Bugzilla Bug 6215

A circuit schematic capture tool and simulation environment. Log is a large
circuit editing and simulation system. It has facilities for digital simulation
(the original LOG), analog simulation (AnaLOG), network generation (LOGNTK), and
plotting (LPLOT). Log is the most popular Chipmunk tool. This package contains
analog, diglog and loged.

Log needs the p-system emulation runtime libraries for Chipmunk tools to work,
which is included in the psys ebuild.

Created an attachment (id=2923) [details]
psys-1.56.ebuild (New Package)

Created an attachment (id=2924) [details]
Patch for psys

Created an attachment (id=2925) [details]
log-5.60.ebuild (New Package)

suggest putting in app-sci

Created an attachment (id=2926) [details]
Patch for log

Created an attachment (id=2931) [details]
New patch for log which won't conflict with app-admin/analog

Created an attachment (id=2932) [details]
chipmunk-log-5.60.ebuild (now stop complaining :P )

Never mind, the gentoo developers being so infinitely stuck-up, you are hereby
NOT granted to submit these to portage.

Have a miserable life.

Hi Marius

Thank you very much for such a carying attitude!

Please understand that gentoo developers *do* have quite a high load. I
personally have 36 open bugs at the moment, approx half of which are new
submissions and ~ half of the rest are the "real" bugs that require immediate
attention (and thus have higher priority) and some of them require quite a bit
of work. You should also undertand that there is sufficient amount of work
invloved in the processing of a new submission: it has to be checked to comply
with our (getting strictier every day) requirements and missing/misformed fields
filled. It should be test-built on a few archs. Not all new submissions are
flawless and some of them require some work to be repaired (I am not talking
about your submission here - sincerely I just did not have time to get to it yet).
   Thus I you should be aware that to expect a few-hour processing of a new
submission is quite unrealistic, especially considering that none of us are
getting paid for doing this and majority of devs have a day jobs. Besides I was
assigned to this bug just a few days ago while I was in San Francisco
representing Gentoo on LinuxWorld Expo (on my own time and expenses). 

  Now back to your submission. 
Thank you for doing it, we appreciate your effort and time you spent producing
the ebuild (I am serious about this, and I can see that this has been some piece
of work). Unfortunately because you have closed this bug and because of such
reaction I guess I will have to put lower priority on this submission. I am
still going to process it, unless you absolutely do not want me to. However
please be advised that nobody can stop any dev or other user from creating
similar ebuild (or even using this one, since it it GPL). This is not to say
that I am going to do it just because I am taking this personal or anything. In
fact this would be less work for me as I have plenty of other things to keep me
busy. I just wanted to mention that it is not uncommon for the same package to
get submitted by different people. Also I am *not* going to drop your name from
the ChangeLog if I process this ebuild eventually, so you *will* get the due
credit. Please just give us some time.

George

George, it was not meant personally against you.  

My reaction was against Seemant Kulleen and Colin Morey, behaving way too
conceited for my linking, on IRC.  

I already have been diagnosed with schizophrenia; there's only so much I can
give, and being treated in such a manner is _not_ what I concider inspiring.

I had spent a considerable amount of time creating a kernel module that could
replace the sandbox and thus make problems with programs segfaulting after being
made with libsandbox.so preloaded disappear.  I then had the obvious question;
how exactly should I proceed making an ebuild that would allow people to test
it?  - it would indeed be a bit hairy.

Of course, once I re-attached my irc session, irssi was fubared, so I had to
reconnect.  Upon letting GenBot tell #-dev that I would like to be voiced again,
they said "abusing GenBot isn't nice", etc, and blatantly ignored my privmsgs to
them.

I am _NOT_ contributing to _any_ projects where people having such attitudes are
given _any_ major responsibilities.  At least not as long as they are able to
show it.

Bug again resolved to INVALID.  Not to be reopened unless the two people in
question are "fired" or no longer allowed to express themselves in public gentoo
irc channels.

Marius,

Thanks for you work, however there are a few things I should point out to you. 
First, voice in a -dev channel is _privelege_ not a right.  Second, you asked me
for it in private, and I would have given it in due course, but your pestering
and tricks with the bot simply got irritating.  Finally, the parting message you
insisted on telling us through genbot _after_ we asked you nicely to stop doing
that was not exactly the nicest comment to make.

If you wish to talk this out nicely live we can do so.

> First, voice in a -dev channel is _privelege_ not a right.

A privilege you know very well that I have earned.  But again, you show
that elitism is more important than trying to create a culture motivating 
free software development.


> Second, you asked me for it in private, and I would have given it in due
> course

but of course you would.  Yeah.  Naturally.  You don't inhale, either.


> but your pestering and tricks with the bot simply got irritating.

BULLPARADE ON SHIT!  There's hardly any gentler, nicer, less intrusive way 
of doing it.  Do you even know what 'pestering' means?  With a few recursions,
it means "to annoy continually, using irritating means of little or no
importance or significance".  So I'm of little importance?  There's that
elitism of yours again. 


> Finally, the parting message you insisted on telling us through genbot 
> _after_ we asked you nicely to stop doing 

The parting message I insisted on telling you through genbot _after_ I asked
you nicely for a voice for some time, you mean.


> that was not exactly the nicest comment to make.

I believe that would be "conceited is having an excessively high opinion of 
oneself.  Makes people stop contributing.  see also stuck-up.".

That's not a nasty comment.  That's a fact.  You should really try to
understand what it means, rather than whine about people not being nice
when you're told you've fscked up.

Now, unless you're going to say something resembling a result of a sober
thought, please stop *pestering* me through my inbox.