#gentoo-dev IRC log about the issue

irc-log.txt (text/plain), 13.96 KB, created by Gustavo Zacarias (RETIRED) on 2007-04-27 15:43:42 UTC

Apr 27 10:53:06 <gustavoz>	nyhm: ping, you stablebumped app-emulation/vice
Apr 27 10:53:16 <Chainsaw>	JoseJX2: *Yes*. I want that :)
Apr 27 10:53:48 <JoseJX2>	Patches went into the kernel for it for 2.6.21, samples exist, someone just needs to make it happen :)
Apr 27 10:55:00 <JoseJX2>	Dev kits are $8500 though :p
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Apr 27 10:57:45 <Joker>	you think theres a market for ppc64 laptops now?
Apr 27 10:57:56 <Joker>	apple droped the ball
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Apr 27 11:01:18 <JoseJX2>	Joker: If it was designed with linux in mind, I don't see why it wouldn't see
Apr 27 11:01:19 <JoseJX2>	er
Apr 27 11:01:20 <JoseJX2>	sell
Apr 27 11:01:38 <JoseJX2>	It's a niche product, sure, but I'd pay a premium for it
Apr 27 11:01:42 <Joker>	because the linux nerds are not a large enough customer base
Apr 27 11:02:00 <Joker>	except when you are willing to pay $8500 for a handcrafted laptop or so
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Apr 27 11:03:42 <Cardoe>	I'm not gonna shell out $8500 for a laptop
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Apr 27 11:19:04 <Cardoe>	Anyone use wvdial or anything to establish ppp connections?
Apr 27 11:19:09 <Cardoe>	I need to establish a ppp connection
Apr 27 11:19:13 <Cardoe>	but it not rape my default route.
Apr 27 11:19:18 <Cardoe>	I just need to route 1 subnet mask over it
Apr 27 11:19:29 <Cardoe>	it seems like everytime wvdial starts pppd
Apr 27 11:19:31 <Cardoe>	it owns me
Apr 27 11:22:01 <zzam>	perhaps you need to cut out defaultroute about one ppp caller file
Apr 27 11:26:29 <Fieldy>	yep zzam is right
Apr 27 11:26:49 <nyhm>	gustavoz: yep?
Apr 27 11:27:08 <gustavoz>	nyhm: you stuck a new directly stable vice in cvs, that's bad
Apr 27 11:27:17 <gustavoz>	and removed the old (stable) ones too
Apr 27 11:27:41 <nyhm>	I know
Apr 27 11:27:49 <gustavoz>	that's against policy, know that?
Apr 27 11:28:16 <nyhm>	yep
Apr 27 11:28:18 <gustavoz>	and i suppose you have a sparc & ppc box to test too?
Apr 27 11:29:49 <gustavoz>	nyhm: so?
Apr 27 11:29:49 <nyhm>	no
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Apr 27 11:32:36 <gustavoz>	nyhm: no what?
Apr 27 11:32:55 <nyhm>	i did that because the old versions are broken with the new stable libx11
Apr 27 11:33:09 <gustavoz>	nyhm: you should file a bug for that, but never do what you did
Apr 27 11:33:33 <gustavoz>	nyhm: how the hell do you know it doesn't break on ppc or sparc?
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Apr 27 11:34:39 <nyhm>	I don't, but it has a better chance of working than the old versions
Apr 27 11:34:53 <gustavoz>	well not if it doesn't work, does it?
Apr 27 11:35:18 <gustavoz>	and anyway, not even security does direct stabling, why would gaming do that?
Apr 27 11:35:24 <zzam>	nyhm: how do you know what version of libx11 is stable on other archs
Apr 27 11:37:00 <nyhm>	file a bug if it doesn't work and i'll look at it
Apr 27 11:37:11 *	gustavoz sigh
Apr 27 11:37:34 <gustavoz>	you don't get the point, you just can't assume thing on behalf of arch teams
Apr 27 11:37:37 <gustavoz>	*things
Apr 27 11:38:04 <Chainsaw>	nyhm: Have the PPC & Sparc arch teams made you particularly angry about something?
Apr 27 11:38:13 <nyhm>	no
Apr 27 11:38:28 <Chainsaw>	nyhm: So you're not explicitly out to waste peoples time?
Apr 27 11:38:35 <nyhm>	nope
Apr 27 11:38:38 <Chainsaw>	nyhm: In that case, undo your cowboy style bump.
Apr 27 11:38:55 <Chainsaw>	nyhm: Use the cvsviewer to restore the current stable ebuild, set proper keywords and file a stable bug.
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Apr 27 11:42:56 <nyhm>	so you want me to force a downgrade now?
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Apr 27 11:43:22 <gustavoz>	nyhm: basically restore 1.20 and ~arch 1.21, so yeah, a downgrade
Apr 27 11:43:37 <gustavoz>	nyhm: then ask nicely in a bug for arch testing, reasons usually help
Apr 27 11:44:04 <nyhm>	why don't I just do that next time?
Apr 27 11:44:18 <gustavoz>	because i'm pissed
Apr 27 11:44:23 <nyhm>	at me
Apr 27 11:44:26 <nyhm>	not the users
Apr 27 11:44:55 <gustavoz>	well, not only you, your mentor probably too for not explaining some of this stuff either
Apr 27 11:45:06 <gustavoz>	btw who was your mentor?
Apr 27 11:45:10 <nyhm>	Mr_Bones_
Apr 27 11:45:20 <gustavoz>	oh the irony
Apr 27 11:45:32 <nyhm>	not really
Apr 27 11:45:43 <gustavoz>	Mr_Bones_: around?
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Apr 27 11:50:01 *	fmccor wonders if he is the only one for whom '/etc/init.d/mysql stop' appears to hang forever when trying to stop mysqld (mysql-5.0.38)
Apr 27 11:50:15 <pappy->	fmccor: there is bugs about it
Apr 27 11:50:26 *	fmccor will look at bugs later;
Apr 27 11:50:42 <fmccor>	Oh,  pappy-, thanks --- you beat me to it. :)
Apr 27 11:50:46 <pappy->	i heard so
Apr 27 11:50:46 <agaffney>	fmccor: I've avoided the huge .26 -> .38 jump for now
Apr 27 11:51:02 <fmccor>	agaffney, coward!
Apr 27 11:51:12 <agaffney>	a smart coward!
Apr 27 11:51:34 <agaffney>	I'm not about to jump 12 minor versions on my production servers :P
Apr 27 11:52:21 <steev64>	lies
Apr 27 11:52:45 <steev64>	better to jump 12 minor versions of mysql than 1 of the kernel
Apr 27 11:55:30 <ferringb>	agaffney: err... do have testing hardware, right? :)
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Apr 27 11:56:37 <jakub>	testing is for chickens only :P
Apr 27 11:56:42 <agaffney>	ferringb: yes, but I've been too lazy
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Apr 27 11:59:19 <pappy->	i want chocolate
Apr 27 11:59:34 <agaffney>	mmm...chocolate
Apr 27 11:59:46 *	lack faxes pappy some sweet dark chocolate.
Apr 27 12:00:05 <lack>	You know, chocolate cravings is why God invented vending machines.
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Apr 27 12:03:10 <tigger^>	morning
Apr 27 12:03:58 <Chainsaw>	morning rob
Apr 27 12:05:11 <mr_science>	moin
Apr 27 12:07:28 <Mr_Bones_>	gustavoz: pong
Apr 27 12:07:37 <pappy->	:)
Apr 27 12:07:38 <gustavoz>	Mr_Bones_: wrt to vice, look back
Apr 27 12:07:59 <Mr_Bones_>	gustavoz: it's fine.
Apr 27 12:08:06 <gustavoz>	Mr_Bones_: no it's not
Apr 27 12:08:33 <gustavoz>	since when does he do sparc keywords? (or you for that matter)
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Apr 27 12:17:10 <gustavoz>	Mr_Bones_: ?
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Apr 27 12:18:20 *	jakub passes a nicely chilled bottle of beer to gustavoz... Friday! :)
Apr 27 12:18:37 <gustavoz>	jakub: in a few, it's still early here :)
Apr 27 12:19:26 <jakub>	just past 5 here; ideal time :)
Apr 27 12:19:37 <nightmorph>	nichoj_work: ping
Apr 27 12:19:40 <drac>	jakub: am?
Apr 27 12:19:49 <nichoj_work>	nightmorph: pong
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Apr 27 12:20:18 <jakub>	drac: lol
Apr 27 12:20:42 <nightmorph>	nichoj_work: i need info from you -- what are the eselect commands and output going to be for java after removing the 64-bit stuff
Apr 27 12:21:00 <nightmorph>	nichoj_work: will it still say "available 32-bit plugins:" and "available 64-bit plugins:" ?
Apr 27 12:21:06 <nichoj_work>	nightmorph: uhh, hadn't really thought that far
Apr 27 12:21:10 <nightmorph>	....damn
Apr 27 12:21:28 <nightmorph>	that's the only reason why i hadn't fixed the doc yet (saw that Betelgeuse asked about the docs on that bug)
Apr 27 12:22:07 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: Yeah I am thinking about removing the mess beandog caused.
Apr 27 12:22:20 <nightmorph>	put it this way -- if i try to do eselect java-nsplugin set emul-x86, will it automatically recognize that it's supposed to be the 32-bit plugin
Apr 27 12:22:52 <nightmorph>	if so, then great, i can just start removing directions where appropriate. if not, i need to leave in that stuff
Apr 27 12:23:12 <nightmorph>	and what about konqueror? i read that it can use a 64-bit VM directly -- are instructions for that different?
Apr 27 12:23:39 <beandog>	Betelgeuse: feel free
Apr 27 12:24:09 <nightmorph>	Betelgeuse: i wouldn't call it "a mess he made"
Apr 27 12:24:13 <nightmorph>	that's a bit harsh
Apr 27 12:24:26 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: Maybe
Apr 27 12:24:33 <nightmorph>	someone had to take action on this, since nothing was happening
Apr 27 12:24:58 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: Well I am around in IRC so I was pissed that I wasn't asked.
Apr 27 12:25:10 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: beandog asked me and I said I was going to package.use.mask it for stable
Apr 27 12:25:17 <Betelgeuse>	Then we goes and package.use.masks it for everyone
Apr 27 12:25:30 <nightmorph>	Betelgeuse: didn't he ping you multiple times?
Apr 27 12:25:36 <nightmorph>	communication breakdowns i'd say
Apr 27 12:25:43 <beandog>	Look, if I screwed up, just fix it ... no big deal
Apr 27 12:25:44 <beandog>	Im sorry.
Apr 27 12:25:49 *	beandog vows to never touch Java on amd64 again.
Apr 27 12:25:56 <Betelgeuse>	beandog: :)
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Apr 27 12:26:11 <nightmorph>	i only have java installed on amd64 so that i can play TextTwist on games.yahoo.com ^_^
Apr 27 12:27:10 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: Any way nichoj should know better on the exact commands
Apr 27 12:27:12 <gustavoz>	oh shit! vice-1.21 doesn't even build on sparc! i wonder who tested it
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Apr 27 12:27:16 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: But if you have amd64, you can test yourself.
Apr 27 12:27:39 <nightmorph>	yeah yeah yeah -- i like others doing the testing and me just writing ^_^
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Apr 27 12:27:50 <jakub>	:)
Apr 27 12:29:13 <Chainsaw>	gustavoz: Is it screwy endian testing or unaligned access?
Apr 27 12:29:36 <gustavoz>	Chainsaw: http://dev.gentoo.org/~gustavoz/vice-1.21-sparc-build.log AKA Makefile stupidness
Apr 27 12:29:49 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: But why do you need any different eselect commands than we already ahve?
Apr 27 12:30:02 <nightmorph>	Betelgeuse: well, for non-multilib systems the command is different
Apr 27 12:30:11 <gustavoz>	ok now, so shall i approach QA or devrel with this? since both responsible persons are completely ignorant
Apr 27 12:30:35 <gustavoz>	and since talking with them doesn't help
Apr 27 12:30:41 <nightmorph>	and since this will effectively be making amd64 a single possibility, just like the non-multilib (32-bit) systems, i figure that might mean changes are needed
Apr 27 12:30:45 <rane>	let's send ninjas
Apr 27 12:30:49 <gustavoz>	(which is the approach i've always used, but hey, there's always a first!)
Apr 27 12:30:52 <nightmorph>	Betelgeuse: and i also need to find out how konqueror works
Apr 27 12:30:59 <nightmorph>	and i sure as hell ain't installing that to test
Apr 27 12:31:12 <Chainsaw>	gustavoz: I'll back you up on it if required.
Apr 27 12:31:23 <kloeri>	gustavoz: devrel will probably just refer to qa as we don't handle technical complaints as such
Apr 27 12:31:26 <rbrown`>	gustavoz: I'd go with qa first
Apr 27 12:31:39 <gustavoz>	qa it is then, thanks
Apr 27 12:31:48 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: It uses the java vm directly
Apr 27 12:31:56 <nightmorph>	no need for additional config?
Apr 27 12:32:13 <Betelgeuse>	nightmorph: don't think so
Apr 27 12:32:22 <nightmorph>	k
Apr 27 12:32:43 <nightmorph>	well then, i can do a bit of testing tonight and update the docs after work
Apr 27 12:32:47 <Betelgeuse>	I will write a blost post about this
Apr 27 12:32:49 <nightmorph>	for now, i'm off...
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