Received request in #gentoo-devrel to moderate wltjr on gentoo-nfp list. Reproducible: Always
Infra, please process. gentoo-nfp moderators should be: neddyseagoon, fmccor, tsunam, musikc, calchan, fox2mike moderation period: 24 hours
implemented.
What a total joke. Reporter is not even objective enough to allow a third party to make the decision.
The original reporter wasn't devrel lead. And the original reporter isn't one of moderators. So, I'm sorry William but it was very objective process.
Meh the reporter is part of devrel and the matter. On the same day another member/trustee resigns from devrel. I wonder if that factored into their resignation. Really I don't care much this is getting way to childish and petty for me. Chrissy was already a factor in me resigning from the trustees. Which I might just resign from Gentoo entire to avoid her. What a total joke she is. However anyone wants to justify it. Completely unprofessional. By the way what section of the CoC did I even violate? Shouldn't that be pointed out? Or just accusations enough to enforce. Nice way to handle things. Either way, I went one step further. To confirm you want the address wltjr@gentoo.org removed from this list, please send a reply to gentoo-nfp+confunsub-61a2e8ab3e6d76bd-wltjr=gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org So not only have I resigned from trustees, but now will have nothing to do with the foundation at all. I hope everyone is happy and goal has been accomplished. Foundation still has no bank account and ton of other things it lacks. I sure hope Chrissy or another participating in the matter, from devrel or infra. Steps up to fill the void now created.
(In reply to comment #5) > Meh the reporter is part of devrel and the matter. [02. 09. 2008 19:28] <antarus> devrel ping [02. 09. 2008 19:29] <musikc> pong [02. 09. 2008 19:30] <antarus> can we get wljtr moderated on nfp? [02. 09. 2008 19:30] <musikc> oO [02. 09. 2008 19:30] <musikc> query please?
Created attachment 164422 [details] wltjr moderation request For any interested parties, I did not generate the request and the request was also approved by a trustee/Foundation President. See attached.
Thanks would have been nice to get facts on this upfront. No point in hiding. Plus it's nice to know that all it takes is one person to comment. I had users emailing me with comments. Guess those don't matter either :) Plus antarus has in the past gotten in the way. Rejecting suggestions made long ago to -nfp, then to revert his stance on them later. So rather interesting that the request for moderation came from him. How much more can we hold back progress with internal bs because of a few. Not even 1% of foundation members or devs. Either way I am over it and done. Foundation can go back to being neglected just as before for all I care. Next will be me leaving as a dev. Notice how the Java Team hasn't been meeting lately. Less organization and focus there. Only more to come. While Fedora, Debian, SuSe, etc are all shipping and providing FOSS Java. Gentoo is well um Gentoo... Oh and I see infra has some hardware issues. I hope we don't need hardware. If we do I hope they accept PayPal. If we can still use that because we don't have a bank account. Although all due diligence there was done going on a month ago.
Good luck and thanks for all the hard work you've put into Gentoo. I wish the style of you leaving was a bit better, but well, you can't have everything you want. Do you want Undertakers to process your retirement basing on comments in this bug or wait till you say bye on -core, -dev or -nfp? I'm fine with waiting for the latter.
(In reply to comment #9) > Good luck and thanks for all the hard work you've put into Gentoo. You don't thank someone by driving them away. Or constantly spitting in their face while they are trying to do work for others. > I wish the style of you leaving was a bit better, but well, you can't have > everything you want. If you mean me resigning from the foundation, that was due to a lack of goals being achieved and progress being made. > Do you want Undertakers to process your retirement basing on comments in this > bug or wait till you say bye on -core, -dev or -nfp? I'm fine with waiting for > the latter. Where did I say I was retiring? I was saying next as in if I get pushed to that point as well. Which if you want to encourage that, i will happily send in a formal retirement. I can maintain things I need locally. Just others will not benefit. Which is ok, gentoo is over staffed as is. I would not put words in someones mouth or assume things for them. If I was retiring I would flat out say that. Just like I did when I resigned from being a trustee. I would not have it buried in a stupid bug. Which this CoC enforcement was really easy to circumvent. So the point of all of this is? Oh right wasting each others time like we do in Gentoo. And to think I just contacted the FreeBSD Foundation to establish a mutually beneficial relationship there. Much less all that was to come, no won't. Can't wait to see who fills the void. Guess everything that transpired in January wasn't enough.
I'm not driving you out. I've just read your own comment: "Either way I am over it and done. Foundation can go back to being neglected just as before for all I care. Next will be me leaving as a dev."
(In reply to comment #11) > I'm not driving you out. I've just read your own comment: > > "Either way I am over it and done. Foundation can go back to being neglected > just as before for all I care. Next will be me leaving as a dev." As in I have been pushed the point of resigning from foundation and not caring. Next point would be me leaving as a dev. Implying keep pushing, and that will be my next step. I can't back away from the BS any further can I? I resigned as a trustee because of the bs, then get pushed further as foundation member. What next?
(In reply to comment #12) > I resigned as a trustee because of the bs, then get pushed further as > foundation member. What next? Based on your own lack of commitment to both the foundation and to the java team that you were originally recruited for. What remains for you here? You clearly are unpleased with the rest of us. I'm sorry you feel that way. But if you are going to run around for the next few months spewing nothing but venom and shit out of your mouth while being aggressive towards others via this online medium. Then I'm going to have to kindly suggest that you consider stepping down form all gentoo roles... Man UP or get out plz.
(In reply to comment #13) > (In reply to comment #12) > > I resigned as a trustee because of the bs, then get pushed further as > > foundation member. What next? > Based on your own lack of commitment to both the foundation and to the java > team that you were originally recruited for. What remains for you here? You > clearly are unpleased with the rest of us. I'm sorry you feel that way. But if > you are going to run around for the next few months spewing nothing but venom > and shit out of your mouth while being aggressive towards others via this > online medium. Then I'm going to have to kindly suggest that you consider > stepping down form all gentoo roles... Man UP or get out plz. "Being judgmental, mean-spirited or insulting. It is possible to respectfully challenge someone in a way that empowers without being judgemental."
I am missing the reason why wltjr was moderated for 24h on gentoo-nfp. Is devrel taking any further action against wltjr?
(In reply to comment #15) > I am missing the reason why wltjr was moderated for 24h on gentoo-nfp. > Is devrel taking any further action against wltjr? > See the entirety of the thread: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/msg_724c51f9c834acc2b19aa8292d56ea2a.xml I agree I should probably have sent a warning email first; but I felt his were spiraling out of control and moderation could possibly help with that. -Alec
(In reply to comment #16) > > I agree I should probably have sent a warning email first; If anything at all > but I felt his were spiraling out of control and moderation could possibly help with that. I am not sure how. I had stopped responding. Left the office for several hours for a meeting. Was not planning on responding when I returned and came across a moderation bug. Which basically made a bad situation that much worse. Just further justification why I should not waste my time contributing to a foundation. When people totally over react and turn around and thank you for your time and effort. With moderation, followed by insults, etc. All to someone who has been the most active wrt to the foundation over the last year. Much less getting the most done as a trustee. Great way to foster and build community. Or encourage those sacrificing their time for others to continue doing just that. Plus there is so much other major stuff, bank account, cpa, tax filings, accountability for donations, donor roster, member roster, terms of use for G logo, terms of usage of gentoo goods for sale by third parties, etc The list goes on and on. Much less recent effort to work with the FreeBSD foundation. Which I know no other trustee has bothered to keep that bridge alive since I established it. So good job all. I sure hope all those casting stones are prepared to do the work themselves. While stones are being cast at them. Or we will just return to where we were last year. No one carrying, no one doing anything. That was much better.
(In reply to comment #13) > (In reply to comment #12) > > > I resigned as a trustee because of the bs, then get pushed further as > > foundation member. What next? > > Based on your own lack of commitment to both the foundation and to the java > team that you were originally recruited for. What remains for you here? > Huh? How are you judging his commitment to the Java team?
> > Based on your own lack of commitment to both the foundation and to the java > > team that you were originally recruited for. What remains for you here? > > Huh? How are you judging his commitment to the Java team? I *suspect* he was referring to this comment in the thread regarding Java: "Both Java and amd64 suffered from my time loss to the trustees/foundation."
I've talked to everybody in private regarding this matter. While my comment in this ticket is rather blunt. It is intended solely to motivate wltjr to focus on Java. I think he understands this and will attempt this. I wish him the best of luck.
Thank you solar for the clarification which he also made in private to me. After understanding the context, his comments read allot better the second time around :) However looks like I am now facing suspension :( Just like the warning and mediation that did not take place. No formal warning or notification is being presented to me on an upcoming suspension. Seems unless I apologize against my will, I will be suspended. Since I went around moderation with a single post. Even though proper steps for moderation like warning and mediation did not take place. Much less that I was done posting. Or that person requesting moderation has already admitted they should have contacted me or done something other than request moderation right away. Once suspended I will very likely retire vs appeal the suspension to council. I have been trying to let this go. But others really want to enforce the CoC. So on it goes.
infra doesn't need to be on here any longer.
A warning was given: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/msg_719a7281c357a6f1e5f15dea219ccb03.xml "And like every other person (developer, user, etc) you too are bound to CoC so speak your mind clearly while adhering to the same principles that others do. If fuzzy, please review: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml#doc_chap3"
