Bugzilla Bug 69098

I think that the Gnome Nautilus menu links that are created upon installation
of Gnome should not be started with the desktop enabled.  It seems like most
people starting nautilus from the menu will have their desktop (if one is
running) started elsewhere; the menu seems an ineffective place to do so. 
Also, it overrides the currently-running desktop, nullifying its convenience in
the menu for those who don't want to be running its desktop.

My suggestion: It can be invoked without the desktop using `nautilus
--no-desktop`.

i'm not really sure what you mean ?

You mean the nautilus .desktop should have the '--no-desktop' option enabled by default ?

If so, I guess to common case where nautilus is used is in gnome with the desktop enabled. This is not unimportant for the gnome default look, i don't think it would be wise to change that, although i can see your case for non-gnome or non nautilus-for-desktop nautilus users (but i bet they are a minority).

I mean that, for me using Xfce, when I click on the Gentoo system menu entry
"Accessories | Computer" or "Home Folder" (which open Nautilus), my
desktop--xfdesktop--is killed and nautilus takes over.  I don't want this.

I understand what you mean about Gnome users, but as I was trying to imply in
my bug report, they already have their desktop loaded elsewhere.  I'm only
talking about the menu entry, ala GLEP 16.  If a Gnome user launched `nautilus
--no-desktop`, their Nautilus desktop would not be exited.  That way, the menu
entry would simply have no effect on the desktop, which seems to be the way
that the menu entry would be most often used.

well.. im not sure that is true, a clean gnome install may depend on the fact
that it is run without the '--no-desktop' option. I have no idea.

shouldn't the change be made to this gentoo system menu that you are using(I
don't really know anything about it). Gnome users don't have the desktop loaded
elsewhere, it is drawn when gnome-session starts nautilus. If 'nautilus' ran
with the --no-desktop option as default, how would one ever have nautilus draw
the desktop? There is no --with-desktop option.

Obviously.  My initial bug report stated that the menu links should change, not
nautilus' run behaviour; this was the best I could do to bring that up.

I realised a few things about how this all works, which mostly means that now I
know what foser meant in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69098#c1.  Yes,
I'm suggesting that the .desktop files be changed to add the --no-desktop flag
(they're in /usr/share/applications).  In fact, nautilus.desktop does that
already.

I don't really see the problem with just changing the .desktop files; as
reported here, gnome-session starts nautilus' desktop, so this would be the
preferred method for Gnome users and non-Gnome users alike.  Plus, for Gnome
users, it would start faster. :-)

So can this be fixed?  I'm not attaching new .desktop files because they look
like they're created on-the-fly (with translations and such).  But I will if
someone wants me to.

Seems reasonable, Andrew, any chance of a patch/patches?

I'm actually not on Gentoo anymore.  But I mentioned that it seems that 
the .desktop files are created on-the-fly with translations; would a patch even 
work?

Lets hope for 2.14 inclusion.

In portage with nautilus-2.14.