 11:59:53 langthang|work	later you bump mysql-4  and I bump postfix and he blindly emerge world -Du
Dec 08 12:00:10 langthang|work	postfix link back to mysql-4
Dec 08 12:00:20 langthang|work	it will not work, will it?
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Dec 08 12:02:06 vivo	it will need to work before to be unmasked ;-) keeping a note of this
Dec 08 12:03:49 UberLord	laters all
Dec 08 12:03:50 langthang|work	vivo: you might want to check with db, it slotted and kinda work.
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Dec 08 12:05:21 vivo	Sure, I'll take a look at those ebuild/eclass
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Dec 08 12:08:04 jkt|	hmm, can anyone explain me the gcc-spec magic as in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109266 ?
Dec 08 12:08:07 GenBot	jkt|: Bug 109266; "gcc-3.4.x fails to emerge with "spec failure: unrecognized spec option""; [Gentoo Linux :: Development]; {RESOLVED:FIXED}; basic->Gentoo Toolchain Maintainers
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Dec 08 12:16:49 ajax	who manages genbot?
Dec 08 12:17:06 spb	carpaski
Dec 08 12:17:42 az	ajax: did you see above about libtool in the xorg tarballs ?
Dec 08 12:17:49 ajax	az: no
Dec 08 12:17:57 jakub	eradicator|soda: ping (and don't drink so much soda ;p)
Dec 08 12:17:59 ajax	you're probably going to tell me it's broken though
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Dec 08 12:18:12 ajax	and i'm going to say libtool is teh suck and none of the versions i've tried have worked for everyone
Dec 08 12:18:19 jakub	:D
Dec 08 12:18:50 ajax	so if you have actual concrete advice saying version 1.5.12.0.17+lessbraindamage is known to be perfect everywhere, great
Dec 08 12:19:39 az	ajax: no, im saying whatever libtool.m4 and the ltmain.sh (and thus generated libtool) have version mismatches
Dec 08 12:19:43 ajax	otherwise, imagine me making the 'shrugging palms at shoulder level facing up motion'
Dec 08 12:19:52 ajax	o_O
Dec 08 12:20:11 ajax	neat
Dec 08 12:20:16 az	http://rafb.net/paste/results/NBBJqA42.html
Dec 08 12:20:48 ajax	oi
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Dec 08 12:20:58 ajax	hang on, let me fire up the build box
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Dec 08 12:21:34 az	looks to be a 1.4 libtool.m4 that gets pulled in if i can take a guess with the 'AC_PREREQ(2.13)dnl' bit
Dec 08 12:21:51 ajax	how does something like that even happen
Dec 08 12:22:17 ajax	it would make just shitloads of sense if when i installed a newer libtool everything knew where to find it
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Dec 08 12:22:41 ajax	i suppose i am asking for sensible behaviour from libtool there
Dec 08 12:22:46 ajax	so obviously that won't happen
Dec 08 12:22:49 spyderous	ajax: what kind of challenge is that
Dec 08 12:22:50 az	not sure
Dec 08 12:23:00 az	try: aclocal --verbose 2>&1 | grep AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
Dec 08 12:23:17 spyderous	autotools are about making yourself a better person through mental agility
Dec 08 12:23:17 az	but im going to guess its a distro/packaging/pebcak issue
Dec 08 12:23:38 ajax	mmm.  rhel3, plus libtool 1.5 in /usr/local
Dec 08 12:24:08 az	im going to guess it pulls in 1.4 libtool.m4 from /usr/share/aclocal
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Dec 08 12:24:11 ajax	well, and automake-1.7 and autoconf 2.57 in /usr/local again
Dec 08 12:25:29 az	grep '^\$acdir' /usr/local/bin/aclocal ?
Dec 08 12:25:42 ajax	aclocal: found macro AC_PROG_LIBTOOL in /usr/local/share/aclocal/libtool.m4: 25
Dec 08 12:25:45 ajax	aclocal: found macro _AC_PROG_LIBTOOL in /usr/local/share/aclocal/libtool.m4: 60
Dec 08 12:25:56 ajax	which certainly appears to be a 1.5 libtool.m4
Dec 08 12:25:58 spyderous	try ACLOCAL="aclocal -I /usr/local/share/aclocal" maybe?
Dec 08 12:26:12 az	hmm
Dec 08 12:26:25 ajax	spyderous: i already do
Dec 08 12:26:44 ajax	i _have_ to, because aclocal is the most braindead pos ever
Dec 08 12:27:02 spyderous	sweet. i'm just looking at whatever variables tinderbox sets to make it work.
Dec 08 12:27:15 ajax	if you give it a -I (to point to the m4 bits Xorg provides), that -I _clobbers_ the builtin search paths
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Dec 08 12:27:42 az	yeah, it assumes it should check -I dirs first
Dec 08 12:27:56 spyderous	bbl
Dec 08 12:27:58 az	check that there is not a libtool.m4 in that xorg m4 dir
Dec 08 12:28:03 ajax	so if i just did -I /opt/debrix/share/aclocal to find xorg.m4, it'd totally ignore everything in /usr/share/aclocal, which means freetype.m4 goes byebye
Dec 08 12:28:41 az	err, that is wrong .. it should still look in the default one
Dec 08 12:28:41 ajax	to call aclocal retarded is to insult retards
Dec 08 12:30:12 ajax	okay yeah, that's what's wrong
Dec 08 12:30:39 ajax	all the system bits install their .m4's in to /usr/share/aclocal, so i have to add that to the -I path, but there's a libtool.m4 there
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Dec 08 12:31:11 ajax	so i guess today's lesson is that multiple install prefixes are for suckers
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Dec 08 12:32:13 az	if i look at our aclocal-1.7, it does the right thing and look in /usr/share/aclocal/ if some macro is not found in -I path
Dec 08 12:32:26 ajax	yours must be special
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Dec 08 12:33:43 ajax	mine certainly didn't
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Dec 08 12:34:02 ajax	anyway, moved the bogus libtool.m4 out of the way
Dec 08 12:34:34 ajax	i should really make a chroot for building this stuff
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Dec 08 12:35:25 az	$ for x in $(aclocal -I m4/ --verbose 2>&1 | awk '/^aclocal: found/ { print $6 }') ; do dirname $x; done | sort -u
Dec 08 12:35:28 az	m4
Dec 08 12:35:30 az	/usr/share/aclocal
Dec 08 12:35:33 az	/usr/share/aclocal-1.9
Dec 08 12:35:45 ajax	carpaski: how much tweaking has genbot received?  is it fairly stock mozbot 2.5?
Dec 08 12:36:11 ajax	#xorg needs a bot badly and i haven't set one up in years
Dec 08 12:36:21 carpaski	ajax: Not especially stock, no.
Dec 08 12:36:36 carpaski	It started that way, but I've hacked pieces all over the place.
Dec 08 12:36:44 carpaski	Stock mozbot can't handle the data that GenBot does.
Dec 08 12:36:51 carpaski	GenBot's config files is over 10 megs now
Dec 08 12:37:17 ajax	jebus!
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Dec 08 12:44:51 az	ajax: seems if you add -I /usr/local/share/aclocal as first -I, it should find the proper macros if more than one
Dec 08 12:44:56 az	aclocal -I m4/ -I m4-2/ --verbose 2>&1 | grep libtool\\.m4 | awk '/ignoring/ { print "ignoring " $6 } /found/ { print "found " $6 }' | sort -u
Dec 08 12:45:00 az	found m4/libtool.m4:
Dec 08 12:45:02 az	ignoring m4-2/libtool.m4:
Dec 08 12:45:02 az	aclocal -I /usr/share/aclocal/ -I m4/ -I m4-2/ --verbose 2>&1 | grep libtool\\.m4 | awk '/ignoring/ { print "ignoring " $6 } /found/ { print "found " $6 }' | sort -u
Dec 08 12:45:06 az	ignoring /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4:
Dec 08 12:45:08 az	found /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4:
Dec 08 12:45:11 az	ignoring m4-2/libtool.m4:
Dec 08 12:45:13 az	ignoring m4/libtool.m4:
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Dec 08 12:52:56 ajax	carpaski: is the code for it up anywhere?
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Dec 08 12:53:11 carpaski	ajax: I don't have it posted anywhere, no.
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Dec 08 12:55:35 ajax	i'll start with mozbot then and see how well it does
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Dec 08 13:00:49 latexer	morning all.
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Dec 08 13:02:33 dostrow_work	morning Peter
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Dec 08 13:03:17 Primer	Howdy. I'm wondering why esync doesn't check for already running instances of itself before continuing
Dec 08 13:04:30 latexer	dostrow_work: how goes?
Dec 08 13:04:38 dostrow_work	latexer: slowly
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Dec 08 13:05:52 axxo	because it assumes ppl aren't stupid
Dec 08 13:06:18 latexer	silly of it.
Dec 08 13:06:23 rane	so it's destined to fail
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Dec 08 13:22:27 idl	carpaski: got time to field a Python question?
Dec 08 13:23:35 carpaski	Sure.
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Dec 08 13:25:17 idl	carpaski: I have a child thread that blocks on a socket accept() call, my main thread just sits and waits for signals. I need to way to interrupt this child thread... I've tried everything I can think of with no luck
Dec 08 13:25:56 idl	I can't even close the socket from under the thread's feet as close() isn't thread safe and therefore doesn't interrupt
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Dec 08 13:29:01 jkt|	Halcy0n: FYI, gcc-upgrading is finally in CVS
Dec 08 13:29:06 Primer	axxo: I presume you're referring to my question
Dec 08 13:29:30 jkt|	Halcy0n: I'll add the redirect from /proj/en/base/x86/... soon
Dec 08 13:29:47 Primer	axxo: basically, the other night, cron on my box freaked out, and ran 17 instances of esync
Dec 08 13:30:22 lisa	!seenstats
Dec 08 13:30:26 axxo	so don't have it freak out
Dec 08 13:30:26 Primer	the load was pretty high due to this, and it thrashed my disk for hours...surely an undesireably effect
Dec 08 13:30:29 axxo	!bugstats
Dec 08 13:30:55 bonsaikitten_	Primer, wrap it in a script that checks for a .esync-lock file?
Dec 08 13:31:03 Primer	I'm just curious to know if there's any reason why something like this doesn't already exist
Dec 08 13:31:13 glbt	Currently I am tracking 20005/20000 nicks, which comprise 13800 unique uhosts.  The oldest record is internity's, which is from 54 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes ago.
Dec 08 13:31:23 Halcy0n	jkt|: I saw you add it.  Sounds good :)
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Dec 08 13:31:43 Primer	bonsaikitten_: yes, I'll probably end up doing something like this, but I was hoping to find out from you guys if there was a reason why this wasn't already the case
Dec 08 13:31:53 Primer	because I intend to report it as a bug
Dec 08 13:32:00 Primer	I feel it should do this
Dec 08 13:32:00 jkt|	Halcy0n: btw, even ciaranm missed "pittfall" :-)
Dec 08 13:32:03 *	jkt| ducks
Dec 08 13:32:26 bonsaikitten_	Primer, I guess the programmers never considered that possibility ... no specific reason
Dec 08 13:32:33 Halcy0n	jkt|: I think he stopped half way through :)
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Dec 08 13:32:57 Primer	bonsaikitten_: yes, that makes the most sense. I just like to cover my bases before posting bugs.
Dec 08 13:33:05 Primer	thank you for your attention
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Dec 08 13:33:37 spyderous	Primer: #gentoo-portage might be a good place to discuss it further before filing a bug
Dec 08 13:33:50 Primer	spyderous: will do. thanks
Dec 08 13:35:04 carpaski	idl: close is thread safe, but doesn't interrupt the call.
Dec 08 13:35:22 carpaski	idl: Tried calling cancel?
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Dec 08 13:36:03 carpaski	I guess there sin't one...
Dec 08 13:36:28 carpaski	idl: Don't use a blocking accept?
Dec 08 13:37:15 carpaski	idl: Use select in a loop with a timeout.
Dec 08 13:37:27 carpaski	idl: You can set conditions or signal if the accept isn't blocking.
Dec 08 13:37:29 idl	carpaski: I'm trying to find to a solution without without a timeout, but if it's not possible...
Dec 08 13:37:53 carpaski	Just use a select timeout of something tiny.
Dec 08 13:38:01 carpaski	0.1 is barely noticibly.
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Dec 08 13:38:49 carpaski	That's the solution I use for that particular problem.
Dec 08 13:39:24 idl	it's a shame there isn't a propper method interrupting child threads
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Dec 08 13:39:27 carpaski	while(whatever) { select(blah,foo,bar,spork,tv_of_subsecond); }
Dec 08 13:40:07 carpaski	You can... but there are a lot of ways to defeat signal handling... That whole one-thread per signal, thing.
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Dec 08 13:42:15 carpaski	A thread level signalling system might be interesting though.
Dec 08 13:42:36 spyderous	ajax: also font/encodings needs --with-encodingsdir, and font/alias needs lots of --with-100dpi-aliasdir, etc stuff. not sure it's worth making a patch over because it's trivial.
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Dec 08 13:43:26 spyderous	ajax: almost forgot font/util needs --with-mapdir
Dec 08 13:43:34 carpaski	idl: I don't know of a python way, but in pthreads you can call pthread_cancel to do it.
Dec 08 13:43:57 jkt|	Halcy0n: may I add a redirect from the old guide to the new one? ;-)
Dec 08 13:44:10 jkt|	Halcy0n: it will be similar to the http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/macos-guide.xml
Dec 08 13:44:22 idl	carpaski: maybe calling settimeout from the main thread would work..
Dec 08 13:45:07 idl	nope, not for bound sockets..
Dec 08 13:45:17 ajax	spyderous: i'd prefer a patch, i'm trying to burn through bugs atm and if i can get a fix to just blindly apply that's easier for me
Dec 08 13:45:34 spyderous	ajax: k, i'll throw some together.
Dec 08 13:45:35 carpaski	idl: You could connect to the socket... but you'd still have to have a condition somehwere else.
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Dec 08 13:45:54 carpaski	idl: set_quit_condition(); local_connect(); ?
Dec 08 13:46:15 Halcy0n	jkt|: why not just do an actual redirect?
Dec 08 13:46:33 jkt|	Halcy0n: that's what we do
Dec 08 13:46:35 carpaski	idl: You'd just have to check the condition after accepting the connection.
Dec 08 13:46:50 jkt|	Halcy0n: that's the only posible way, AFAIK
Dec 08 13:47:01 jkt|	Halcy0n: and in fact, it will redirect you after some time
Dec 08 13:47:13 idl	carpaski: yeah, accept() doesn't take a timeout param either
Dec 08 13:47:21 Halcy0n	jkt|: oh, that sucks.  A server redirect would be much nicer :)
Dec 08 13:47:36 carpaski	idl: You use select if you want a timeout. You make the socket non-blocking and use select.
Dec 08 13:47:51 jkt|	Halcy0n: we talked a bit about that on -doc ML and that's the decision :-)
Dec 08 13:48:09 Halcy0n	jkt|: yea, just wait an hour or so, so that all of the webnodes are in sync.
Dec 08 13:48:10 jkt|	Halcy0n: <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="15; URL=..." />
Dec 08 13:48:29 jkt|	they should since at once, shouldn't they?
Dec 08 13:48:59 Halcy0n	jkt|: the web nodes?  No, there is a delay.  Its probably going to take about 45 minutes to an hour for your last commit to hit them all.
Dec 08 13:49:11 idl	carpaski: sure? I get EBADF when trying to do that
Dec 08 13:49:12 jkt|	Halcy0n: okay
Dec 08 13:49:32 Halcy0n	Is it just me, or is b.g.o dead?
Dec 08 13:50:02 vivo	noob question, how do you continue in background a stopped process ?
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Dec 08 13:50:19 jakub	Halcy0n: in limbo
Dec 08 13:50:45 dostrow_work	Halcy0n: not just you
Dec 08 13:50:57 Halcy0n	Okay.
Dec 08 13:51:00 Betelgeuse	Halcy0n: nothing here either
Dec 08 13:51:18 Halcy0n	jforman: b.g.o hates us.
Dec 08 13:51:24 jforman	its me
Dec 08 13:51:33 dostrow_work	damn goats
Dec 08 13:51:37 jforman	its not the db...i am testing the fscked upgrade that happened a few days ago on the test db
Dec 08 13:51:53 jforman	i could grab the DB to my home box, but its 1.7GB, and my cable modem will explode
Dec 08 13:51:54 carpaski	idl: EBADF on what? You're selecting for read, and doing the +1, right?
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Dec 08 13:53:04 latexer	jforman: so when are you breaking that again? (:
Dec 08 13:53:17 jforman	latexer: after i am assured that i can successfully upgrade it
Dec 08 13:53:24 latexer	heh.
Dec 08 13:53:31 Halcy0n	When is the current one going to start working again? :)
Dec 08 13:53:39 dostrow_work	in the mean time he's just making it so we can't use bugzie ;)
Dec 08 13:53:42 jforman	heh
Dec 08 13:53:56 jforman	bah.../me debates whether to just do this at home
Dec 08 13:54:04 ajax	spyderous: there's already a bug for font/util --with-mapdir
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Dec 08 13:54:20 dostrow_work	*shrug*, exploding cable modems are never fun, I hear they are jam packed with shrapnel
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Dec 08 13:54:31 spyderous	ajax: yeah, just saw it.
Dec 08 13:54:43 spyderous	of course i already made and tested the patch first
Dec 08 13:55:04 spyderous	that's got more significant changes, however, such as moving away from lib
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Dec 08 13:55:22 spyderous	but the patch in comment #4 is roughly the same as mine
Dec 08 13:55:58 spyderous	and by roughly i mean exactly the same except the description in AS_HELP_STRING
Dec 08 13:56:01 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev is: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o back on 2.18, read -dev/-core | cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
Dec 08 13:56:01 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev set by jforman at Tue Dec  6 09:46:00 2005
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Dec 08 13:56:25 ajax	would have been nice if he'd made one bug per issue.
Dec 08 13:56:55 spyderous	yeah, the description certainly doesn't match what the bug turned into.
Dec 08 13:57:51 vivo	ok, other question, "checking if readline clears SA_RESTART flag for SIGWINCH..."
Dec 08 13:58:13 vivo	stops nohup, there is a way to avoid that ?
Dec 08 13:58:32 vivo	it's a configure check btw
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Dec 08 14:08:34 jforman	Halcy0n: should be fixed now.
Dec 08 14:09:16 jakub	where's the new version? ;p
Dec 08 14:09:27 *	jakub ducks
Dec 08 14:09:46 dostrow_work	jforman: yup, works for me
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Dec 08 14:09:52 vivo	works here
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Dec 08 14:10:07 jforman	jakub: i was importing the test db into the test environment, and it looked like it brought bugs.g.o to a halt. so lance kicked apache2
Dec 08 14:10:12 vivo	^^^ bugzilla
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Dec 08 14:11:19 jakub	upgrading of this thing sucks big time... :X
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Dec 08 14:11:33 jforman	jakub: yeah, thats why i am going to start testing at home, instead of at the OSL
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Dec 08 14:11:38 genone	hmm, either my calndar is completely wrong, or we'll need to elect a new council
Dec 08 14:12:21 spyderous	genone: did you read the -council list posts?
Dec 08 14:12:36 genone	there is a list?
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Dec 08 14:13:32 spyderous	yes
Dec 08 14:13:42 antarus|work	yeah the new date is the 15th iirc
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Dec 08 14:14:47 vivo	may be a good idea to update the topic
Dec 08 14:14:53 genone	would be nice to inform -dev about that
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Dec 08 14:15:05 *	genone is unhappy about this
Dec 08 14:15:26 Halcy0n	I just want the new one so I can sort based on the new headers in bugzilla.
Dec 08 14:15:46 *	antarus|work notes that people interested in the council can always subscribe to the list ;)
Dec 08 14:16:18 genone	antarus|work: you're assuming mere mortals are aware of that list in the first place
Dec 08 14:16:28 Chainsaw	Isn't a dual core CPU supposed to SMP?
Dec 08 14:16:56 *	genone notes there are too many lists
Dec 08 14:17:08 vivo	Chainsaw: yes
Dec 08 14:17:15 vivo	at least amd
Dec 08 14:17:16 Chainsaw	SMP disabled
Dec 08 14:17:16 Chainsaw	Brought up 1 CPUs
Dec 08 14:17:27 Chainsaw	Right. So this BIOS is so buggy that it can't even get *that* right.
Dec 08 14:17:32 antarus|work	I can't disagree about there being too many lists ;0  There is enough crap on -dev right now IMHO
Dec 08 14:17:32 latexer	heh.
Dec 08 14:17:39 Chainsaw	Brb.
Dec 08 14:17:40 spyderous	genone: well, i knew about it.
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Dec 08 14:17:50 spyderous	genone: am i no mere mortal?
Dec 08 14:18:09 genone	spyderous: no, you're the X maintainer :P
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Dec 08 14:20:24 genone	*sigh* over 50 lists in existence ...
Dec 08 14:21:24 spyderous	there ya go, ajax
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Dec 08 14:37:00 *	fmccor wonders apropos of nothing who reverted app-text/xpdf-3.01-r2 to ~<all-archs>, yet the ChangeLog sits there with all those "Stable on..." notes with reference to Bug 114428 ....
Dec 08 14:37:02 GenBot	fmccor: Bug 114428; "app-text/{poppler,xpdf,gpdf} app-text/pdftohtm net-print/cups? several security holes (CAN-2005-319{1|2|3})"; [Gentoo Security :: Vulnerabilities]; {ASSIGNED}; Carsten Lohrke->Gentoo Security; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114428
Dec 08 14:38:16 Halcy0n	fmccor: seems they didn't apply the patch before we started marking them stable.
Dec 08 14:38:32 fmccor	Oh, nice.
Dec 08 14:38:50 fmccor	Too bad Change Log doesn't mention that little piece of information.
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Dec 08 14:43:47 beejay	Good night folks.
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Dec 08 14:43:59 latexer	beejay|off: later.
Dec 08 14:44:10 Halcy0n	fmccor: yea, I dug it out of the commit messages.
Dec 08 14:44:27 spyderous	which for some reason is not the same as the changelog entry?
Dec 08 14:44:33 spyderous	i hate it when people do that.
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Dec 08 14:44:39 Halcy0n	spyderous: there is no changelog entry.
Dec 08 14:44:43 spyderous	oh, even better
Dec 08 14:44:48 Halcy0n	It doesn't look like we were added back to the bug either, which is nice.
Dec 08 14:46:09 *	spyderous kicks MetalGOD upside the head
Dec 08 14:47:13 MetalGOD	yes it's my fault
Dec 08 14:47:28 MetalGOD	i copied the wrong file from my overlay
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Dec 08 14:47:41 spyderous	no, see, that's not the problem.
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Dec 08 14:48:31 Halcy0n	MetalGOD: you are going to need to bump the revision, and you should state these problems in the bug and changelog.
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Dec 08 14:49:23 spyderous	the problem is silently fixing bugs without a changelog entry
Dec 08 14:49:24 MetalGOD	Halcy0n, yesterday i didn't had time to do that but i will do it tonight
Dec 08 14:49:25 dostrow_work	hrm ppc64 didn't get re-added either...
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Dec 08 14:49:42 MetalGOD	spyderous, i usually don't do that
Dec 08 14:49:47 Halcy0n	We will also need it bumped because anyone that already upgraded won't necessarily get the fix now.
Dec 08 14:50:30 fmccor	Yes, that would be me, for instance.
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Dec 08 14:58:17 MetalGOD	ok guys it's fixed my bad
Dec 08 14:58:45 *	fmccor tosses MetalGOD an ice cream cone.
Dec 08 14:59:31 *	spyderous watches portage sit at 51%
Dec 08 14:59:53 *	spb hands spyderous the 3.0 cache backport patch
Dec 08 15:00:00 *	fmccor mentions the patch for that and ducks.
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Dec 08 15:00:34 fmccor	And it will still be sitting there at that same 51% when the release actually makes it. :)
Dec 08 15:00:59 seemant	indeed
Dec 08 15:01:01 seemant	the patch rocks
Dec 08 15:01:41 antarus|work	spyderous, ~arch this weekend, is the current goal for that
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Dec 08 15:02:41 jakub	who maintains flag-o-matic.eclass?
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Dec 08 15:02:51 spyderous	mostly vapier
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Dec 08 15:03:10 jakub	vapier: ping
Dec 08 15:03:10 vapier	your mom
Dec 08 15:03:10 jakub	test_flag() {
Dec 08 15:03:10 jakub	        ewarn "test_flag: deprecated, please use test-flags()!" >/dev/stderr
Dec 08 15:03:10 jakub	        test-flags "$@"
Dec 08 15:03:10 jakub	}
Dec 08 15:03:16 jakub	breaks sandbox
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Dec 08 15:03:23 vapier	that sucks
Dec 08 15:03:29 spb	fix sandbox
Dec 08 15:04:01 vapier	az: ^^^
Dec 08 15:04:23 spb	make jakub do it
Dec 08 15:04:26 spb	he's the one complaining
Dec 08 15:04:35 jakub	not me ;p Bug 114905
Dec 08 15:04:35 vapier	i'd rather have it fixed than broken even more
Dec 08 15:04:50 GenBot	jakub: Bug 114905; "flag-o-matic violates sandbox"; [Gentoo Linux :: Eclasses and Profiles]; {NEW}; Erik Zeek->Gentoo Linux bug wranglers; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114905
Dec 08 15:05:15 az	err, whoops
Dec 08 15:05:21 vapier	heh
Dec 08 15:06:04 spyderous	why don't we do ewarn/eerror to stderr by default?
Dec 08 15:06:24 vivo	!seen beu
Dec 08 15:06:25 glbt	beu (i=beu@gentoo/developer/beu) was last seen quitting from #gentoo 29 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes ago stating ({"*boink,} boink*\").
Dec 08 15:06:25 GenBot	beu was last seen 4 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 33 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying '* beu bows out for a long-awaited ram upgrade' in #gentoo-ops.
Dec 08 15:06:39 vapier	spyderous: thats what i said !
Dec 08 15:06:52 vivo	^^^ the ram upgrade maybe is gone badly
Dec 08 15:06:57 spyderous	i think it makes sense
Dec 08 15:06:59 fmccor	:)
Dec 08 15:07:05 vivo	!seen mcummings
Dec 08 15:07:07 glbt	mcummings (n=mcumming@gentoo/developer/mcummings) was last seen quitting from #gentoo-commits 1 day, 1 hour, 37 minutes ago stating (Client Quit).
Dec 08 15:07:07 GenBot	mcummings was last seen 2 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'jaervosz: 114113 looking good' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 08 15:07:12 rane	how can i get voice on -releng?
Dec 08 15:07:23 rane	and why don't devs get autovoiced in there?
Dec 08 15:07:30 vapier	because you're not in releng
Dec 08 15:07:34 rane	are we supposed to make a mess, spam or sth?
Dec 08 15:07:34 vapier	devs are gay, releng is not
Dec 08 15:07:38 az	eerror, sure, dont really see ewarn as stderr material
Dec 08 15:07:50 kloeri	rane: just ask a releng member to be voiced
Dec 08 15:07:50 vapier	az: well eerror doesnt :)
Dec 08 15:08:02 az	only reason i did that to stderr, is because they are used in variable assignment
Dec 08 15:08:11 spyderous	warnings shouldn't go to stderr?
Dec 08 15:08:16 spyderous	somebody tell the gcc people
Dec 08 15:08:22 vapier	might it's a friendly warning
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Dec 08 15:08:27 kloeri	rane: voiced
Dec 08 15:08:29 Hollow	vapier: any planned release date for baselayout-1.11.14?
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Dec 08 15:08:37 rane	kloeri: thanks :)
Dec 08 15:08:38 vapier	Hollow: it's been released already, get with the program
Dec 08 15:08:52 Hollow	oh, sorry, must have missed it
Dec 08 15:08:53 spb	vapier: did you put the pink patch in?
Dec 08 15:08:55 rane	now i'm leet too
Dec 08 15:08:56 az	jakub: should be fixed now
Dec 08 15:09:30 Hollow	vapier: will 1.12 make it for 2006.0?
Dec 08 15:09:31 az	vapier: thought about it when i saw the udev update .. we got the devfs and udev -> addon fixes in there ?
Dec 08 15:09:37 kloeri	rane: not sure about leet but voiced at least :)
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Dec 08 15:10:00 vapier	az: 1.11.14 utilizes the udev addon
Dec 08 15:10:03 jakub	az: 'k, tnx
Dec 08 15:10:06 vapier	az: and i made 1.11.14 depend on >=077
Dec 08 15:10:18 rane	kloeri: :)
Dec 08 15:10:34 az	vapier: err, i already fixed that with 073-r1 or something
Dec 08 15:10:50 az	068-r1 ;p
Dec 08 15:10:51 vapier	az: hrm, my grep must of f-ed up
Dec 08 15:11:00 spb	must HAVE
Dec 08 15:11:01 vapier	when i checked i only saw the script in 077
Dec 08 15:11:01 spb	wanker
Dec 08 15:11:06 vapier	SHUT YOUR FAG
Dec 08 15:11:09 vapier	err FACE
Dec 08 15:11:42 vapier	az: how about i force 070+
Dec 08 15:11:42 az	i did it like:
Dec 08 15:11:43 az	        insinto /lib/rcscripts/addons
Dec 08 15:11:43 az	        doins "${FILESDIR}"/udev-{start,stop}.sh
Dec 08 15:11:49 vapier	oh that'd be why
Dec 08 15:11:51 antarus|work	vapier, wolf ;0
Dec 08 15:11:52 vapier	i grepped udev-start
Dec 08 15:11:57 az	greg changed it with the updates for 077
Dec 08 15:12:07 vapier	should i care about devfs ?
Dec 08 15:12:19 spyderous	should you care about 2.4 users?
Dec 08 15:12:30 jaervosz	MetalGOD: ping
Dec 08 15:12:35 vapier	you're right, i dont care
Dec 08 15:12:53 spyderous	i don't either, but there will be clamor and outcry from the server crew i bet.
Dec 08 15:12:58 antarus|work	bah, sparc is stuck on 2.4 still, you better care :p
Dec 08 15:13:04 vapier	sparc is deprecated
Dec 08 15:13:06 vapier	like x86
Dec 08 15:13:23 MetalGOD	jaervosz, pong
Dec 08 15:13:27 vapier	az: mmm i added kexec stuff to 1.11.14 too so it'll require sysvinit 2.86-r3
Dec 08 15:13:29 antarus|work	alrighty, everyone switching to mips?
Dec 08 15:13:35 Chainsaw	amd64 dual-core :>
Dec 08 15:13:35 vapier	kexec seems to play nice on my x86_64
Dec 08 15:13:45 az	vapier: nah, but im sure you cannot really add that udev DEPEND like you did ...
Dec 08 15:13:50 fmccor	antarus|work, We're stuck on 2.4 because 2.6 doesn't actually work on all sparc gear.
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Dec 08 15:13:55 spb	antarus|work: alpha.
Dec 08 15:14:06 vapier	az: i'll change it to        || ( >=sys-fs/udev-070 >=sys-fs/devfsd-1.3.25-r9 )
Dec 08 15:14:12 vapier	they dont make alphas anymore :(
Dec 08 15:14:15 antarus|work	fmccor, I know
Dec 08 15:14:20 fmccor	Er, that would be to vapier I meant.
Dec 08 15:14:29 antarus|work	fmccor, I have the U2 that dies horribly *is running 2.4*
Dec 08 15:14:43 fmccor	I have one of those, too.
Dec 08 15:14:44 vapier	2.6 runs great on my sparc
Dec 08 15:14:49 vapier	phear my IDE U10
Dec 08 15:14:55 az	vapier: i havent yet played with kexec ... bit lower on my TOCHECKOUT list
Dec 08 15:15:11 geoman	vapier: yeah, 2.6 works great on sparc, except when it doesn't
Dec 08 15:15:17 vapier	az: it's pretty easy
Dec 08 15:15:24 kloeri	vapier: you saw that article showing that hppa outsold itanium in third quarter? :)
Dec 08 15:15:28 fmccor	vapier, 2.6 runs fine on U10, U60, SBxxx, ... problems now seem to be U1/U2 and maybe squash's netra.
Dec 08 15:15:33 vapier	just enable support in the kernel, tweak /etc/conf.d/kexec, and then start the kexec service
Dec 08 15:15:44 vapier	kloeri: no suprise there :)
Dec 08 15:15:50 vapier	i could go for some of those latest parisc chips
Dec 08 15:15:55 bonsaikitten_	kloeri, silly hp discontinuing their best chips :-)
Dec 08 15:15:57 vapier	course i dont have the $$$ for em
Dec 08 15:16:00 az	vapier: then it just reload the kernel on reboot, and not restart ?
Dec 08 15:16:05 vapier	az: yep
Dec 08 15:16:11 az	cool
Dec 08 15:16:32 vapier	much quicker
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Dec 08 15:16:40 kloeri	vapier: agreed :)
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Dec 08 15:19:49 spb	kloeri: just a pity parisc linux is so bizarre really
Dec 08 15:19:49 MetalGOD	zaheer_, ping
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Dec 08 15:20:16 vapier	are there any other linux arches with a stack like parisc ?
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Dec 08 15:20:35 spb	vapier: none that i know of
Dec 08 15:22:27 spyderous	vapier: if i'm looking to add features to gcc-config, should i be doing the original version or the eselect compiler thing?
Dec 08 15:22:44 vapier	it depends on who you ask
Dec 08 15:22:45 az	hmm, what is so cool about parisc ?
Dec 08 15:22:50 spyderous	vapier: well, look who i'm asking =P
Dec 08 15:23:05 vapier	spyderous: do you want the feature to happen now or say in a year
Dec 08 15:23:11 spyderous	az: guess you'd have to ask gmsoft
Dec 08 15:23:22 spyderous	vapier: not a year, but not a month either
Dec 08 15:23:25 vapier	heh, i still remember the day that dude joined
Dec 08 15:23:50 vapier	he popped in here one day and was like 'i found a bunch of hppa machines so i ported Gentoo to them.  who do i talk to?'
Dec 08 15:23:53 spyderous	vapier: basically want to select compilers independently of other language compilers, so e.g. icc and ifc will integrate in
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Dec 08 15:24:12 vapier	spyderous: eradicator claims eselect/gcc-config-2 supports that
Dec 08 15:24:24 kloeri	vapier: cool :)
Dec 08 15:24:28 spyderous	guess i'll have to check into it
Dec 08 15:24:37 spyderous	i remember him posting something about it ages ago but don't recall any code
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Dec 08 15:25:57 spb	there won't be until he declares the thing finished. and at that point it'll half work on some machines and won't be fixed because it's finished
Dec 08 15:26:31 spyderous	example?
Dec 08 15:26:45 vapier	*
Dec 08 15:26:55 MetalGOD	zaheer_, next time please tell me what modifications you will do to fix gstreamer dependencies :)
Dec 08 15:27:30 spyderous	eselect-opengl seems to work fairly well, although i haven't glanced at the code
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Dec 08 15:28:45 spyderous	hm, no changes to eselect-compiler since mid-october
Dec 08 15:29:07 Cardoe	MetalGOD: so... you rev bumped Banshee
Dec 08 15:29:09 Cardoe	but it's broken
Dec 08 15:29:19 Cardoe	MetalGOD: and you forcably disabled njb support
Dec 08 15:29:21 spyderous	huh, when did that get into teh tree
Dec 08 15:29:32 MetalGOD	Cardoe, yes
Dec 08 15:29:35 Cardoe	why?
Dec 08 15:29:36 spyderous	i just searched for it a couple weeks ago
Dec 08 15:29:42 Cardoe	spyderous: it was in Gentopia
Dec 08 15:29:55 Cardoe	but while I was gone there was a release and I guess metalgod just moved it over
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Dec 08 15:30:01 MetalGOD	Cardoe, i talked with the upstream and seems like they had a few issues
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Dec 08 15:30:12 Cardoe	yeah there are issues
Dec 08 15:30:21 Cardoe	Aaron admits it.
Dec 08 15:30:30 Cardoe	but I like mine on
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Dec 08 15:31:10 *	Now talking on #gentoo-dev
Dec 08 15:31:10 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev is: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o back on 2.18, read -dev/-core | cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
Dec 08 15:31:10 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev set by jforman at Tue Dec  6 09:46:00 2005
Dec 08 15:31:10 *	ChanServ sets modes [#gentoo-dev +o KingTaco]
Dec 08 15:31:12 bonsaikitten_	that's weird ... my semester goes until february
Dec 08 15:31:16 Cardoe	MetalGOD: ok well the version in Portage is t-e-h broken
Dec 08 15:31:19 Cardoe	jforman: ouch
Dec 08 15:31:22 spyderous	i just turned in my last final earlier today
Dec 08 15:31:25 Cardoe	jforman: at least you've got them done.
Dec 08 15:31:33 MetalGOD	Cardoe, i hope not ;)
Dec 08 15:31:34 Cardoe	bonsaikitten_: so what's up with Gentoo Experimental...
Dec 08 15:31:43 Cardoe	MetalGOD: well it is for me and a couple of people.
Dec 08 15:31:44 spyderous	jforman: hopefully lots of diagrams, illustrations and figures
Dec 08 15:31:51 jforman	Cardoe: eh. those are just drafts. i need hard copies to edit. final ones are due next week. gotta finish another 23 page paper also
Dec 08 15:31:52 spyderous	jforman: after all a picture is 1000 words
Dec 08 15:31:52 bonsaikitten_	Cardoe, replacement on its way :-)
Dec 08 15:31:53 Cardoe	bonsaikitten_: last 3 weeks it's been down
Dec 08 15:32:03 Cardoe	jforman: damn! what are they on?
Dec 08 15:32:06 MetalGOD	Cardoe, probably upstream fault not mine ;)
Dec 08 15:32:06 Cardoe	bonsaikitten_: ah
Dec 08 15:32:06 jforman	spyderous: yes. but probably a good 15 pages of straight text
Dec 08 15:32:18 bonsaikitten_	Cardoe, it's been down 3 days in that time, stop exaggeratink
Dec 08 15:32:18 spyderous	jforman: btw, what's up with 23 pages? do they actually say "23-page minimum"?
Dec 08 15:32:28 jforman	Cardoe: database final project, RFP analysis, and risk management appraisal
Dec 08 15:32:37 spyderous	risk management's the longest, i hope
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Dec 08 15:32:43 Cardoe	MetalGOD: works for me if I hand compile it.
Dec 08 15:32:45 vapier	database classes are so gay
Dec 08 15:32:47 jforman	spyderous: no. minimums were 15, 15, and 25. i just couldnt get in everything i wanted to say in those minimums
Dec 08 15:32:51 Cardoe	jforman: ugh... I hate DB classes
Dec 08 15:32:57 Cardoe	I have a stupid JSP/Tomcat project due tomorrow
Dec 08 15:33:02 jforman	Cardoe: this one was actually pretty cool. i did my final project in php and mysql.
Dec 08 15:33:06 Cardoe	He wouldn't let me do it in PHP
Dec 08 15:33:10 MetalGOD	Cardoe, ok if you see any bug you would like to see it fixed open a bug report and i will take a look at it
Dec 08 15:33:13 vapier	i feel like half the time the prof is trying to justify his own existence
Dec 08 15:33:18 spyderous	Halcy0n: ya, disabled stack-protector and 4.1 built ok
Dec 08 15:33:19 bonsaikitten_	DBs are very easy compared to the rest
Dec 08 15:33:31 Cardoe	jforman: I wish I had mysql... I had Oracle to FIGHT with
Dec 08 15:33:37 Cardoe	Oracle & Java
Dec 08 15:33:41 Cardoe	and now JSP/Tomcat
Dec 08 15:33:44 *	Cardoe stabs himself
Dec 08 15:33:50 jforman	Cardoe: bah. i wanted to take the oracle class in the spring, but the fsckers cancelled it.
Dec 08 15:33:53 Cardoe	Why is Oracle so amazing again?
Dec 08 15:34:02 antarus|work	Cardoe, I'm sorry :/
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Dec 08 15:34:06 jforman	Cardoe: because you cant download it without going underground ?
Dec 08 15:34:10 bonsaikitten_	Cardoe, you need 3 persons to keep it running
Dec 08 15:34:13 spb	Cardoe: because it's not mysql
Dec 08 15:34:14 jforman	heh
Dec 08 15:34:15 bonsaikitten_	job security :-)
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Dec 08 15:34:39 *	Now talking on #gentoo-dev
Dec 08 15:34:39 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev is: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o back on 2.18, read -dev/-core | cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
Dec 08 15:34:39 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev set by jforman at Tue Dec  6 09:46:00 2005
Dec 08 15:34:39 *	ChanServ sets modes [#gentoo-dev +o KingTaco]
Dec 08 15:34:49 jforman	Cardoe: but in the end i'll end up with a masters degree. so no complaints
Dec 08 15:34:50 Cardoe	jforman: I'll probably come down around Christmas
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Dec 08 15:35:04 Cardoe	Otherwise I'm working my ass off up here.
Dec 08 15:35:05 jforman	Cardoe: i'm in and out of town all break. keep me posted
Dec 08 15:35:17 Cardoe	Cause my parents are t-e-h suck
Dec 08 15:35:18 geoman	jforman: is this a weak non-thesis masters? ;)
Dec 08 15:35:32 Cardoe	My father told me to work harder and get a better paying job.
Dec 08 15:35:46 Cardoe	I was like uh... I'm in college... in a town with abundant college aged kids who want jobs.
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Dec 08 15:35:46 jforman	geoman: we all cant be as cool as you with some meaningless PhD after our name ;)
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Dec 08 15:35:51 Cardoe	businesses don't have to pay us crap
Dec 08 15:36:00 geoman	hahaha
Dec 08 15:36:07 Cardoe	PhD's are worthless.
Dec 08 15:36:14 geoman	Cardoe: unless you want to get into academia
Dec 08 15:36:14 Cardoe	It's the word President after your name that's worth it.
Dec 08 15:36:15 *	jforman watches the fight ensue
Dec 08 15:36:26 geoman	then, they are very valuable
Dec 08 15:36:28 Cardoe	Cause you might be pulling down 6 figures
Dec 08 15:36:31 spyderous	anybody know what postgres stands for?
Dec 08 15:36:36 Cardoe	but I'll pull down 7 with the word President after my name.
Dec 08 15:36:40 jforman	geoman: Cardoe is/was ROTC...i think his f16 has a few pounds over your kryptonite ;)
Dec 08 15:36:52 Cardoe	lol
Dec 08 15:37:01 Cardoe	pshh f16..
Dec 08 15:37:03 Cardoe	f22!
Dec 08 15:37:20 geoman	jforman: shit, who do you think found all the ore deposits that allowed those airplanes to be constructed? ;)
Dec 08 15:37:26 Cardoe	I got to sit in one like a month ago.
Dec 08 15:37:29 spyderous	geoman: you?!
Dec 08 15:37:31 Cardoe	And I took some pictures.
Dec 08 15:37:36 Cardoe	The man with the gun got mad at me
Dec 08 15:37:39 Cardoe	and deleted all my pictures
Dec 08 15:37:40 Cardoe	:(
Dec 08 15:37:47 Cardoe	I didn't have a gun
Dec 08 15:37:47 geoman	spyderous: damn straight! :)
Dec 08 15:37:49 Cardoe	so he won
Dec 08 15:38:13 Cardoe	That's my official 3rd run in with armed security forces
Dec 08 15:38:16 antarus|work	Cardoe, obviously you need more hand to hand combat training..shouldn't lose to a guy with a gun :p
Dec 08 15:38:33 geoman	Cardoe: you should have kicked him in the nuts and taken his gun
Dec 08 15:38:38 Cardoe	antarus: heh. sorry. I'll work on it next time.
Dec 08 15:39:17 Cardoe	It's all fun and games until someone really does point a m16 at you and you know there's a round chambered and the safety is off.
Dec 08 15:39:28 Cardoe	then you drop to the ground and write down every secret password you know
Dec 08 15:39:30 Cardoe	and hand it over
Dec 08 15:40:04 antarus|work	Cardoe, wait, you wouldn't die to protect you cvs access? :P
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Dec 08 15:40:42 *	Now talking on #gentoo-dev
Dec 08 15:40:42 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev is: Gentoo Development || bugs.g.o back on 2.18, read -dev/-core | cvs.g.o is back! (thank cshields and emsearcy) || webapp-config moved to app-admin & python version released - let #gentoo-web know about problems plz || http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org send feedback to curtis119. this is a final release candidate. || HAPPY BDAY TO KUGELFANG
Dec 08 15:40:42 *	Topic for #gentoo-dev set by jforman at Tue Dec  6 09:46:00 2005
Dec 08 15:40:42 *	ChanServ sets modes [#gentoo-dev +o KingTaco]
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Dec 08 15:40:50 Cardoe	that and the password's to jforman's box
Dec 08 15:41:11 spb	die, evil abuser of apostrophes that thou art
Dec 08 15:41:13 jforman	hah
Dec 08 15:41:13 bonsaikitten_	the password's what? ;-)
Dec 08 15:41:14 antarus|work	bah in the end the NSA can probably just break your passphrase your private key </tinfoil>
Dec 08 15:41:26 Cardoe	lol
Dec 08 15:41:29 Cardoe	sorry all.
Dec 08 15:41:44 Cardoe	hint... root:god...
Dec 08 15:41:45 bonsaikitten_	antarus|work, most likely
Dec 08 15:41:50 Cardoe	backwards
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Dec 08 15:42:14 antarus|work	too many yours in that sentence, heh.
Dec 08 15:42:15 Cardoe	sorry jforman
Dec 08 15:42:44 Cardoe	I seriously wanna put a box on the internet with root/god as the user/pass
Dec 08 15:42:52 bonsaikitten_	i have one
Dec 08 15:42:53 Cardoe	see how long it takes someone to pwn it
Dec 08 15:43:11 jkt|	Cardoe: you won't find out :-)
Dec 08 15:43:12 spb	i've done root/foobar before
Dec 08 15:43:20 spyderous	yeah, so somebody hacked into my wife's account the other day
Dec 08 15:43:22 spb	noone did anything to it
Dec 08 15:43:36 spyderous	her name's noel, so apparently that's something scanners check this time of year
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Dec 08 15:44:30 bonsaikitten_	I prefer putting UID 0 as user "frog" and UID 1111 as "root"
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Dec 08 15:45:16 spyderous	i seriously get constantly scanned, though
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Dec 08 15:45:34 spyderous	probably a few hundred attempts a day
Dec 08 15:45:43 bonsaikitten_	spyderous, there's an iptables module that kickbans ssh scan abusers
Dec 08 15:45:46 bonsaikitten_	very nice :-)
Dec 08 15:46:27 antarus|work	ssh [e-mail] ....
Dec 08 15:46:34 spyderous	i don't have iptables on here, just rely on the router fw
Dec 08 15:46:40 Cardoe	antarus: it's dead... so it's ok
Dec 08 15:46:51 bonsaikitten_	antarus|work, that box has as far as I know no user accounts with passwords :-)
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Dec 08 15:49:18 ian|static	... as far as you know >:)
Dec 08 15:49:43 bonsaikitten_	yes
Dec 08 15:49:53 bonsaikitten_	if I find such an account I usually lock it
Dec 08 15:49:58 bonsaikitten_	keeps users honest :-)
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Dec 08 15:54:58 bonsaikitten_	dams!!! :-)
Dec 08 15:56:11 gerrynjr	fizz?
Dec 08 15:57:22 ian|static	whiskey
Dec 08 15:57:32 bonsaikitten_	tango foxtrot?
Dec 08 15:58:50 Chainsaw	Hiya dams.
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Dec 08 16:00:15 dams	hi bonsaikitten_ and Chainsaw :)
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Dec 08 16:12:54 Ticho	vapier: ping
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Dec 08 16:26:13 vapier	Ticho: pong
Dec 08 16:27:17 Ticho	vapier: would you consider netpbm-10.30-r1 ready for stable x86 ? see bug #114812
Dec 08 16:27:20 GenBot	Ticho: Bug 114812; "netpbm-10.29 - pbmtopng segfaults"; [Gentoo Linux :: Unspecified]; {NEW}; Sean D'Epagnier->media-gfx herd; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114812
Dec 08 16:30:03 vapier	fine by me
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Dec 08 16:46:10 joem	latexer: im excited about other people getting muine cvs access
Dec 08 16:46:23 latexer	joem: yeah, should help things.
Dec 08 16:46:41 latexer	joem: i'm at work now, so i can't put in my request for gnome CVS as I don't have my SSH key with me.
Dec 08 16:46:53 latexer	joem: hopefully be the weekend i'll have access and get a few of the pending things in.
Dec 08 16:47:02 joem	there still seems to be a good devel community behind muine even without releases or an active maintainer
Dec 08 16:47:29 latexer	yeah, it's still a great player, regardless of jorn being busy and mostly MIA.
Dec 08 16:49:27 joem	somebody posted an export to gallery2 patch for f-spot today, pretty exciting as well
Dec 08 16:49:34 latexer	nice.
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Dec 08 16:52:39 Halcy0n	Mr_Bones_: ping
Dec 08 16:53:29 Mr_Bones_	pong-ish
Dec 08 16:53:42 Halcy0n	Mr_Bones_: /query ?
Dec 08 16:53:45 Mr_Bones_	sure
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Dec 08 19:02:39 gerrynjr	yay for hosing installs
Dec 08 19:02:47 gerrynjr	fsck nuked /usr/lib
Dec 08 19:02:51 gerrynjr	8-)
Dec 08 19:03:51 latexer	reiser4?
Dec 08 19:03:51 latexer	(:
Dec 08 19:03:58 gerrynjr	nope
Dec 08 19:04:00 gerrynjr	ext3
Dec 08 19:04:15 gerrynjr	started when i noticed that not only did /usr/lib/lib64 point to lib
Dec 08 19:04:31 gerrynjr	but that there was another /usr/lib64 that was a folder
Dec 08 19:04:36 gerrynjr	directory rather
Dec 08 19:04:42 gerrynjr	I was like..
Dec 08 19:04:43 gerrynjr	wtf
Dec 08 19:04:47 gerrynjr	two of the same item?
Dec 08 19:04:54 gerrynjr	one being a link, the other a directory?
Dec 08 19:05:03 gerrynjr	ran fsck
Dec 08 19:05:05 gerrynjr	and bam
Dec 08 19:05:11 gerrynjr	no /usr/lib at all now
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Dec 08 19:05:35 gerrynjr	this install had other cruft that built up over a year and a 1/2
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Dec 08 19:48:51 tsunam	!seen pclouds
Dec 08 19:48:51 glbt	tsunam, I don't remember seeing pclouds.
Dec 08 19:48:57 GenBot	pclouds was last seen 45 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 57 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying 'thanks' in #gentoo-dev.
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Dec 08 20:09:24 lostlogic	grr, /etc/init.d/net doesn't seem to listen to dhcp=nodns at all.
Dec 08 20:09:29 lostlogic	and it's bloody irritating.
Dec 08 20:09:47 Halcy0n	lostlogic: sure you have the syntax right?  Its changed about 100 times in the past 6 months.
Dec 08 20:09:48 SpanKY	Kugelfang: ping
Dec 08 20:09:55 SpanKY	103 times to be exact
Dec 08 20:10:38 lostlogic	config_ath0=( "dhcp" )
Dec 08 20:10:38 lostlogic	dhcp_ath0="nodns"
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Dec 08 20:10:58 SpanKY	bug uberlord when he comes back on
Dec 08 20:11:25 lostlogic	*nod* tanks
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Dec 08 20:20:31 Halcy0n	!metadata gnomemm
Dec 08 20:20:36 jeeves	Halcy0n: Package: dev-cpp/gnomemm  Herd: gnome-mm Maintainer: gnome-mm
Dec 08 20:20:40 Halcy0n	!herd gnome-mm
Dec 08 20:20:40 jeeves	Halcy0n: (gnome-mm) allanonjl, ka0ttic, metalgod
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Dec 08 20:48:26 steev	!herd ia64
Dec 08 20:48:26 jeeves	steev: (ia64) agriffis, kloeri, plasmaroo, vapier
Dec 08 20:48:33 steev	ping ^^
Dec 08 20:49:08 steev	!herd ppc
Dec 08 20:49:08 jeeves	steev: (ppc) anarchy, dams, dertobi123, dholm, dostrow, dragonheart, eklipse, fafhrd, hansmi, josejx, lizb, lu_zero, morfic, pvdabeel, pylon, rajiv, sejo, wormo
Dec 08 20:49:12 steev	ping ^^
Dec 08 20:49:15 steev	and, finally
Dec 08 20:49:19 steev	!herd ppc64
Dec 08 20:49:19 jeeves	steev: (ppc64) corsair, dostrow, nigoro, omkhar, ranger, tgall
Dec 08 20:49:26 steev	ping ^^ as well
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Dec 08 20:50:04 SpanKY	wtf you want
Dec 08 20:50:31 steev	i want to finally add the new apmd to portage but it is going to depend on powermgmt-base, which is only marked amd64 and x86
Dec 08 20:51:02 steev	so, i want it marked ia64, ppc, and ppc64, although i previously got ppc approval, i cannot remember whom it was
Dec 08 20:52:11 SpanKY	no test suite huh
Dec 08 20:52:42 steev	as far as i can tell, its just a couple of scripts
Dec 08 20:53:53 steev	mainly just on_ac_power
Dec 08 20:54:22 SpanKY	i'll add ~ia64 but no stable :p
Dec 08 20:54:33 steev	wasn't planning on stable
Dec 08 20:54:59 steev	im just not sure how to go about this
Dec 08 20:55:23 steev	because i think i need to p.mask the "new" apmd till those get added, and so i know i need to open a bug
Dec 08 20:56:18 nerdboy	yo peeps
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Dec 08 20:58:34 SpanKY	is there a rsync mirror at OSU ?
Dec 08 20:58:52 SpanKY	cshields / Ramereth : ^^^
Dec 08 20:58:54 ciaranm	rsync1?
Dec 08 20:59:22 jforman	ciaranm: nope, thats not at the OSL
Dec 08 20:59:35 jforman	SpanKY: there is, but its restricted
Dec 08 20:59:39 SpanKY	weak !
Dec 08 20:59:50 jforman	to you it is
Dec 08 20:59:53 ciaranm	you're not leet enough
Dec 08 21:00:12 SpanKY	http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/not-leet-enough.gif
Dec 08 21:00:29 ciaranm	indeed
Dec 08 21:01:05 Ramereth	SpanKY: raptor
Dec 08 21:01:13 SpanKY	raptor.g.o ?
Dec 08 21:01:16 Ramereth	yup
Dec 08 21:01:22 Ramereth	why do you ask?
Dec 08 21:01:23 SpanKY	thx dad
Dec 08 21:01:29 *	jforman waits for SpanKY to hit the limit
Dec 08 21:01:37 SpanKY	because i wanted to set SYNC on my dev box at OSU :P
Dec 08 21:03:19 ciaranm	fastE is too slow :(
Dec 08 21:03:39 JoseJX	steev: File a bug for the ppc team, we'll test it when we get a chance.
Dec 08 21:03:47 steev	alrighty
Dec 08 21:03:50 nerdboy	nope, none of the namerica* boxes look familiar
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Dec 08 21:10:02 spyderous	SpanKY: why iggy?
Dec 08 21:11:24 SpanKY	it was the joke at the time
Dec 08 21:11:27 SpanKY	that's an old pic
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Dec 08 22:13:48 Cardoe	SpanKY: that picture is so amazing
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Dec 08 22:16:20 fox2mike	morning folks
Dec 08 22:18:27 latexer	anybody using gnome 2.12 and successfully using anything newer than udev-072?
Dec 08 22:18:43 fox2mike	latexer: yeah
Dec 08 22:18:47 latexer	or successfully using a prism54 card or any other card that uses firmware uploading?
Dec 08 22:18:47 fox2mike	lemme verify
Dec 08 22:19:09 fox2mike	udev 073
Dec 08 22:19:36 latexer	ok, cause 077 *definitely* didn't jive.
Dec 08 22:19:38 fox2mike	gnome 2.12.1
Dec 08 22:19:52 fox2mike	ah
Dec 08 22:21:54 Cardoe	fox2mike: are you sure?
Dec 08 22:21:54 Cardoe	073 is horribly fubar'd
Dec 08 22:22:06 Cardoe	073 is very bad
Dec 08 22:22:10 Cardoe	latexer: yeah it's all fubar'd
Dec 08 22:22:18 fox2mike	Cardoe: yes I am, and can you elaborate? :)
Dec 08 22:22:33 Cardoe	uh plug a USB device in that Nautilus should use
Dec 08 22:22:35 fox2mike	* sys-fs/udev
Dec 08 22:22:35 fox2mike	     Available versions:  068-r1 069 070-r1 071 072 073
Dec 08 22:22:37 fox2mike	     Installed:           073
Dec 08 22:22:39 Cardoe	like a USB drive
Dec 08 22:22:45 Cardoe	watch Nautilus die
Dec 08 22:22:52 fox2mike	I've done that like n times already
Dec 08 22:22:58 Cardoe	not possible
Dec 08 22:23:00 fox2mike	and nautilus hasn't died
Dec 08 22:23:05 fox2mike	lemme do it again
Dec 08 22:23:06 Cardoe	it's humanly impossible
Dec 08 22:23:12 Cardoe	you're using a custom udev rules file
Dec 08 22:23:13 fox2mike	and maybe send a screenie? :p
Dec 08 22:23:16 fox2mike	nope
Dec 08 22:23:24 Cardoe	you haven't run etc-update
Dec 08 22:23:28 fox2mike	nope
Dec 08 22:23:31 Cardoe	and you have run udevstart
Dec 08 22:23:51 Cardoe	it's physically IMPOSSIBLE to plug a USB device into udev 073 and have it work and mount
Dec 08 22:23:52 fox2mike	Cardoe: yes
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Dec 08 22:24:07 fox2mike	Cardoe: run me thru the steps, and we'll see :)
Dec 08 22:24:36 Cardoe	no
Dec 08 22:24:37 Cardoe	google it
Dec 08 22:24:39 Cardoe	read the mailing list
Dec 08 22:24:44 Cardoe	and no matter what
Dec 08 22:24:47 Cardoe	I still won't believe you
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Dec 08 22:25:11 fox2mike	shyam@trinity ~ $ udevinfo -V
Dec 08 22:25:13 fox2mike	udevinfo, version 073
Dec 08 22:25:25 fox2mike	what exactly with nautilus?
Dec 08 22:25:34 fox2mike	I use the shell for USB stuff, most of the times
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Dec 08 22:26:28 fox2mike	Cardoe: ^
Dec 08 22:27:04 Cardoe	udev 073 does not name devices correctly
Dec 08 22:27:21 fox2mike	okay, I _might_ the exception here
Dec 08 22:27:25 fox2mike	be
Dec 08 22:27:30 fox2mike	since it works fine
Dec 08 22:27:45 Cardoe	it passes the wrong params to scripts.
Dec 08 22:29:43 fox2mike	hmm
Dec 08 22:30:28 Cardoe	ask greg
Dec 08 22:30:33 Cardoe	and his apology to the mailing list
Dec 08 22:31:02 fox2mike	exceptions
Dec 08 22:31:16 fox2mike	I'm not saying that it's not b0rked. I'm saying it works for me :)
Dec 08 22:31:27 fox2mike	without screwing up.
Dec 08 22:32:07 fox2mike	and has been doing so for almost a month now, since Nov 14
Dec 08 22:32:15 fox2mike	when I installed 073
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Dec 08 22:49:47 fox2mike	anyone know a good host to run an IRCd off?
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Dec 08 23:58:02 karltk	Halcy0n: mail me
Dec 08 23:58:13 Halcy0n	karltk: I'm here :)
Dec 08 23:58:25 Halcy0n	karltk: just want to know if its alright for the newest drscheme to go stable.
Dec 08 23:58:46 karltk	Halcy0n: ah, ok.
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Dec 08 23:59:00 karltk	Halcy0n: let's see
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Dec 08 23:59:36 Halcy0n	Seemed fine with all of my old programs :)
Dec 09 00:00:18 karltk	Halcy0n: yeah, I think 209 is safe to go stable
Dec 09 00:00:32 Halcy0n	karltk: alright, thanks.
Dec 09 00:00:34 karltk	Halcy0n: if you're on the x86 team, go ahead.
Dec 09 00:00:50 karltk	Halcy0n: mention it in bug 114165
Dec 09 00:00:53 GenBot	karltk: Bug 114165; "Move drscheme-209 to stable on x86 and ppc"; [Gentoo Linux :: Ebuilds]; {NEW}; David Gurvich->Karl Trygve Kalleberg; http://bugs.gentoo.org/114165
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Dec 09 00:01:02 Halcy0n	karltk: yup, I'll handle it.
Dec 09 00:01:07 karltk	thx.
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Dec 09 01:27:54 cshields	SpanKY: your question get answered?  (off my scrollback, I was out at the san jose sharks game)
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Dec 09 03:30:59 dams	gooood morning
Dec 09 03:31:02 dams	and plop.
Dec 09 03:31:31 phreak``	morning dams
Dec 09 03:31:41 dams	hey
Dec 09 03:34:34 strerror_work	lo lo
Dec 09 03:35:21 tigger^	ey ben/dams
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Dec 09 03:36:24 dams	hey tigger^
Dec 09 03:36:46 Flameeyes	bugzilla gone in the heaven of the trackers? :P
Dec 09 03:37:02 dams	tigger^: I was thinking of putting flagedit stable. Any counter-argument from you?
Dec 09 03:37:13 tigger^	dams: nope, it's all worked fine for me
Dec 09 03:37:22 axxo	 /19
Dec 09 03:37:29 tigger^	dams: it will be nice not to have to edit package.keywords by hand before getting flagedit heh
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Dec 09 03:37:37 tigger^	irony there somewhere :P
Dec 09 03:37:42 tigger^	UberLord: gnome and vim
Dec 09 03:37:46 tigger^	(morning)
Dec 09 03:37:49 UberLord	steely too
Dec 09 03:37:54 UberLord	(ditto)
Dec 09 03:37:59 UberLord	kde and vim
Dec 09 03:38:02 *	UberLord is ex gnome user
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Dec 09 03:38:42 phreak``	Flameeyes: go stab jforman ;)
Dec 09 03:39:00 Flameeyes	UberLord++
Dec 09 03:39:12 phreak``	morn Roy :P
Dec 09 03:39:17 Flameeyes	phreak``, nah, i'll offer him a sacrifical goat in case
Dec 09 03:39:26 phreak``	haha :)
Dec 09 03:39:51 UberLord	phreak``: morning
Dec 09 03:40:02 UberLord	Flameeyes: now, fix the kde bugs I reported - kthnxbye
Dec 09 03:40:10 phreak``	UberLord: on a dhcp-world domination trip ?
Dec 09 03:40:21 Flameeyes	UberLord, i'm in a fixing spree right now, so if bugzilla resurrect, it might happen
Dec 09 03:40:22 *	phreak`` hides :P
Dec 09 03:40:48 UberLord	phreak``: why not? I mean to make dhcp clients work the same way from a baselayout perspective which gives the user ultimate choice
Dec 09 03:41:08 UberLord	the irony is the the "Gentoo Default" is dhcpcd which is the worst of the four imo
Dec 09 03:41:09 phreak``	UberLord: well i think its a good one for all dhcp-users :)
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Dec 09 03:41:42 UberLord	dhcpcd code is downright *nasty*
Dec 09 03:41:59 tigger^	UberLord: is that ISC stuff?
Dec 09 03:42:20 UberLord	tigger^: ayr
Dec 09 03:42:22 UberLord	aye even
Dec 09 03:42:31 UberLord	oh dhcpcd? no that's not
Dec 09 03:42:54 tigger^	heh
Dec 09 03:43:04 UberLord	technically, I'm half of upstream for dhcpcd now, pump upstream (redhat) don't maintain pump anymore, which just leaves isc's dhcp and udcpc
Dec 09 03:43:09 UberLord	udhcpc even
Dec 09 03:43:32 UberLord	(simon kelly of debian is the other upstream maintainer for dhcpcd)
Dec 09 03:44:25 UberLord	Flameeyes: is there an open kmail bug where non of the plugins work? (spelling, crypto, etc)
Dec 09 03:44:51 Flameeyes	UberLord, not that i know of, works all fine here, although kmail 3.5.0 born under a bad star...
Dec 09 03:45:42 UberLord	Flameeyes: cryos can repo it
Dec 09 03:46:53 Flameeyes	ok i closed last stricter bug from Betelgeuse that i could find
Dec 09 03:47:03 dams	tigger^: yes, I came to the situation when installing flagedit :)
Dec 09 03:47:15 dams	I wanted to make a demonstration to a friend
Dec 09 03:47:52 phreak``	seems like he forgot to fix it :P
Dec 09 03:48:08 phreak``	Flameeyes: would you be so kind and go change a simple spelling in krdc ?! :)
Dec 09 03:48:23 phreak``	(DESCRIPTION that is)
Dec 09 03:49:20 phreak``	s/cient/client/
Dec 09 03:51:33 Flameeyes	phreak``, just a sec that i had a commit :|
Dec 09 03:51:36 Flameeyes	erm conflict
Dec 09 03:52:19 Kugelfang	SpanKY: pong
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Dec 09 03:55:13 Flameeyes	UberLord, a part the kmail problem, which other bugs you reported?
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Dec 09 03:56:36 UberLord	Flameeyes: cryos can repo the crypto plugin for kmail not working
Dec 09 03:56:45 UberLord	Flameeyes: didn't ask him about the spelling one
Dec 09 03:57:09 UberLord	I do have aspell configured and working on the commandline btw - and did before emergine any kde stuff
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Dec 09 03:58:56 Flameeyes	UberLord, kdelibs compiled with +spell ?
Dec 09 03:59:20 UberLord	Flameeyes: yes
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Dec 09 03:59:59 UberLord	this is on x86 and amd64 - both gcc4 if that helps any (probably not though)
Dec 09 04:00:23 Flameeyes	amd64 with gcc4 here...
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Dec 09 04:08:59 beejay|o1f	hey Flameeyes
Dec 09 04:09:08 Flameeyes	hey beejay|o1f
Dec 09 04:09:16 beejay|o1f	What do the italians do when they won the soccer world-championship?
Dec 09 04:09:38 beejay|o1f	They shut down their Playstation and head to bed
Dec 09 04:09:47 Flameeyes	beejay|o1f, no idea, i hate soccer
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Dec 09 04:19:46 UberLord	beejay|o1f: funny :)
Dec 09 04:21:36 Flameeyes	i can't see what you all find in soccer...
Dec 09 04:22:14 jakub	hey! soccer rocks... you can drink beer while watching it! ;p
Dec 09 04:22:16 UberLord	GOAAALLLLLL!
Dec 09 04:22:21 UberLord	jakub++
Dec 09 04:22:48 Flameeyes	jakub, i'm abstemious.. that might be the reason then
Dec 09 04:23:06 *	Flameeyes ported his keyhack to xorg-modular
Dec 09 04:23:11 jakub	ah... yeah, that's a bad disease ;p
Dec 09 04:23:31 Flameeyes	but... the problem of xorg-modular for me is that it does not work fine with us_intl layout ;_;
Dec 09 04:23:56 Flameeyes	i can live without on the ibook, but i can't on my main system, until that is fixed i can't move :|
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Dec 09 04:26:59 phreak``	Flameeyes: thanks :)
Dec 09 04:28:38 Flameeyes	phreak``, thank you for reporting
Dec 09 04:30:10 MetalGOD	morning guys
Dec 09 04:30:18 Flameeyes	hi MetalGOD
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Dec 09 04:30:26 MetalGOD	hey Flameeyes
Dec 09 04:31:37 UberLord	hi MetalGOD
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Dec 09 04:34:55 brix	morn
Dec 09 04:35:55 UberLord	hi brix
Dec 09 04:37:44 brix	hi Roy
Dec 09 04:41:25 phreak``	Flameeyes: nah, no problemo :)
Dec 09 04:42:00 UberLord	damn, my sekrit identity is not so sekrit anymore :/
Dec 09 04:42:37 phreak``	UberLord: was it ever sekrit ?!
Dec 09 04:44:11 UberLord	up until I started blogging, yes ....
Dec 09 04:44:34 UberLord	I wasn't even on the roll-call up until a month or two back - lol
Dec 09 04:44:58 phreak``	UberLord: same here :)
Dec 09 04:45:21 UberLord	unless of course, people saw my Real Name on my emails I occasionally sent
Dec 09 04:47:07 Flameeyes	no bugzilla? :P
Dec 09 04:47:22 UberLord	ok, that too
Dec 09 04:47:45 UberLord	bah
Dec 09 04:49:47 UberLord	LINUAGS ja is Japanese yes?
Dec 09 04:50:15 phreak``	UberLord: yah :)
Dec 09 04:50:20 UberLord	good
Dec 09 04:50:26 phreak``	(afair)
Dec 09 04:50:34 brix	it is
Dec 09 04:50:36 UberLord	not that I understand a character of it
Dec 09 04:50:51 brix	how about a bit?
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Dec 09 04:51:10 UberLord	heh - we're both playing on words ;)
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Dec 09 04:54:12 brix	are you sure? ;)
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Dec 09 05:36:50 lu_zero	hi Lars =)
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Dec 09 05:54:59 bonsaikitten	lcars, pingy
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Dec 09 06:28:35 lu_zero	!herd text-markup
Dec 09 06:28:36 jeeves	lu_zero: (text-markup) leonardop, mattam, nattfodd, pclouds, pylon, usata
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Dec 09 06:31:25 lcars	bonsaikitten: pong
Dec 09 06:31:37 bonsaikitten	lcars, got some time for gwn?
Dec 09 06:31:48 lcars	sure..query me
Dec 09 06:31:57 bonsaikitten	ok
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Dec 09 06:35:06 lu_zero	djvu got released
Dec 09 06:35:14 *	lu_zero wants to test it a bit
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Dec 09 06:36:52 Flameeyes	lu_zero, new version?
Dec 09 06:36:58 lu_zero	.16
Dec 09 06:37:09 lu_zero	uff
Dec 09 06:37:15 Flameeyes	lu_zero, notable changes that you want to test?
Dec 09 06:37:36 lu_zero	Flameeyes remind me to snapshot today mlt and kill avifile
Dec 09 06:37:50 Flameeyes	lu_zero, let me guess, you just seen the new dupe, eh?
Dec 09 06:38:36 lu_zero	I'm waiting for too much
Dec 09 06:38:54 lu_zero	and the transition may be not as swift as hoped
Dec 09 06:39:14 *	lu_zero needs the status of jahashaka from zypher too
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Dec 09 06:46:58 seemant	morning everyone
Dec 09 06:47:28 gustavoz	mr seemant, welcome to the #gentoo-dev channel, please respect etiquette rules ;-)
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Dec 09 06:47:43 seemant	gustavoz: haha, it's too early for me to flame people
Dec 09 06:47:49 jakub	:=]
Dec 09 06:48:07 gustavoz	still in need of that dose of coffee kick? :P
Dec 09 06:48:37 seemant	yeah, something like that
Dec 09 06:49:03 UberLord	s/dose of coffee// ;)
Dec 09 06:52:33 *	Cardoe gives seemant some coffee and sits back to watch.
Dec 09 06:52:48 Cardoe	take that as encouragement
Dec 09 06:53:15 seemant	hey Cardoe, you've been missing
Dec 09 06:53:19 seemant	been looking for you for a while
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Dec 09 06:55:03 seemant	tercel: you still in rochester?
Dec 09 06:55:18 lisa	scary rochester
Dec 09 06:55:27 Cardoe	seemant: Yeah I left my map behind
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Dec 09 06:55:38 Cardoe	seemant: school & work has been killing me
Dec 09 06:55:41 Cardoe	freaking bills.
Dec 09 06:55:44 tercel	seemant: yea, I have GRE's on saturday and then finals untill the 20th and then I'm free for winter break
Dec 09 06:56:31 seemant	tercel: cool beans
Dec 09 06:56:35 tercel	lisa: yea the snow has begun now
Dec 09 06:56:41 seemant	I hate rochester
Dec 09 06:56:47 lisa	hehe i've been keeping an eye on radar there
Dec 09 06:56:48 seemant	I hate the northeast this morning
Dec 09 06:56:53 lisa	tercel: you guys must have gotten hammered last night
Dec 09 06:56:59 seemant	stupid fricking snow
Dec 09 06:57:12 tercel	so we wont be seeing the sun or the grass again until... mid june?
Dec 09 06:57:23 lisa	about right
Dec 09 06:57:23 lisa	heh
Dec 09 06:57:52 seemant	isn't june when the skies turn gray and it becomes rainchester though?
Dec 09 06:57:58 tercel	and then it will be like 8000 degrees for 4 weeks before it starts snowing again
Dec 09 06:58:00 seemant	you might catch 5 mins of sun if you're lucky
Dec 09 06:58:06 tercel	hahah
Dec 09 06:58:07 tercel	yea
Dec 09 06:58:37 seemant	tercel: when do you get to leave that god-forsaken place/
Dec 09 06:58:48 tercel	one morning it was sunny and then I took a shower and when I got out it was raining and hailing
Dec 09 06:58:55 tercel	you mean perminantly?
Dec 09 06:59:03 seemant	there's no other kind, baby
Dec 09 06:59:10 tercel	we grad school next year, but I don't know where yet
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Dec 09 06:59:19 tercel	s/we/well,/
Dec 09 06:59:24 seemant	where applied?
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Dec 09 07:00:12 tercel	I havent yet, I may have to apply late because I just have no time for applications this semester
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Dec 09 07:00:49 seemant	what programmes for gradschool?
Dec 09 07:00:57 tercel	I don't mind that though, all that means is I may end up having a long summer and starting in the spring
Dec 09 07:01:10 tercel	experimental particle physics or condensed matter
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Dec 09 07:01:44 seemant	arizona's good for that sorta shit isn't it?
Dec 09 07:01:51 seemant	or berkeley or something
Dec 09 07:02:04 seemant	one of thems on the west coast type schools
Dec 09 07:02:15 tercel	I may even und up staying in rochester, we have a good particle group and I'm already working for them, I'm in 2 research groups at the moment
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Dec 09 07:02:35 tercel	yea I've heard arizona is ok, but they are better for astrophysics I think
Dec 09 07:02:45 seemant	yeah, uofr's quite good for that sorta nonsense as well
Dec 09 07:02:56 seemant	had a few friends doing that stuff back in the day
Dec 09 07:03:10 tercel	yea, our particle group is huge
Dec 09 07:03:39 tercel	one of them was on the team that discovered the top quark
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Dec 09 07:04:29 AllanonJL|W	seemant: snow is coming down here, huh :)
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Dec 09 07:04:53 seemant	AllanonJL|W: like a mofo
Dec 09 07:08:05 Flameeyes	ok i'm going in crazy mode... who had the patches to enable the split debug files?
Dec 09 07:08:14 seemant	Josh_B: when you're awake -- libXfont fails patching the configurable-encodingsdir patch
Dec 09 07:08:37 *	jakub sniffs b0rkage on Flameeyes' box ;p
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Dec 09 07:08:59 Flameeyes	jakub, just kopete crashes when i ask for configuration dialog
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Dec 09 07:09:18 jakub	hmm, minor glitch, who needs configuration ;p
Dec 09 07:09:36 Cardoe	seemant: you know..
Dec 09 07:09:43 Cardoe	I was thinking of going for a swim outside
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Dec 09 07:09:57 seemant	Cardoe: screw you floridians
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Dec 09 07:10:10 jakub	heh
Dec 09 07:13:04 Flameeyes	so, where was that patch?
Dec 09 07:14:42 phreak``	Flameeyes: b.g.o :P
Dec 09 07:14:57 Flameeyes	phreak``, a hint like a bug # that i don't know? :P
Dec 09 07:15:11 phreak``	uh .. seems like someone stabbed jforman ;)
Dec 09 07:16:24 Cardoe	seemant: lol
Dec 09 07:16:33 zzam	solar: ping
Dec 09 07:16:53 phreak``	Flameeyes: #114976
Dec 09 07:17:48 Flameeyes	phreak``, thanks
Dec 09 07:18:06 Flameeyes	does not seem so
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Dec 09 07:19:37 phreak``	Flameeyes: what doesn't seem so ?! libXfont not failing or to be that bug you searched for ?
Dec 09 07:20:02 Flameeyes	not be that what i was looking for
Dec 09 07:20:23 phreak``	aaah the split debug :) solar was that (afaik)
Dec 09 07:20:31 Flameeyes	solar, ping
Dec 09 07:22:05 phreak``	Flameeyes: what are you after ?! you want the patch itself or know something about it ?!
Dec 09 07:22:25 Flameeyes	phreak``, the patch.. and actually, i need to ask him also something else :P
Dec 09 07:22:39 phreak``	Flameeyes: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/patch_overlay/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.0.53_rc7-prepstrip.patch
Dec 09 07:22:45 Flameeyes	thanks :)
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Dec 09 07:22:53 phreak``	nah :P not for that ;)
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Dec 09 07:23:06 phreak``	Flameeyes: just open up your kmail next time ;)
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Dec 09 07:23:24 Flameeyes	phreak``, i cleaned up gentoo-dev lately
Dec 09 07:23:32 Flameeyes	too much flames :P
Dec 09 07:24:10 jakub	phreak``: t3h link no workie ;p
Dec 09 07:24:25 phreak``	jakub: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/patch_overlay/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.0.53_rc7-prepstrip.patch <-- ?
Dec 09 07:24:30 jakub	yup
Dec 09 07:24:41 phreak``	eh ?!
Dec 09 07:24:46 Flameeyes	wfm
Dec 09 07:24:53 jakub	ayeee... loads when tried five times...
Dec 09 07:25:02 jakub	seems like jforman's goats ;p
Dec 09 07:25:14 phreak``	haha .. again ?!
Dec 09 07:25:19 jforman	looks fine to me
Dec 09 07:25:25 jakub	:)
Dec 09 07:25:26 phreak``	same here *g*
Dec 09 07:25:44 jforman	jakub: i'm finally running a test bugzilla at home, so now i can break it more
Dec 09 07:25:55 jakub	yay! :)
Dec 09 07:26:05 geoman-campus	Flameeyes: s/s/yes/
Dec 09 07:26:14 phreak``	jforman: grabbed the whole 1.8G database ?!
Dec 09 07:26:15 *	phreak`` runs
Dec 09 07:26:20 jforman	phreak``: yup
Dec 09 07:26:38 geoman-campus	jforman's pipe is large
Dec 09 07:26:39 Flameeyes	geomani haven't wrote so much lately
Dec 09 07:26:43 phreak``	jforman: you're crazy :P hope your cable modem exploded ;)
Dec 09 07:26:57 jakub	jforman: upstream should provide free monkeys to upgrade t3h thing ;p
Dec 09 07:27:06 geoman-campus	Flameeyes: it was a joke
Dec 09 07:27:08 jforman	geoman-campus: nah...i've got a 5Mbit DL, but the box was only giving me like 300KB/sec :/
Dec 09 07:27:26 Flameeyes	geoman-campus, mine, too... i have a few threads open now for last rites :P
Dec 09 07:27:55 jforman	woh...sponsorered links in the main gmail screen now ?!
Dec 09 07:29:05 *	jakub kicks FF again
Dec 09 07:29:21 jakub	WTF does it autoappend .com to the patch path?!?!
Dec 09 07:29:21 UberLord	gmail? what is this?
Dec 09 07:29:34 phreak``	jakub: lol
Dec 09 07:29:53 jakub	damned this thing will *go* *fast*
Dec 09 07:29:58 phreak``	jakub: go kick 'em (bloody FF)
Dec 09 07:30:23 jakub	I've had really enough, emerge opera now...
Dec 09 07:30:31 Flameeyes	jakub, emerge konqueror
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Dec 09 07:30:53 phreak``	Flameeyes: fonts look still like *bah* in konqui ;(
Dec 09 07:31:04 jakub	:(
Dec 09 07:31:06 phreak``	(by default :P)
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Dec 09 07:31:18 Flameeyes	phreak``, bitstream++
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Dec 09 07:32:49 phreak``	Flameeyes: yah, bitstream is really great ... btw: you ever tried to open up your xml-stuff (d.g.o/~flameeyes/kdeapps) with firefox ?! :P
Dec 09 07:33:10 rane	!seen carpaski
Dec 09 07:33:10 Flameeyes	phreak``, yep firefox 1.5 on osx
Dec 09 07:33:10 glbt	carpaski (n=carpaski@gentoo/developer/carpaski) was last seen quitting from #gentoo 14 hours, 27 minutes ago stating ({"Home..."}).
Dec 09 07:33:11 GenBot	carpaski was last seen 17 hours, 41 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'idl: EBADF on what? You're selecting for read, and doing the +1, right?' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 09 07:33:13 rane	(sorry gentoo-dev)
Dec 09 07:33:26 phreak``	rane: for wat ?
Dec 09 07:33:27 jakub	jebus, this is just too much
Dec 09 07:33:29 jakub	http://www.http.com//dev.gentoo.org/~solar/patch_overlay/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.0.53_rc7-prepstrip.patch
Dec 09 07:33:31 phreak``	*what
Dec 09 07:33:33 jakub	?!?!?! ^^^
Dec 09 07:33:44 phreak``	jakub: yeah, dumb ass completion :)
Dec 09 07:33:55 jakub	bunch of lamerzzz :X
Dec 09 07:33:55 rane	making bots flood
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Dec 09 07:34:20 jakub	it originally appended like .patch.com and now this
Dec 09 07:34:32 fmccor	!seen seemant
Dec 09 07:34:32 glbt	fmccor, seemant is right here!
Dec 09 07:34:38 GenBot	seemant was last seen 24 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying 'Cardoe: screw you floridians' in #gentoo-dev.
Dec 09 07:35:56 phreak``	Flameeyes: looks that way here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~phreak/desktop/diego-xml.png
Dec 09 07:36:23 jakub	yay!
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Dec 09 07:37:17 jakub	phreak``: hmm, fun... I just see some wildly scattered plaintext crap instead
Dec 09 07:37:56 Flameeyes	phreak``, firefox is gay in that case... because it's plain html...
Dec 09 07:38:01 jeeves	jforman: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114979 nor, P2, All, [e-mail]->[e-mail], NEW, pending, Chagning several bugs at once does not work anymore.
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Dec 09 07:38:15 marienz	same as phreak`` gets here
Dec 09 07:38:40 jakub	yay! now I get the same as well... the thing is fubar
Dec 09 07:38:49 Flameeyes	it was fine on firefox 1.5 that i tried it, it's fine in opera... wth?!
Dec 09 07:38:49 marienz	hmm odd
Dec 09 07:38:52 jforman	bah
Dec 09 07:38:57 Flameeyes	can someone tell me which content-type it gets?
Dec 09 07:38:59 jakub	unmerging FF now
Dec 09 07:39:25 marienz	I think you're missing the xhtml namespace
Dec 09 07:39:30 Flameeyes	ouch, wtf, i know why :|
Dec 09 07:39:42 marienz	application/xhtml+xml content type
Dec 09 07:39:46 phreak``	hrhr :P
Dec 09 07:39:52 Flameeyes	i put symlinks from kdeapps.xhtml -> kdeapps.html
Dec 09 07:39:59 Flameeyes	because i had 404 in kdeapps.xhtml
Dec 09 07:40:11 marienz	kdeapps.html works
Dec 09 07:40:11 Flameeyes	and there's no way to have redirects in .htaccess :|
Dec 09 07:40:19 Flameeyes	try now, it should work also without extension
Dec 09 07:40:38 marienz	works
Dec 09 07:40:41 phreak``	boy, he finally fixed it :P
Dec 09 07:40:49 Flameeyes	flameeyes@toucan public_html $ rm downloads.xhtml kdeapps.xhtml projects.x*
Dec 09 07:40:50 *	phreak`` hides again :)
Dec 09 07:40:51 Flameeyes	that was the fix
Dec 09 07:41:25 Flameeyes	Ramereth, ping... there's no way to get a way to have permanent redirects for pages that change url in dgo homes? :)
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Dec 09 07:45:21 marienz	Flameeyes: the "valid xhtml 1.0 strict" link at the bottom says it's not valid :P
Dec 09 07:45:22 hansmi	Flameeyes: .htaccess with mod_rewrite doesn't work?
Dec 09 07:45:47 Flameeyes	hansmi, both Rewrite and Redirect rules on .htaccess are blocked
Dec 09 07:46:03 Flameeyes	marienz, i validate it from time to time, sometimes i get failures due to scripts and such
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Dec 09 07:46:36 Flameeyes	marienz, which page? index it is
Dec 09 07:47:12 Flameeyes	oh i see it's the project xsl that's breaking it, i'll see to fix it later
Dec 09 07:47:33 marienz	Flameeyes: kdeapps
Dec 09 07:47:47 Flameeyes	yep kdeapps and projects use the same xsl
Dec 09 07:48:03 marienz	index validates
Dec 09 07:48:27 marienz	does miss the xhtml namespace too though :P
Dec 09 07:48:36 marienz	w3 validator is weird and doesn't care
Dec 09 07:49:12 Flameeyes	marienz, if i add it, ie does not load the site
Dec 09 07:49:16 marienz	nod
Dec 09 07:49:27 Flameeyes	and firefox does fooly things with scripts
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Dec 09 08:03:17 jforman	neysx: i see your bug. not sure why that's still an issue since i copied back over the old setup. hopefully this weekend i can put back on 2.20 once i test here
Dec 09 08:03:34 neysx	k
Dec 09 08:04:47 jforman	hah!
Dec 09 08:05:00 jforman	experimntal version of bugzilla..."New Bugzilla installations will use UTF-8 encoding for all pages."
Dec 09 08:05:18 Ramereth	Flameeyes: can't you just use .htaccess files to achive that yourself?
Dec 09 08:05:20 *	neysx does a wild dance around his study
Dec 09 08:05:21 Flameeyes	jforman, oh.. that's why i had to re-set my name on fdo bugzilla then
Dec 09 08:05:35 Flameeyes	Ramereth, as i said, redirect and rewrite are blocked by .htaccess
Dec 09 08:05:36 jforman	Flameeyes: but thats on version 2.21.1, which is way experimntal at present
Dec 09 08:06:03 Ramereth	ah
Dec 09 08:06:19 Flameeyes	jforman, no idea, i just know i was appearing with the wrong-encoded name
Dec 09 08:06:24 Ramereth	i'll have to chat with klieber about seeing if we can enable at least redirects, but i'm nto sure
Dec 09 08:06:39 Flameeyes	Ramereth, thanks :)
Dec 09 08:08:21 ciaranm	Ramereth: klieber said no. i asked previously
Dec 09 08:08:31 ciaranm	fmccor: substance, not substance abuse.
Dec 09 08:08:38 ciaranm	ok, i'm off. have fun kiddies
Dec 09 08:09:03 Ramereth	Flameeyes: then, there's your answer :)
Dec 09 08:09:07 Ramereth	sorry
Dec 09 08:09:07 Flameeyes	sigh
Dec 09 08:09:25 *	Flameeyes kicks the stupid firefox unable to display a page
Dec 09 08:10:00 brix	sigh
Dec 09 08:10:04 marienz	eh?
Dec 09 08:10:07 brix	anybody here using avr-libc?
Dec 09 08:10:29 Flameeyes	if we all used konqueror, the problem was no way a problem! :P
Dec 09 08:10:32 marienz	just add the xhtml namespace bit if you want to serve it as xhtml (although ie will hate you for it :P)
Dec 09 08:10:32 brix	it seems that the vector table for atmega16 is offset by one
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Dec 09 08:11:21 Flameeyes	marienz, i don't want to serve it as xhtml.. at least, i don't want to let it possible to be, the problem is that i need the html served by default.. if it serves the xhtml it does not work :|
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Dec 09 08:11:43 Flameeyes	the .xhtml pages were only to fix the 404 problems
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Dec 09 08:12:07 marienz	should work in firefox, probably won't work in ie
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Dec 09 08:12:16 Flameeyes	marienz, won't work fine on firefox
Dec 09 08:12:23 Flameeyes	for example the visit counter will disappear
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Dec 09 08:12:27 marienz	may need small changes to work in firefox, I used to have an url to a page listing them
Dec 09 08:13:18 Flameeyes	marienz, firefox does not allow to create content inside an element while using xhtml extension
Dec 09 08:13:46 marienz	ahhh, you're probably right about document.write
Dec 09 08:13:47 marienz	sorry :(
Dec 09 08:14:35 Flameeyes	not only document.write, there's somethign else that does not work, not sure the name but i remember having to serve a perfectly-xhtml-compatible page as html to firefox or the javascript died badly
Dec 09 08:14:40 Flameeyes	the same goes for the counter on my site
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Dec 09 08:15:10 Flameeyes	that's why i use names without type, so if it will ever be fixed, i can always change the format without having to update links
Dec 09 08:16:05 Flameeyes	kloeri, ehi you could patch apache to add an option to only allow redirects on .htaccess.. ;P
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Dec 09 08:16:31 kloeri	Flameeyes: hmm?
Dec 09 08:16:45 Flameeyes	see above the discussion about redirects that are not allowed on dgo
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Dec 09 08:17:29 kloeri	dgo redirections isn't allowed on purpose iirc
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Dec 09 08:18:14 kloeri	I think somebody used to redirect to a site that didn't have anything to do with gentoo or something like that
Dec 09 08:18:33 Flameeyes	ok so i misinterpreted the "enable redirect only" bit ^^;
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Dec 09 08:19:01 kloeri	anyway, ask infra about redirection
Dec 09 08:19:26 kloeri	I only care about default apache configuration which doesn't accept .htaccess at all :)
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Dec 09 08:19:41 Flameeyes	i actually thought it mean that you had to enable all .htaccess support to enable redirect (that would be bad)
Dec 09 08:19:44 marienz	suppose it'd need a trick to allow redirection only "inside" dev.gentoo.org or even d.g.o/~you
Dec 09 08:20:01 Flameeyes	kloeri, i'm an happy lighttpd user, so i don't even have to think about them :P
Dec 09 08:20:35 kloeri	marienz: I can't really see that happening
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Dec 09 08:20:58 kloeri	Flameeyes: you can enable whatever you like in .htaccess using AllovOverride
Dec 09 08:21:17 kloeri	default is AllowOverride None which just ignores .htaccess completely
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Dec 09 08:21:34 Flameeyes	kloeri, got it
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Dec 09 08:21:42 kloeri	it used to be AllowOverride All which is bad for security
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Dec 09 08:21:50 Flameeyes	yep that is bad
Dec 09 08:22:11 lu_zero	scox_ ssh?
Dec 09 08:22:30 scox_	oh
Dec 09 08:22:36 scox_	i said, ssh is laggy :°
Dec 09 08:22:38 scox_	)
Dec 09 08:22:38 kang	scox_: rappel (voila) :)
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Dec 09 08:22:57 scox_	kang: oh, ok where do you want me to forward it ?
Dec 09 08:23:39 kang	scox_: [e-mail]
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Dec 09 08:24:18 kang	thx ^^
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Dec 09 08:32:38 az	spyderous: that patch for libXfont fails
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Dec 09 08:33:13 phreak``	az: look at that bug :) seemant already added a new patch
Dec 09 08:33:26 az	err, no need really
Dec 09 08:33:40 seemant	phreak``: not really a new patch, just deleted the first chunk of the existing patch
Dec 09 08:33:49 seemant	which did nothing to the actual files, anyway
Dec 09 08:34:07 az	just move the elibtoolize to x-modular_src_configure
Dec 09 08:34:14 lisa	aiiieeee stupid phone! SYNC DAMN YOU!
Dec 09 08:34:17 phreak``	yah, or that :P (well it changed the $Id but that really doesn't matter)
Dec 09 08:34:32 phreak``	poooor lisa :)
Dec 09 08:34:47 az	or maybe i didnt really check the issue ;p
Dec 09 08:35:28 az	seemant: could we rather move that elibtoolize to x-modular_src_configure()
Dec 09 08:35:45 az	seemant: just after the x-modular_font_configure call, and just before the actual ./cofnigure call
Dec 09 08:35:58 seemant	az: sure, whatever, I'm not tied to any specific fix -- I only posted what worked for me :)
Dec 09 08:36:17 az	./configure*
Dec 09 08:36:28 Flameeyes	kevquinn, uh... what's that %ifdef thingy? o_O
Dec 09 08:36:32 az	seemant: true, but you more active in x currently ;p
Dec 09 08:36:41 seemant	az: haha, only in x11-terms/xterm
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Dec 09 08:36:46 az	oh, ok ;p
Dec 09 08:36:53 lisa	it's a wince phone. and synce isn't working >.<
Dec 09 08:37:16 Flameeyes	lisa, tried casting Unlock on it?
Dec 09 08:37:24 lisa	Flameeyes: eh?
Dec 09 08:37:37 Flameeyes	lisa, jeee you don't take uo puns? o_O
Dec 09 08:37:53 lisa	oh
Dec 09 08:38:05 lisa	i didnt get it
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Dec 09 08:38:35 lisa	and i swear to god if this prick doesn't stop harrassing me on icq i am going to fly to germany, hunt his ass down and teach him a whole new world of pain
Dec 09 08:38:51 lisa	grr
Dec 09 08:39:04 *	Flameeyes looks at the german cospiracy fleeing
Dec 09 08:39:16 phreak``	Flameeyes: nah, you won't get me fleeing :P
Dec 09 08:39:53 bonsaikitten	Flameeyes, uhm ... is there any special trick to making CVSUP work on FreeBSD?
Dec 09 08:40:03 *	bonsaikitten wonders why they don't document their stuff
Dec 09 08:40:05 Flameeyes	bonsaikitten, it's the modula3 thingie?
Dec 09 08:40:20 bonsaikitten	Flameeyes, the default update mechanism, yes, evil modula3
Dec 09 08:40:21 Flameeyes	they document, fbsd's handbook is second only to gentoo's...
Dec 09 08:40:33 Flameeyes	bonsaikitten, in the handbook there's something about it for sure
Dec 09 08:40:40 Flameeyes	i remember i read it, and then forgot it because of modula3
Dec 09 08:40:53 bonsaikitten	okies
Dec 09 08:40:59 bonsaikitten	I'll see if I can manage :-)
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Dec 09 08:41:27 lu_zero	Flameeyes the portage workarlike for fbs written in ruby can also sync isn't it?
Dec 09 08:41:34 seemant	oh hey, az, I have a question for you
Dec 09 08:41:36 beejay|off	you guys know an application to use the "light-scribe" feature of some DVD-burners?
Dec 09 08:41:37 lu_zero	workalike
Dec 09 08:41:48 lu_zero	beejay|off cdrecord IIRC
Dec 09 08:41:51 Flameeyes	lu_zero, portage workalike in ruby? never knew of that :P
Dec 09 08:42:08 lu_zero	Flameeyes a ports manager
Dec 09 08:42:16 lu_zero	that looks like emerge
Dec 09 08:42:17 geoman	Flameeyes: yeah, it is pretty nice actually
Dec 09 08:42:19 Flameeyes	lu_zero, i stay away from ports a part the viewcvs part
Dec 09 08:42:28 lu_zero	ah
Dec 09 08:42:29 lu_zero	^^
Dec 09 08:42:33 Flameeyes	and just to take out patches and make them acceptable for upstream
Dec 09 08:42:57 Flameeyes	that's why ports maintainers don't like me :P
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Dec 09 08:44:09 spyderous	Josh_B: you forgot about cvs tags again in the libXfont patch.
Dec 09 08:44:13 spyderous	Josh_B: 14:32 <@az> spyderous: that patch for libXfont fails
Dec 09 08:44:56 Flameeyes	kevquinn, i'll prepare a new patchset for flac, and send the patches upstream, just let me take a look to ppc so that i can fix that, too :)
Dec 09 08:46:35 lisa	anyone familiar with synce ?
Dec 09 08:46:44 Ticho	i am, a bit
Dec 09 08:46:47 az	spyderous: you saw what i asked seemant about moving the elibtoolize call ?
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Dec 09 08:46:56 spyderous	az: no
Dec 09 08:47:05 spyderous	Josh_B: i'm fixing it
Dec 09 08:47:07 Ticho	az: my X stopped crashing on unicode chars when i disabled freetype in xorg.conf, fyi
Dec 09 08:47:10 az	(16:40) <@az> seemant: could we rather move that elibtoolize to x-modular_src_configure()
Dec 09 08:47:13 az	(16:40) <@az> seemant: just after the x-modular_font_configure call, and just before the actual ./cofnigure call
Dec 09 08:47:18 Flameeyes	kevquinn, hm flac does not turn on problems with FEATURES=stricter on ppc..
Dec 09 08:47:21 spyderous	az: reason?
Dec 09 08:47:56 az	spyderous: well, take libXfont for example .. it unpacks the file, elibtoolize, apply patches, then autoreconf voiding the elibtoolize stuff
Dec 09 08:48:22 Ticho	lisa: what do you need with synce ?
Dec 09 08:48:41 *	Flameeyes notes he has a bug open for autoreconf after elibtoolize
Dec 09 08:48:47 spyderous	az: ah, i hadn't realized where the libtoolize was done, because i didn't add it.
Dec 09 08:48:51 spyderous	that is stupid
Dec 09 08:49:17 spyderous	az: how about if i just do it in src_unpack after reconf_source
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Dec 09 08:49:32 az	spyderous: that will work as well
Dec 09 08:49:44 Flameeyes	kevquinn, are you here, or i'm just talking to a zombie-connection? ^^;;
Dec 09 08:49:47 az	spyderous: also, you saw the eautoreconf stuff we added ?
Dec 09 08:49:47 lisa	Ticho: help troubleshooting
Dec 09 08:49:51 spyderous	i personally consider it more of an unpacking thing than configuring, but that's up in the air
Dec 09 08:49:53 az	might make things a bit more cleaner
Dec 09 08:50:03 spyderous	k, fixed libXfont
Dec 09 08:50:19 Ticho	lisa: i only have some experience in connecting my Acer n10 PDA via an USB cable, if it helps
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Dec 09 08:50:31 lisa	Ticho: i can't seem to be able to figure out an error message: Unable to initialize RAPI: An unspecified failure has occurred
Dec 09 08:50:47 Betelgeuse	Flameeyes: Well I only a quite minimal subset of KDE. I will probably run all of with stricter later to find you more stuff to do. ;D
Dec 09 08:50:49 lisa	Ticho: i'm trying to get a SPV E200 smartphone working
Dec 09 08:50:51 Ticho	hm, i think i saw that error when i was trying to get it to run
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Dec 09 08:51:08 Flameeyes	Betelgeuse, feel free :)
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Dec 09 08:53:14 Ticho	lisa: i think i got that error when synce-serial-config was not set ritht
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Dec 09 08:53:17 Ticho	lisa: right
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Dec 09 08:55:21 lisa	Ticho: i've set it to ttyUSB0
Dec 09 08:56:43 Ticho	lisa: try the entire /dev/... path
Dec 09 08:57:16 Ticho	lisa: mine is /dev/tts/USB0
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Dec 09 08:58:46 Flameeyes	az, talking about eautoreconf, now that it does work with subdirs, i've added an einfo telling where it would run the eautoreconf call, so i can see where it breaks, i had a failure report due to the unbroke-subdir support and thought it would have been simpler knowing the place of failure in the future when we'll forget the first revision had problems :)
Dec 09 08:59:09 Ticho	lisa: what synce-serial-config does is write /etc/ppp/peers/synce-device
Dec 09 09:00:01 lisa	Ticho: yeah, i've explored that
Dec 09 09:00:31 Ticho	lisa: it most likely needs a complete path to the device, instead of some symbolic ttyUSB0
Dec 09 09:00:34 az	Flameeyes: yeah, and i made it print the running flags as well
Dec 09 09:01:00 Flameeyes	good, i haven't updated the whole tree today yet ;)
Dec 09 09:01:29 Ticho	lisa: have you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Synchronize_PocketPC_and_Evolution ? i made it work with help of that howto
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Dec 09 09:03:21 lisa	Ticho: lemme read a gentoo-specific one
Dec 09 09:04:30 Ticho	brb, coffee
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Dec 09 09:15:23 lisa	Ticho: still causing problems. synce-serial-config won't let me config without the phone plugged into the thing, nor will it let me synce-serial-start without the phone being plugged in. removing the phone stops that daemon
Dec 09 09:15:53 Ticho	lisa: stops what daemon? dccm ?
Dec 09 09:16:34 lisa	Ticho: no, /usr/sbin/pppd call synce-device, /usr/bin/synce-serial-chat
Dec 09 09:17:09 Ticho	lisa: well, yes, you have to be plugged in for that to work
Dec 09 09:17:20 Ticho	lisa: does it work when plugged in ?
Dec 09 09:17:36 lisa	everything starts when its plugged in, but pstatus fails still
Dec 09 09:18:09 Ticho	what does syslog say ?
Dec 09 09:18:22 Ticho	there should be a ppp connection starting
Dec 09 09:18:54 Ticho	also, try running dccm in foreground (and in debug mode, i think) to see what's going on
Dec 09 09:19:14 lisa	www.thedoh.com/~lisa/tmp/syslog.txt  <-- relevant stuff
Dec 09 09:20:28 SuperLag	Flameeyes: ping
Dec 09 09:20:37 lisa	from what i can gather pppd hangs on synce-serial-chat
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Dec 09 09:20:55 Flameeyes	SuperLag, half pong
Dec 09 09:21:00 Ticho	lisa: http://pastebin.com/455509
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Dec 09 09:22:54 lisa	dang
Dec 09 09:23:16 Ticho	i recall having your problem too, with synce-serial-chat hanging
Dec 09 09:23:29 Ticho	now if i could only remember...
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Dec 09 09:25:02 xmerlin	good afternoon everybody
Dec 09 09:25:18 lisa	hihi
Dec 09 09:25:23 lisa	i wish i could force pppd to be more verbose
Dec 09 09:25:25 Ticho	lisa: did you try `synce-serial-config /dev/tts/USB0` ?
Dec 09 09:25:51 Ticho	lisa: i get the "attached to ttyUSB0" message as well, but that doesn't work with synce-serial-config
Dec 09 09:26:39 Ticho	lisa: the device node has to exist, of course
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Dec 09 09:27:10 lisa	i dont have /dev/tts/USB0, i have /dev/ttyUSB0 -> /dev/usb/tty/0
Dec 09 09:27:49 Ticho	i see
Dec 09 09:28:06 Ticho	so you're passing /dev/ttyUSB0 to synce-serial-config ?
Dec 09 09:28:54 Flameeyes	vapier, pingy
Dec 09 09:29:07 lisa	Ticho: yes
Dec 09 09:29:33 SuperLag	What's a 'half pong'?
Dec 09 09:29:56 Ticho	hm, i don't know then
Dec 09 09:30:31 Ticho	try running pppd with options from /etc/ppp/peers/synce-device and see what option causes the freeze
Dec 09 09:30:47 Flameeyes	SuperLag, half pong is when i can write only with one hand because the other hurts and makes me scream :P
Dec 09 09:31:31 SuperLag	RSI?
Dec 09 09:31:37 SuperLag	or carpal tunnel?
Dec 09 09:31:59 SuperLag	or did you hit your thumb with a hammer? :)
Dec 09 09:32:29 Flameeyes	SuperLag, probably neither :P i hurted myself while doing a bit of bricolage last week, ignored it and the arm hurts :P
Dec 09 09:33:16 SuperLag	ouch
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Dec 09 09:33:57 lisa	Ticho: i try with all options except the connect flag and it says Dec  9 15:32:24 [pppd] Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyUSB0
Dec 09 09:34:07 lisa	Ticho: but with the connect flag (synce-serial-chat) it hangs
Dec 09 09:34:18 Ticho	hm, yes, that's what i was getting as well
Dec 09 09:34:42 Ticho	i know i was playing with firewall at that stage as well
Dec 09 09:35:08 Ticho	try just allowing everything for the time, although i think the cause was something else after all
Dec 09 09:35:45 lisa	i do not have iptables running/installed here
Dec 09 09:35:55 lisa	no kernel modules for them either
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Dec 09 09:36:00 Ticho	i see
Dec 09 09:36:49 lisa	even still i don't get that IP stuff as in your example
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Dec 09 09:38:33 lisa	ahh, it times out
Dec 09 09:40:11 Ticho	damn, did gentoo-wiki.com go down all of a sudden?
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Dec 09 09:50:07 Flameeyes	lu_zero, pingy
Dec 09 09:51:48 UberLord	!meta daemontools
Dec 09 09:51:52 jeeves	UberLord: Package: sys-process/daemontools  Herd: base-system Maintainer: base-system
Dec 09 09:52:42 UberLord	bleh
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Dec 09 10:01:11 Ticho	hm, why would vim freeze when trying to open a small text file in a putty/screen session ?
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Dec 09 10:01:42 UberLord	reiser4
Dec 09 10:01:58 UberLord	seriously, if the file is on a reiser4 parition then vim does that
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Dec 09 10:02:35 UberLord	evolution hates reiser4 also
Dec 09 10:02:44 Ticho	everybody hates reiser4
Dec 09 10:02:46 lisa	interesting...
Dec 09 10:02:46 UberLord	as do I
Dec 09 10:03:07 lisa	when i started synce-serial-start my phone-s screen's backlight turned on and off
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Dec 09 10:03:30 UberLord	lisa: gremlins!
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Dec 09 10:05:34 lisa	yup
Dec 09 10:05:45 spyderous	!seen foser
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Dec 09 10:08:16 phreak``	UberLord: naaah, probably Chucky :P
Dec 09 10:08:24 Ticho	UberLord: i'm on reiser3 though (re: the vim freeze)
Dec 09 10:08:51 Hydraa	I have problems with Boinc compilation...
Dec 09 10:09:04 UberLord	!meta boinc
Dec 09 10:09:08 jeeves	UberLord: Package: sci-misc/boinc  Herd: sci Maintainer: [e-mail] Description:
Dec 09 10:10:26 UberLord	cryos: ping ^^^^^^^ Hyrdaa wants ya baby
Dec 09 10:10:48 Hydraa	cryos, hello?
Dec 09 10:11:15 Hydraa	Do anyone know where i find freeze.py module in Gentoo?
Dec 09 10:12:06 seemant	!seen trapni
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Dec 09 10:12:08 glbt	seemant, trapni is right here!
Dec 09 10:12:12 seemant	trapni: you here?
Dec 09 10:12:41 seemant	trapni: when you see this -- is ksynaptics missing a dep on x11-misc/synaptics?  (I'm changing to x11-drivers/synaptics in a few minutes, but noticed you have no dep there at all)
Dec 09 10:14:07 spyderous	az: fixed the eclass
Dec 09 10:14:13 lisa	Ticho: i might just hack the -chat source for a lil debugging.
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Dec 09 10:14:42 phreak``	seemant: at least the about page says it (http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/about.html)
Dec 09 10:15:15 az	spyderous: ta
Dec 09 10:15:20 seemant	phreak``: yeah
Dec 09 10:15:25 phreak``	but probably an RDEPEND since isn't needed to compile
Dec 09 10:15:36 spyderous	az: thanks for the report, that could be causing some tricky problems
Dec 09 10:16:28 phreak``	!herd kde
Dec 09 10:16:29 jeeves	phreak``: (kde) caleb, carlo, centic, cryos, flameeyes, greg_g, motaboy
Dec 09 10:17:00 spyderous	that eclass is getting seriously long
Dec 09 10:17:06 spyderous	maybe i can split font stuff into its own eclass
Dec 09 10:17:22 phreak``	^^ any reason net-misc/ksynaptics is under herd kde and filed against maintainer-wanted ?!
Dec 09 10:17:46 axxo	check the history
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Dec 09 10:17:48 spyderous	probably because it's a kde type of package and nobody felt like maintaining it
Dec 09 10:17:50 Flameeyes	phreak``, maybe nobody in kde herd has ways to test it?
Dec 09 10:18:31 jakub	just misassigned by reporter
Dec 09 10:18:36 phreak``	Flameeyes: ah okay :)
Dec 09 10:19:15 Flameeyes	phreak``, just supposition, i don't really know because i can't test it anyway :P
Dec 09 10:19:22 phreak``	heh :P
Dec 09 10:19:32 jakub	-> m-needed then?
Dec 09 10:19:47 phreak``	yah, just a second jakub :P
Dec 09 10:20:09 *	jakub assigns a couple of random bugs to phreak`` meanwhile :P
Dec 09 10:20:25 *	UberLord offloads a few "challenging" bugs to phreak`` 
Dec 09 10:20:34 phreak``	jakub: do as you wish :P
Dec 09 10:20:46 phreak``	UberLord: and you better go hack baselayout :)
Dec 09 10:20:57 UberLord	I already hacked it some today
Dec 09 10:21:29 phreak``	saw that :P just a second after i commited my changes to the vserver-baselayout :P so i had to sync again :)
Dec 09 10:21:45 UberLord	lol
Dec 09 10:22:04 steev	hmm
Dec 09 10:22:06 UberLord	just give us some working patches - pointless maintaining your own fork :P
Dec 09 10:22:11 spyderous	that's why syncing sucks
Dec 09 10:22:14 kevquinn	Flameeyes: I guess I'm a zombie :)
Dec 09 10:22:23 UberLord	spyderous++
Dec 09 10:22:25 jakub	lol... talking about baselayout, udev-077 needs to rdepend on 1.11.14 at least
Dec 09 10:22:39 UberLord	no
Dec 09 10:22:50 kevquinn	seemant: I think you can simply drop the '-fno-pic' from CLIENTCFLAGS in your synaptics makefile patch.
Dec 09 10:22:51 UberLord	nothing can depend on baselayout as it's a virtual :P
Dec 09 10:22:59 UberLord	(ie a specific version)
Dec 09 10:23:01 jakub	hmm? udev already does
Dec 09 10:23:05 Flameeyes	kevquinn, eh ok :) can you take a look to the patchset to see if it's safe? the flac-patches-3.tar.bz2 is on toucan /space/distfiles-local until it gets on the mirrors
Dec 09 10:23:05 spyderous	it can block on a lower version
Dec 09 10:23:20 UberLord	spyderous: true i suppose
Dec 09 10:23:28 spyderous	i've had to do that kinda stuff for xorg
Dec 09 10:23:33 seemant	kevquinn: for hardened you mean?
Dec 09 10:23:43 tigger^	kevquinn: hi btw
Dec 09 10:23:46 seemant	kevquinn: I didn't wanna mess with removing it entirely, because the guy had it in his Makefile
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Dec 09 10:23:52 phreak``	UberLord: i know it sucks :P but i can't figure out how to implement some of the stuff openvz/vserver needs (which i told you last time in teh /msg)
Dec 09 10:24:18 phreak``	spyderous: got a sec ?! (need to figure out how to fix this damn blocker)
Dec 09 10:24:23 spyderous	phreak``: yeah
Dec 09 10:24:31 kevquinn	seemant: Well, I was thinking unconditional - you added it to CLIENTCFLAGS with your patch.
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Dec 09 10:25:39 seemant	kevquinn: no I moved it from global-apply-to-everything-cflags to just the cflags for them two binaries
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Dec 09 10:26:10 kevquinn	seemant: oic what you mean - the checkgcc thing.
Dec 09 10:26:17 seemant	kevquinn: yep
Dec 09 10:26:46 kevquinn	I can't see any good reason why it should force -fno-pic.
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Dec 09 10:31:52 lisa	Ticho: yeh, it's hanging waiting for my phone to talk to it