(please disregard the choice of category, I haven't found anything that really fitted, and this one is the closest unencumbered by random implications) I believe that the net-mail project is not functioning as a project. It rather resembles an old-style herd, that is a loose grouping of packages that are not really suitable for group maintenance as implied by the project. I'd like to point out that: 1. Net-mail project does not have an elected lead, or any kind of formal decision-making structure. 2. The wiki page is empty and does not provide any information to users. 3. Many of the associated packages are not really maintained and in very bad shape. The recent slew of last rites shows that many of them were not touched by anyone in years. 4. The range of maintained packages is rather wide, and I seriously don't see how individual project members would be interested in maintaining all of them, especially considering all the competing alternatives. All this considered, I'd like to ask net-mail members to consider disbanding the project and taking over the packages they really care about, and asking for new maintainers for the rest of them. I'd like to hear opinion from all project members.
+1 from me. net-mail never made the formal transition to being a project. It was labelled as such due to automatic conversion. I think I argued this many many years ago, that some other label was needed to group packages together for maintenance that was not a project. As a special case, many of the packages under the aegis of net-mail are considered feature-complete by their respective upstream developers, and receive minimal upstream input, minimal maintenance only.
No objections to disbanding net-mail. Agree with the points above basically.
Go ahead with disbanding.
Ok. Would you like to take some of the current packages before they hit m-needed, or should I move them all through 'up for grabs' thing?
I gonna take this one: mail-mta/msmtp
(In reply to Michał Górny from comment #4) > Ok. Would you like to take some of the current packages before they hit > m-needed, or should I move them all through 'up for grabs' thing? As there are many important packages in net-mail/, we should carefully have a look which prpoject member would/could cake care of which package in the future before making them m-needed and by that propably making a mess ;) Generally I agree to disband...
The bug has been referenced in the following commit(s): https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=d2cbb9fea6dccc745744f5b9aca1ef632657a1d0 commit d2cbb9fea6dccc745744f5b9aca1ef632657a1d0 Author: Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> AuthorDate: 2019-03-26 19:59:49 +0000 Commit: Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> CommitDate: 2019-03-26 19:59:49 +0000 */*: Remove net-mail@ from maintainers Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/681680 Signed-off-by: Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> app-antivirus/clamav/metadata.xml | 4 ---- app-arch/freeze/metadata.xml | 4 ---- app-emacs/wanderlust/metadata.xml | 4 ---- app-misc/abook/metadata.xml | 5 +---- app-misc/mime-types/metadata.xml | 4 ---- app-shells/smrsh/metadata.xml | 5 +---- dev-libs/cyrus-sasl/metadata.xml | 5 +---- dev-perl/File-Scan-ClamAV/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/alpine/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-client/biabam/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/claws-mail/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-client/clawsker/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/cone/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/etpan-ng/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/hap/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/mailx-support/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/mailx/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/mutt/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-client/nail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/nmh/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/pinepgp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-client/sylpheed/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/amavisd-milter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/amavisd-new/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/anubis/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/ask/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/bmf/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/clamassassin/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/clamsmtp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/couriersrs/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/dcc/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/disspam/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/dspam/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/exim-geoip/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/exim-p0f/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/gld/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/imapfilter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/libmilter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/libspf2/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/libsrs2/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/libsrs_alt/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/maildrop/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/mailfilter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/mapson/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/milter-regex/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/mimedefang/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/normalizemime/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/opendkim/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/opendmarc/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/policyd-weight/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/policyd/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/postgrey/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/procmail-lib/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/procmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/razor/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/rblcheck/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/sid-milter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/spamass-milter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/spamassassin-botnet/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-filter/spamdyke/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/spampd/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/spamprobe/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/sqlgrey/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/tmda/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-filter/zdkimfilter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/courier/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-mta/esmtp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/exim/metadata.xml | 4 ---- mail-mta/mini-qmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/msmtp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/netqmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/nullmailer/metadata.xml | 6 +----- mail-mta/postfix/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/qmail-ldap/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/qpsmtpd/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/sendmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- mail-mta/ssmtp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- media-libs/compface/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-analyzer/postal/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-libs/c-client/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-libs/courier-authlib/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-libs/courier-unicode/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-libs/libesmtp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-libs/libetpan/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-libs/libgsasl/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-libs/liblockfile/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-libs/libntlm/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/altermime/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/archivemail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/asmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/autorespond/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/bincimap/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/checkpassword-pam/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/checkpassword/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/cmd5checkpw/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/courierpassd/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/cyrus-imapd/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/dbmail/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/dot-forward/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/dovecot/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/email/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/eps/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/ezmlm-idx/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/fastforward/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/fetchmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/gensig/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/getmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/gnubiff/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/grepmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/hotwayd/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/imapsync/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/isync/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/kuvert/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/lbdb/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mailbase/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/maildirtree/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mailfront/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mailgraph/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mailman/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/mailsync/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mailutils/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mairix/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mboxgrep/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mess822/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/metamail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mhonarc/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mlmmj/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mpack/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mpop/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mswatch/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/mu/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/nmzmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/offlineimap/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/peephole/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/pflogsumm/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/pfqueue/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/pop-before-smtp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/pop2imap/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/popa3d/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/popick/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/poppassd_ceti/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/qlogtools/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/qmail-autoresponder/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/qmail-lint/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/qmail-notify/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/qmail-qfilter/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/qmail-qsanity/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/qmailadmin/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/qmailanalog/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/qmhandle/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/qpopper/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/qprint/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/qtools/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/queue-fix/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/queue-repair/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/randomsig/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/relay-ctrl/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/ripmime/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/ripole/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/rss2email/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/safecat/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/serialmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/signify/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/smtptools/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/spamcup/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/swaks/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/t-prot/metadata.xml | 4 ---- net-mail/tnef/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/tpop3d/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/up-imapproxy/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/uw-imap/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/uw-mailutils/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/vchkuser/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/vpopmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-mail/yosucker/metadata.xml | 5 +---- net-misc/gsasl/metadata.xml | 5 +---- sys-apps/ucspi-tcp/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/checkpassword/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/gsasl/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/imap-c-client/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/mailx/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/mda/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/mta/metadata.xml | 5 +---- virtual/qmail/metadata.xml | 5 +---- x11-themes/claws-mail-themes/metadata.xml | 4 ---- 185 files changed, 143 insertions(+), 741 deletions(-)
Ok, for a start I've updated metadata.xml files, reassigned bugs and sent 'up for grabs' with all the packages that don't have explicit maints so far. I don't think we need to hurry with removing the project's assets, so I've CC-ed net-mail@ to all the reassigned bugs to make them easier to find. Please let me know when you believe you've found all the packages you believe worth taking over, and I'll finish removing the project then.
*** Bug 627636 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Finally removed.
