Apr 27 10:53:06 nyhm: ping, you stablebumped app-emulation/vice Apr 27 10:53:16 JoseJX2: *Yes*. I want that :) Apr 27 10:53:48 Patches went into the kernel for it for 2.6.21, samples exist, someone just needs to make it happen :) Apr 27 10:55:00 Dev kits are $8500 though :p Apr 27 10:56:46 * idani (n=idani@221x248x229x158.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 10:56:53 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to idani Apr 27 10:57:45 you think theres a market for ppc64 laptops now? Apr 27 10:57:56 apple droped the ball Apr 27 10:58:04 * georges has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 27 11:01:18 Joker: If it was designed with linux in mind, I don't see why it wouldn't see Apr 27 11:01:19 er Apr 27 11:01:20 sell Apr 27 11:01:38 It's a niche product, sure, but I'd pay a premium for it Apr 27 11:01:42 because the linux nerds are not a large enough customer base Apr 27 11:02:00 except when you are willing to pay $8500 for a handcrafted laptop or so Apr 27 11:03:06 * mkhl (i=mkhl@200-148-41-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:03:42 I'm not gonna shell out $8500 for a laptop Apr 27 11:04:26 * chutzpah (n=chutz@gentoo/developer/chutzpah) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:04:26 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to chutzpah Apr 27 11:04:44 * Dr_Who (n=tgall@gentoo/developer/dr-who) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:04:44 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Dr_Who Apr 27 11:05:18 * mabi_ (n=mabi@pd9e6e959.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:08:30 * stkn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 27 11:09:30 * stkn (n=stkn@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.stkn) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:09:30 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to stkn Apr 27 11:09:58 * stkn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 27 11:10:51 * beandog has quit ("Leaving") Apr 27 11:10:57 * stkn (n=stkn@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.stkn) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:10:57 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to stkn Apr 27 11:11:32 * stkn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 27 11:12:14 * stkn (n=stkn@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.stkn) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:12:14 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to stkn Apr 27 11:12:28 * stkn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 27 11:15:13 * stkn (n=stkn@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.stkn) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:15:13 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to stkn Apr 27 11:18:22 * mabi has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 27 11:19:04 Anyone use wvdial or anything to establish ppp connections? Apr 27 11:19:09 I need to establish a ppp connection Apr 27 11:19:13 but it not rape my default route. Apr 27 11:19:18 I just need to route 1 subnet mask over it Apr 27 11:19:29 it seems like everytime wvdial starts pppd Apr 27 11:19:31 it owns me Apr 27 11:22:01 perhaps you need to cut out defaultroute about one ppp caller file Apr 27 11:26:29 yep zzam is right Apr 27 11:26:49 gustavoz: yep? Apr 27 11:27:08 nyhm: you stuck a new directly stable vice in cvs, that's bad Apr 27 11:27:17 and removed the old (stable) ones too Apr 27 11:27:41 I know Apr 27 11:27:49 that's against policy, know that? Apr 27 11:28:16 yep Apr 27 11:28:18 and i suppose you have a sparc & ppc box to test too? Apr 27 11:29:49 nyhm: so? Apr 27 11:29:49 no Apr 27 11:31:24 * Jokey has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Apr 27 11:32:21 * Fieldy has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 27 11:32:36 nyhm: no what? Apr 27 11:32:55 i did that because the old versions are broken with the new stable libx11 Apr 27 11:33:09 nyhm: you should file a bug for that, but never do what you did Apr 27 11:33:33 nyhm: how the hell do you know it doesn't break on ppc or sparc? Apr 27 11:34:15 * yvasilev (n=yvasilev@Dune.math.cinvestav.mx) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:34:26 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to yvasilev Apr 27 11:34:39 I don't, but it has a better chance of working than the old versions Apr 27 11:34:53 well not if it doesn't work, does it? Apr 27 11:35:18 and anyway, not even security does direct stabling, why would gaming do that? Apr 27 11:35:24 nyhm: how do you know what version of libx11 is stable on other archs Apr 27 11:37:00 file a bug if it doesn't work and i'll look at it Apr 27 11:37:11 * gustavoz sigh Apr 27 11:37:34 you don't get the point, you just can't assume thing on behalf of arch teams Apr 27 11:37:37 *things Apr 27 11:38:04 nyhm: Have the PPC & Sparc arch teams made you particularly angry about something? Apr 27 11:38:13 no Apr 27 11:38:28 nyhm: So you're not explicitly out to waste peoples time? Apr 27 11:38:35 nope Apr 27 11:38:38 nyhm: In that case, undo your cowboy style bump. Apr 27 11:38:55 nyhm: Use the cvsviewer to restore the current stable ebuild, set proper keywords and file a stable bug. Apr 27 11:39:05 * flavio (n=flavio@200-181-48-119.gnace7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:42:56 so you want me to force a downgrade now? Apr 27 11:43:03 * geoman (n=spbecker@gs4073.geos.vt.edu) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:43:03 * ChanServ gives voice to geoman Apr 27 11:43:22 nyhm: basically restore 1.20 and ~arch 1.21, so yeah, a downgrade Apr 27 11:43:37 nyhm: then ask nicely in a bug for arch testing, reasons usually help Apr 27 11:44:04 why don't I just do that next time? Apr 27 11:44:18 because i'm pissed Apr 27 11:44:23 at me Apr 27 11:44:26 not the users Apr 27 11:44:55 well, not only you, your mentor probably too for not explaining some of this stuff either Apr 27 11:45:06 btw who was your mentor? Apr 27 11:45:10 Mr_Bones_ Apr 27 11:45:20 oh the irony Apr 27 11:45:32 not really Apr 27 11:45:43 Mr_Bones_: around? Apr 27 11:49:04 * chaosite has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 27 11:49:14 * mark_alec has quit ("needs to sleep") Apr 27 11:49:30 * _Zoltan_ (n=dah@adsl-155-118-72.tys.bellsouth.net) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:49:38 * Praise2 (n=Fat@unaffiliated/praise) has left #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:50:01 * fmccor wonders if he is the only one for whom '/etc/init.d/mysql stop' appears to hang forever when trying to stop mysqld (mysql-5.0.38) Apr 27 11:50:15 fmccor: there is bugs about it Apr 27 11:50:26 * fmccor will look at bugs later; Apr 27 11:50:42 Oh, pappy-, thanks --- you beat me to it. :) Apr 27 11:50:46 i heard so Apr 27 11:50:46 fmccor: I've avoided the huge .26 -> .38 jump for now Apr 27 11:51:02 agaffney, coward! Apr 27 11:51:12 a smart coward! Apr 27 11:51:34 I'm not about to jump 12 minor versions on my production servers :P Apr 27 11:52:21 lies Apr 27 11:52:45 better to jump 12 minor versions of mysql than 1 of the kernel Apr 27 11:55:30 agaffney: err... do have testing hardware, right? :) Apr 27 11:56:00 * nichoj_work (n=jnichols@pat10.banta-im.com) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:56:37 testing is for chickens only :P Apr 27 11:56:42 ferringb: yes, but I've been too lazy Apr 27 11:57:22 * nichoj_work has quit (Client Quit) Apr 27 11:57:57 * nichoj_work (n=jnichols@pat10.banta-im.com) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 11:58:26 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to nichoj_work Apr 27 11:59:19 i want chocolate Apr 27 11:59:34 mmm...chocolate Apr 27 11:59:46 * lack faxes pappy some sweet dark chocolate. Apr 27 12:00:05 You know, chocolate cravings is why God invented vending machines. Apr 27 12:01:28 * zzam has quit ("KVIrc 3.2.5 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") Apr 27 12:03:10 morning Apr 27 12:03:58 morning rob Apr 27 12:05:11 moin Apr 27 12:07:28 gustavoz: pong Apr 27 12:07:37 :) Apr 27 12:07:38 Mr_Bones_: wrt to vice, look back Apr 27 12:07:59 gustavoz: it's fine. Apr 27 12:08:06 Mr_Bones_: no it's not Apr 27 12:08:33 since when does he do sparc keywords? (or you for that matter) Apr 27 12:11:48 * asphyxia (n=taco@0x57306025.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 12:14:08 * Fieldy (i=zaz6F9ZM@gentoo/contributor/Fieldy) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 12:14:08 * ChanServ gives voice to Fieldy Apr 27 12:17:10 Mr_Bones_: ? Apr 27 12:17:10 * shindo (n=shindo@PPPbm68.hokkaido-ip.dti.ne.jp) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 12:18:20 * jakub passes a nicely chilled bottle of beer to gustavoz... Friday! :) Apr 27 12:18:37 jakub: in a few, it's still early here :) Apr 27 12:19:26 just past 5 here; ideal time :) Apr 27 12:19:37 nichoj_work: ping Apr 27 12:19:40 jakub: am? Apr 27 12:19:49 nightmorph: pong Apr 27 12:19:49 * beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 12:19:49 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to beandog Apr 27 12:20:18 drac: lol Apr 27 12:20:42 nichoj_work: i need info from you -- what are the eselect commands and output going to be for java after removing the 64-bit stuff Apr 27 12:21:00 nichoj_work: will it still say "available 32-bit plugins:" and "available 64-bit plugins:" ? Apr 27 12:21:06 nightmorph: uhh, hadn't really thought that far Apr 27 12:21:10 ....damn Apr 27 12:21:28 that's the only reason why i hadn't fixed the doc yet (saw that Betelgeuse asked about the docs on that bug) Apr 27 12:22:07 nightmorph: Yeah I am thinking about removing the mess beandog caused. Apr 27 12:22:20 put it this way -- if i try to do eselect java-nsplugin set emul-x86, will it automatically recognize that it's supposed to be the 32-bit plugin Apr 27 12:22:52 if so, then great, i can just start removing directions where appropriate. if not, i need to leave in that stuff Apr 27 12:23:12 and what about konqueror? i read that it can use a 64-bit VM directly -- are instructions for that different? Apr 27 12:23:39 Betelgeuse: feel free Apr 27 12:24:09 Betelgeuse: i wouldn't call it "a mess he made" Apr 27 12:24:13 that's a bit harsh Apr 27 12:24:26 nightmorph: Maybe Apr 27 12:24:33 someone had to take action on this, since nothing was happening Apr 27 12:24:58 nightmorph: Well I am around in IRC so I was pissed that I wasn't asked. Apr 27 12:25:10 nightmorph: beandog asked me and I said I was going to package.use.mask it for stable Apr 27 12:25:17 Then we goes and package.use.masks it for everyone Apr 27 12:25:30 Betelgeuse: didn't he ping you multiple times? Apr 27 12:25:36 communication breakdowns i'd say Apr 27 12:25:43 Look, if I screwed up, just fix it ... no big deal Apr 27 12:25:44 Im sorry. Apr 27 12:25:49 * beandog vows to never touch Java on amd64 again. Apr 27 12:25:56 beandog: :) Apr 27 12:26:10 * nakano (n=nakano@82-69-157-242.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 12:26:11 i only have java installed on amd64 so that i can play TextTwist on games.yahoo.com ^_^ Apr 27 12:27:10 nightmorph: Any way nichoj should know better on the exact commands Apr 27 12:27:12 oh shit! vice-1.21 doesn't even build on sparc! i wonder who tested it Apr 27 12:27:14 * dmwaters_ (i=dmwaters@freenode/staff/dmwaters) has joined #gentoo-dev Apr 27 12:27:14 * ChanServ gives voice to dmwaters_ Apr 27 12:27:16 nightmorph: But if you have amd64, you can test yourself. Apr 27 12:27:39 yeah yeah yeah -- i like others doing the testing and me just writing ^_^ Apr 27 12:27:48 * dmwaters has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 27 12:27:50 :) Apr 27 12:29:13 gustavoz: Is it screwy endian testing or unaligned access? Apr 27 12:29:36 Chainsaw: http://dev.gentoo.org/~gustavoz/vice-1.21-sparc-build.log AKA Makefile stupidness Apr 27 12:29:49 nightmorph: But why do you need any different eselect commands than we already ahve? Apr 27 12:30:02 Betelgeuse: well, for non-multilib systems the command is different Apr 27 12:30:11 ok now, so shall i approach QA or devrel with this? since both responsible persons are completely ignorant Apr 27 12:30:35 and since talking with them doesn't help Apr 27 12:30:41 and since this will effectively be making amd64 a single possibility, just like the non-multilib (32-bit) systems, i figure that might mean changes are needed Apr 27 12:30:45 let's send ninjas Apr 27 12:30:49 (which is the approach i've always used, but hey, there's always a first!) Apr 27 12:30:52 Betelgeuse: and i also need to find out how konqueror works Apr 27 12:30:59 and i sure as hell ain't installing that to test Apr 27 12:31:12 gustavoz: I'll back you up on it if required. Apr 27 12:31:23 gustavoz: devrel will probably just refer to qa as we don't handle technical complaints as such Apr 27 12:31:26 gustavoz: I'd go with qa first Apr 27 12:31:39 qa it is then, thanks Apr 27 12:31:48 nightmorph: It uses the java vm directly Apr 27 12:31:56 no need for additional config? Apr 27 12:32:13 nightmorph: don't think so Apr 27 12:32:22 k Apr 27 12:32:43 well then, i can do a bit of testing tonight and update the docs after work Apr 27 12:32:47 I will write a blost post about this Apr 27 12:32:49 for now, i'm off... Apr 27 12:33:15 * rangerhomezzz is now known as rangerpb