[20:58:35] is it a right place to ask for help about more technicial issue? [20:59:44] *** Joins: buckmaster (~clergyman@0xbcb1966d.arcnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele .dk) [21:00:02] are they kde related? [21:00:16] yeah - it does not start up [21:00:25] and noone got idea what might be wrong [21:00:31] â #kde [21:02:18] it seems to be common problem, i have found already few th read over the net from different distributions [21:02:25] but no solution found so far [21:02:51] even threads on official kde forum are not helping [21:03:00] your problem statement is not helping either [21:03:08] "it doesn't start up" doesn't say much [21:03:23] either way the right place for that question is #kde [21:03:36] well i got this when starting from kdm: [21:03:37] klauncher(2434) kdemain: no Dbus session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server. [21:03:37] kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting! [21:03:44] *** Quits: pgega (~pgega@5adcda19.bb.sky.com) (Remote host closed the connection) [21:03:54] have you tried what it recommends? [21:03:59] and something similiar when starting via startx [21:04:03] of course [21:04:11] and is the D-Bus session daemon running? [21:04:13] *** Joins: wiglot (~wagner@201.41.61.244) [21:04:17] dbus starts with system, als otried restarting it [21:04:23] status shows its running [21:04:24] not the system bus [21:04:27] is the *session* bus running? [21:04:29] ps ax shows it running [21:04:39] does it have --system in the command-line? [21:05:13] yes, from what i remember [21:05:19] then it's the wrong bus [21:05:22] is the session bus running? [21:05:28] how do you start it? [21:05:33] how can i check that? [21:05:50] check your X initialisation scripts [21:05:56] find one that starts the session bus daemon [21:06:05] i have added dbus to runlevel [21:06:11] wrong [21:06:18] the X initialisation scripts. Find it. [21:06:24] runlevels are all about system-wide stuff [21:06:33] which distribution is that? [21:07:03] *** Quits: thomasj (~thomasj@unaffiliated/thomasj) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [21:07:10] but, when its already starting, it shows splash, icons ani mation and stucks... when i restart dbus daemon then kde starts and i can use it , but shows many errors like powerdevil couldnt start [21:07:15] its Gentoo [21:07:18] *** Quits: zarthon_ (~zarthon@117.211.88.42) (Ping timeout: 240 secon ds) [21:07:27] is dbus compiled with X11 support? [21:07:34] yes [21:07:34] *** Joins: hajma (~hajma@119.20.broadband6.iol.cz) [21:07:40] ihave dbus USE flag enabled globally [21:07:49] ldd dbus-launch. Is it linked to libX11? [21:07:53] *** Quits: areichman (~quassel@cpe-76-166-183-163.socal.res.rr.com) ( Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:07:57] *** Joins: kstar (~kstar@kde/developer/asimha) [21:08:27] let me check... ill boot into it and thanks in advance for help [21:08:28] brb [21:10:28] im back [21:11:13] yes its linked to that library [21:11:30] have you found the script that starts the session bus? [21:11:39] it's run by running dbus-launch [21:12:31] can you get me a ps axf of when the launch gets stuck? [21:12:33] *** Joins: apol (~apol@84.78.178.63) [21:12:56] yeah, sure [21:13:22] and the contents of .xsession-errors [21:14:20] http://wklej.org/id/522046/ [21:14:31] *** Joins: Pinaraf (~moi@ALille-551-1-39-92.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) [21:14:58] http://wklej.org/id/522049/ [21:15:00] ok, session daemon is running [21:15:43] in that file i also see errors regarding dbus [21:15:55] yes, it starts very early on [21:16:03] thiago_home: are those "No such signal" errors normal? :/ [21:16:23] no [21:16:40] but kded failed to start [21:16:59] *** Joins: thomasj (~thomasj@unaffiliated/thomasj) [21:17:06] NoReply to everything [21:17:10] sounds like a UID mismatch [21:17:19] can you get a ps auxf? [21:17:21] just heard sound from kde [21:17:32] *** Joins: jstaniek (~jarek@afbj77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) [21:17:32] switched to XOrg and seen black screen with mouse [21:17:39] *** Quits: renards (~fox@158.71.73-86.rev.gaoland.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:17:39] and policykit - kde crash windows [21:18:12] http://wklej.org/id/522052/ [21:18:38] *** Joins: zarthon_ (~zarthon@117.211.88.42) [21:18:57] weird... system bus is running on user '101'... no user n ame? [21:19:56] *** Quits: D2xSadEagle (~maksim@c-174-63-86-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:20:03] *** Joins: D2xSadEagle (~maksim@c-174-63-86-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) [21:20:05] but the daemon is running under the right user [21:20:20] the session one? yeah [21:20:48] *** Quits: saidinesh5 (~quassel@argon247.server4you.de) (Read error: Operation timed out) [21:20:52] *** Joins: saidinesh5 (~quassel@argon247.server4you.de) [21:21:05] but there's something wrong with D-Bus still [21:21:34] can you start a failsafe session with just an xterm? [21:22:05] *** Joins: zero_signal (~taj@kde/taj) [21:22:17] *** Quits: zero_signal (~taj@kde/taj) (Client Quit) [21:22:24] from kdm? [21:23:01] hmm switched to X11 and kde is running, but ittook so long to startup [21:23:07] will try with failsafe [21:23:53] with failsafe it returns back to kdm [21:24:09] i think i might be missing xterm and/or twm... [21:25:26] *** Quits: vbatts_other (~vbatts@2001:4858:aaaa:2::20) (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [21:25:33] *** Joins: vbatts_other (~vbatts@2001:4858:aaaa:2::20) [21:25:53] *** Joins: arieder (~arieder@web1.student.tuwien.ac.at) [21:26:23] xterm I gues [21:26:29] failsafe should start without a WM [21:26:33] *** Quits: aiaco (~aiaco@adsl-ull-74-62.42-151.net24.it) (Ping timeou t: 250 seconds) [21:27:07] im emerging xterm then [21:27:24] *** Joins: jaafar (~jet@adsl-76-200-167-100.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) [21:27:55] *** Joins: aiaco (~aiaco@adsl-ull-74-62.42-151.net24.it) [21:28:20] yeah [21:28:27] xterm started just fine [21:32:30] do you have any idea? [21:33:14] echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS [21:33:17] empty or a value? [21:33:27] from root or test user? [21:33:31] *** Quits: ahel (~ahel@net-93-144-33-54.cust.dsl.teletu.it) (Remote h ost closed the connection) [21:33:34] from inside that xterm [21:33:35] *** bcooksley-away is now known as bcooksley [21:34:19] *** Quits: saidinesh5 (~quassel@argon247.server4you.de) (Quit: No Pin g reply in 180 seconds.) [21:34:31] http://wklej.org/id/522063/ [21:34:34] *** Joins: saidinesh5 (~quassel@argon247.server4you.de) [21:34:47] just answer "empty" or "not empty" [21:34:53] not empty [21:34:56] ok [21:34:58] run qdbus [21:35:24] is the answer: a) a dump of some sorts; b) an immediate NoReply or c) a NoReply after 25 seconds? [21:35:28] or something else [21:36:16] its :1.0 org.freedesktop.DBus [21:36:26] ok, it's running normally then [21:36:40] run kded [21:36:42] any errors? [21:36:57] *** Joins: peppe (~peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) [21:36:59] hmmm [21:37:02] command not found ;) [21:37:07] kded4 [21:37:08] maybe kded4 [21:37:58] Connecting to deprecated signal (some string here) and kde d already running [21:38:30] qdbus again [21:38:34] do you see kded there? [21:38:37] *** Joins: wagner (~wagner@201.41.61.244) [21:38:46] *** Quits: wiglot (~wagner@201.41.61.244) (Read error: Connection res et by peer) [21:38:46] * PovAddict is almost expecting something bizarre to happen, like htt p://bash.org/?847733 [profanity warning] [21:39:20] *** Quits: Tectu (~tectu@48-88.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch) (Remote host clo sed the connection) [21:39:23] *** Joins: parapente (~nobody@athedsl-4452185.home.otenet.gr) [21:39:44] have not managed to run qdbus since kded4 showed error [21:39:52] i will write it here in a while [21:40:12] "Communication failed with kded, probably crashed" [21:40:19] ^Z [21:40:21] bg [21:41:15] no such job [21:41:27] *** Quits: ShishKabab (~vincent@195.191.202.173) (Read error: Connect ion reset by peer) [21:41:42] run qdbus now [21:41:42] *** Quits: miroslav (~miroslav@kde/mirko) (Quit: Leaving.) [21:41:44] are you back on the shell prompt? can you run qdbus now? [21:42:05] 3 positions... [21:42:12] including kded? [21:42:23] kded, klauncher & dbus [21:42:26] ok [21:42:32] so it looks like it's working [21:42:40] but its not :P [21:42:43] can you start kwrite? Does it come up quickly? [21:43:05] yes [21:43:12] came pretty quickly [21:44:18] ok, then it's working perfectly [21:45:23] hmm... [21:45:34] so why isnt whole kde running so smooth? [21:45:40] no idea [21:45:47] can you start konqueror and try browsing the web? [21:46:14] yes, w/o problems [21:46:18] *** Joins: jlayt (~jlayt@217.171.129.80) [21:46:29] so kio works too... hmm [21:47:16] *** Joins: grawcho (~quassel@bzq-84-109-142-101.red.bezeqint.net) [21:47:19] *** Joins: ivanich (~ivanich@ivanich.tenet.odessa.ua) [21:47:54] i told you noone knows what might be wrong :P [21:48:17] *** Joins: ereslibre (~rafael@77.228.62.99) [21:48:17] *** Quits: ereslibre (~rafael@77.228.62.99) (Changing host) [21:48:17] *** Joins: ereslibre (~rafael@kde/ereslibre) [21:48:27] and its fresh installation [21:48:41] i have emerged kde yesterday :] [21:49:21] please ask someone in #gentoo to give you the settings they use that work [21:49:25] there's something wrong in your build [21:49:38] *** Joins: etienne (~quassel@80-219-24-140.dclient.hispeed.ch) [21:49:58] *** Quits: zarthon_ (~zarthon@117.211.88.42) (Read error: Operation t imed out) [21:50:01] paths? starting scripts? anything else that should be take n look at? [21:50:28] the entire system [21:50:37] you're running a distribution that may be different in any aspect [21:50:46] it was your choice. Now check everything that can be di fferent. (...) [21:57:08] lol [21:57:31] i typed startkde in that xterm and it freezed on splash (4 of 5 icons showed) :P [21:58:22] and everything exists now with dbus connection error [21:58:36] exits* [22:00:14] thiago_home: what is ICE? [22:00:27] which context? [22:00:43] i pressed ctrl+c and it throwed this error: [22:00:53] *** Quits: lionel_ (~quassel@abo-65-195-68.ang.modulonet.fr) (Ping ti meout: 258 seconds) [22:00:54] Internal Compiler Error or X11 Inter-Client Exchange [22:01:01] probably the second in your case [22:01:14] ICE default IO error doing an exit() [22:01:48] errno = 11 (...) [22:08:16] i cant stand why kwrite starts but startkde doesnt [22:09:01] *** Quits: giucam (~giulio@151.65.54.198) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:09:05] run qdbus --system [22:10:13] a lot of things listed [22:10:21] *** Joins: CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) [22:10:29] but it happened immediately? [22:10:34] yeah [22:10:41] then I still don't know [22:11:10] i just cant stand why kwrite manages t ocontact with dbus, but startkde does not [22:11:24] run each command in startkde one by one [22:12:05] *** Joins: mollach (~davidr@92.4.43.112) [22:13:59] http://wklej.org/id/522084/ [22:14:03] thats the startkde [22:16:33] I know [22:16:37] now run each command, manually [22:16:54] *** Quits: ereslibre (~rafael@kde/ereslibre) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:17:01] *** Joins: cuco (~elcuco@109.64.4.71) [22:18:04] bash -x /foo/bar/startkde [22:18:19] no [22:18:21] manually [22:18:22] one by one [22:18:32] *** Joins: ereslibre (~rafael@kde/ereslibre) [22:18:38] -x helps too [22:18:41] *** Quits: Hutley (~quassel@195e.fct.unesp.br) (Remote host closed th e connection) [22:18:45] *** Quits: ereslibre (~rafael@kde/ereslibre) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:18:46] we'll know which command started giving trouble [22:18:53] *** Joins: daitheflu (~quassel@2a01:e35:8a48:1800:1e6f:65ff:fe52:dd3a ) [22:19:31] *** Quits: aseigo (~aseigo@j81233.upc-j.chello.nl) (Remote host close d the connection) [22:20:16] *** Joins: adwa (~adwa@c-68-50-196-107.hsd1.va.comcast.net) [22:20:46] gladiac: ping [22:20:59] i will give you output of bash -x startkde &> ~/LOG [22:22:31] http://wklej.org/id/522090/ [22:24:32] *** Quits: arpan (~quassel@59.95.214.53) (Quit: http://quassel-irc.or g - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [22:25:19] hmm... I saw something weird in one of your earlier pas tes [22:26:14] root 3047 0.0 0.0 3732 84 ? S 21: 13 0:00 /usr/lib64/kde4/libexec/start_kdeinit +kcminit_startup [22:26:20] *** Joins: fosterfeld (~fosterfel@port-83-236-241-42.static.qsc.de) [22:26:43] konqueror stopped to work - starting, but cant browse web pages - throwing kio errors [22:26:44] why is that running as root? [22:26:53] i got not idea [22:27:45] that sounds like the problem to me (...)