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    <bug>
          <bug_id>168573</bug_id>
          
          <creation_ts>2007-02-27 13:05 0000</creation_ts>
          <short_desc>Retire: Wulf C. Krueger (Philantrop)</short_desc>
          <delta_ts>2008-05-01 11:46:15 0000</delta_ts>
          <reporter_accessible>1</reporter_accessible>
          <cclist_accessible>1</cclist_accessible>
          <classification_id>1</classification_id>
          <classification>Unclassified</classification>
          <product>Developer Relations</product>
          <component>Default</component>
          <version>unspecified</version>
          <rep_platform>All</rep_platform>
          <op_sys>Linux</op_sys>
          <bug_status>RESOLVED</bug_status>
          <resolution>FIXED</resolution>
          
          <status_whiteboard>planet-retire: 2008-04-28</status_whiteboard>
          
          <priority>P2</priority>
          <bug_severity>normal</bug_severity>
          <target_milestone>---</target_milestone>
          
          
          
          <everconfirmed>1</everconfirmed>
          <reporter>genstef@gentoo.org</reporter>
          <assigned_to>retirement@gentoo.org</assigned_to>
          <cc>amd64@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>coldwind@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>fmccor@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>jkt@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>kde@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>levertond@googlemail.com</cc>
    
    <cc>pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es</cc>
    
    <cc>philantrop@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>ssuominen@gentoo.org</cc>
    
    <cc>wk@mailstation.de</cc>

      

      
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>genstef@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-02-27 13:05:58 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Wulf is going to help with kde herd development. He is already working on ebuilds for the upcoming kde4.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>phreak@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-03-03 13:55:40 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>I&apos;m going to take a look at his quizzes once he sent them.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>philantrop@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-03-03 20:16:50 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>I&apos;ve just emailed the quizzes. Thanks for your time, guys.

I&apos;d like to add to genstef&apos;s introduction that I&apos;d like to join the amd64 team as well as that&apos;s my primary (albeit not only) platform.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>betelgeuse@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-03-03 20:26:26 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #2)
&gt; I&apos;ve just emailed the quizzes. Thanks for your time, guys.
&gt; 
&gt; I&apos;d like to add to genstef&apos;s introduction that I&apos;d like to join the amd64 team
&gt; as well as that&apos;s my primary (albeit not only) platform.
&gt; 

That&apos;s for the amd64 team to decide but I don&apos;t see why not.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>betelgeuse@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-03-30 13:06:08 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>phreak: What&apos;s the status here? Philantrop sent his quizes a month ago.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>phreak@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-04-01 19:09:40 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>I&apos;m sorry, but I won&apos;t have time for you guys next week (that&apos;s April 2nd till 6th), I&apos;m pretty busy with work; I&apos;ll try to read my mails and look at my backlog from time to time.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>betelgeuse@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-04-07 23:32:09 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #5)
&gt; I&apos;m sorry, but I won&apos;t have time for you guys next week (that&apos;s April 2nd till
&gt; 6th), I&apos;m pretty busy with work; I&apos;ll try to read my mails and look at my
&gt; backlog from time to time.
&gt; 

I reviewed his quizes and was satisfied enough with his answers. I will set him up later when I have the time. Feel free to do it if you beat me to it :)</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>betelgeuse@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-04-09 13:48:11 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>These things setup:
LDAP
userinfo.xml
bugzilla
cvs/svn groups on cvs.gentoo.org
IRC-cloak
announcement
#gentoo-dev channel access

Still to do:
gentoo-core access (The mailing list manager does not let me in)

What you need to do:
- subscribe to mailing lists with @gentoo.org address
- request forum status bump from from amne or tomk (if you have a forums
  account)
- add yourself to mail aliases ( like java@gentoo.org )
  see /var/mail/alias on dev.gentoo.org
- ask team leads to add yourself to herds.xml for the herds you want to
  join or do it yourself if you have the permission to do so

</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>philantrop@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-04-09 20:42:19 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>- I&apos;ve received mail on -core so I&apos;m obviously subscribed.
- I&apos;m subscribed to -dev as philantrop@gentoo.org.
- Forums account has been updated.
- Got lots of spam on the kde-aliases so that works, too. ;-)
- Was asked to add myself to the kde herd in herds.xml and did that.

Everything seems to work just fine so far. Thank you!</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>betelgeuse@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2007-04-09 20:50:38 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #8)
&gt; - I&apos;ve received mail on -core so I&apos;m obviously subscribed.
&gt; - I&apos;m subscribed to -dev as philantrop@gentoo.org.
&gt; - Forums account has been updated.
&gt; - Got lots of spam on the kde-aliases so that works, too. ;-)
&gt; - Was asked to add myself to the kde herd in herds.xml and did that.
&gt; 
&gt; Everything seems to work just fine so far. Thank you!
&gt; 

Marking as FIXED.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>musikc@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 01:34:32 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Please proceed with retirement procedures, reference bug 216219, however use this bug for processing.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>pilla@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 01:59:00 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Forums fixed.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>rane@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 02:09:46 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>- Removed gentoo/developer cloak on freenode
- Removed #gentoo-dev access
- Reassigned all remaining bugs</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>kingtaco@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 02:13:03 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>dev/cvs/lists/ldap done</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>rane@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 02:21:04 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>- Removed from proj/ pages.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>musikc@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 02:31:21 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Created an attachment (id=151215)
Excerpts

</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>carlo@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 10:02:48 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Why is bug 216219 restricted even to developers!? I&apos;d really like to know what it is about.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>tgurr@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 11:25:48 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Please open bug #216219, or do we have to get our own? Taking away our KDE project lead over night is clearly not the way to go.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>ssuominen@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 14:15:22 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Wait, exactly what is going on here? I&apos;d say _don&apos;t_ retire Philantrop unless he wants to leave, of course. One of the biggest contributors ATM, and well appericiated among the community.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>rane@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 16:14:57 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>- removed from metadata.xml files
- removed from all herds</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>rane@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 16:44:45 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>- Planet done and retirement procedure completed.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>fmccor@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 19:36:29 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #15)
&gt; Created an attachment (id=151215) [edit]
&gt; Excerpts
&gt; 

Uh, that&apos;s the reason for retiring him without even giving notice?  That&apos;s a joke, right?</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>coldwind@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 19:55:08 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Ferris, it&apos;s not a joke, it&apos;s a measure for preventing Philantrop introducing malicous code in the tree or break it:

( 16:50       musikc ) i do agree that some information should have been shared but also feel that there were concerns for potential retaliation over the possibility of the action... if that makes sense

[...]

( 16:55         zlin ) musikc: what kind of retaliation?
( 16:58       musikc ) tree access i suppose
( 16:58      astinus ) pft.
( 16:59         zlin ) I don&apos;t follow
( 17:00      astinus ) zlin: People doing daft stuff in the tree like commit &quot;wars&quot; + EAPI-50 without prior discussion
( 17:02         zlin ) huh?
( 17:04      antarus ) while I don&apos;t think they would make malicious commits to the tree I can at least see where that fear comes from
( 17:04      antarus ) zlin: can you not?
( 17:05         zlin ) not at all
( 17:05         zlin ) they have never done any such thing
( 17:05      antarus ) ahh
( 17:05      antarus ) I know
( 17:05      antarus ) hence &apos;I don&apos;t think they would&apos;
( 17:05      antarus ) but I have been wrong before
( 17:06         zlin ) and even on the odd chance that they did it wouldn&apos;t really be hard to respond swiftly and correct it.. no huge deal.
( 17:06      astinus ) zlin: With even the slightest risk/hint anyone would do something malicious to the tree, access would be immediately yanked by Infra
( 17:06       musikc ) i dont believe that people want to be malicious, but when i have seen malicious behavior has been in situations such as this
( 17:06         zlin ) exactly. but there has been no such slightest risk/hint...
( 17:06       musikc ) i view it as preventative measures

[...]</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>fmccor@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 20:18:41 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>You&apos;ve completely lost me there.  You think Wulf would destroy the tree if we just processed the complaint (from wherever it comes) normally?  I guess I&apos;m not quite so suspicious of our fellow developers.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>rane@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-28 21:35:25 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>This is a resolved bug for recruitment and retirement procedures. Please continue your conversation elsewhere.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-29 00:54:50 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>Łukasz,

I can understand your comment, but since there&apos;s no open bug about a complaint against Wulf, I don&apos;t know where else I can post any comment about his forced retirement.

I just want to add a note that I had personally talked to Wulf about the issues that are listed in the excerpt and had told him imho he deserved a good &quot;clubbing on the head&quot;. I never thought it would get to this extreme.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>levertond@googlemail.com</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-29 11:39:47 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #22)
&gt; ( 16:50       musikc ) i do agree that some information should have been shared
&gt; but also feel that there were concerns for potential retaliation over the
&gt; possibility of the action... if that makes sense

If that really is the reason, and not just some lame excuse, then why not just suspend commit access?  There&apos;s absolutely no need for goiNG through with the full retirement procedure so quickly.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>fmccor@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-29 13:22:25 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #24)
&gt; This is a resolved bug for recruitment and retirement procedures. Please
&gt; continue your conversation elsewhere.
&gt; 

People --- even me --- comment on closed bugs all the time in order to keep a record of events and updates, and sometimes closed bugs (perhaps even this one) get reopened and then you need the complete history.  It&apos;s a real pain digging through emails and cross-referencing bugs and such.  Why make this comment on this bug now?  Where do you suggest for &quot;elsewhere&quot; --- gentoo-dev@ because the bug is public?</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>fmccor@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-29 13:25:19 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #22)
&gt; Ferris, it&apos;s not a joke, it&apos;s a measure for preventing Philantrop introducing
&gt; malicous code in the tree or break it:
&gt; 
&gt; ( 16:50       musikc ) i do agree that some information should have been shared
&gt; but also feel that there were concerns for potential retaliation over the
&gt; possibility of the action... if that makes sense
&gt;
Everything else deleted.

Where and when is that from?  It&apos;s not identified and there&apos;s no date.</thetext>
          </long_desc>
          <long_desc isprivate="0">
            <who>coldwind@gentoo.org</who>
            <bug_when>2008-04-29 15:34:54 0000</bug_when>
            <thetext>(In reply to comment #28)
&gt; 
&gt; Where and when is that from?  It&apos;s not identified and there&apos;s no date.
&gt; 

Yesterday on #-infra iirc. If that really matters, ask to any of the people who appears in the log ;-)</thetext>
          </long_desc>
      
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