i just wanted to point out that sysklogd is installed in the default system, this isn't the behavior in gentoo x86. it also causes a problem when you unmerge it and install a different logger, like syslog-ng. emerge -u world will re-install sysklogd and produce error messages about having two loggers. i solved the problem by removing the * in /etc/make.profile/packages from the sys-apps/sysklogd line. -js