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    <bug>
          <bug_id>84708</bug_id>
          
          <creation_ts>2005-03-09 23:50 0000</creation_ts>
          <short_desc>mailman INSTALLDIR only partially supported</short_desc>
          <delta_ts>2007-09-14 00:33:51 0000</delta_ts>
          <reporter_accessible>1</reporter_accessible>
          <cclist_accessible>1</cclist_accessible>
          <classification_id>1</classification_id>
          <classification>Unclassified</classification>
          <product>Gentoo Linux</product>
          <component>Ebuilds</component>
          <version>2004.3</version>
          <rep_platform>All</rep_platform>
          <op_sys>All</op_sys>
          <bug_status>RESOLVED</bug_status>
          <resolution>FIXED</resolution>
          
          
          
          <priority>P1</priority>
          <bug_severity>major</bug_severity>
          <target_milestone>---</target_milestone>
          
          <blocked>106622</blocked>
          
          <everconfirmed>1</everconfirmed>
          <reporter>tpeland@tkukoulu.fi</reporter>
          <assigned_to>hanno@gentoo.org</assigned_to>
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          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>tpeland@tkukoulu.fi</who>
            <bug_when>2005-03-09 23:50:45 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>The INSTALLDIR setting in the beginning of mailman ebuild isn&apos;t really effective as some of the paths are hardcoded in the rest of the ebuild. This means that for example INSTALLDIR=/opt/mailman causes the local configuration to be overwriten  and some of the tools from contribute directory are not installed.

Actually distributions shouldn&apos;t use /usr/local. If I remember correctly LSB reserves that for local admin. Most of the other &quot;odd&quot; packages in gentoo use /opt instead. Examples: dev-java/blackdown-jdk, www-servers/tomcat</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>tpeland@tkukoulu.fi</who>
            <bug_when>2005-03-09 23:51:48 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Created an attachment (id=53054)
remove hardcoded paths in favor of INSTALLDIR
</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>langthang@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2005-03-10 10:08:12 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>I want to get rid of INSTALLDIR and default it to a permanent location, but it seems that noone agrees on one. Originallly (way before I&apos;ve touched mailman) it was in /var then moved to /home, bug #14974. Then after that it&apos;ve moved to /usr/local, bug # 21037. Personally I want to rework mailman, have it install in /var/lib/mailman and the web related files installed by webapp.eclass. I am short in time and not very good with webapp. Elfyn McBratney and I discuss about it a bit. Hopefully, he will have something very shortly.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>beu@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2005-03-10 15:20:01 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>I&apos;m on the net-mail@ alias so I&apos;ve dropped myself from the Cc, thanks for adding me though. :)

As Tuan noted, I&apos;m going to hammer something out soon to get the mailman package in portage webapp&apos;ised.  If the net-mail crew are okay with it, I&apos;ll also get my teeth into migrating mailman away from /usr/local, too - but that&apos;s a big job, so I&apos;d like it if those two tasks were separate. :p

I&apos;ll post a link when I have something more complete.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>matteo-ml@member.fsf.org</who>
            <bug_when>2005-04-22 15:37:49 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Some applications also needs the mailman binaries to be systemwide accessible (Savane comes to mind), expecially the &quot;newlist&quot; command to create new lists.

e.g. Savane uses an hardcoded path (probably because it&apos;s in use in Debian systems) like &quot;/usr/sbin/newlist&quot;. That makes sense, imho (to have binaries in /usr/sbin, I mean).</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>tkeitt@mail.utexas.edu</who>
            <bug_when>2005-05-01 11:51:28 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Package systems should not touch /usr/local at all (at least by default). Would be great to see this re-homed to /var/lib or other location.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>mholzer@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2005-07-07 03:58:28 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>*** Bug 97466 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>jakub@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2006-01-31 08:57:30 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>*** Bug 121064 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>jakub@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2006-02-08 05:18:26 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>*** Bug 122078 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>jakub@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2006-02-08 05:19:54 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>*** Bug 96015 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>hanno@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2006-03-22 04:35:31 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>I see that it would probably be better to make this use webapp-config, but as long as it doesn&apos;t, the attached patch looks sane to me (and I have similar changes done on my own system).

If nobody crys &quot;no&quot; within the next day, I&apos;ll go ahead and apply that changes to consistently use the INSTALLDIR var.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>hanno@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2006-05-08 05:31:25 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>applied</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>nbensa@gmail.com</who>
            <bug_when>2006-11-21 15:28:59 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Any news on this one? I mount /usr read-only so mailman as packaged by Gentoo is unusable for me.

Ubuntu on the other hand, puts mailman in 
/usr/lib/mailman 
/usr/lib/cgi-bin
/var/lib/mailman
/usr/sbin
...etc...

Attached the output of &quot;dpkg -L mailman&quot; in Ubuntu Edgy</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>nbensa@gmail.com</who>
            <bug_when>2006-11-21 15:29:53 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Created an attachment (id=102495)
Ubuntu&apos;s mailman...

</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>jakub@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-01-11 23:12:24 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>INSTALLDIR should *not* default to /usr/local, period. Also, there&apos;s no way to configure it without editing the ebuild, as it sets the value unconditionally, whether INSTALLDIR is defined or not by the user.

</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>hanno@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-09-13 21:57:29 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>We now have installation variables (MAILMAN_INSTALLDIR and MAILMAN_VAR_PREFIX) that can be used for customized install paths. Beside, we have more sane defaults (no more /usr/local).

WARNING: Your installation will not work if you update and don&apos;t move your lists around.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>nbensa@gmail.com</who>
            <bug_when>2007-09-14 00:33:51 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Can we have a little documentation about these variables? Besides, the ebuild 2.1.9-r1 has /usr/local hardcoded. Am I missing something?</thetext>
          </long_desc>
      
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