89956 2005-04-21 12:13 0000 cups + samba + vmware causing endless loop in init scripts 2007-11-09 10:22:16 0000 1 1 1 Unclassified Gentoo Linux Printing unspecified All Linux RESOLVED FIXED Bug P2 normal --- 23971 1 Steve@genyinfo.com printing@gentoo.org bigfish@asmallpond.org bluebird@gentoo.org csa@dside.dyndns.org daniel@acceleration.net gentoo.20.calle2003@spamgourmet.com gpawelczak@gmail.com gurligebis@gentoo.org jakub@gentoo.org jfmc2@coasin.com.mx jurek@gentoo.org ladanyi@tmit.bme.hu m.debruijne@matrict.nl mieszcz@zabrze.zigzag.pl obsidianx@gmail.com rdavis@unico.com rossi.f@inwind.it samba@gentoo.org siryes@gmail.com thomasvk@gmail.com uberlord@gentoo.org vmware@gentoo.org web.alexander@web.de Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-04-21 12:14:29 0000 this bugs is some kind of replicate of bug #15492 We need to restart samba deamon to have printer sharing activated. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Have CUPS and samba for restart with default config from example 2. add samba and cups to default runlevels 3. reboot 4. try access printer after reboot. Actual Results: the printer are not listed Expected Results: The printer should work normaly if we look at the service startup, cups is started right after samba so samba dont load the printer on startup. lanius@gentoo.org 2005-04-23 03:08:03 0000 added use samba to cupsd init file azarah@gentoo.org 2005-04-26 03:44:42 0000 Ok, but now samba also still 'use cups', and you get: ---- * Caching service dependencies ... * Services 'samba' and 'cupsd' have circular * dependency of type 'iuse'; continuing... lanius@gentoo.org 2005-04-26 04:03:13 0000 samba herd: please remove use cups from samba-init satya@gentoo.org 2005-04-27 06:29:36 0000 'use cupsd' removed gurligebis@gentoo.org 2005-04-28 07:30:43 0000 Doesn't this make samba start BEFORE cups? maybe it's just me, but cups should be running first, so samba can ask it for it's printers, or am i wrong? lanius@gentoo.org 2005-04-28 07:39:50 0000 sorry, you are completly right, reverted the changes this bug has to be in baselayout then gurligebis@gentoo.org 2005-04-28 07:42:06 0000 ahh, thought so, didn't make much sense :) satya@gentoo.org 2005-04-28 07:46:53 0000 You're right 8-/ ... lanius@gentoo.org 2005-05-10 08:49:34 0000 initial reporter: does your problem persist? Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-10 10:15:49 0000 Yes the bugs still happen. I've played around the use flags to try solve the problem but with no success. But then, i could try to get it work if i know where to look. Do you have some advice, or some place i should look for. lanius@gentoo.org 2005-05-10 10:23:13 0000 try to change "use cups" to "after cups" in the samba init file Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-12 08:04:49 0000 I've tryed with 2 alternative for it. before cups and before cupsd nothing has change with these modification. But i've notice that Vmware sevice load bettween those 2 maybe this bug comming from a dependency in the vmware 4.5 suite ? I'll investigate on this case later. Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-12 08:06:11 0000 forget to tell i've also tryed the after cups and after cupsd thing :p Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-12 10:00:45 0000 I've checked up the init script of cups and in the depends functions there is a use vmware. Why does cups need to use vmware, it should be vmware that use cups. I'll change the init script to add the depends in vmware and remove it from cups. I'll give more detail twomorrow morning if it has worked. Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-13 06:06:47 0000 Ok now everything is working just fine. Please remove the dependency to vmware in cups and add it to vmware. I'll leave the bug open for you all to see it and it solution. lanius@gentoo.org 2005-05-14 07:20:57 0000 no, cups needs to be started before vmware, take a look at bug #23971. what if you change use vmware to after vmware? Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-16 08:08:07 0000 Well cups was started after vmware before. When i've change the dependency of cups to vmware and vmware to cups everything worked fine and cups was started way before samba or vmware had the chance to start ( Cups even started before dbus and HAL ). I've checked the bugs #23971 about cups not starting because of vmnet not being there. I can say i dont have this problem with my installation of vmware. I'll investigate about this problem and bugs and post my solution. Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-05-17 14:08:07 0000 Ok now the main problem is we have a big cyclique dependency problem that affect samba print with cups. And Vmware is causing all these problem. So if i explain myself we have samba, vmware and cupsd starting in that order. The reason why is that vmware need samba to startup the samba share into vmware. Cupsd need to be started after vmware because cups may be binded to a vmware network interface. And to finish we need cupsd started before samba to have it printer readed by the samba daemon. The only solution i can think of is reloading samba right after cupsd is started if and only if samba is already started. peter@devrijer.net 2005-06-16 15:29:39 0000 Just learned about this problem the hard way. Couldn't print from windows host, which I could yesterday (boot in between). I added /etc/init.d/samba restart to /etc/conf.d/local.start And since the local initscript is executed last ;-) But solving this in the initscripts themselves would be appreciated! Steve@genyinfo.com 2005-06-17 08:45:34 0000 what i have done is remove the cups depedencies to vmware since my cups configuration is not bind to vmware virtual network interface. Then everything work fine. In the ideal world would be that cups retry to bind itself to the interface servral time after being started and give an error after a maximum of retry and have a bind to minimaly 127.0.0.1, not completly fails on startup and brings down the deamon that depends on it. cirix@fw.hu 2005-09-12 23:21:31 0000 The reason for this bug is the additional "after vmware" in /etc/init.d/cupsd. Vmware has "use samba", samba has "use cupsd" and cupsd has "after vmware", this way it is a round dependency. Removing "after vmware" from /etc/init.d/cupsd should solve the problem. And this is the logical way, because cupsd should be started first, needed by samba, and samba is needed by vmware to share files and printers with the host. genstef@gentoo.org 2006-01-14 12:17:05 0000 this bug cannot be fixed, because then #23971 would neeed to be reopened. If you can think of a solution, that takes both issues into account please tell me and reopen. genstef@gentoo.org 2006-01-14 15:21:25 0000 *** Bug 118270 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** jakub@gentoo.org 2006-01-15 04:27:51 0000 *** Bug 119065 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** jakub@gentoo.org 2006-01-15 04:36:07 0000 Well, causing lock up in init scripts and breaking boot process for users is the worst of available options, this is not acceptable, really. uberlord@gentoo.org 2006-01-15 08:23:42 0000 I'm amazed that no-one has thought of the obvious solution to the circular dependency which is to split vmware networking off into a separate init script (vmnet fex) or create it as a baselayout netscripts module. vapier@gentoo.org 2006-01-19 01:43:06 0000 *** Bug 119516 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** rdavis@unico.com 2006-01-19 16:56:15 0000 Argh! I have been having this problem (boot hanging) and finally found out it is something with cups/vmware/samba and finally found this bug. vapier@gentoo.org 2006-01-25 05:31:49 0000 *** Bug 120256 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** jakub@gentoo.org 2006-03-25 14:42:59 0000 *** Bug 127570 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** bigfish@asmallpond.org 2006-07-21 19:04:30 0000 This is still a problem. With parallel startup enabled, my system will hang because samba uses cups, which wants to start after vmware, which wants to start after samba. I fix this by commenting out the "after samba" in the vmware script. This really seems to be the most logical thing to do to me. In fact, some users may want samba to start *after* vmware, for the same reason as cups; to allow samba to bind only to the vmware interfaces. Is there some use case for the vmware _services_ needing samba to be running? I can see the need when I actually startup a virtual machine, but I don't see any value in requiring samba to be running for the vmware services. carlo@gentoo.org 2006-10-09 05:39:37 0000 *** Bug 150556 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** web.alexander@web.de 2006-10-09 06:09:34 0000 is it possible to split vmware: vmware-net that should be start before cups, and vmware-services that use samba? wolf31o2@gentoo.org 2006-10-09 07:04:45 0000 Ehh... sure. Feel free to attach a patch to do it and I'll commit it. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until I drum up some time to look into it more closely. The init script-fu for VMware kinda scares me. The biggest problem is that we're actually using VMware's init script with just a wrapper, instead of our own script. I've been planning on completely rewriting VMware's script as a Gentoo init script, but that's still a ways off. If someone wanted to do it for me and submit it to this bug, I'd be much appreciative. web.alexander@web.de 2006-10-09 08:12:20 0000 Created an attachment (id=99203) vmware net only with removed service stuff vmware net only with removed service stuff web.alexander@web.de 2006-10-09 08:17:12 0000 Created an attachment (id=99205) vmware services only with removed net stuff web.alexander@web.de 2006-10-09 08:24:46 0000 I have 2 patches, for /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware, but the original have VMWare Copyright. Your rewrite is welcome. I dont use samba on vmware. For me it is a cosmetical bug. sorry for broken english. web.alexander@web.de 2006-10-11 00:35:00 0000 Created an attachment (id=99347) Patches for splitting vmware Here is my full patchset for splitting by duplicate & remove-unneeded. services contains only dhcpd and samba litle more tested with vmware-player-1.0.1.19317-r4 #Installing-instructions: /etc/init.d/vmware stop cp /etc/init.d/vmware /etc/init.d/vmware.bak cp /etc/init.d/vmware /etc/init.d/vmware-services cp /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware-base cp /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware-services patch /etc/init.d/vmware init.d/vmware.diff patch /etc/init.d/vmware-services init.d/vmware-services.diff patch /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware-base mod/vmware-base.diff patch /etc/vmware/init.d/vmware-services mod/vmware-services.diff /etc/init.d/vmware-services start jakub@gentoo.org 2006-11-23 11:10:16 0000 *** Bug 156047 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** ikelos@gentoo.org 2006-11-23 11:43:34 0000 Guys, I hate to ask this so far down the line, but does vmware really require samba? As far as I was aware, vmware starts it's *own* samba server to support the "shared folders" feature, which may not even be required, and otherwise I'm not aware of any reason why the system samba needs to be started before vmware, or why there is any dependency between them at all. Could someone who has samba installed and uses vmware's shared folders feature please verify whether vmware actually needs the system samba service to be started to still function properly? Steve@genyinfo.com 2006-11-23 14:12:45 0000 The problem is not that vmware need samba to work but mostly samba need vmware Network interface for some case on user config placing restriction on the specific IP address. Sames goes with cups and other deamon that the user put a specific configuration on an IP address provided by VMWare modules. The provided solution is ideal cause it can overcome any kind of user config that we could came across. Regarding the the previous duplicate comment bugs, maybe juste the vmware init script is not updated ? bigfish@asmallpond.org 2006-11-23 20:42:44 0000 (In reply to comment #40) > Guys, I hate to ask this so far down the line, but does vmware really require > samba? That was my question in #31. I'm still not aware of any case where samba and/or cups need to be running before the vmware services start. I certainly need them to start before my actual virtual machine(s) startup, but that happens later. > Could someone who has samba installed and uses vmware's shared folders feature > please verify whether vmware actually needs the system samba service to be > started to still function properly? No, samba does not need to be running for shared folders to work. jfmc2@coasin.com.mx 2007-04-26 17:44:28 0000 Ok, the last comment was on 2006. I just emerged vmware-player and added vmware to default. And this is still happening. The loop is still there in the init scripts. any definitive solution? What I did was that I substituded after samba to after local. That gave a circular because local is supposed to start after *, but the machine started (grin). Ok, I know that was an ugly fix, but at least it works. Any approved fixes? thanks jurek@gentoo.org 2007-08-16 22:44:51 0000 It seems that I had to learn about this issue the hard way, too. Any progress? genstef@gentoo.org 2007-11-09 10:22:16 0000 removed after vmware from cups init scripts for now. 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